Salakhetdinov Shamil
mcp2004 at mail.ru
Thu Mar 19 16:54:45 CDT 2009
Hi John, When we talked originally on this project it was planned to do it in one month with every team member spending not more than one hour within a working day, which totals to 20-22 hours per member per month - approx. 100 hours for 5 team members. (Note: anybody can spend that five hours within one day within a week if they have free time or split them within two days etc. but it's important to have equal amount of total time spent every week - important for planning/predictability etc. - to calculate team velocity...) If we will not fit 100 hours max value some of the ProductBackLog items will be left undone - then ProductOwner can decide shall there be a follow-up or not - this is how SCRUM process handles ProductBackLog items based on realistic approach/assumption/real life experience that if project time frame was underestimated then there should be some ProductBackLog items left undone: SCRUM team shouldn't work extra hours (for free) etc. to get all the work done... Yes, that may sound idealistic on first glance but the more projects a team completes the more precise their estimations become, and the more trust is created between team + SCRUMMaster and ProductOwner + StakeHolders/Users - the latter know/trust that SCRUM team does their best... Somehere in the middle when it will be more clear how well we perform (or earlier or later) ProductOwner could rearrange ProductBackLog items implementation sequence to have as much as possible and the most required items done within given (left) time frame (and budget in real life case)... Maybe I'm too optimistic but I currently suppose we should make all the forms/reports in less than 100 hours... Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: John W Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> To: Salakhetdinov Shamil <mcp2004 at mail.ru>, "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:05:00 -0400 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] SCRUM: Northwind .NET Product BackLogPlanningGame... > Is the max value a preconceived notion that we must fit? If the total > value is higher than 100 hours then the process should be able to handle > that. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > > Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > > > Do you mean that AVG value (corrected to fit SCRUM recommended numbers) should be better made higher for all the positions? For some positions - which ones? (If we will make estimation higher for all the positions then we will not fit max value of 100 hours (20x5)). > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- > > Shamil > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Mike Mattys" <mmattys at rochester.rr.com> > > To: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>,"Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com> > > Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:56:52 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB][AccessD] SCRUM: Northwind .NET Product BackLogPlanning Game... > > > > > >> I've got it, thanks. > >> I'll be most happy to submit a little higher estimate, > >> if called upon to do so! > >> > >> - > >> Michael R Mattys > >> MapPoint and Database Dev > >> www.mattysconsulting.com > >> - > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru> > >> To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." > >> <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com> > >> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 3:36 PM > >> Subject: Re: [dba-VB][AccessD] SCRUM: Northwind .NET Product BackLogPlanning > >> Game... > >> > >> > >> > >>> Hi SCRUM Team members, > >>> > >>> I have got estimations from Doug and I have made combined workbook with > >>> all estimatiions, which I have got published here on MS Live dba-VB: > >>> > >>> https://cid-000971dc34dc18c0.groups.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/.Documents/NorthWind.NET/ProductBackLog?uc=1&isFromRichUpload=1 > >>> > >>> Is it available for everybody? (please get MS Live ID if you still do not > >>> have it and make a request to join MS Live dba-VB) > >>> > >>> In the above workbook you can find that there is an AVG value of all > >>> estimations and manually corrected AVG value to fit the SCRUM evaluation > >>> numbers set: 0, 1/2, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 20, ??? > >>> > >>> The total number of ideal hours we have now is 86, which fits our original > >>> plan of 20x5 = 100 hours. > >>> Please check my arithmetics and correct if there are some mistakes. > >>> > >>> If everybody feels OK with that evaluation we can get it as DONE and spend > >>> rest of the time during this week to try to get source code control > >>> up&running. > >>> > >>> If you feel not OK about some positions lets discuss them here - please > >>> post your considerations. > >>> > >>> Note: in real life product planing discussion/meetings it usually takes > >>> several rounds to come to a common set of evaluations but the total number > >>> of hours spent on this meeting should be within 4 hours. > >>> > >>> Please note also that (most of) the current evaluations (whatever they > >>> will finally be) will inevitably change during actual development... > >>> > >>> I have also put combined workbook temporarily here: > >>> > >>> http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/scrum/nwbl.zip > >>> > >>> Thank you. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Shamil > >>> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > >