John W Colby
jwcolby at gmail.com
Wed Mar 18 13:11:23 CDT 2009
I am very interested in source control, always have been. I have never done it (though I have tried) simply because it didn't work and I had no one to fall back on for answers. I will certainly give Mark's instructions a shot and see what I see. I look at this as an additional tool in my box completely outside of this scrum project. Thanks Mark for researching this and setting it up. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Thank you, Mark, > > This is good news. > This is good that you made a proposal, and then came with a constructive solution very promptly :) > It's very much appreciated! > > Still I'd not force SCRUM team members to use this solution from the very beginning if they only do not want to try it by themselves: one of the main SCRUMMaster's roles AFAIG is to "shield" team members from any impediments coming from outside, especially from ProductOwner :) > > Well, I'm a kind of kidding for this certain our case with SCCS :) - in fact being a developer it is very tempting for me to try this solution with your server... > > But let's SCRUM team members decide by themselves? - please Gustav, Mike, John and Doug - based on tempting proposal of our respectful ProductOwner Mark would you like to start development next week with trying to setup SCC provided there will be first version of the source solution already there on our SCC Server? (I will try to put it there over weekend...) > > Thank you. > > -- > Shamil > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Breen <marklbreen at gmail.com> > To: Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>, "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com> > Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:17:38 +0000 > Subject: Fwd: to test > > >> Hello All, >> >> Having just read the responses from all my first comment is absolutely OK, I >> am product owner role in this project and as as such will try to adhere to just >> that role. >> >> However, let me tell you that since I sent my first email this morning about >> source control, I did some work before I read the additional emails that are >> leaning torwards not using SCCS, so I will report here on that work, and >> then the team can decide what they want to do. >> >> Shamil, I stress again here I am not attempting to push my opinions about >> source control, just offering you the choice here, as I have already done a >> little work on it today. >> >> I played with codeplex but found it terribly slow and eventually I did not >> get it to work for me, I then googled the errors I was getting and saw other >> had the same errors. >> >> ========== >> I have created a subversion server so if you want to use it, you must do the >> following four steps >> >> 1) download and install TortiseSVN from the following URL >> http://tortoisesvn.net/downloads obviously choose the windows version you >> need 32 bit probably. >> (should finish in less than five mins, you do not need to reboot) >> >> >> 2) create a folder on your PC where you would like the source code to be >> stored and saved for you to work on. This will be the main working folder >> you will use when running VS2008 >> eg c:\scrum code\ >> or >> c:\my documents\Visual Studio 2005 >> (should be very quick) >> >> >> 3) right click on the new folder and go to your new context sensitive menu >> item tortise SVN and then from the submenu, click "create repository here". >> See the attached JPG. You will receive a msg box with the message, The >> repository was successfully created. >> (should also take just 30 seconds) >> >> last step >> 4) You just need to do a check out, from the server, once, to allow the >> client to know the address and authentication details, remember to click the >> check box to "remember the authentication details" >> again see the second jpg that I have attached to this email. The jpg has >> two steps including in one picture. >> >> the url that you need is >> >> https://www.sjai.org:8443/svn/scrum01 >> once you say OK, you can accept the suggestion to create a new folder and >> then you will be prompted for your username and password >> the users I have created are as follows >> >> username password >> -------- -------- >> shamil shamil09 >> john john09 >> mike mike09 >> doug doub09 >> gustav gustav09 >> >> >> When you check out, you should receive one text file, I created this >> afternoon named test.txt Feel free to update it with your name and anything >> else you feel like, or create a few new files and commit them to our >> respository. >> >> We can create new projects when we need to, but we may be happy with keeping >> it simple for this project. >> >> I have tested this server here in Ireland with the big .bak file that Shamil >> sent and it works well, if you want to try uploading a larger file, feel >> free. >> >> Finally, these steps are all working here, so if you one person would like >> to check that they work for you also, before the entire team spends time on >> it, it would be better. >> >> let me add that if you have use source control, you will know that it is >> really easy to work with and >> >> thanks >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2009/3/18 Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> >> >> OK, Gustav, I agree, >> >> Let's postpone SCCS usage as I proposed in my answer on MArk message. >> >> CodePlex looks preferrable here now based on that information: >> >> >> http://codeplexclient.codeplex.com/Wiki/View.aspx?title=Workflow&referringTitle=Home >> >> but it's still unclear how much time it will get to have CodePlex (or >> other SCC systems) to be introduced on our PCs to develop NorthWind.NET, and >> we currently do not have time resources to try this or that option... >> >> Thank you. >> >> -- >> Shamil >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk> >> To: <mcp2004 at mail.ru> >> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:01:23 +0100 >> Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind .NET Product Bac kLog >> PlanningGame... >> >> > Hi Shamil >> > >> > I tend to agree. Both Bazaar and LaunchPad look clever but seem to >> require some effort to set up and test. >> > CodePlex seems, however, to work with Visual Studio though not the >> Express version, thus neither is this worth the efforts: >> > >> > >> http://codeplex.codeplex.com/Wiki/View.aspx?title=Obtaining%20the%20Team%20Explorer%20Client&referringTitle=Using%20CodePlex%20without%20VS-TFS >> > >> > /gustav >> > >> > >> > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> 17-03-2009 23:19 >>> >> > >> > Hi Mike and SCRUM team, >> > >> > If BAZAAR needs Python interpreter I'd not use it (at least now as we >> all need to learn a lot of new stuff) - on first glance I understood BAZZAR >> can be used locally by running command line utilites but for those >> utilities simple batch files should be possible to create (e.g. I used CVS >> this way), and if used via Lauchpad then somehow via web interface with >> upload/download and again coordinate locally using command line utils via >> .bat files... >> > >> > Let's not tie ourselves with Python if BAZAAR needs it? Although if >> Python interpreter and Bazaar installation is as simple as unzipping some >> files and setting some runtime environment variables then why not try to use >> them? >> > >> > Source control is desirable as it sets some boundaries to keep code >> well organized but in fact I suppose we can work without any source control >> system for this first project as there shoudln't be that much source files >> in it to share... >> > >> > Thank you. >> > >> > -- >> > Shamil >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-VB mailing list >> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mark >> >> ATTACHMENT: image/jpeg (creating a repository locally.JPG) >> ATTACHMENT: image/jpeg (checking out for the first time.JPG) >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >