[dba-VB] Renaming DBA-VB

...I don't see any hidden costs in my work as yet ...I've converted a mid 
sized Access app for a client to a browser based one running on his intranet 
with .net3 and VWDE ...the open source Ajax Control Tool Kit along with MS's 
control extension abilities and SSE go together like peanutbutter and jelly 
...once you have the pieces in place and have worked through a few samples, 
its almost as easy as Access ...but you get really good speed from a server 
based app with the advantages of SQL Server as well.

...granted that I've not ventured far from the beaten path as you and Gustav 
are wont to do but then I'm still wondering why I waited so long, eh ...in 
all honesty I'd still be plugging away at vb if it weren't for all the 
sample code out there pulished in both vb and c# making it apparent that 
even a hack like me could write reasonably acceptable C# code.

...and you are definitely right about the similarities in writing code, 
designing forms, etc ...dotnet2 and above has so much built into the 
framework that one of the major advantages of Access, at least it always was 
to me, simply no longer applies ...once you sync your brain with the object 
inheritence paradyme, I'm convinced that I'm actually writing less code and 
getting more from it.

...and every line, every form, every table are all free, MS tool based 
...and they still get all the pros and cons of being part of the MS software 
stable ...my only concern right now is that MS will back off the express 
product line because there are so many like me who no longer need to invest 
thousands in their development tools every year ...with the client I 
mentioned above, the rationale behind standardizing on MS Office no longer 
exists and converting to one of the Open Office products is a real 
possibility ...that's a threat to the MS bread & butter.

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
To: <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Renaming DBA-VB


> Yes, William,
>
> And there are no hidden costs (?), are there? (I assume that MS Windows is
> the target platform of course...)
>
> And the move from VBA/VB6 to VB2005 (and C# 2.0) is usually smooth because
> there so many analogies between WinForms/ASP.Net and MS Access forms
> programming and because VB2005/C# 2.0 has all VBA/VB6 built-in functions
> implemented etc. ...
>
>
> --
> Shamil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 12:24 PM
> To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Renaming DBA-VB
>
> Shamil
>
> ...yes, free!!! ...the express products value has been simply incredible 
> for
>
> me ...I've yet to run into anything I could do with Access that I can't 
> find
>
> a way to do with one or more of the express products ...and the
> amount/quality of code/support available on-line is every bit as good ...I
> still tend to model an app in Access first but I'm now starting to deliver
> in VS/SQL Server ...and the client sales are soooooo much easier in most
> cases.
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
> To: <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 2:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Renaming DBA-VB
>
>
>> <<<
>> I was unaware of the product cost....
>>>>>
>> Hi Jim.
>>
>> Yes, I have just checked the price - it looks unaffordable for
>> small-/middle-size businesses. Yes, there is evaluation version but...
>>
>> I'd currently think that ASP.NET and C#/VB.NET(VS Express) + MS SQL 2005
>> Express/Access backend DB is the best ever available toolset for Web (and
>> whatever else) real life business applications development...
>>
>> And they are free for download and use, aren't they?...
>>
>>
>> --
>> Shamil
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 5:46 AM
>> To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Renaming DBA-VB
>>
>> I do not usually answer my own emails but...
>>
>> I must qualify my last comments as I was unaware of the product cost 
>> which
>> had me fumbling for my oxygen mask as soon as I saw it.
>>
>> Fortunately there are evaluation copies available.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:12 PM
>> To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Renaming DBA-VB
>>
>> I offer wonder why Ruby-on-rails is such a popular program considering
>> that
>> its performance is rated at one thirtieth of that of C and far below the
>> speed of any .Net flavour.
>>
>> A friend has recently been required to work with ROR and was not 
>> impressed
>> with performance and that it could be written so cryptic that he was
>> required to write extensive notes in the code.
>>
>> His recommendation for the finest .Net programming language is Eiffel:
>> http://archive.eiffel.com/doc/manuals/technology/dotnet/eiffelsharp/
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> <<< tail of the message trimmed to preserve some cyberspace >>>
>>
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