From kp at sdsonline.net Wed May 3 20:01:17 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:01:17 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] VB.net form title bar not visible Message-ID: <001801c66f16$402f1970$6601a8c0@office> (Cross posted to AccessD and Access D VB) I have a main menu with a menu strip item. What I want is when the user clicks on that menu item, the Main menu stays in the background (which it does) and FrmPricing opens maximised without the title bar. I have the following properties set for frmpricing: WindowState: maximised Maximise box: false Minimise box: false My code to open frmpricing from the mainmenu is as follows: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Private Sub mnuSecuritiesPricing_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As System.EventArgs) Handles mnuSecuritiesPricing.Click Dim ifrmPricing As New frmPricing ifrmPricing.MdiParent = Me ifrmPricing.Dock = DockStyle.Fill Me.MenuStrip1.Enabled = False ifrmPricing.Show() 'Dialog() End Sub -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kath Pelletti From kp at sdsonline.net Wed May 3 20:07:46 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:07:46 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] VB.net form title bar not visible Message-ID: <002801c66f17$2a47fe50$6601a8c0@office> Don't worry - got it - Frmborderstyle = none ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti From kp at sdsonline.net Thu May 4 00:22:17 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 15:22:17 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] Go to new record - vb.net Message-ID: <000d01c66f3a$b70b5f80$6601a8c0@office> (Cross posted vb list / access list) Does anyone know what code to use to move to a new record in a DataGridView control in vb.net? I have created a new menustripcontrol with an 'Add new record' button. When the user clicks it I want it to move to a new record in the grid. rgds ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti From kp at sdsonline.net Mon May 15 18:41:25 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 09:41:25 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? Message-ID: <00fd01c67879$1531a9b0$6601a8c0@office> Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. Ph: 9505-6714 Fax: 9505-6430 Email: KP at SDSOnline.net From ebarro at verizon.net Mon May 15 19:42:49 2006 From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 17:42:49 -0700 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? In-Reply-To: <00fd01c67879$1531a9b0$6601a8c0@office> Message-ID: <000001c67881$a8a35ab0$c767a8c0@amdgcda> VB to C# is not too much of a stretch but VBA to C# is a stretch. -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 4:41 PM To: AccessD VB List Subject: [dba-VB] C#? Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. Ph: 9505-6714 Fax: 9505-6430 Email: KP at SDSOnline.net _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 From kp at sdsonline.net Mon May 15 20:10:00 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:10:00 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? References: <000001c67881$a8a35ab0$c767a8c0@amdgcda> Message-ID: <002101c67885$74e472f0$6601a8c0@office> Hi Eric - yeah, I'm finding it a stretch to go from vba to vb.net. I will now be working with 2 others who have a preference for C#. Just wondering about diff. between leaping vba to vb.net as opposed to vba to C#. Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Barro To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? VB to C# is not too much of a stretch but VBA to C# is a stretch. -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 4:41 PM To: AccessD VB List Subject: [dba-VB] C#? Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. Ph: 9505-6714 Fax: 9505-6430 Email: KP at SDSOnline.net _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From michael at ddisolutions.com.au Mon May 15 20:11:49 2006 From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:11:49 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D0116A601@ddi-01.DDI.local> I agree. Doing very 'basic' code is ok. What I noticed the most is case sensitivity, curly brackets{}, enums as parameters (no list). The biggest problem in doing .net well is not the languages so much as learning the frameworks and coming to grips with designing in an OO way IMO. If you want to see whats involved in building a 'best practice' data layer without too much work (hehe) sign up for the 30 day trial of codesmith www.codesmithtools.com , then grab the www.nettiers.com NetTiers template and give it a run over a small database. I've been writing C# for a couple of weeks, I suspect that a C# guru would know immediately I came from a VB background ;-))) I know I will get there though, its not THAT hard, just different. I'm also trying to come to grips with the ArcView object model and believe me that is no fun at all...... cheers Michael M -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro Sent: Tuesday, 16 May 2006 10:43 AM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? VB to C# is not too much of a stretch but VBA to C# is a stretch. -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 4:41 PM To: AccessD VB List Subject: [dba-VB] C#? Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. Ph: 9505-6714 Fax: 9505-6430 Email: KP at SDSOnline.net _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ebarro at verizon.net Mon May 15 20:36:50 2006 From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 18:36:50 -0700 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? In-Reply-To: <002101c67885$74e472f0$6601a8c0@office> Message-ID: <000c01c67889$346eff20$c767a8c0@amdgcda> I migrated my vba skills from Access to classic ASP applications and at the same time got into VB6 application programming but never really learned OOP principles. Transitioning to VB.NET didn't help any to learn OOP principles since it was just easy to continue programming in the same mindset. I migrated to C# last year and could still make do with VB-style programming to a certain extent but eventually learned the OOP way of developing applications. Prior to learning vba though I had classic C experience (Turbo C by Borland) so I already had the concept of C programming down. The biggest learning curve will be migrating to OOP ways. -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 6:10 PM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? Hi Eric - yeah, I'm finding it a stretch to go from vba to vb.net. I will now be working with 2 others who have a preference for C#. Just wondering about diff. between leaping vba to vb.net as opposed to vba to C#. Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Barro To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? VB to C# is not too much of a stretch but VBA to C# is a stretch. -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 4:41 PM To: AccessD VB List Subject: [dba-VB] C#? Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. Ph: 9505-6714 Fax: 9505-6430 Email: KP at SDSOnline.net _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 From kp at sdsonline.net Mon May 15 21:31:04 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 12:31:04 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? References: <000c01c67889$346eff20$c767a8c0@amdgcda> Message-ID: <001a01c67890$c7ff2a10$6601a8c0@office> I know what you mean about the mindset. I was given a big project to do this year and I started off really just converting the way I code in vba to vb.net. But I had a big 'what am I doing?' moment about a month ago and have now hired someone to design the OO architecture and I have to learn his mindset. It's quite illuminating. I am in the throws of learning it all now - object factories and class code generators etc etc. But that feeling of being 'master of absolutely nothing' is truly bad when you have a commitment to the client and a deadline....aaargh. ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Barro To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? I migrated my vba skills from Access to classic ASP applications and at the same time got into VB6 application programming but never really learned OOP principles. Transitioning to VB.NET didn't help any to learn OOP principles since it was just easy to continue programming in the same mindset. I migrated to C# last year and could still make do with VB-style programming to a certain extent but eventually learned the OOP way of developing applications. Prior to learning vba though I had classic C experience (Turbo C by Borland) so I already had the concept of C programming down. The biggest learning curve will be migrating to OOP ways. -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 6:10 PM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? Hi Eric - yeah, I'm finding it a stretch to go from vba to vb.net. I will now be working with 2 others who have a preference for C#. Just wondering about diff. between leaping vba to vb.net as opposed to vba to C#. Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Barro To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? VB to C# is not too much of a stretch but VBA to C# is a stretch. -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 4:41 PM To: AccessD VB List Subject: [dba-VB] C#? Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. Ph: 9505-6714 Fax: 9505-6430 Email: KP at SDSOnline.net _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kp at sdsonline.net Mon May 15 21:34:20 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 12:34:20 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? References: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D0116A601@ddi-01.DDI.local> Message-ID: <002301c67891$3d44d4f0$6601a8c0@office> Thanks for the links Michael - I am looking now... ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Maddison To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? I agree. Doing very 'basic' code is ok. What I noticed the most is case sensitivity, curly brackets{}, enums as parameters (no list). The biggest problem in doing .net well is not the languages so much as learning the frameworks and coming to grips with designing in an OO way IMO. If you want to see whats involved in building a 'best practice' data layer without too much work (hehe) sign up for the 30 day trial of codesmith www.codesmithtools.com , then grab the www.nettiers.com NetTiers template and give it a run over a small database. I've been writing C# for a couple of weeks, I suspect that a C# guru would know immediately I came from a VB background ;-))) I know I will get there though, its not THAT hard, just different. I'm also trying to come to grips with the ArcView object model and believe me that is no fun at all...... cheers Michael M -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro Sent: Tuesday, 16 May 2006 10:43 AM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? VB to C# is not too much of a stretch but VBA to C# is a stretch. -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 4:41 PM To: AccessD VB List Subject: [dba-VB] C#? Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. Ph: 9505-6714 Fax: 9505-6430 Email: KP at SDSOnline.net _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From chizotz at mchsi.com Tue May 16 10:15:22 2006 From: chizotz at mchsi.com (Ron Allen) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 15:15:22 +0000 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? Message-ID: <051620061515.26402.4469EC8A0004913E00006722219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF969B019607080C@mchsi.com> Hi Kath, I switched about 3 or 4 years ago. The learning curve was actually pretty shallow, I thought. Then again, I had a bit of prior experience with C and C++, so the syntax was reasonably familiar to me. The surface differences between C# and VB make them look pretty different, but once you get past that they are actually very similar to program in. C# uses curly braces to set off blocks of code. Also, every statement is terminated with a semicolon. So at first you think you're typing too much, but I've found, after coding in C# for awhile, that I like how everything is neatly set off. Here's an example that doesn't do anything meaningful... VB Dim i As Int32 Dim s As String For i = 1 To 10 s = Str(s) Next C# string s; for(int i = 1; i <= 10; i++) { s = i.ToString(); } These two blocks of code do exactly the same thing. They look different at first glance, but when you look closer they're very similar. If you put the effort into learning the syntax, you'll find that everything else you know from VB transfers pretty well to C#. Hope that helps :) Ron > Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning > curve is...... > > ______________________________________ > Kath Pelletti > Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. > Ph: 9505-6714 > Fax: 9505-6430 > Email: KP at SDSOnline.net > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Tue May 16 12:33:38 2006 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 10:33:38 -0700 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? In-Reply-To: <00fd01c67879$1531a9b0$6601a8c0@office> References: <00fd01c67879$1531a9b0$6601a8c0@office> Message-ID: <446A0CF2.8090502@shaw.ca> Differences in syntax between C# and VB.NET http://artshop.dotnet11.hostbasket.com/visualbasicexpert/Article_CvsVB.aspx There are many C# to VB.NET Converters and vis versa I am waiting for Fujitsu to come out with a Cobol.Net to VB.Net http://www.tangiblesoftwaresolutions.com/ Kath Pelletti wrote: >Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... > >______________________________________ >Kath Pelletti >Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. >Ph: 9505-6714 >Fax: 9505-6430 >Email: KP at SDSOnline.net > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From kp at sdsonline.net Tue May 16 18:18:36 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:18:36 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] Other lists Message-ID: <005f01c6793f$103272c0$6601a8c0@office> (Cross posted - AccessD and AccessD VB) Has anyone encountered a vb.net forum that posts email to members the way ours does? (Also for SQL Server?) ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. Ph: 9505-6714 Fax: 9505-6430 Email: KP at SDSOnline.net From kp at sdsonline.net Tue May 16 18:33:39 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:33:39 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? References: <051620061515.26402.4469EC8A0004913E00006722219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF969B019607080C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <009e01c67941$29f86e60$6601a8c0@office> Thanks Ron. That actually tells me quite a lot. I might look at a smaller project in C# but not this massive one I'm on now - thanks for the post Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Allen To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 1:15 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? Hi Kath, I switched about 3 or 4 years ago. The learning curve was actually pretty shallow, I thought. Then again, I had a bit of prior experience with C and C++, so the syntax was reasonably familiar to me. The surface differences between C# and VB make them look pretty different, but once you get past that they are actually very similar to program in. C# uses curly braces to set off blocks of code. Also, every statement is terminated with a semicolon. So at first you think you're typing too much, but I've found, after coding in C# for awhile, that I like how everything is neatly set off. Here's an example that doesn't do anything meaningful... VB Dim i As Int32 Dim s As String For i = 1 To 10 s = Str(s) Next C# string s; for(int i = 1; i <= 10; i++) { s = i.ToString(); } These two blocks of code do exactly the same thing. They look different at first glance, but when you look closer they're very similar. If you put the effort into learning the syntax, you'll find that everything else you know from VB transfers pretty well to C#. Hope that helps :) Ron > Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning > curve is...... > > ______________________________________ > Kath Pelletti > Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. > Ph: 9505-6714 > Fax: 9505-6430 > Email: KP at SDSOnline.net > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kp at sdsonline.net Tue May 16 18:36:40 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:36:40 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? References: <00fd01c67879$1531a9b0$6601a8c0@office> <446A0CF2.8090502@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <00a701c67941$95fc4190$6601a8c0@office> Great links - thanks Marty. I had no idea there were converters available commercially - just hadn't thought of it. One of the contractors here has a code generator in C# - maybe we'll convert it if we're running short of time, Cobol.net?? :) Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: MartyConnelly To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:33 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? Differences in syntax between C# and VB.NET http://artshop.dotnet11.hostbasket.com/visualbasicexpert/Article_CvsVB.aspx There are many C# to VB.NET Converters and vis versa I am waiting for Fujitsu to come out with a Cobol.Net to VB.Net http://www.tangiblesoftwaresolutions.com/ Kath Pelletti wrote: >Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... > >______________________________________ >Kath Pelletti >Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. >Ph: 9505-6714 >Fax: 9505-6430 >Email: KP at SDSOnline.net > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Wed May 17 02:02:02 2006 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 00:02:02 -0700 Subject: [dba-VB] Other lists In-Reply-To: <005f01c6793f$103272c0$6601a8c0@office> References: <005f01c6793f$103272c0$6601a8c0@office> Message-ID: <446ACA6A.70403@shaw.ca> ADVANCED-DOTNET VBDOTNET I subscribe to these http://discuss.develop.com/ The advanced one is more general and busy Kath Pelletti wrote: >(Cross posted - AccessD and AccessD VB) > >Has anyone encountered a vb.net forum that posts email to members the way ours does? (Also for SQL Server?) > >______________________________________ >Kath Pelletti >Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. >Ph: 9505-6714 >Fax: 9505-6430 >Email: KP at SDSOnline.net >_______________________________________________ >dba-VB mailing list >dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Wed May 17 02:18:44 2006 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 00:18:44 -0700 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? In-Reply-To: <00a701c67941$95fc4190$6601a8c0@office> References: <00fd01c67879$1531a9b0$6601a8c0@office> <446A0CF2.8090502@shaw.ca> <00a701c67941$95fc4190$6601a8c0@office> Message-ID: <446ACE54.9070805@shaw.ca> I go back years with Cobol and keep in touch with the Big Iron guys even heard Admiral Grace Hopper lecture on Cobol Theoretically you could write any language compiler for .Net even APL. Yup, Net version has been out for about two years, not exactly an inexpensive product. It also integrates with Visual Basic. Fujitsu NetCOBOL for .NET Compiler http://www.netcobol.com/products/windows/netcobol.html Integrating Visual Basic with NetCobol http://www.netcobol.com/info/whitepaper/msdotnet12_01_whitepaper.htm http://www.netcobol.com/info/whitepaper/visualbas.htm http://www.netcobol.com/products/windows/cobol.htm#5 http://www.netcobol.com/info/whitepaper/Fujitsu_Best_of_COBOL_Best_of_GUI.pdf It produces Microsoft's Intermediate Language (MSIL) that executes under the Common Language Runtime (CLR). This language-neutral, platform independent environment enables COBOL code to be mixed with any other .NET- supporting language (such as C# and VB .NET) on any .NET-supporting platform. Microfocus has a similar product Net Express Kath Pelletti wrote: >Great links - thanks Marty. I had no idea there were converters available commercially - just hadn't thought of it. One of the contractors here has a code generator in C# - maybe we'll convert it if we're running short of time, > >Cobol.net?? :) > >Kath > ----- Original Message ----- > From: MartyConnelly > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:33 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? > > > Differences in syntax between C# and VB.NET > http://artshop.dotnet11.hostbasket.com/visualbasicexpert/Article_CvsVB.aspx > > There are many C# to VB.NET Converters and vis versa > I am waiting for Fujitsu to come out with a Cobol.Net to VB.Net > > http://www.tangiblesoftwaresolutions.com/ > > Kath Pelletti wrote: > > >Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... > > > >______________________________________ > >Kath Pelletti > >Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. > >Ph: 9505-6714 > >Fax: 9505-6430 > >Email: KP at SDSOnline.net > > > > > > > > -- > Marty Connelly > Victoria, B.C. > Canada > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-VB mailing list >dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From kp at sdsonline.net Wed May 17 19:41:56 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 10:41:56 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] OT: Cobol.net References: <00fd01c67879$1531a9b0$6601a8c0@office> <446A0CF2.8090502@shaw.ca><00a701c67941$95fc4190$6601a8c0@office> <446ACE54.9070805@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <004701c67a13$ddf50ef0$6601a8c0@office> Amazing - I haven't worked in Cobol for 20 years. My first job as trainee Cobol programmer was to find a bug in a Cobol program that got put on my desk and the print was about 6" thick. Hmmm.....memories. Lots of 'go to's' and so I had rulers holding my place andf sticky notes everywhere. Yuk! ----- Original Message ----- From: MartyConnelly To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? I go back years with Cobol and keep in touch with the Big Iron guys even heard Admiral Grace Hopper lecture on Cobol Theoretically you could write any language compiler for .Net even APL. Yup, Net version has been out for about two years, not exactly an inexpensive product. It also integrates with Visual Basic. Fujitsu NetCOBOL for .NET Compiler http://www.netcobol.com/products/windows/netcobol.html Integrating Visual Basic with NetCobol http://www.netcobol.com/info/whitepaper/msdotnet12_01_whitepaper.htm http://www.netcobol.com/info/whitepaper/visualbas.htm http://www.netcobol.com/products/windows/cobol.htm#5 http://www.netcobol.com/info/whitepaper/Fujitsu_Best_of_COBOL_Best_of_GUI.pdf It produces Microsoft's Intermediate Language (MSIL) that executes under the Common Language Runtime (CLR). This language-neutral, platform independent environment enables COBOL code to be mixed with any other .NET- supporting language (such as C# and VB .NET) on any .NET-supporting platform. Microfocus has a similar product Net Express Kath Pelletti wrote: >Great links - thanks Marty. I had no idea there were converters available commercially - just hadn't thought of it. One of the contractors here has a code generator in C# - maybe we'll convert it if we're running short of time, > >Cobol.net?? :) > >Kath > ----- Original Message ----- > From: MartyConnelly > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:33 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? > > > Differences in syntax between C# and VB.NET > http://artshop.dotnet11.hostbasket.com/visualbasicexpert/Article_CvsVB.aspx > > There are many C# to VB.NET Converters and vis versa > I am waiting for Fujitsu to come out with a Cobol.Net to VB.Net > > http://www.tangiblesoftwaresolutions.com/ > > Kath Pelletti wrote: > > >Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... > > > >______________________________________ > >Kath Pelletti > >Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. > >Ph: 9505-6714 > >Fax: 9505-6430 > >Email: KP at SDSOnline.net > > > > > > > > -- > Marty Connelly > Victoria, B.C. > Canada > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-VB mailing list >dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kp at sdsonline.net Wed May 3 20:01:17 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:01:17 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] VB.net form title bar not visible Message-ID: <001801c66f16$402f1970$6601a8c0@office> (Cross posted to AccessD and Access D VB) I have a main menu with a menu strip item. What I want is when the user clicks on that menu item, the Main menu stays in the background (which it does) and FrmPricing opens maximised without the title bar. I have the following properties set for frmpricing: WindowState: maximised Maximise box: false Minimise box: false My code to open frmpricing from the mainmenu is as follows: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Private Sub mnuSecuritiesPricing_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As System.EventArgs) Handles mnuSecuritiesPricing.Click Dim ifrmPricing As New frmPricing ifrmPricing.MdiParent = Me ifrmPricing.Dock = DockStyle.Fill Me.MenuStrip1.Enabled = False ifrmPricing.Show() 'Dialog() End Sub -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kath Pelletti From kp at sdsonline.net Wed May 3 20:07:46 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:07:46 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] VB.net form title bar not visible Message-ID: <002801c66f17$2a47fe50$6601a8c0@office> Don't worry - got it - Frmborderstyle = none ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti From kp at sdsonline.net Thu May 4 00:22:17 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 15:22:17 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] Go to new record - vb.net Message-ID: <000d01c66f3a$b70b5f80$6601a8c0@office> (Cross posted vb list / access list) Does anyone know what code to use to move to a new record in a DataGridView control in vb.net? I have created a new menustripcontrol with an 'Add new record' button. When the user clicks it I want it to move to a new record in the grid. rgds ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti From kp at sdsonline.net Mon May 15 18:41:25 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 09:41:25 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? Message-ID: <00fd01c67879$1531a9b0$6601a8c0@office> Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. Ph: 9505-6714 Fax: 9505-6430 Email: KP at SDSOnline.net From ebarro at verizon.net Mon May 15 19:42:49 2006 From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 17:42:49 -0700 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? In-Reply-To: <00fd01c67879$1531a9b0$6601a8c0@office> Message-ID: <000001c67881$a8a35ab0$c767a8c0@amdgcda> VB to C# is not too much of a stretch but VBA to C# is a stretch. -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 4:41 PM To: AccessD VB List Subject: [dba-VB] C#? Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. Ph: 9505-6714 Fax: 9505-6430 Email: KP at SDSOnline.net _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 From kp at sdsonline.net Mon May 15 20:10:00 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:10:00 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? References: <000001c67881$a8a35ab0$c767a8c0@amdgcda> Message-ID: <002101c67885$74e472f0$6601a8c0@office> Hi Eric - yeah, I'm finding it a stretch to go from vba to vb.net. I will now be working with 2 others who have a preference for C#. Just wondering about diff. between leaping vba to vb.net as opposed to vba to C#. Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Barro To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? VB to C# is not too much of a stretch but VBA to C# is a stretch. -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 4:41 PM To: AccessD VB List Subject: [dba-VB] C#? Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. Ph: 9505-6714 Fax: 9505-6430 Email: KP at SDSOnline.net _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From michael at ddisolutions.com.au Mon May 15 20:11:49 2006 From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:11:49 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D0116A601@ddi-01.DDI.local> I agree. Doing very 'basic' code is ok. What I noticed the most is case sensitivity, curly brackets{}, enums as parameters (no list). The biggest problem in doing .net well is not the languages so much as learning the frameworks and coming to grips with designing in an OO way IMO. If you want to see whats involved in building a 'best practice' data layer without too much work (hehe) sign up for the 30 day trial of codesmith www.codesmithtools.com , then grab the www.nettiers.com NetTiers template and give it a run over a small database. I've been writing C# for a couple of weeks, I suspect that a C# guru would know immediately I came from a VB background ;-))) I know I will get there though, its not THAT hard, just different. I'm also trying to come to grips with the ArcView object model and believe me that is no fun at all...... cheers Michael M -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro Sent: Tuesday, 16 May 2006 10:43 AM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? VB to C# is not too much of a stretch but VBA to C# is a stretch. -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 4:41 PM To: AccessD VB List Subject: [dba-VB] C#? Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. Ph: 9505-6714 Fax: 9505-6430 Email: KP at SDSOnline.net _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ebarro at verizon.net Mon May 15 20:36:50 2006 From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 18:36:50 -0700 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? In-Reply-To: <002101c67885$74e472f0$6601a8c0@office> Message-ID: <000c01c67889$346eff20$c767a8c0@amdgcda> I migrated my vba skills from Access to classic ASP applications and at the same time got into VB6 application programming but never really learned OOP principles. Transitioning to VB.NET didn't help any to learn OOP principles since it was just easy to continue programming in the same mindset. I migrated to C# last year and could still make do with VB-style programming to a certain extent but eventually learned the OOP way of developing applications. Prior to learning vba though I had classic C experience (Turbo C by Borland) so I already had the concept of C programming down. The biggest learning curve will be migrating to OOP ways. -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 6:10 PM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? Hi Eric - yeah, I'm finding it a stretch to go from vba to vb.net. I will now be working with 2 others who have a preference for C#. Just wondering about diff. between leaping vba to vb.net as opposed to vba to C#. Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Barro To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? VB to C# is not too much of a stretch but VBA to C# is a stretch. -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 4:41 PM To: AccessD VB List Subject: [dba-VB] C#? Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. Ph: 9505-6714 Fax: 9505-6430 Email: KP at SDSOnline.net _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 From kp at sdsonline.net Mon May 15 21:31:04 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 12:31:04 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? References: <000c01c67889$346eff20$c767a8c0@amdgcda> Message-ID: <001a01c67890$c7ff2a10$6601a8c0@office> I know what you mean about the mindset. I was given a big project to do this year and I started off really just converting the way I code in vba to vb.net. But I had a big 'what am I doing?' moment about a month ago and have now hired someone to design the OO architecture and I have to learn his mindset. It's quite illuminating. I am in the throws of learning it all now - object factories and class code generators etc etc. But that feeling of being 'master of absolutely nothing' is truly bad when you have a commitment to the client and a deadline....aaargh. ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Barro To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? I migrated my vba skills from Access to classic ASP applications and at the same time got into VB6 application programming but never really learned OOP principles. Transitioning to VB.NET didn't help any to learn OOP principles since it was just easy to continue programming in the same mindset. I migrated to C# last year and could still make do with VB-style programming to a certain extent but eventually learned the OOP way of developing applications. Prior to learning vba though I had classic C experience (Turbo C by Borland) so I already had the concept of C programming down. The biggest learning curve will be migrating to OOP ways. -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 6:10 PM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? Hi Eric - yeah, I'm finding it a stretch to go from vba to vb.net. I will now be working with 2 others who have a preference for C#. Just wondering about diff. between leaping vba to vb.net as opposed to vba to C#. Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Barro To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? VB to C# is not too much of a stretch but VBA to C# is a stretch. -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 4:41 PM To: AccessD VB List Subject: [dba-VB] C#? Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. Ph: 9505-6714 Fax: 9505-6430 Email: KP at SDSOnline.net _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kp at sdsonline.net Mon May 15 21:34:20 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 12:34:20 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? References: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D0116A601@ddi-01.DDI.local> Message-ID: <002301c67891$3d44d4f0$6601a8c0@office> Thanks for the links Michael - I am looking now... ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Maddison To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? I agree. Doing very 'basic' code is ok. What I noticed the most is case sensitivity, curly brackets{}, enums as parameters (no list). The biggest problem in doing .net well is not the languages so much as learning the frameworks and coming to grips with designing in an OO way IMO. If you want to see whats involved in building a 'best practice' data layer without too much work (hehe) sign up for the 30 day trial of codesmith www.codesmithtools.com , then grab the www.nettiers.com NetTiers template and give it a run over a small database. I've been writing C# for a couple of weeks, I suspect that a C# guru would know immediately I came from a VB background ;-))) I know I will get there though, its not THAT hard, just different. I'm also trying to come to grips with the ArcView object model and believe me that is no fun at all...... cheers Michael M -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro Sent: Tuesday, 16 May 2006 10:43 AM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? VB to C# is not too much of a stretch but VBA to C# is a stretch. -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 4:41 PM To: AccessD VB List Subject: [dba-VB] C#? Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. Ph: 9505-6714 Fax: 9505-6430 Email: KP at SDSOnline.net _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From chizotz at mchsi.com Tue May 16 10:15:22 2006 From: chizotz at mchsi.com (Ron Allen) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 15:15:22 +0000 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? Message-ID: <051620061515.26402.4469EC8A0004913E00006722219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF969B019607080C@mchsi.com> Hi Kath, I switched about 3 or 4 years ago. The learning curve was actually pretty shallow, I thought. Then again, I had a bit of prior experience with C and C++, so the syntax was reasonably familiar to me. The surface differences between C# and VB make them look pretty different, but once you get past that they are actually very similar to program in. C# uses curly braces to set off blocks of code. Also, every statement is terminated with a semicolon. So at first you think you're typing too much, but I've found, after coding in C# for awhile, that I like how everything is neatly set off. Here's an example that doesn't do anything meaningful... VB Dim i As Int32 Dim s As String For i = 1 To 10 s = Str(s) Next C# string s; for(int i = 1; i <= 10; i++) { s = i.ToString(); } These two blocks of code do exactly the same thing. They look different at first glance, but when you look closer they're very similar. If you put the effort into learning the syntax, you'll find that everything else you know from VB transfers pretty well to C#. Hope that helps :) Ron > Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning > curve is...... > > ______________________________________ > Kath Pelletti > Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. > Ph: 9505-6714 > Fax: 9505-6430 > Email: KP at SDSOnline.net > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Tue May 16 12:33:38 2006 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 10:33:38 -0700 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? In-Reply-To: <00fd01c67879$1531a9b0$6601a8c0@office> References: <00fd01c67879$1531a9b0$6601a8c0@office> Message-ID: <446A0CF2.8090502@shaw.ca> Differences in syntax between C# and VB.NET http://artshop.dotnet11.hostbasket.com/visualbasicexpert/Article_CvsVB.aspx There are many C# to VB.NET Converters and vis versa I am waiting for Fujitsu to come out with a Cobol.Net to VB.Net http://www.tangiblesoftwaresolutions.com/ Kath Pelletti wrote: >Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... > >______________________________________ >Kath Pelletti >Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. >Ph: 9505-6714 >Fax: 9505-6430 >Email: KP at SDSOnline.net > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From kp at sdsonline.net Tue May 16 18:18:36 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:18:36 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] Other lists Message-ID: <005f01c6793f$103272c0$6601a8c0@office> (Cross posted - AccessD and AccessD VB) Has anyone encountered a vb.net forum that posts email to members the way ours does? (Also for SQL Server?) ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. Ph: 9505-6714 Fax: 9505-6430 Email: KP at SDSOnline.net From kp at sdsonline.net Tue May 16 18:33:39 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:33:39 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? References: <051620061515.26402.4469EC8A0004913E00006722219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF969B019607080C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <009e01c67941$29f86e60$6601a8c0@office> Thanks Ron. That actually tells me quite a lot. I might look at a smaller project in C# but not this massive one I'm on now - thanks for the post Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Allen To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 1:15 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? Hi Kath, I switched about 3 or 4 years ago. The learning curve was actually pretty shallow, I thought. Then again, I had a bit of prior experience with C and C++, so the syntax was reasonably familiar to me. The surface differences between C# and VB make them look pretty different, but once you get past that they are actually very similar to program in. C# uses curly braces to set off blocks of code. Also, every statement is terminated with a semicolon. So at first you think you're typing too much, but I've found, after coding in C# for awhile, that I like how everything is neatly set off. Here's an example that doesn't do anything meaningful... VB Dim i As Int32 Dim s As String For i = 1 To 10 s = Str(s) Next C# string s; for(int i = 1; i <= 10; i++) { s = i.ToString(); } These two blocks of code do exactly the same thing. They look different at first glance, but when you look closer they're very similar. If you put the effort into learning the syntax, you'll find that everything else you know from VB transfers pretty well to C#. Hope that helps :) Ron > Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning > curve is...... > > ______________________________________ > Kath Pelletti > Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. > Ph: 9505-6714 > Fax: 9505-6430 > Email: KP at SDSOnline.net > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kp at sdsonline.net Tue May 16 18:36:40 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:36:40 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? References: <00fd01c67879$1531a9b0$6601a8c0@office> <446A0CF2.8090502@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <00a701c67941$95fc4190$6601a8c0@office> Great links - thanks Marty. I had no idea there were converters available commercially - just hadn't thought of it. One of the contractors here has a code generator in C# - maybe we'll convert it if we're running short of time, Cobol.net?? :) Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: MartyConnelly To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:33 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? Differences in syntax between C# and VB.NET http://artshop.dotnet11.hostbasket.com/visualbasicexpert/Article_CvsVB.aspx There are many C# to VB.NET Converters and vis versa I am waiting for Fujitsu to come out with a Cobol.Net to VB.Net http://www.tangiblesoftwaresolutions.com/ Kath Pelletti wrote: >Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... > >______________________________________ >Kath Pelletti >Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. >Ph: 9505-6714 >Fax: 9505-6430 >Email: KP at SDSOnline.net > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Wed May 17 02:02:02 2006 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 00:02:02 -0700 Subject: [dba-VB] Other lists In-Reply-To: <005f01c6793f$103272c0$6601a8c0@office> References: <005f01c6793f$103272c0$6601a8c0@office> Message-ID: <446ACA6A.70403@shaw.ca> ADVANCED-DOTNET VBDOTNET I subscribe to these http://discuss.develop.com/ The advanced one is more general and busy Kath Pelletti wrote: >(Cross posted - AccessD and AccessD VB) > >Has anyone encountered a vb.net forum that posts email to members the way ours does? (Also for SQL Server?) > >______________________________________ >Kath Pelletti >Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. >Ph: 9505-6714 >Fax: 9505-6430 >Email: KP at SDSOnline.net >_______________________________________________ >dba-VB mailing list >dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Wed May 17 02:18:44 2006 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 00:18:44 -0700 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? In-Reply-To: <00a701c67941$95fc4190$6601a8c0@office> References: <00fd01c67879$1531a9b0$6601a8c0@office> <446A0CF2.8090502@shaw.ca> <00a701c67941$95fc4190$6601a8c0@office> Message-ID: <446ACE54.9070805@shaw.ca> I go back years with Cobol and keep in touch with the Big Iron guys even heard Admiral Grace Hopper lecture on Cobol Theoretically you could write any language compiler for .Net even APL. Yup, Net version has been out for about two years, not exactly an inexpensive product. It also integrates with Visual Basic. Fujitsu NetCOBOL for .NET Compiler http://www.netcobol.com/products/windows/netcobol.html Integrating Visual Basic with NetCobol http://www.netcobol.com/info/whitepaper/msdotnet12_01_whitepaper.htm http://www.netcobol.com/info/whitepaper/visualbas.htm http://www.netcobol.com/products/windows/cobol.htm#5 http://www.netcobol.com/info/whitepaper/Fujitsu_Best_of_COBOL_Best_of_GUI.pdf It produces Microsoft's Intermediate Language (MSIL) that executes under the Common Language Runtime (CLR). This language-neutral, platform independent environment enables COBOL code to be mixed with any other .NET- supporting language (such as C# and VB .NET) on any .NET-supporting platform. Microfocus has a similar product Net Express Kath Pelletti wrote: >Great links - thanks Marty. I had no idea there were converters available commercially - just hadn't thought of it. One of the contractors here has a code generator in C# - maybe we'll convert it if we're running short of time, > >Cobol.net?? :) > >Kath > ----- Original Message ----- > From: MartyConnelly > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:33 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? > > > Differences in syntax between C# and VB.NET > http://artshop.dotnet11.hostbasket.com/visualbasicexpert/Article_CvsVB.aspx > > There are many C# to VB.NET Converters and vis versa > I am waiting for Fujitsu to come out with a Cobol.Net to VB.Net > > http://www.tangiblesoftwaresolutions.com/ > > Kath Pelletti wrote: > > >Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... > > > >______________________________________ > >Kath Pelletti > >Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. > >Ph: 9505-6714 > >Fax: 9505-6430 > >Email: KP at SDSOnline.net > > > > > > > > -- > Marty Connelly > Victoria, B.C. > Canada > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-VB mailing list >dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From kp at sdsonline.net Wed May 17 19:41:56 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 10:41:56 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] OT: Cobol.net References: <00fd01c67879$1531a9b0$6601a8c0@office> <446A0CF2.8090502@shaw.ca><00a701c67941$95fc4190$6601a8c0@office> <446ACE54.9070805@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <004701c67a13$ddf50ef0$6601a8c0@office> Amazing - I haven't worked in Cobol for 20 years. My first job as trainee Cobol programmer was to find a bug in a Cobol program that got put on my desk and the print was about 6" thick. Hmmm.....memories. Lots of 'go to's' and so I had rulers holding my place andf sticky notes everywhere. Yuk! ----- Original Message ----- From: MartyConnelly To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? I go back years with Cobol and keep in touch with the Big Iron guys even heard Admiral Grace Hopper lecture on Cobol Theoretically you could write any language compiler for .Net even APL. Yup, Net version has been out for about two years, not exactly an inexpensive product. It also integrates with Visual Basic. Fujitsu NetCOBOL for .NET Compiler http://www.netcobol.com/products/windows/netcobol.html Integrating Visual Basic with NetCobol http://www.netcobol.com/info/whitepaper/msdotnet12_01_whitepaper.htm http://www.netcobol.com/info/whitepaper/visualbas.htm http://www.netcobol.com/products/windows/cobol.htm#5 http://www.netcobol.com/info/whitepaper/Fujitsu_Best_of_COBOL_Best_of_GUI.pdf It produces Microsoft's Intermediate Language (MSIL) that executes under the Common Language Runtime (CLR). This language-neutral, platform independent environment enables COBOL code to be mixed with any other .NET- supporting language (such as C# and VB .NET) on any .NET-supporting platform. Microfocus has a similar product Net Express Kath Pelletti wrote: >Great links - thanks Marty. I had no idea there were converters available commercially - just hadn't thought of it. One of the contractors here has a code generator in C# - maybe we'll convert it if we're running short of time, > >Cobol.net?? :) > >Kath > ----- Original Message ----- > From: MartyConnelly > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:33 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? > > > Differences in syntax between C# and VB.NET > http://artshop.dotnet11.hostbasket.com/visualbasicexpert/Article_CvsVB.aspx > > There are many C# to VB.NET Converters and vis versa > I am waiting for Fujitsu to come out with a Cobol.Net to VB.Net > > http://www.tangiblesoftwaresolutions.com/ > > Kath Pelletti wrote: > > >Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... > > > >______________________________________ > >Kath Pelletti > >Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. > >Ph: 9505-6714 > >Fax: 9505-6430 > >Email: KP at SDSOnline.net > > > > > > > > -- > Marty Connelly > Victoria, B.C. > Canada > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-VB mailing list >dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kp at sdsonline.net Wed May 3 20:01:17 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:01:17 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] VB.net form title bar not visible Message-ID: <001801c66f16$402f1970$6601a8c0@office> (Cross posted to AccessD and Access D VB) I have a main menu with a menu strip item. What I want is when the user clicks on that menu item, the Main menu stays in the background (which it does) and FrmPricing opens maximised without the title bar. I have the following properties set for frmpricing: WindowState: maximised Maximise box: false Minimise box: false My code to open frmpricing from the mainmenu is as follows: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Private Sub mnuSecuritiesPricing_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As System.EventArgs) Handles mnuSecuritiesPricing.Click Dim ifrmPricing As New frmPricing ifrmPricing.MdiParent = Me ifrmPricing.Dock = DockStyle.Fill Me.MenuStrip1.Enabled = False ifrmPricing.Show() 'Dialog() End Sub -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kath Pelletti From kp at sdsonline.net Wed May 3 20:07:46 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:07:46 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] VB.net form title bar not visible Message-ID: <002801c66f17$2a47fe50$6601a8c0@office> Don't worry - got it - Frmborderstyle = none ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti From kp at sdsonline.net Thu May 4 00:22:17 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 15:22:17 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] Go to new record - vb.net Message-ID: <000d01c66f3a$b70b5f80$6601a8c0@office> (Cross posted vb list / access list) Does anyone know what code to use to move to a new record in a DataGridView control in vb.net? I have created a new menustripcontrol with an 'Add new record' button. When the user clicks it I want it to move to a new record in the grid. rgds ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti From kp at sdsonline.net Mon May 15 18:41:25 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 09:41:25 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? Message-ID: <00fd01c67879$1531a9b0$6601a8c0@office> Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. Ph: 9505-6714 Fax: 9505-6430 Email: KP at SDSOnline.net From ebarro at verizon.net Mon May 15 19:42:49 2006 From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 17:42:49 -0700 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? In-Reply-To: <00fd01c67879$1531a9b0$6601a8c0@office> Message-ID: <000001c67881$a8a35ab0$c767a8c0@amdgcda> VB to C# is not too much of a stretch but VBA to C# is a stretch. -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 4:41 PM To: AccessD VB List Subject: [dba-VB] C#? Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. Ph: 9505-6714 Fax: 9505-6430 Email: KP at SDSOnline.net _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 From kp at sdsonline.net Mon May 15 20:10:00 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:10:00 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? References: <000001c67881$a8a35ab0$c767a8c0@amdgcda> Message-ID: <002101c67885$74e472f0$6601a8c0@office> Hi Eric - yeah, I'm finding it a stretch to go from vba to vb.net. I will now be working with 2 others who have a preference for C#. Just wondering about diff. between leaping vba to vb.net as opposed to vba to C#. Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Barro To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? VB to C# is not too much of a stretch but VBA to C# is a stretch. -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 4:41 PM To: AccessD VB List Subject: [dba-VB] C#? Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. Ph: 9505-6714 Fax: 9505-6430 Email: KP at SDSOnline.net _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From michael at ddisolutions.com.au Mon May 15 20:11:49 2006 From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:11:49 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D0116A601@ddi-01.DDI.local> I agree. Doing very 'basic' code is ok. What I noticed the most is case sensitivity, curly brackets{}, enums as parameters (no list). The biggest problem in doing .net well is not the languages so much as learning the frameworks and coming to grips with designing in an OO way IMO. If you want to see whats involved in building a 'best practice' data layer without too much work (hehe) sign up for the 30 day trial of codesmith www.codesmithtools.com , then grab the www.nettiers.com NetTiers template and give it a run over a small database. I've been writing C# for a couple of weeks, I suspect that a C# guru would know immediately I came from a VB background ;-))) I know I will get there though, its not THAT hard, just different. I'm also trying to come to grips with the ArcView object model and believe me that is no fun at all...... cheers Michael M -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro Sent: Tuesday, 16 May 2006 10:43 AM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? VB to C# is not too much of a stretch but VBA to C# is a stretch. -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 4:41 PM To: AccessD VB List Subject: [dba-VB] C#? Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. Ph: 9505-6714 Fax: 9505-6430 Email: KP at SDSOnline.net _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ebarro at verizon.net Mon May 15 20:36:50 2006 From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 18:36:50 -0700 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? In-Reply-To: <002101c67885$74e472f0$6601a8c0@office> Message-ID: <000c01c67889$346eff20$c767a8c0@amdgcda> I migrated my vba skills from Access to classic ASP applications and at the same time got into VB6 application programming but never really learned OOP principles. Transitioning to VB.NET didn't help any to learn OOP principles since it was just easy to continue programming in the same mindset. I migrated to C# last year and could still make do with VB-style programming to a certain extent but eventually learned the OOP way of developing applications. Prior to learning vba though I had classic C experience (Turbo C by Borland) so I already had the concept of C programming down. The biggest learning curve will be migrating to OOP ways. -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 6:10 PM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? Hi Eric - yeah, I'm finding it a stretch to go from vba to vb.net. I will now be working with 2 others who have a preference for C#. Just wondering about diff. between leaping vba to vb.net as opposed to vba to C#. Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Barro To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? VB to C# is not too much of a stretch but VBA to C# is a stretch. -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 4:41 PM To: AccessD VB List Subject: [dba-VB] C#? Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. Ph: 9505-6714 Fax: 9505-6430 Email: KP at SDSOnline.net _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 From kp at sdsonline.net Mon May 15 21:31:04 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 12:31:04 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? References: <000c01c67889$346eff20$c767a8c0@amdgcda> Message-ID: <001a01c67890$c7ff2a10$6601a8c0@office> I know what you mean about the mindset. I was given a big project to do this year and I started off really just converting the way I code in vba to vb.net. But I had a big 'what am I doing?' moment about a month ago and have now hired someone to design the OO architecture and I have to learn his mindset. It's quite illuminating. I am in the throws of learning it all now - object factories and class code generators etc etc. But that feeling of being 'master of absolutely nothing' is truly bad when you have a commitment to the client and a deadline....aaargh. ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Barro To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? I migrated my vba skills from Access to classic ASP applications and at the same time got into VB6 application programming but never really learned OOP principles. Transitioning to VB.NET didn't help any to learn OOP principles since it was just easy to continue programming in the same mindset. I migrated to C# last year and could still make do with VB-style programming to a certain extent but eventually learned the OOP way of developing applications. Prior to learning vba though I had classic C experience (Turbo C by Borland) so I already had the concept of C programming down. The biggest learning curve will be migrating to OOP ways. -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 6:10 PM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? Hi Eric - yeah, I'm finding it a stretch to go from vba to vb.net. I will now be working with 2 others who have a preference for C#. Just wondering about diff. between leaping vba to vb.net as opposed to vba to C#. Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Barro To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? VB to C# is not too much of a stretch but VBA to C# is a stretch. -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 4:41 PM To: AccessD VB List Subject: [dba-VB] C#? Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. Ph: 9505-6714 Fax: 9505-6430 Email: KP at SDSOnline.net _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kp at sdsonline.net Mon May 15 21:34:20 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 12:34:20 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? References: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D0116A601@ddi-01.DDI.local> Message-ID: <002301c67891$3d44d4f0$6601a8c0@office> Thanks for the links Michael - I am looking now... ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Maddison To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? I agree. Doing very 'basic' code is ok. What I noticed the most is case sensitivity, curly brackets{}, enums as parameters (no list). The biggest problem in doing .net well is not the languages so much as learning the frameworks and coming to grips with designing in an OO way IMO. If you want to see whats involved in building a 'best practice' data layer without too much work (hehe) sign up for the 30 day trial of codesmith www.codesmithtools.com , then grab the www.nettiers.com NetTiers template and give it a run over a small database. I've been writing C# for a couple of weeks, I suspect that a C# guru would know immediately I came from a VB background ;-))) I know I will get there though, its not THAT hard, just different. I'm also trying to come to grips with the ArcView object model and believe me that is no fun at all...... cheers Michael M -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro Sent: Tuesday, 16 May 2006 10:43 AM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? VB to C# is not too much of a stretch but VBA to C# is a stretch. -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 4:41 PM To: AccessD VB List Subject: [dba-VB] C#? Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. Ph: 9505-6714 Fax: 9505-6430 Email: KP at SDSOnline.net _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From chizotz at mchsi.com Tue May 16 10:15:22 2006 From: chizotz at mchsi.com (Ron Allen) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 15:15:22 +0000 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? Message-ID: <051620061515.26402.4469EC8A0004913E00006722219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF969B019607080C@mchsi.com> Hi Kath, I switched about 3 or 4 years ago. The learning curve was actually pretty shallow, I thought. Then again, I had a bit of prior experience with C and C++, so the syntax was reasonably familiar to me. The surface differences between C# and VB make them look pretty different, but once you get past that they are actually very similar to program in. C# uses curly braces to set off blocks of code. Also, every statement is terminated with a semicolon. So at first you think you're typing too much, but I've found, after coding in C# for awhile, that I like how everything is neatly set off. Here's an example that doesn't do anything meaningful... VB Dim i As Int32 Dim s As String For i = 1 To 10 s = Str(s) Next C# string s; for(int i = 1; i <= 10; i++) { s = i.ToString(); } These two blocks of code do exactly the same thing. They look different at first glance, but when you look closer they're very similar. If you put the effort into learning the syntax, you'll find that everything else you know from VB transfers pretty well to C#. Hope that helps :) Ron > Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning > curve is...... > > ______________________________________ > Kath Pelletti > Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. > Ph: 9505-6714 > Fax: 9505-6430 > Email: KP at SDSOnline.net > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Tue May 16 12:33:38 2006 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 10:33:38 -0700 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? In-Reply-To: <00fd01c67879$1531a9b0$6601a8c0@office> References: <00fd01c67879$1531a9b0$6601a8c0@office> Message-ID: <446A0CF2.8090502@shaw.ca> Differences in syntax between C# and VB.NET http://artshop.dotnet11.hostbasket.com/visualbasicexpert/Article_CvsVB.aspx There are many C# to VB.NET Converters and vis versa I am waiting for Fujitsu to come out with a Cobol.Net to VB.Net http://www.tangiblesoftwaresolutions.com/ Kath Pelletti wrote: >Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... > >______________________________________ >Kath Pelletti >Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. >Ph: 9505-6714 >Fax: 9505-6430 >Email: KP at SDSOnline.net > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From kp at sdsonline.net Tue May 16 18:18:36 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:18:36 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] Other lists Message-ID: <005f01c6793f$103272c0$6601a8c0@office> (Cross posted - AccessD and AccessD VB) Has anyone encountered a vb.net forum that posts email to members the way ours does? (Also for SQL Server?) ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. Ph: 9505-6714 Fax: 9505-6430 Email: KP at SDSOnline.net From kp at sdsonline.net Tue May 16 18:33:39 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:33:39 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? References: <051620061515.26402.4469EC8A0004913E00006722219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF969B019607080C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <009e01c67941$29f86e60$6601a8c0@office> Thanks Ron. That actually tells me quite a lot. I might look at a smaller project in C# but not this massive one I'm on now - thanks for the post Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Allen To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 1:15 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? Hi Kath, I switched about 3 or 4 years ago. The learning curve was actually pretty shallow, I thought. Then again, I had a bit of prior experience with C and C++, so the syntax was reasonably familiar to me. The surface differences between C# and VB make them look pretty different, but once you get past that they are actually very similar to program in. C# uses curly braces to set off blocks of code. Also, every statement is terminated with a semicolon. So at first you think you're typing too much, but I've found, after coding in C# for awhile, that I like how everything is neatly set off. Here's an example that doesn't do anything meaningful... VB Dim i As Int32 Dim s As String For i = 1 To 10 s = Str(s) Next C# string s; for(int i = 1; i <= 10; i++) { s = i.ToString(); } These two blocks of code do exactly the same thing. They look different at first glance, but when you look closer they're very similar. If you put the effort into learning the syntax, you'll find that everything else you know from VB transfers pretty well to C#. Hope that helps :) Ron > Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning > curve is...... > > ______________________________________ > Kath Pelletti > Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. > Ph: 9505-6714 > Fax: 9505-6430 > Email: KP at SDSOnline.net > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kp at sdsonline.net Tue May 16 18:36:40 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:36:40 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? References: <00fd01c67879$1531a9b0$6601a8c0@office> <446A0CF2.8090502@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <00a701c67941$95fc4190$6601a8c0@office> Great links - thanks Marty. I had no idea there were converters available commercially - just hadn't thought of it. One of the contractors here has a code generator in C# - maybe we'll convert it if we're running short of time, Cobol.net?? :) Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: MartyConnelly To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:33 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? Differences in syntax between C# and VB.NET http://artshop.dotnet11.hostbasket.com/visualbasicexpert/Article_CvsVB.aspx There are many C# to VB.NET Converters and vis versa I am waiting for Fujitsu to come out with a Cobol.Net to VB.Net http://www.tangiblesoftwaresolutions.com/ Kath Pelletti wrote: >Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... > >______________________________________ >Kath Pelletti >Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. >Ph: 9505-6714 >Fax: 9505-6430 >Email: KP at SDSOnline.net > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Wed May 17 02:02:02 2006 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 00:02:02 -0700 Subject: [dba-VB] Other lists In-Reply-To: <005f01c6793f$103272c0$6601a8c0@office> References: <005f01c6793f$103272c0$6601a8c0@office> Message-ID: <446ACA6A.70403@shaw.ca> ADVANCED-DOTNET VBDOTNET I subscribe to these http://discuss.develop.com/ The advanced one is more general and busy Kath Pelletti wrote: >(Cross posted - AccessD and AccessD VB) > >Has anyone encountered a vb.net forum that posts email to members the way ours does? (Also for SQL Server?) > >______________________________________ >Kath Pelletti >Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. >Ph: 9505-6714 >Fax: 9505-6430 >Email: KP at SDSOnline.net >_______________________________________________ >dba-VB mailing list >dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Wed May 17 02:18:44 2006 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 00:18:44 -0700 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? In-Reply-To: <00a701c67941$95fc4190$6601a8c0@office> References: <00fd01c67879$1531a9b0$6601a8c0@office> <446A0CF2.8090502@shaw.ca> <00a701c67941$95fc4190$6601a8c0@office> Message-ID: <446ACE54.9070805@shaw.ca> I go back years with Cobol and keep in touch with the Big Iron guys even heard Admiral Grace Hopper lecture on Cobol Theoretically you could write any language compiler for .Net even APL. Yup, Net version has been out for about two years, not exactly an inexpensive product. It also integrates with Visual Basic. Fujitsu NetCOBOL for .NET Compiler http://www.netcobol.com/products/windows/netcobol.html Integrating Visual Basic with NetCobol http://www.netcobol.com/info/whitepaper/msdotnet12_01_whitepaper.htm http://www.netcobol.com/info/whitepaper/visualbas.htm http://www.netcobol.com/products/windows/cobol.htm#5 http://www.netcobol.com/info/whitepaper/Fujitsu_Best_of_COBOL_Best_of_GUI.pdf It produces Microsoft's Intermediate Language (MSIL) that executes under the Common Language Runtime (CLR). This language-neutral, platform independent environment enables COBOL code to be mixed with any other .NET- supporting language (such as C# and VB .NET) on any .NET-supporting platform. Microfocus has a similar product Net Express Kath Pelletti wrote: >Great links - thanks Marty. I had no idea there were converters available commercially - just hadn't thought of it. One of the contractors here has a code generator in C# - maybe we'll convert it if we're running short of time, > >Cobol.net?? :) > >Kath > ----- Original Message ----- > From: MartyConnelly > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:33 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? > > > Differences in syntax between C# and VB.NET > http://artshop.dotnet11.hostbasket.com/visualbasicexpert/Article_CvsVB.aspx > > There are many C# to VB.NET Converters and vis versa > I am waiting for Fujitsu to come out with a Cobol.Net to VB.Net > > http://www.tangiblesoftwaresolutions.com/ > > Kath Pelletti wrote: > > >Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... > > > >______________________________________ > >Kath Pelletti > >Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. > >Ph: 9505-6714 > >Fax: 9505-6430 > >Email: KP at SDSOnline.net > > > > > > > > -- > Marty Connelly > Victoria, B.C. > Canada > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-VB mailing list >dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From kp at sdsonline.net Wed May 17 19:41:56 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 10:41:56 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] OT: Cobol.net References: <00fd01c67879$1531a9b0$6601a8c0@office> <446A0CF2.8090502@shaw.ca><00a701c67941$95fc4190$6601a8c0@office> <446ACE54.9070805@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <004701c67a13$ddf50ef0$6601a8c0@office> Amazing - I haven't worked in Cobol for 20 years. My first job as trainee Cobol programmer was to find a bug in a Cobol program that got put on my desk and the print was about 6" thick. Hmmm.....memories. Lots of 'go to's' and so I had rulers holding my place andf sticky notes everywhere. Yuk! ----- Original Message ----- From: MartyConnelly To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? I go back years with Cobol and keep in touch with the Big Iron guys even heard Admiral Grace Hopper lecture on Cobol Theoretically you could write any language compiler for .Net even APL. Yup, Net version has been out for about two years, not exactly an inexpensive product. It also integrates with Visual Basic. Fujitsu NetCOBOL for .NET Compiler http://www.netcobol.com/products/windows/netcobol.html Integrating Visual Basic with NetCobol http://www.netcobol.com/info/whitepaper/msdotnet12_01_whitepaper.htm http://www.netcobol.com/info/whitepaper/visualbas.htm http://www.netcobol.com/products/windows/cobol.htm#5 http://www.netcobol.com/info/whitepaper/Fujitsu_Best_of_COBOL_Best_of_GUI.pdf It produces Microsoft's Intermediate Language (MSIL) that executes under the Common Language Runtime (CLR). This language-neutral, platform independent environment enables COBOL code to be mixed with any other .NET- supporting language (such as C# and VB .NET) on any .NET-supporting platform. Microfocus has a similar product Net Express Kath Pelletti wrote: >Great links - thanks Marty. I had no idea there were converters available commercially - just hadn't thought of it. One of the contractors here has a code generator in C# - maybe we'll convert it if we're running short of time, > >Cobol.net?? :) > >Kath > ----- Original Message ----- > From: MartyConnelly > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:33 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? > > > Differences in syntax between C# and VB.NET > http://artshop.dotnet11.hostbasket.com/visualbasicexpert/Article_CvsVB.aspx > > There are many C# to VB.NET Converters and vis versa > I am waiting for Fujitsu to come out with a Cobol.Net to VB.Net > > http://www.tangiblesoftwaresolutions.com/ > > Kath Pelletti wrote: > > >Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... > > > >______________________________________ > >Kath Pelletti > >Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. > >Ph: 9505-6714 > >Fax: 9505-6430 > >Email: KP at SDSOnline.net > > > > > > > > -- > Marty Connelly > Victoria, B.C. > Canada > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-VB mailing list >dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kp at sdsonline.net Wed May 3 20:01:17 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:01:17 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] VB.net form title bar not visible Message-ID: <001801c66f16$402f1970$6601a8c0@office> (Cross posted to AccessD and Access D VB) I have a main menu with a menu strip item. What I want is when the user clicks on that menu item, the Main menu stays in the background (which it does) and FrmPricing opens maximised without the title bar. I have the following properties set for frmpricing: WindowState: maximised Maximise box: false Minimise box: false My code to open frmpricing from the mainmenu is as follows: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Private Sub mnuSecuritiesPricing_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As System.EventArgs) Handles mnuSecuritiesPricing.Click Dim ifrmPricing As New frmPricing ifrmPricing.MdiParent = Me ifrmPricing.Dock = DockStyle.Fill Me.MenuStrip1.Enabled = False ifrmPricing.Show() 'Dialog() End Sub -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kath Pelletti From kp at sdsonline.net Wed May 3 20:07:46 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:07:46 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] VB.net form title bar not visible Message-ID: <002801c66f17$2a47fe50$6601a8c0@office> Don't worry - got it - Frmborderstyle = none ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti From kp at sdsonline.net Thu May 4 00:22:17 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 15:22:17 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] Go to new record - vb.net Message-ID: <000d01c66f3a$b70b5f80$6601a8c0@office> (Cross posted vb list / access list) Does anyone know what code to use to move to a new record in a DataGridView control in vb.net? I have created a new menustripcontrol with an 'Add new record' button. When the user clicks it I want it to move to a new record in the grid. rgds ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti From kp at sdsonline.net Mon May 15 18:41:25 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 09:41:25 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? Message-ID: <00fd01c67879$1531a9b0$6601a8c0@office> Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. Ph: 9505-6714 Fax: 9505-6430 Email: KP at SDSOnline.net From ebarro at verizon.net Mon May 15 19:42:49 2006 From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 17:42:49 -0700 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? In-Reply-To: <00fd01c67879$1531a9b0$6601a8c0@office> Message-ID: <000001c67881$a8a35ab0$c767a8c0@amdgcda> VB to C# is not too much of a stretch but VBA to C# is a stretch. -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 4:41 PM To: AccessD VB List Subject: [dba-VB] C#? Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. Ph: 9505-6714 Fax: 9505-6430 Email: KP at SDSOnline.net _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 From kp at sdsonline.net Mon May 15 20:10:00 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:10:00 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? References: <000001c67881$a8a35ab0$c767a8c0@amdgcda> Message-ID: <002101c67885$74e472f0$6601a8c0@office> Hi Eric - yeah, I'm finding it a stretch to go from vba to vb.net. I will now be working with 2 others who have a preference for C#. Just wondering about diff. between leaping vba to vb.net as opposed to vba to C#. Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Barro To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? VB to C# is not too much of a stretch but VBA to C# is a stretch. -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 4:41 PM To: AccessD VB List Subject: [dba-VB] C#? Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. Ph: 9505-6714 Fax: 9505-6430 Email: KP at SDSOnline.net _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From michael at ddisolutions.com.au Mon May 15 20:11:49 2006 From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:11:49 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D0116A601@ddi-01.DDI.local> I agree. Doing very 'basic' code is ok. What I noticed the most is case sensitivity, curly brackets{}, enums as parameters (no list). The biggest problem in doing .net well is not the languages so much as learning the frameworks and coming to grips with designing in an OO way IMO. If you want to see whats involved in building a 'best practice' data layer without too much work (hehe) sign up for the 30 day trial of codesmith www.codesmithtools.com , then grab the www.nettiers.com NetTiers template and give it a run over a small database. I've been writing C# for a couple of weeks, I suspect that a C# guru would know immediately I came from a VB background ;-))) I know I will get there though, its not THAT hard, just different. I'm also trying to come to grips with the ArcView object model and believe me that is no fun at all...... cheers Michael M -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro Sent: Tuesday, 16 May 2006 10:43 AM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? VB to C# is not too much of a stretch but VBA to C# is a stretch. -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 4:41 PM To: AccessD VB List Subject: [dba-VB] C#? Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. Ph: 9505-6714 Fax: 9505-6430 Email: KP at SDSOnline.net _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ebarro at verizon.net Mon May 15 20:36:50 2006 From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 18:36:50 -0700 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? In-Reply-To: <002101c67885$74e472f0$6601a8c0@office> Message-ID: <000c01c67889$346eff20$c767a8c0@amdgcda> I migrated my vba skills from Access to classic ASP applications and at the same time got into VB6 application programming but never really learned OOP principles. Transitioning to VB.NET didn't help any to learn OOP principles since it was just easy to continue programming in the same mindset. I migrated to C# last year and could still make do with VB-style programming to a certain extent but eventually learned the OOP way of developing applications. Prior to learning vba though I had classic C experience (Turbo C by Borland) so I already had the concept of C programming down. The biggest learning curve will be migrating to OOP ways. -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 6:10 PM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? Hi Eric - yeah, I'm finding it a stretch to go from vba to vb.net. I will now be working with 2 others who have a preference for C#. Just wondering about diff. between leaping vba to vb.net as opposed to vba to C#. Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Barro To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? VB to C# is not too much of a stretch but VBA to C# is a stretch. -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 4:41 PM To: AccessD VB List Subject: [dba-VB] C#? Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. Ph: 9505-6714 Fax: 9505-6430 Email: KP at SDSOnline.net _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 From kp at sdsonline.net Mon May 15 21:31:04 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 12:31:04 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? References: <000c01c67889$346eff20$c767a8c0@amdgcda> Message-ID: <001a01c67890$c7ff2a10$6601a8c0@office> I know what you mean about the mindset. I was given a big project to do this year and I started off really just converting the way I code in vba to vb.net. But I had a big 'what am I doing?' moment about a month ago and have now hired someone to design the OO architecture and I have to learn his mindset. It's quite illuminating. I am in the throws of learning it all now - object factories and class code generators etc etc. But that feeling of being 'master of absolutely nothing' is truly bad when you have a commitment to the client and a deadline....aaargh. ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Barro To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? I migrated my vba skills from Access to classic ASP applications and at the same time got into VB6 application programming but never really learned OOP principles. Transitioning to VB.NET didn't help any to learn OOP principles since it was just easy to continue programming in the same mindset. I migrated to C# last year and could still make do with VB-style programming to a certain extent but eventually learned the OOP way of developing applications. Prior to learning vba though I had classic C experience (Turbo C by Borland) so I already had the concept of C programming down. The biggest learning curve will be migrating to OOP ways. -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 6:10 PM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? Hi Eric - yeah, I'm finding it a stretch to go from vba to vb.net. I will now be working with 2 others who have a preference for C#. Just wondering about diff. between leaping vba to vb.net as opposed to vba to C#. Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Barro To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? VB to C# is not too much of a stretch but VBA to C# is a stretch. -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 4:41 PM To: AccessD VB List Subject: [dba-VB] C#? Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. Ph: 9505-6714 Fax: 9505-6430 Email: KP at SDSOnline.net _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kp at sdsonline.net Mon May 15 21:34:20 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 12:34:20 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? References: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D0116A601@ddi-01.DDI.local> Message-ID: <002301c67891$3d44d4f0$6601a8c0@office> Thanks for the links Michael - I am looking now... ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Maddison To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? I agree. Doing very 'basic' code is ok. What I noticed the most is case sensitivity, curly brackets{}, enums as parameters (no list). The biggest problem in doing .net well is not the languages so much as learning the frameworks and coming to grips with designing in an OO way IMO. If you want to see whats involved in building a 'best practice' data layer without too much work (hehe) sign up for the 30 day trial of codesmith www.codesmithtools.com , then grab the www.nettiers.com NetTiers template and give it a run over a small database. I've been writing C# for a couple of weeks, I suspect that a C# guru would know immediately I came from a VB background ;-))) I know I will get there though, its not THAT hard, just different. I'm also trying to come to grips with the ArcView object model and believe me that is no fun at all...... cheers Michael M -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro Sent: Tuesday, 16 May 2006 10:43 AM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? VB to C# is not too much of a stretch but VBA to C# is a stretch. -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 4:41 PM To: AccessD VB List Subject: [dba-VB] C#? Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. Ph: 9505-6714 Fax: 9505-6430 Email: KP at SDSOnline.net _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From chizotz at mchsi.com Tue May 16 10:15:22 2006 From: chizotz at mchsi.com (Ron Allen) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 15:15:22 +0000 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? Message-ID: <051620061515.26402.4469EC8A0004913E00006722219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF969B019607080C@mchsi.com> Hi Kath, I switched about 3 or 4 years ago. The learning curve was actually pretty shallow, I thought. Then again, I had a bit of prior experience with C and C++, so the syntax was reasonably familiar to me. The surface differences between C# and VB make them look pretty different, but once you get past that they are actually very similar to program in. C# uses curly braces to set off blocks of code. Also, every statement is terminated with a semicolon. So at first you think you're typing too much, but I've found, after coding in C# for awhile, that I like how everything is neatly set off. Here's an example that doesn't do anything meaningful... VB Dim i As Int32 Dim s As String For i = 1 To 10 s = Str(s) Next C# string s; for(int i = 1; i <= 10; i++) { s = i.ToString(); } These two blocks of code do exactly the same thing. They look different at first glance, but when you look closer they're very similar. If you put the effort into learning the syntax, you'll find that everything else you know from VB transfers pretty well to C#. Hope that helps :) Ron > Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning > curve is...... > > ______________________________________ > Kath Pelletti > Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. > Ph: 9505-6714 > Fax: 9505-6430 > Email: KP at SDSOnline.net > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Tue May 16 12:33:38 2006 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 10:33:38 -0700 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? In-Reply-To: <00fd01c67879$1531a9b0$6601a8c0@office> References: <00fd01c67879$1531a9b0$6601a8c0@office> Message-ID: <446A0CF2.8090502@shaw.ca> Differences in syntax between C# and VB.NET http://artshop.dotnet11.hostbasket.com/visualbasicexpert/Article_CvsVB.aspx There are many C# to VB.NET Converters and vis versa I am waiting for Fujitsu to come out with a Cobol.Net to VB.Net http://www.tangiblesoftwaresolutions.com/ Kath Pelletti wrote: >Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... > >______________________________________ >Kath Pelletti >Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. >Ph: 9505-6714 >Fax: 9505-6430 >Email: KP at SDSOnline.net > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From kp at sdsonline.net Tue May 16 18:18:36 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:18:36 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] Other lists Message-ID: <005f01c6793f$103272c0$6601a8c0@office> (Cross posted - AccessD and AccessD VB) Has anyone encountered a vb.net forum that posts email to members the way ours does? (Also for SQL Server?) ______________________________________ Kath Pelletti Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. Ph: 9505-6714 Fax: 9505-6430 Email: KP at SDSOnline.net From kp at sdsonline.net Tue May 16 18:33:39 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:33:39 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? References: <051620061515.26402.4469EC8A0004913E00006722219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF969B019607080C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <009e01c67941$29f86e60$6601a8c0@office> Thanks Ron. That actually tells me quite a lot. I might look at a smaller project in C# but not this massive one I'm on now - thanks for the post Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Allen To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 1:15 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? Hi Kath, I switched about 3 or 4 years ago. The learning curve was actually pretty shallow, I thought. Then again, I had a bit of prior experience with C and C++, so the syntax was reasonably familiar to me. The surface differences between C# and VB make them look pretty different, but once you get past that they are actually very similar to program in. C# uses curly braces to set off blocks of code. Also, every statement is terminated with a semicolon. So at first you think you're typing too much, but I've found, after coding in C# for awhile, that I like how everything is neatly set off. Here's an example that doesn't do anything meaningful... VB Dim i As Int32 Dim s As String For i = 1 To 10 s = Str(s) Next C# string s; for(int i = 1; i <= 10; i++) { s = i.ToString(); } These two blocks of code do exactly the same thing. They look different at first glance, but when you look closer they're very similar. If you put the effort into learning the syntax, you'll find that everything else you know from VB transfers pretty well to C#. Hope that helps :) Ron > Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning > curve is...... > > ______________________________________ > Kath Pelletti > Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. > Ph: 9505-6714 > Fax: 9505-6430 > Email: KP at SDSOnline.net > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From kp at sdsonline.net Tue May 16 18:36:40 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:36:40 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? References: <00fd01c67879$1531a9b0$6601a8c0@office> <446A0CF2.8090502@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <00a701c67941$95fc4190$6601a8c0@office> Great links - thanks Marty. I had no idea there were converters available commercially - just hadn't thought of it. One of the contractors here has a code generator in C# - maybe we'll convert it if we're running short of time, Cobol.net?? :) Kath ----- Original Message ----- From: MartyConnelly To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:33 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? Differences in syntax between C# and VB.NET http://artshop.dotnet11.hostbasket.com/visualbasicexpert/Article_CvsVB.aspx There are many C# to VB.NET Converters and vis versa I am waiting for Fujitsu to come out with a Cobol.Net to VB.Net http://www.tangiblesoftwaresolutions.com/ Kath Pelletti wrote: >Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... > >______________________________________ >Kath Pelletti >Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. >Ph: 9505-6714 >Fax: 9505-6430 >Email: KP at SDSOnline.net > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Wed May 17 02:02:02 2006 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 00:02:02 -0700 Subject: [dba-VB] Other lists In-Reply-To: <005f01c6793f$103272c0$6601a8c0@office> References: <005f01c6793f$103272c0$6601a8c0@office> Message-ID: <446ACA6A.70403@shaw.ca> ADVANCED-DOTNET VBDOTNET I subscribe to these http://discuss.develop.com/ The advanced one is more general and busy Kath Pelletti wrote: >(Cross posted - AccessD and AccessD VB) > >Has anyone encountered a vb.net forum that posts email to members the way ours does? (Also for SQL Server?) > >______________________________________ >Kath Pelletti >Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. >Ph: 9505-6714 >Fax: 9505-6430 >Email: KP at SDSOnline.net >_______________________________________________ >dba-VB mailing list >dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From martyconnelly at shaw.ca Wed May 17 02:18:44 2006 From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 00:18:44 -0700 Subject: [dba-VB] C#? In-Reply-To: <00a701c67941$95fc4190$6601a8c0@office> References: <00fd01c67879$1531a9b0$6601a8c0@office> <446A0CF2.8090502@shaw.ca> <00a701c67941$95fc4190$6601a8c0@office> Message-ID: <446ACE54.9070805@shaw.ca> I go back years with Cobol and keep in touch with the Big Iron guys even heard Admiral Grace Hopper lecture on Cobol Theoretically you could write any language compiler for .Net even APL. Yup, Net version has been out for about two years, not exactly an inexpensive product. It also integrates with Visual Basic. Fujitsu NetCOBOL for .NET Compiler http://www.netcobol.com/products/windows/netcobol.html Integrating Visual Basic with NetCobol http://www.netcobol.com/info/whitepaper/msdotnet12_01_whitepaper.htm http://www.netcobol.com/info/whitepaper/visualbas.htm http://www.netcobol.com/products/windows/cobol.htm#5 http://www.netcobol.com/info/whitepaper/Fujitsu_Best_of_COBOL_Best_of_GUI.pdf It produces Microsoft's Intermediate Language (MSIL) that executes under the Common Language Runtime (CLR). This language-neutral, platform independent environment enables COBOL code to be mixed with any other .NET- supporting language (such as C# and VB .NET) on any .NET-supporting platform. Microfocus has a similar product Net Express Kath Pelletti wrote: >Great links - thanks Marty. I had no idea there were converters available commercially - just hadn't thought of it. One of the contractors here has a code generator in C# - maybe we'll convert it if we're running short of time, > >Cobol.net?? :) > >Kath > ----- Original Message ----- > From: MartyConnelly > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:33 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? > > > Differences in syntax between C# and VB.NET > http://artshop.dotnet11.hostbasket.com/visualbasicexpert/Article_CvsVB.aspx > > There are many C# to VB.NET Converters and vis versa > I am waiting for Fujitsu to come out with a Cobol.Net to VB.Net > > http://www.tangiblesoftwaresolutions.com/ > > Kath Pelletti wrote: > > >Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... > > > >______________________________________ > >Kath Pelletti > >Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. > >Ph: 9505-6714 > >Fax: 9505-6430 > >Email: KP at SDSOnline.net > > > > > > > > -- > Marty Connelly > Victoria, B.C. > Canada > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-VB mailing list >dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada From kp at sdsonline.net Wed May 17 19:41:56 2006 From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 10:41:56 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] OT: Cobol.net References: <00fd01c67879$1531a9b0$6601a8c0@office> <446A0CF2.8090502@shaw.ca><00a701c67941$95fc4190$6601a8c0@office> <446ACE54.9070805@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <004701c67a13$ddf50ef0$6601a8c0@office> Amazing - I haven't worked in Cobol for 20 years. My first job as trainee Cobol programmer was to find a bug in a Cobol program that got put on my desk and the print was about 6" thick. Hmmm.....memories. Lots of 'go to's' and so I had rulers holding my place andf sticky notes everywhere. Yuk! ----- Original Message ----- From: MartyConnelly To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? I go back years with Cobol and keep in touch with the Big Iron guys even heard Admiral Grace Hopper lecture on Cobol Theoretically you could write any language compiler for .Net even APL. Yup, Net version has been out for about two years, not exactly an inexpensive product. It also integrates with Visual Basic. Fujitsu NetCOBOL for .NET Compiler http://www.netcobol.com/products/windows/netcobol.html Integrating Visual Basic with NetCobol http://www.netcobol.com/info/whitepaper/msdotnet12_01_whitepaper.htm http://www.netcobol.com/info/whitepaper/visualbas.htm http://www.netcobol.com/products/windows/cobol.htm#5 http://www.netcobol.com/info/whitepaper/Fujitsu_Best_of_COBOL_Best_of_GUI.pdf It produces Microsoft's Intermediate Language (MSIL) that executes under the Common Language Runtime (CLR). This language-neutral, platform independent environment enables COBOL code to be mixed with any other .NET- supporting language (such as C# and VB .NET) on any .NET-supporting platform. Microfocus has a similar product Net Express Kath Pelletti wrote: >Great links - thanks Marty. I had no idea there were converters available commercially - just hadn't thought of it. One of the contractors here has a code generator in C# - maybe we'll convert it if we're running short of time, > >Cobol.net?? :) > >Kath > ----- Original Message ----- > From: MartyConnelly > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:33 AM > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] C#? > > > Differences in syntax between C# and VB.NET > http://artshop.dotnet11.hostbasket.com/visualbasicexpert/Article_CvsVB.aspx > > There are many C# to VB.NET Converters and vis versa > I am waiting for Fujitsu to come out with a Cobol.Net to VB.Net > > http://www.tangiblesoftwaresolutions.com/ > > Kath Pelletti wrote: > > >Has anyone made the change from vba to C#? Just wondering how big the learning curve is...... > > > >______________________________________ > >Kath Pelletti > >Software Design and Solutions Pty Ltd. > >Ph: 9505-6714 > >Fax: 9505-6430 > >Email: KP at SDSOnline.net > > > > > > > > -- > Marty Connelly > Victoria, B.C. > Canada > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >_______________________________________________ >dba-VB mailing list >dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. Canada _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com