John W Colby
jwcolby at gmail.com
Wed Mar 18 15:15:00 CDT 2009
Shamil, I receive "item seems to be missing" from the first link. I got it off the second link. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi SCRUM Team members, > > I have got estimations from Doug and I have made combined workbook with all estimatiions, which I have got published here on MS Live dba-VB: > > https://cid-000971dc34dc18c0.groups.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/.Documents/NorthWind.NET/ProductBackLog?uc=1&isFromRichUpload=1 > > Is it available for everybody? (please get MS Live ID if you still do not have it and make a request to join MS Live dba-VB) > > In the above workbook you can find that there is an AVG value of all estimations and manually corrected AVG value to fit the SCRUM evaluation numbers set: 0, 1/2, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 20, ??? > > The total number of ideal hours we have now is 86, which fits our original plan of 20x5 = 100 hours. > Please check my arithmetics and correct if there are some mistakes. > > If everybody feels OK with that evaluation we can get it as DONE and spend rest of the time during this week to try to get source code control up&running. > > If you feel not OK about some positions lets discuss them here - please post your considerations. > > Note: in real life product planing discussion/meetings it usually takes several rounds to come to a common set of evaluations but the total number of hours spent on this meeting should be within 4 hours. > > Please note also that (most of) the current evaluations (whatever they will finally be) will inevitably change during actual development... > > I have also put combined workbook temporarily here: > > http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/scrum/nwbl.zip > > Thank you. > > -- > Shamil > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> > To: dba-VB <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com> > Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:47:36 +0300 > Subject: Re: [dba-VB][AccessD] SCRUM: Northwind .NET Product BackLogPlanning Game... > > >> Hi SCRUM team members, >> >> Still no e-mail with estimations from Doug. >> I have asked him today again to make the estimation worksheet and to send it to me for me to make and to publish combined worksheet. >> >> Let's wait for today, and if the estimations from Doug will not come we can start discussion based on our estimations and then Doug will join us? >> >> Thank you. >> >> -- >> Shamil >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> >>> To: Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>, "Discussion concerning >>> Visual Basic and related programming issues." >>> <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com> >>> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:23:16 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind .NET Product BackLog Planning >>> Game... >>> >>> >>>> That sounds good to me also. >>>> >>>> John W. Colby >>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi SCRUM team at all, >>>>> >>>>> I have got ProductBacklog items estimations from Mike, Gustav, John >>>>> >>> and myself. >>> >>>>> I'm waiting for estimations to come from Doug. He has just informed >>>>> >>> me he has important private events today, and it may happen he will not >>> have time to make his estimations. >>> >>>>> What we can do now? I'd propose to wait for Doug's estimations to >>>>> >>> come, and meanwhile start constructive discussion how we can get this >>> project developed in context when we have different .NET experience but >>> taking into account that most of the work to do is simple for >>> experienced developers(whatever modern developmen tools they use) mainly >>> design and almost no coding work. At least it looks so from here (as >>> shown in some samples I have posted already on MS Live dba-VB Group's >>> SkyDrive). >>> >>>>> I'd expect that adding some simple introductory tutorials consisting >>>>> >>> mainly from screenshots we should be able to get the team members >>> beginning their .NET development practice skilled enough to develop any >>> NorthWind .NET form or report... >>> >>>>> I suppose we plan develop *not* "industry strong" .NET application >>>>> >>> in this project but a sample .NET Winform desktop application. When that >>> done we can go further... where? we will decide as we proceed... >>> >>>>> When I will get estimations from Doug I plan to post all of our >>>>> >>> estimations here - is that OK with you? >>> >>>>> I must say the current estimations do differ considerably therefore >>>>> >>> there is some work to do in coordinating them. >>> >>>>> In SCRUM four hours are usually spent for the ProductBackLog initial >>>>> >>> planning: I'd propose to "spread" these four hours within this week >>> discussion IOW no still real C# development within this week but >>> discussing ProductBacklog and planning first SCRUM Sprint and related >>> issues, and starting real development next Monday - OK? >>> >>>>> Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Shamil >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> >>>>> To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming >>>>> issues."<dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com> >>>>> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:15:09 +0300 >>>>> Subject: Re: [dba-VB]SCRUM: Northwind .NET Product BackLog Planning >>>>> >>> Game... >>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi SCRUM team at all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have got ProductBacklog items estimations from Mike. >>>>>> I have made mine over weekend. >>>>>> >>>>>> Waiting here for estimations from Gustav, Doug and John to come >>>>>> >>> today then I will immediately post all of them here to start >>> coordination of our estimations for everybody to get comfortable with >>> them, and to present them after coordination to ProductOwner (Mark) to >>> plan implementation/release... >>> >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Shamil >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru> >>>>>> To: dba-VB <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com> >>>>>> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:21:13 +0300 >>>>>> Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind .NET Product BackLog Planning >>>>>> >>> Game... >>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi SCRUM Team, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please estimate "ideal hours" to develop our first project product >>>>>>> >>> backlog items using "SCRUM planning poker cards" with the following >>> values: >>> >>>>>>> 0, 1/2, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 20, ??? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please send your estimations to me (Shamil.Salakhetdinov AT >>>>>>> >>> gmail.com) to make here a common worksheet with all the estimations to >>> use them on the next estimation round. >>> >>>>>>> Please do not post your estimations here on this first round to >>>>>>> make first round estimantions as independent as possible - >>>>>>> http://www.crisp.se/planningpoker/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Below is the list of BackLog items with some estimations I made - >>>>>>> just as examples. Three question marks estimation means that it's >>>>>>> unclear how much time it will take to make that item implemented >>>>>>> (Here it's a pivot form, which doesn't have built-in direct >>>>>>> correspondence in .NET WinForms hence it's unclear what we will do >>>>>>> >>>>>>> here and how much time this work will take. If you know the answer >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - please make your more definitive estimation for this item.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I made my below several estimations assuming we will use built-in >>>>>>> >>> WinForms features as in samples I used previously. >>> >>>>>>> I have made my own estimation of all the items already - it looks >>>>>>> >>> like we should fit well 100 hours (20x5). >>> >>>>>>> Please ask your questions. >>>>>>> Please make your estimations. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can download workbook with BackLog items here: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://cid-000971dc34dc18c0.groups.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/.D >>>>>>> ocuments/NorthWind.NET/SCRUM%7C_Planning%7C_Game.xls?ccr=365 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> or here: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www1.atwiki.com/dba-vb/pages/5.html >>>>>>> (http://www1.atwiki.com/dba-vb?cmd=upload&act=open&pageid=5&file=S >>>>>>> CRUM_Planning_Game.xls) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Shamil >>>>>>> >>>>>>> P.S. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> FORMS >>>>>>> ===== >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1 Categories >>>>>>> 2 Customer Labels Dialog => 1 >>>>>>> 3 Customer Orders >>>>>>> 4 Customer Orders Subform1 => 1 >>>>>>> 5 Customer Orders Subform2 >>>>>>> 6 Customer Phone List >>>>>>> 7 Customers => 2 >>>>>>> 8 Employees => 5 >>>>>>> 9 Main Switchboard >>>>>>> 10 Orders >>>>>>> 11 Orders Subform => 1 >>>>>>> 12 Product List >>>>>>> 13 Products >>>>>>> 14 Quarterly Orders >>>>>>> 15 Quarterly Orders Subform >>>>>>> 16 Sales Analysis => ??? >>>>>>> 17 Sales Analysis Subform1 => ??? >>>>>>> 18 Sales Analysis Subform2 => ??? >>>>>>> 19 Sales by Year Dialog >>>>>>> 20 Sales Reports Dialog >>>>>>> 21 Startup >>>>>>> 22 Suppliers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> REPORTS >>>>>>> ======= >>>>>>> 1 Alphabetical List of Products => 2 >>>>>>> 2 Catalog >>>>>>> 3 Catalog Subreport >>>>>>> 4 Customer Labels >>>>>>> 5 Employee Sales by Country >>>>>>> 6 Invoice => 5 >>>>>>> 7 Products by Category >>>>>>> 8 Sales by Category >>>>>>> 9 Sales by Category Subreport >>>>>>> 10 Sales by Year >>>>>>> 11 Sales by Year Subreport >>>>>>> 12 Sales Totals by Amount >>>>>>> 13 Summary of Sales by Quarter >>>>>>> 14 Summary of Sales by Year >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> dba-VB mailing list >>>>>>> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >>>>>>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> dba-VB mailing list >>>>>> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >>>>>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> dba-VB mailing list >>>>> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >>>>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-VB mailing list >> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >