From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed May 6 15:35:57 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 22:35:57 +0200 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released Message-ID: Hi Shamil et al I've been busy with other tasks (for a living) ans still am at some extent so I've lost track of what the next step in the process or project is? Did we get the planned feedback from our "customer" of the project? /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 28-04-2009 21:34 >>> Hi All, Northwind.NET v.1.2 (sources and executables) released on http://northwind.codeplex.com/Release/ProjectReleases.aspx?ReleaseId=26600 This version has: 1) WinForms sample application with MS SQL 2005/2008 BE; 2) WinForms sample application with MS Access BE; 3) ASP.NET sample reporting website with MS Access BE. Thank you. -- Shamil From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com Thu May 7 00:31:39 2009 From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 01:31:39 -0400 Subject: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? References: <200904291826.n3TIQcBm000577@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: ...Alexd Dybenko linked your codeplex northwind.net site in his Alex & Access newsletter. William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:06 PM To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Subject: Re: [dba-VB]ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > > Thank you in advance, Robert. > > -- > Shamil > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Robert L. Stewart" > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:26:03 -0500 > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > >> Shamil, >> >> Since I have not done it yet, I cannot answer that. >> But, I will do some testing over the weekend and >> let you know what I find out. >> >> Robert >> >> At 12:00 PM 4/29/2009, you wrote: >> >Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:41:08 +0400 >> >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil >> >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? >> >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming >> > issues." >> >Message-ID: >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r >> > >> > >> >Hi Robert, >> > >> >I'm only starting with EF, and from other posts on Web I have got an >> >impression that it's not pssible to map selection SPs to entities in >> >VS2008 SP1 - is that correct information? (they say the mapping >> >feature exists in VS2010 to be released somewhere end of this year) >> > >> >Yes, I realize I can extend entities' (partial?) classes manually - >> >and use custom SPs in such extensions - are you doing something like >> >that? >> > >> >Thank you. >> > >> >-- >> >Shamil >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-VB mailing list >> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From accessd at shaw.ca Thu May 7 11:36:29 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 09:36:29 -0700 Subject: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? In-Reply-To: References: <200904291826.n3TIQcBm000577@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: For what it is worth, it has also been linked and 'Iframed' off the DBA (http://www.databaseadvisors.com) site. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:32 PM To: Salakhetdinov Shamil; Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? ...Alexd Dybenko linked your codeplex northwind.net site in his Alex & Access newsletter. William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:06 PM To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Subject: Re: [dba-VB]ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > > Thank you in advance, Robert. > > -- > Shamil > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Robert L. Stewart" > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:26:03 -0500 > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > >> Shamil, >> >> Since I have not done it yet, I cannot answer that. >> But, I will do some testing over the weekend and >> let you know what I find out. >> >> Robert >> >> At 12:00 PM 4/29/2009, you wrote: >> >Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:41:08 +0400 >> >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil >> >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? >> >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming >> > issues." >> >Message-ID: >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r >> > >> > >> >Hi Robert, >> > >> >I'm only starting with EF, and from other posts on Web I have got an >> >impression that it's not pssible to map selection SPs to entities in >> >VS2008 SP1 - is that correct information? (they say the mapping >> >feature exists in VS2010 to be released somewhere end of this year) >> > >> >Yes, I realize I can extend entities' (partial?) classes manually - >> >and use custom SPs in such extensions - are you doing something like >> >that? >> > >> >Thank you. >> > >> >-- >> >Shamil >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-VB mailing list >> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri May 8 08:37:45 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 17:37:45 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?U0NSVU06IE5vcnRod2luZC5ORVQgdi4xLjIgUmVsZWFz?= =?koi8-r?b?ZWQ=?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav at all, I must say I'm doing some programming for my customers here too. No, we didn't have that much feeback from our "customer" for the currently published version. The next planned steps are: - v.1.5 of Northwind.NET with MDI interface + navigation functionality separated into custom class(es) and tested using NUnit or MS Visual Studio testing features if that are freely available i.e. not part of MS VS Team System ; - v.2.0 of Northwind.NET with MDI interface - treeview driven with paged data retrieval + introducing Northwind Business Domain Model to use it for data entry/edit validation; I have also got proposal/request from Alex Dybenko to implement a brief video to show how to "wrap" .NET code into COM-callable classlibs as well to implement a sample Web Service delivering MS ADO recordsets to VBA clients to bind to e.g. MS Access Forms or to use in MS Excel worksheets... If anybody is free currently to implement any of the above functionality/samples or if anybody wanted to discuss them or to change the above todo list - let's discuss it here... Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 22:35:57 +0200 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released > Hi Shamil et al > > I've been busy with other tasks (for a living) ans still am at some extent so I've lost track of what the next step in the process or project is? > Did we get the planned feedback from our "customer" of the project? > > /gustav > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 28-04-2009 21:34 >>> > Hi All, > > Northwind.NET v.1.2 (sources and executables) released on > > http://northwind.codeplex.com/Release/ProjectReleases.aspx?ReleaseId=26600 > > This version has: > > 1) WinForms sample application with MS SQL 2005/2008 BE; > 2) WinForms sample application with MS Access BE; > 3) ASP.NET sample reporting website with MS Access BE. > > Thank you. > > -- > Shamil > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri May 8 08:42:22 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 17:42:22 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?QURPLk5FVCBFbnRpdHkgRnJhbWV3b3JrIC0gdG8gdXNl?= =?koi8-r?b?IG9yIG5vdD8=?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi William, Thank you for the note. Yes, I have exchanged some e-mails with Alex Dybenko, and he told me he liked what we're doing but I haven't seen his blog entry on northwind.codeplex.com http://accessblog.net/2009/05/northwindnet.html -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: "William Hindman" To: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" ,"Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 01:31:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [dba-VB]ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > ...Alexd Dybenko linked your codeplex northwind.net site in his Alex & > Access newsletter. > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:06 PM > To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB]ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > > > > > Thank you in advance, Robert. > > > > -- > > Shamil > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Robert L. Stewart" > > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com > > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:26:03 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > > > >> Shamil, > >> > >> Since I have not done it yet, I cannot answer that. > >> But, I will do some testing over the weekend and > >> let you know what I find out. > >> > >> Robert > >> > >> At 12:00 PM 4/29/2009, you wrote: > >> >Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:41:08 +0400 > >> >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil > >> >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > >> >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > >> > issues." > >> >Message-ID: > >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > >> > > >> > > >> >Hi Robert, > >> > > >> >I'm only starting with EF, and from other posts on Web I have got an > >> >impression that it's not pssible to map selection SPs to entities in > >> >VS2008 SP1 - is that correct information? (they say the mapping > >> >feature exists in VS2010 to be released somewhere end of this year) > >> > > >> >Yes, I realize I can extend entities' (partial?) classes manually - > >> >and use custom SPs in such extensions - are you doing something like > >> >that? > >> > > >> >Thank you. > >> > > >> >-- > >> >Shamil > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-VB mailing list > >> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri May 8 08:45:46 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 17:45:46 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?QURPLk5FVCBFbnRpdHkgRnJhbWV3b3JrIC0gdG8gdXNl?= =?koi8-r?b?IG9yIG5vdD8=?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you, Jim, I hope it will help to attract attention of more developers to this project as well as to provide some more participants to DatabaseAdvisors discussions... -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: "Jim Lawrence" To: "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'" Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 09:36:29 -0700 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > For what it is worth, it has also been linked and 'Iframed' off the DBA > (http://www.databaseadvisors.com) site. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:32 PM > To: Salakhetdinov Shamil; Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related > programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > > ...Alexd Dybenko linked your codeplex northwind.net site in his Alex & > Access newsletter. > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:06 PM > To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB]ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > > > > > Thank you in advance, Robert. > > > > -- > > Shamil > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Robert L. Stewart" > > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com > > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:26:03 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > > > >> Shamil, > >> > >> Since I have not done it yet, I cannot answer that. > >> But, I will do some testing over the weekend and > >> let you know what I find out. > >> > >> Robert > >> > >> At 12:00 PM 4/29/2009, you wrote: > >> >Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:41:08 +0400 > >> >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil > >> >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > >> >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > >> > issues." > >> >Message-ID: > >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > >> > > >> > > >> >Hi Robert, > >> > > >> >I'm only starting with EF, and from other posts on Web I have got an > >> >impression that it's not pssible to map selection SPs to entities in > >> >VS2008 SP1 - is that correct information? (they say the mapping > >> >feature exists in VS2010 to be released somewhere end of this year) > >> > > >> >Yes, I realize I can extend entities' (partial?) classes manually - > >> >and use custom SPs in such extensions - are you doing something like > >> >that? > >> > > >> >Thank you. > >> > > >> >-- > >> >Shamil > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-VB mailing list > >> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Sat May 9 06:06:23 2009 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 12:06:23 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello All, Sorry that I did not respond too much in recent weeks, as you all have, I am also rather busy here. However, I did want to let you know that two weeks ago, I did download and spend 3-4 hours playing with and reviewing the application that including at that time the navigation feature. The version that I got from Source control did load Gustav's navigator, and it looked good. The nodes were still from Gustav's original project, but for my own enjoyment, I did wire one of the nodes to the categories form and it appeared to work very well. I noticed that it prevented me from loading multiple instances of the same form, which I took to be a good thing. What I did not see, and currently assume that there is not an easy way to do it, is to use the navigator like the MS Access SwitchBoard manager. This would be a real addition to this utility, but I guess at that point we would look at all options, including purchasing an add-in. Regarding the reports, I just got them working today from VS2008, I currently cannot get them to run in Vista Ultimate, as a website, but that is most likely an environmental issue on my machine, however, I have already spent 2-3 hours on that today, IIS7 looks quite different to IIS6. What I do want to say is that the reports look really great, and I am quite excited to see how easily I can create similar reports myself. Shamil / Gustav, do I need to go anything for you for this project at this point ? I wish I could offer to more, but my terrible slowness with the .Net Environment kills me. I would love to participate at some level of hte unit tests, but I would need someone to help me to get started if I was to be of any use to you or me. Thanks Mark 2009/5/8 Salakhetdinov Shamil > Hi Gustav at all, > > I must say I'm doing some programming for my customers here too. > > No, we didn't have that much feeback from our "customer" for the currently > published version. > > The next planned steps are: > > - v.1.5 of Northwind.NET with MDI interface + navigation functionality > separated into custom class(es) and tested using NUnit or MS Visual Studio > testing features if that are freely available i.e. not part of MS VS Team > System ; > - v.2.0 of Northwind.NET with MDI interface - treeview driven with paged > data retrieval + introducing Northwind Business Domain Model to use it for > data entry/edit validation; > > I have also got proposal/request from Alex Dybenko to implement a brief > video to show how to "wrap" .NET code into COM-callable classlibs as well to > implement a sample Web Service delivering MS ADO recordsets to VBA clients > to bind to e.g. MS Access Forms or to use in MS Excel worksheets... > > If anybody is free currently to implement any of the above > functionality/samples or if anybody wanted to discuss them or to change the > above todo list - let's discuss it here... > > Thank you. > > -- > Shamil > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Gustav Brock" > To: > Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 22:35:57 +0200 > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released > > > Hi Shamil et al > > > > I've been busy with other tasks (for a living) ans still am at some > extent so I've lost track of what the next step in the process or project > is? > > Did we get the planned feedback from our "customer" of the project? > > > > /gustav > > > > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 28-04-2009 21:34 >>> > > Hi All, > > > > Northwind.NET v.1.2 (sources and executables) released on > > > > > http://northwind.codeplex.com/Release/ProjectReleases.aspx?ReleaseId=26600 > > > > This version has: > > > > 1) WinForms sample application with MS SQL 2005/2008 BE; > > 2) WinForms sample application with MS Access BE; > > 3) ASP.NET sample reporting website with MS Access BE. > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- > > Shamil > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue May 12 14:36:03 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:36:03 +0200 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released Message-ID: Hi all Still recovering from a second instance of the flu (not H1N1A) within 6 months (what did I do?) browsing hundreds of messages, I'm a bit late on forwarding this from Shamil which was trapped by some stupid spam filter somewhere on the 10th of May: Hi Mark and All, This project was started as SCRUM one, which (SCRUM) implies a lot of teamwork and a lot of feedback. So far it was not that much (as expected) teamwork (mainly on evaluation/start-up phase) and almost none feedback. We have to handle these issues right now - and I'm asking for your advise how you wanted to approach those issues and to effectively solve them. Let's call the current phase of our project a retrospection phase, and let's have it deadlines set for two weeks: 11-MAY-09 - 25-MAY-09. All and every opinions and proposals are very welcome. Let's freeze work on v.1.5 and v.2.0 during these weeks - I personally can't handle quickly them alone as I have to work for my customers, and making v.1.5 and v.2.0 as a team is looking now questionable (please correct me if I'm wrong) as we do not have currently a team with intermediate/advanced C#/SQL development qualification and personal tutoring of beginning C# developers, which can be done currently only by Gustav and myself, is very time consuming. As well we do not have active discussion on detailed v.1.5 and v.2.0 functionality and in SCRUM the requirements are defined by ProductOwner/stake holders/customers/external audience/market demands not by the SCRUMMaster/SCRUM team developers (as developers tend to do more what they like to do (fun and sometimes tricky programming) not the real life software development - we all know that from our own experience ) If you look at the project downloads/pages views/visits stats here: http://northwind.codeplex.com/stats you'll find that we have got 500+ downloads during last 20 days - that's not bad at all. But from that 500+ downloads we have got just one review and link (from Alex Dybenko), and we have got linked by Jim Lawrence from AccessAdvisors site. The 500+ downloads show that there is an interest of developers to the subject of this project but absence of feedback is confusing (here) as I wanted to have this project to be feedback/market demand driven not just as exercises in teamwork/learning by doing experience. Of course exercises in teamwork and learning by doing experience are useful but without active feedback we risk to end up doing "mad scientist exercises" not learning/demonstrating real development stuff applicable in real life business software development... How well feedback works shows the fact of my contacting with Alex Dybenko and giving him an url to northwind.codeplex.com (that time without "Welcome", "Mission Statement" etc. info and having just Northwind.NET with MS SQL backend) - I must say first reaction of Alex was rather skeptical but after I added "Welcome", "Mission Statement" etc. (and Arthur and Gustav edited this text), and I have also made downgrading Northwind.NET to use MS Access backend, as well as ASP.NET reporting sample with MS Access backend, then added COM callable classlib contacting web service - after that I have got positive feedback from Alex and he blogged on our project and also Jim Lawrence referred northwind.codeplex.com from AccessAdvisors web site - as you can see just one feedback contact resulted in "some fluctuations" of our roadmap, which brought 500+ downloads... I do think that the most important task now is to get active feedback, which will make corrections to our roadmap and which will drive our development: the best tool we can use now is the "Word Of Mouth" to persuade developers who get our stuff downloaded to give us active *constructive* feedback (as Alex Dybenko did) for us to "convert this feedback" into even more interesting stuff to get downloaded by developers and used by them not only "to individually dig out into samples" but to have the stuff ready to be applied (with some rework/additional work) to their everyday (IT development) business tasks... As for tutoring our team C# development beginners - as I noted above doing that personally is very time consuming - the idea is to somehow make this personal tutoring/coaching publicly available (that public availability will bring even more feedback I expect), and we can do that by publishing short sample videos. But making such videos the way I did it by taking screenshots, then putting them into MS Movie Maker, then adding comments etc. is not looking as the right/professional way to do (and is time consuming) - I suppose that using Camtasia Studio (http://www.techsmith.com/camtasia.asp) would be more effective and would produce more useful videos. And we can make such videos as a team by sharing the tasks: one gets prepared scenarios, one gets video recorded, another one with native English makes voice recording, another one makes all kinds of video effects etc. But Camtasia Studio isn't free (USD299) - if it would be possible to get a shared license for our team (just for USD299?) I'd not mind to invest some money in purchasing it... What do you think about all the above? Please make your proposals how to activate feedback - please "brain-storm" this issue assuming we have unlimited resources - when analysing proposals we will sort out/put on hold proposals we can't work with now because of some limitations... Thank you. -- Shamil >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 09-05-2009 13:06 >>> Shamil / Gustav, do I need to go anything for you for this project at this point ? From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue May 12 16:10:43 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 01:10:43 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?U0NSVU06IE5vcnRod2luZC5ORVQgdi4xLjIgUmVsZWFz?= =?koi8-r?b?ZWQ=?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you, Gustav, for forwarding my e-mail. I wish you got recovered from flu ASAP. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:36:03 +0200 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released > Hi all > > Still recovering from a second instance of the flu (not H1N1A) within 6 months (what did I do?) browsing hundreds of messages, I'm a bit late on forwarding this from Shamil which was trapped by some stupid spam filter somewhere on the 10th of May: > > Hi Mark and All, > > This project was started as SCRUM one, which (SCRUM) implies a lot of > teamwork and a lot of feedback. So far it was not that much (as expected) > teamwork (mainly on evaluation/start-up phase) and almost none feedback. We > have to handle these issues right now - and I'm asking for your advise how <<< skip >>> From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed May 13 06:25:17 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:25:17 +0200 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released Message-ID: Hi Shamil Well, that download count is already at 600+, so I think you are right - the description and purpose really makes a difference. Actually, I'm convinced it has, as I often myself have felt lost when studying a project at SourceForce or elsewhere with pages of change logs but nearly nothing about what the project is for or why I should download it not to say get involved. Very nerdy, and we all are so busy so spending half an hour to find out what you could have read in two minutes from a text is not going to happen. I have no formula to get the teamwork to operate more smoothly. Two problems exist. First, the different level/experience of the members; second, the lack of priority. The first is natural with the diverse backgrounds and interests we have. However, I don't think anyone expects special education videos, only advice and links to relevant material. When you take the time to make a video I'm impressed, as I wouldn't know where to get the time to create such even though it could be fun. The second as hard too, as most of us have a job for a living and also - for some - even a life of some kind (even Drew who used to burn his house down but I think he stopped that activity). Thus, projects like this will be assigned second priority and this can mean zero attention for days, even weeks. This could perhaps be met by some members working together as one "member" hoping that at least one is active. Of course, just a few more participants would help a lot, and perhaps some discussion can attract some. Yes, that's you - the reader - feel free to join! At this moment I've already learnt a lot - having seen the value of subversion in action is alone worth all the trouble - and I would love to experience the SCRUM process in full too - at this moment I think we have had only a little more than the smell of it - just enough to feel the potential. /gustav >>> Gustav at cactus.dk 12-05-2009 21:36 >>> Hi all Still recovering from a second instance of the flu (not H1N1A) within 6 months (what did I do?) browsing hundreds of messages, I'm a bit late on forwarding this from Shamil which was trapped by some stupid spam filter somewhere on the 10th of May: Hi Mark and All, This project was started as SCRUM one, which (SCRUM) implies a lot of teamwork and a lot of feedback. So far it was not that much (as expected) teamwork (mainly on evaluation/start-up phase) and almost none feedback. We have to handle these issues right now - and I'm asking for your advise how you wanted to approach those issues and to effectively solve them. Let's call the current phase of our project a retrospection phase, and let's have it deadlines set for two weeks: 11-MAY-09 - 25-MAY-09. All and every opinions and proposals are very welcome. Let's freeze work on v.1.5 and v.2.0 during these weeks - I personally can't handle quickly them alone as I have to work for my customers, and making v.1.5 and v.2.0 as a team is looking now questionable (please correct me if I'm wrong) as we do not have currently a team with intermediate/advanced C#/SQL development qualification and personal tutoring of beginning C# developers, which can be done currently only by Gustav and myself, is very time consuming. As well we do not have active discussion on detailed v.1.5 and v.2.0 functionality and in SCRUM the requirements are defined by ProductOwner/stake holders/customers/external audience/market demands not by the SCRUMMaster/SCRUM team developers (as developers tend to do more what they like to do (fun and sometimes tricky programming) not the real life software development - we all know that from our own experience ) If you look at the project downloads/pages views/visits stats here: http://northwind.codeplex.com/stats you'll find that we have got 500+ downloads during last 20 days - that's not bad at all. But from that 500+ downloads we have got just one review and link (from Alex Dybenko), and we have got linked by Jim Lawrence from AccessAdvisors site. The 500+ downloads show that there is an interest of developers to the subject of this project but absence of feedback is confusing (here) as I wanted to have this project to be feedback/market demand driven not just as exercises in teamwork/learning by doing experience. Of course exercises in teamwork and learning by doing experience are useful but without active feedback we risk to end up doing "mad scientist exercises" not learning/demonstrating real development stuff applicable in real life business software development... How well feedback works shows the fact of my contacting with Alex Dybenko and giving him an url to northwind.codeplex.com (that time without "Welcome", "Mission Statement" etc. info and having just Northwind.NET with MS SQL backend) - I must say first reaction of Alex was rather skeptical but after I added "Welcome", "Mission Statement" etc. (and Arthur and Gustav edited this text), and I have also made downgrading Northwind.NET to use MS Access backend, as well as ASP.NET reporting sample with MS Access backend, then added COM callable classlib contacting web service - after that I have got positive feedback from Alex and he blogged on our project and also Jim Lawrence referred northwind.codeplex.com from AccessAdvisors web site - as you can see just one feedback contact resulted in "some fluctuations" of our roadmap, which brought 500+ downloads... I do think that the most important task now is to get active feedback, which will make corrections to our roadmap and which will drive our development: the best tool we can use now is the "Word Of Mouth" to persuade developers who get our stuff downloaded to give us active *constructive* feedback (as Alex Dybenko did) for us to "convert this feedback" into even more interesting stuff to get downloaded by developers and used by them not only "to individually dig out into samples" but to have the stuff ready to be applied (with some rework/additional work) to their everyday (IT development) business tasks... As for tutoring our team C# development beginners - as I noted above doing that personally is very time consuming - the idea is to somehow make this personal tutoring/coaching publicly available (that public availability will bring even more feedback I expect), and we can do that by publishing short sample videos. But making such videos the way I did it by taking screenshots, then putting them into MS Movie Maker, then adding comments etc. is not looking as the right/professional way to do (and is time consuming) - I suppose that using Camtasia Studio (http://www.techsmith.com/camtasia.asp) would be more effective and would produce more useful videos. And we can make such videos as a team by sharing the tasks: one gets prepared scenarios, one gets video recorded, another one with native English makes voice recording, another one makes all kinds of video effects etc. But Camtasia Studio isn't free (USD299) - if it would be possible to get a shared license for our team (just for USD299?) I'd not mind to invest some money in purchasing it... What do you think about all the above? Please make your proposals how to activate feedback - please "brain-storm" this issue assuming we have unlimited resources - when analysing proposals we will sort out/put on hold proposals we can't work with now because of some limitations... Thank you. -- Shamil >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 09-05-2009 13:06 >>> Shamil / Gustav, do I need to go anything for you for this project at this point ? From robert at webedb.com Wed May 13 13:09:37 2009 From: robert at webedb.com (Robert Stewart) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:09:37 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200905131810.n4DIA7pV002070@databaseadvisors.com> Guys, I got in late on this project you are trying to do. I have downloaded the project. I have downloaded the Northwind database and attached it on SQL 2008. I have change the database connection in settings.settings to my SQL Server. I cannot get to the data. Is there something I am missing? I would like to get it running so I can give you feedback on it. Robert At 12:00 PM 5/13/2009, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:25:17 +0200 >From: "Gustav Brock" >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released >To: >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > >Hi Shamil > >Well, that download count is already at 600+, so I think you are >right - the description and purpose really makes a difference. >Actually, I'm convinced it has, as I often myself have felt lost >when studying a project at SourceForce or elsewhere with pages of >change logs but nearly nothing about what the project is for or why >I should download it not to say get involved. Very nerdy, and we all >are so busy so spending half an hour to find out what you could have >read in two minutes from a text is not going to happen. > >I have no formula to get the teamwork to operate more smoothly. Two >problems exist. First, the different level/experience of the >members; second, the lack of priority. >The first is natural with the diverse backgrounds and interests we >have. However, I don't think anyone expects special education >videos, only advice and links to relevant material. When you take >the time to make a video I'm impressed, as I wouldn't know where to >get the time to create such even though it could be fun. >The second as hard too, as most of us have a job for a living and >also - for some - even a life of some kind (even Drew who used to >burn his house down but I think he stopped that activity). Thus, >projects like this will be assigned second priority and this can >mean zero attention for days, even weeks. This could perhaps be met >by some members working together as one "member" hoping that at >least one is active. > >Of course, just a few more participants would help a lot, and >perhaps some discussion can attract some. Yes, that's you - the >reader - feel free to join! > >At this moment I've already learnt a lot - having seen the value of >subversion in action is alone worth all the trouble - and I would >love to experience the SCRUM process in full too - at this moment I >think we have had only a little more than the smell of it - just >enough to feel the potential. > >/gustav From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed May 13 14:10:34 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 23:10:34 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?U0NSVU06IE5vcnRod2luZC5ORVQgdi4xLjIgUmVsZWFz?= =?koi8-r?b?ZWQ=?= In-Reply-To: <200905131810.n4DIA7pV002070@databaseadvisors.com> References: <200905131810.n4DIA7pV002070@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Hi Robert, Please have a look at this entry: http://northwind.codeplex.com/SourceControl/changeset/view/11345#134202 If it will not help please write in more details what is happening on your PC? What error messages are you getting? Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stewart To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:09:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released > Guys, > > I got in late on this project you are trying to do. > I have downloaded the project. > I have downloaded the Northwind database and attached it on SQL 2008. > I have change the database connection in settings.settings to my SQL Server. > > I cannot get to the data. > Is there something I am missing? > > I would like to get it running so I can give you feedback on it. > > Robert > > At 12:00 PM 5/13/2009, you wrote: > >Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:25:17 +0200 > >From: "Gustav Brock" > >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released > >To: > >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > > >Hi Shamil > > > >Well, that download count is already at 600+, so I think you are > >right - the description and purpose really makes a difference. > >Actually, I'm convinced it has, as I often myself have felt lost > >when studying a project at SourceForce or elsewhere with pages of > >change logs but nearly nothing about what the project is for or why > >I should download it not to say get involved. Very nerdy, and we all > >are so busy so spending half an hour to find out what you could have > >read in two minutes from a text is not going to happen. > > > >I have no formula to get the teamwork to operate more smoothly. Two > >problems exist. First, the different level/experience of the > >members; second, the lack of priority. > >The first is natural with the diverse backgrounds and interests we > >have. However, I don't think anyone expects special education > >videos, only advice and links to relevant material. When you take > >the time to make a video I'm impressed, as I wouldn't know where to > >get the time to create such even though it could be fun. > >The second as hard too, as most of us have a job for a living and > >also - for some - even a life of some kind (even Drew who used to > >burn his house down but I think he stopped that activity). Thus, > >projects like this will be assigned second priority and this can > >mean zero attention for days, even weeks. This could perhaps be met > >by some members working together as one "member" hoping that at > >least one is active. > > > >Of course, just a few more participants would help a lot, and > >perhaps some discussion can attract some. Yes, that's you - the > >reader - feel free to join! > > > >At this moment I've already learnt a lot - having seen the value of > >subversion in action is alone worth all the trouble - and I would > >love to experience the SCRUM process in full too - at this moment I > >think we have had only a little more than the smell of it - just > >enough to feel the potential. > > > >/gustav > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From robert at webedb.com Thu May 14 15:36:15 2009 From: robert at webedb.com (Robert Stewart) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 15:36:15 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200905142036.n4EKamrk010250@databaseadvisors.com> Like a dummy, I found the database in the download. That was the problem. Feedback coming later. At 12:00 PM 5/14/2009, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 23:10:34 +0400 >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > issues." >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > > >Hi Robert, > >Please have a look at this entry: > >http://northwind.codeplex.com/SourceControl/changeset/view/11345#134202 > >If it will not help please write in more details what is happening >on your PC? What error messages are you getting? > >Thank you. > >-- >Shamil From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri May 15 05:35:05 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 14:35:05 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?U0NSVU06IE5vcnRod2luZC5ORVQgdi4xLjIgUmVsZWFz?= =?koi8-r?b?ZWQ=?= In-Reply-To: <200905142036.n4EKamrk010250@databaseadvisors.com> References: <200905142036.n4EKamrk010250@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Thank you, Robert. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stewart To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 15:36:15 -0500 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released > Like a dummy, I found the database in the download. That was the problem. > Feedback coming later. > > At 12:00 PM 5/14/2009, you wrote: > >Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 23:10:34 +0400 > >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil > >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released > >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > > issues." > >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > > > > > >Hi Robert, > > > >Please have a look at this entry: > > > >http://northwind.codeplex.com/SourceControl/changeset/view/11345#134202 > > > >If it will not help please write in more details what is happening > >on your PC? What error messages are you getting? > > > >Thank you. > > > >-- > >Shamil > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Sat May 16 04:33:55 2009 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 17:33:55 +0800 Subject: [dba-VB] free VS2005 / VS2008 add-in for Tortoise SVN Message-ID: Hello All, I downloaded and have been using for a few days a free openssource add-in named ANKH for Tortoise and SVN. It works perfectly, once you get the installation versions correct. There are Tortoise Versions 1.5.x and 1.6.x and you have to choose the matching version of ANKH. Once you do that, you get full SCCS included in VS2005. I have not yet tested VS2008 but they report that it works. HTH Mark From marklbreen at gmail.com Sat May 16 12:06:39 2009 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 01:06:39 +0800 Subject: [dba-VB] free VS2005 / VS2008 add-in for Tortoise SVN - SCRUM Message-ID: Hi all, justed updated the subject line here for those that have a filter for SCRUM. thanks Mark 2009/5/16 Mark Breen > Hello All, > > I downloaded and have been using for a few days a free openssource add-in > named ANKH for Tortoise and SVN. > > It works perfectly, once you get the installation versions correct. There > are Tortoise Versions 1.5.x and 1.6.x and you have to choose the matching > version of ANKH. > > Once you do that, you get full SCCS included in VS2005. I have not yet > tested VS2008 but they report that it works. > > HTH > > Mark > > > > > From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed May 20 13:09:26 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 14:09:26 -0400 Subject: [dba-VB] Column's not declared by column name Message-ID: I used VB Express 8.0 to retrieve a dataset from Northwind's Customers table. I dragged that onto a form to create a quick datagridview control. I wanted to disable the automatic column sorting for a specific column, so I added the following to the form's Load event: Me.DataGridViewTextBoxContactTitle.SortMode = DataGridViewColumnSortMode.NotSortable where ContactTitle is the column's name. It returned a Build error that the column wasn't a member of the form. Using Intellisense, I could see that it doesn't list the columns by name, but by number. I substitued ContactTitle with Column4, and it works just fine. I don't get it -- is there a setting that I need to flag differently or something? This goes against every guideline I know! Susan H. From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed May 20 13:55:42 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 14:55:42 -0400 Subject: [dba-VB] How to limit number of rows in datagridview control Message-ID: <38C545EDDC8843FDA34B0503888A4CE3@SusanOne> Using VB Express 8, I added the following to a form class with a datagridview control, expecting it to limit the number of rows displayed in the grid, so that the edit row is immediately visible. It doesn't return an error, but it doesn't seem to do anything at all either -- view is the same with or without this sub. Private Sub CustomersDataGridView_RowValidated(ByVal sender As Object, ByVal e As System.Windows.Forms.DataGridViewCellEventArgs) Handles CustomersDataGridView.RowValidated CustomersDataGridView.FirstDisplayedScrollingRowIndex = CustomersDataGridView.Rows.Count - 5 End Sub Susan H. From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu May 21 10:54:45 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 17:54:45 +0200 Subject: [dba-VB] Scrum FW: www.daptiv.com Message-ID: Hi Rocky Thanks! Looks though like a tool aimed at enterprises at a not published (= enterprise level) cost. /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 18-05-2009 23:55 >>> Dear Scrummers: I got a call from this guy last week. Thought the info might be of interest to you guys. HTH Rocky ________________________________ From: Richard Hawes [mailto:rhawes at daptiv.com] Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 2:46 PM To: info at bchacc.com Subject: www.daptiv.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu May 21 11:32:38 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 12:32:38 -0400 Subject: [dba-VB] SOLVED Fw: How to limit number of rows in datagridview control Message-ID: Okay, the statement didn't require a sub of its own. I dropped the statement into the existing sub that filled the tableadapter and it works just fine! Susan H. > Okay, after discussing this a bit with Charlotte, she says the problem is > the TableAdaptor -- the VB Configuration Wizard uses a TableAdapter to > populate the control. I'm researching this morning, but I can't seem to > find anything on editing the TableAdaptor to show only the last few > records and the edit row, instead of displaying all of the records. > > Any help? > > Susan H. > >> Using VB Express 8, I added the following to a form class with a >> datagridview control, expecting it to limit the number of rows displayed >> in the grid, so that the edit row is immediately visible. It doesn't >> return an error, but it doesn't seem to do anything at all either -- view >> is the same with or without this sub. >> >> Private Sub CustomersDataGridView_RowValidated(ByVal sender As Object, >> ByVal e As System.Windows.Forms.DataGridViewCellEventArgs) Handles >> CustomersDataGridView.RowValidated >> >> CustomersDataGridView.FirstDisplayedScrollingRowIndex = >> CustomersDataGridView.Rows.Count - 5 >> >> End Sub >> >> Susan H. >> > From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu May 21 10:34:38 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 11:34:38 -0400 Subject: [dba-VB] Fw: How to limit number of rows in datagridview control Message-ID: Okay, after discussing this a bit with Charlotte, she says the problem is the TableAdaptor -- the VB Configuration Wizard uses a TableAdapter to populate the control. I'm researching this morning, but I can't seem to find anything on editing the TableAdaptor to show only the last few records and the edit row, instead of displaying all of the records. Any help? Susan H. > Using VB Express 8, I added the following to a form class with a > datagridview control, expecting it to limit the number of rows displayed > in the grid, so that the edit row is immediately visible. It doesn't > return an error, but it doesn't seem to do anything at all either -- view > is the same with or without this sub. > > Private Sub CustomersDataGridView_RowValidated(ByVal sender As Object, > ByVal e As System.Windows.Forms.DataGridViewCellEventArgs) Handles > CustomersDataGridView.RowValidated > > CustomersDataGridView.FirstDisplayedScrollingRowIndex = > CustomersDataGridView.Rows.Count - 5 > > End Sub > > Susan H. > From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu May 21 12:02:57 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 19:02:57 +0200 Subject: [dba-VB] Fw: How to limit number of rows in datagridview control Message-ID: Hi Susan That's not the purpose of a DataTableAdapter. But you could achieve this by adjusting the SQL of the query in the adapter (right-click on it, pick Modify SQL). This is, however, what Shamil refers to as "custom in-line SQL" and warns against as it can be difficult to maintain. He has a point and recommends building a SP that produce the desired limited output and then create an adapter for that. I have used the modified SQL method a lot and have no problem with it, so this is a matter of preference, previous experience, how you define this - as belonging to the database or (as a business rule) to the application, and who is going to maintain the system in the future. As alway in .Net - many ways to skin the cat. /gustav >>> ssharkins at gmail.com 21-05-2009 17:34 >>> Okay, after discussing this a bit with Charlotte, she says the problem is the TableAdaptor -- the VB Configuration Wizard uses a TableAdapter to populate the control. I'm researching this morning, but I can't seem to find anything on editing the TableAdaptor to show only the last few records and the edit row, instead of displaying all of the records. Any help? Susan H. > Using VB Express 8, I added the following to a form class with a > datagridview control, expecting it to limit the number of rows displayed > in the grid, so that the edit row is immediately visible. It doesn't > return an error, but it doesn't seem to do anything at all either -- view > is the same with or without this sub. > > Private Sub CustomersDataGridView_RowValidated(ByVal sender As Object, > ByVal e As System.Windows.Forms.DataGridViewCellEventArgs) Handles > CustomersDataGridView.RowValidated > > CustomersDataGridView.FirstDisplayedScrollingRowIndex = > CustomersDataGridView.Rows.Count - 5 > > End Sub > > Susan H. From administrivia at databaseadvisors.com Sat May 23 14:03:33 2009 From: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com (administrivia at databaseadvisors.com) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 16:03:33 -0300 Subject: [dba-VB] Acai Diet will burn your unwanted fat. 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In a recent Harvard Business Review interview of Toyota's president, he observed, "...when 70 years of very small improvements accumulate, they become a revolution. http://www.infoq.com/presentations/born-to-cycle Thank you. --- Shamil From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue May 26 15:21:39 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 00:21:39 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?RllJOiBTQ1JVTS9BZ2lsZTogVGhlIEpveXMgYW5kIFBh?= =?koi8-r?b?aW5zIG9mIGEgTG9uZyBMaXZlZCBDb2RlYmFzZQ==?= Message-ID: Presented by Jeremy D. Miller on May 24, 2009 07:26 AM In this presentation recorded at QCon SF 2008, Jeremy D. Miller shares lessons learned while developing a project over 5 years. He talks about his mistakes, what to avoid and how to design, code and test better. http://www.infoq.com/presentations/Lessons-Learned-Jeremy-Miller --- Shamil From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed May 27 04:02:58 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:02:58 +0200 Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle Message-ID: Hi Shamil Thanks for these links. If someone get the idea that it was time for a little relax, you keep us busy! /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 26-05-2009 19:28 >>> Born To Cycle Agile development is not about doing a set of practices, it's about a way of "being," it's about learning. How is this learning accomplished? By taking brief pauses after small experiments, even large problems can be solved. In a recent Harvard Business Review interview of Toyota's president, he observed, "...when 70 years of very small improvements accumulate, they become a revolution. http://www.infoq.com/presentations/born-to-cycle Thank you. --- Shamil From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed May 27 10:59:56 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:59:56 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?RllJOiBTQ1JVTS9BZ2lsZSAtIEJvcm4gVG8gQ3ljbGU=?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav and all, Thank you for your joyful note, Gustav :) I posted the link on Linda Rising's presentation on QCon 2008 to point on an interesting fact/proven by many experiments investigation she is "cycling" through: I mean that to be productive one better work in 90 minutes long non-interrupting cycles, and then make a break for 20-30 minues switching on doing something very different. She is also noting that human's brain multi-tasking is unnatural activity and in long run it not only harms one's health but it also doesn't result in overall higher results/outputs achieved - in fact the opposite is true - the overall results/outputs are lower, the quality are lower also etc. ... And now getting back to NorthWind.NET :) As far as I see there is no that much activity here retrospecting this project. That's a pity as without retrospection making another project the same way would result in the same errors and incosistencies. Still I wanted to make some Northwind.NET follow-up projects but this time doing really teamwork with nearly equal share of workload and this time using 90 minutes long (daily) SPRINTs scientifically approved by Linda Rising's experiments :) I'd propose currently freeze doing WinForms development in Northwind.NET project as it nor did bring active discussions here nor did it result in many downloads from northwind.codeplex.com - I'd propose to make some "cool things" instead as WPF desktop Northwind.NET application development for starters using ordinary ADO.NET Datasets to communcate with backend or ADO.NET Entity Framework or I can make (mainly by generating) a custom ORM layer... I do not know is that a generally well known fact or not but doing WPF even a developer without graphic artist's skills can develop really high level (animated) visually attractive "cool" GUI with many "skins" which can be changed even on-the-fly etc. I'd go for that project in the case we can make a team here of max 7+/-2 developers but the team members have to commit they will spend 90min x3 = 4.5 hours/week: if they will commit but then in the very beginning of the project/in the middle it will happen they all quit or will not work commited time amount of 4.5 hours/week as it happened to Northwind.NET v.1.0 then I'd suspend such a project in a team waiting for the team to rearrange to have again full crew of 7+/-2 developers working and communicating actively... Another project if WPF is not that attractive/appealing could be ASP.NET with AJAX and MVC Framework but for ASP.NET we have to have a graphic artist in our team to make nice looking interface and also for ASP.NET we have to have a publicly avaible ASP.NET test hosting site - I currently have one but I cannot use its MS SQL databases (I have only two leased/rented) for public projects as they are used for my own/my customers' test projects and as extending the set of available MS SQL database is costly. There is also mySQL database on that site but I'm almost zero level with mySQL, and I'd avoid using it... I'm open for other proposals... All in all a WPF project looks here currently the most interesting opportunity as the end result could be really nice looking GUI so unusual(?) for MS Access interfaces/VB6 and VB.NET/C# Winfroms interfaces, and as WPF development knowledge should pay back well when one will have projects in the area of XBAP and SilverLight development - quite promising modern development areas. I personally have experience in developing one WPF project from scratch and another one legacy rather advanced I got for some fine tuning of its GUI - IOW we will not start from "blank list" here - I will be able to answer some questions. Although I must say I haven't not that much data binding in WPF - as far as I know it is not that advanced in VS2008 as WinForms binding is... I'd recommend books on WPF subject - "Windows Presentation Foundation Unleashed" by Adam Nathan and "WPF Recipes in C# 2008 (A Problem Solution Approach)" by Sam Noble at all. I'd also note that if we will make this new project we have to decide what to do with SVN: the issue is that to publish the sources from Mark's SVN Server to CodePlex one requires quite some manual error prone work - I have done that publishing several times - every time it took 2 or more hours - we can continue doing that manual publishing but then again we have to share that manual work by every team member: and that manual work looks rather high overhead - therefore before starting the new project we or should find a way to automate this publishing or switch to CodePlex SVN server, which is not so useful as Mark's one during parallel development of the same project as it (CodePlex SVN Server) doesn't allow to lock files etc. I could be missing something - please correct me if I'm wrong but for Northwind.NET I have spent more than 10 hours just to publish the code from Mark's server on Codeplex server: without file's locking feature we will have to be careful while working on the same code - communicating often just to not overwrite each other code editing (no we will not loose it but time to get it back/coordinate if one other's edits are overwritten could be rather time consuming per se) - and communication on technical tasks as "watching each other edits" could be also rather high overhead... As the last point of this message I'd give a refence on another interesting IMO information: http://www.infoq.com/articles/Grid-Azure-3-David-Pallmann "Grid Computing on the Azure Cloud Computing Platform, Part 3: Running a Grid Application" - this is a grid application written using WPF and C# and running on Azure cloud - we can do something like that in the future I guess although I'm not sure can such a test app be hosted./un for free or not... Thank you. -- Shamil From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed May 27 11:48:25 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:48:25 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?RllJOiBTQ1JVTS9BZ2lsZSAtIEJvcm4gVG8gQ3ljbGU=?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi All, ... Continuing the subject of 90 minutes SPRINTs 3 times a week for a new Northwind.Net project and where to find that time: - Linda Rising gives a real life example of a women-writer who did write a whole new book in 90 days using several 90 minutes "SPRINTs" per day - before that she tried to multi-task in small time chunks constantly switching between writing book(s), doing some other work, answering phone calls, reading/writings e-mails etc. - the end result was lower... - I recently started to walk everyday for approx. 90 minutes on a seaside of Finnish Gulf where I live (before I did get watched Linda Rising's presentation :) ) - did I have got some time limitation now for my development work or other things? Nope. I noted I'm spending now less time for reading/writing e-mails and for browsing Internet than before - and I have the same or more time for main work and experimenting/self-education when needed, and I'm getting more healthy/fit with every my walk on seaside :) I mean I suppose that finding time for three 90 minutes SPRINTs within a week is possible for everybody here if they really interested to do something real... together... there is such a good opportunity now... there is a proof for doubtful ones - running northwind.codeplex.com that - a proof/evidence that teamwork as we did it with all its inevitable errors and inconsistencies still could bring really useful and interesting for many people results.... Now is your time to decide - keep spending your time multi-tasking doing main work, browsing Internet, reading/wrting e-mails, hanging in newsgroups, watching TV, trying to do some self-education in the modern development areas... or to free some time to make "cool" real life reseach&development things together working just(?) 90 minutes three times a week but in focused not-interrupting mode - the latter is not "must have" requirement but why not try to do it like that just once for the next small WPF project? Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: Salakhetdinov Shamil To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:59:56 +0400 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle > Hi Gustav and all, > > Thank you for your joyful note, Gustav :) > > I posted the link on Linda Rising's presentation on QCon 2008 to point on an interesting fact/proven by many experiments investigation she is "cycling" through: I mean that to be productive one better work in 90 minutes long non-interrupting cycles, and then make a break for 20-30 minues switching on doing something very different. She is also noting that human's brain multi-tasking is unnatural activity and in long run it not only harms one's health but it also doesn't result in overall higher results/outputs achieved - in fact the opposite is true - the overall results/outputs are lower, the quality are lower also etc. ... > > And now getting back to NorthWind.NET :) > > As far as I see there is no that much activity here retrospecting this project. That's a pity as without retrospection making another project the same way would result in the same errors and incosistencies. > > Still I wanted to make some Northwind.NET follow-up projects but this time doing really teamwork with nearly equal share of workload and this time using 90 minutes long (daily) SPRINTs scientifically approved by Linda Rising's experiments :) > > I'd propose currently freeze doing WinForms development in Northwind.NET project as it nor did bring active discussions here nor did it result in many downloads from northwind.codeplex.com - I'd propose to make some "cool things" instead as WPF desktop Northwind.NET application development for starters using ordinary ADO.NET Datasets to communcate with backend or ADO.NET Entity Framework or I can make (mainly by generating) a custom ORM layer... > > I do not know is that a generally well known fact or not but doing WPF even a developer without graphic artist's skills can develop really high level (animated) visually attractive "cool" GUI with many "skins" which can be changed even on-the-fly etc. > > I'd go for that project in the case we can make a team here of max 7+/-2 developers but the team members have to commit they will spend 90min x3 = 4.5 hours/week: if they will commit but then in the very beginning of the project/in the middle it will happen they all quit or will not work commited time amount of 4.5 hours/week as it happened to Northwind.NET v.1.0 then I'd suspend such a project in a team waiting for the team to rearrange to have again full crew of 7+/-2 developers working and communicating actively... > > Another project if WPF is not that attractive/appealing could be ASP.NET with AJAX and MVC Framework but for ASP.NET we have to have a graphic artist in our team to make nice looking interface and also for ASP.NET we have to have a publicly avaible ASP.NET test hosting site - I currently have one but I cannot use its MS SQL databases (I have only two leased/rented) for public projects as they are used for my own/my customers' test projects and as extending the set of available MS SQL database is costly. There is also mySQL database on that site but I'm almost zero level with mySQL, and I'd avoid using it... > > I'm open for other proposals... > > All in all a WPF project looks here currently the most interesting opportunity as the end result could be really nice looking GUI so unusual(?) for MS Access interfaces/VB6 and VB.NET/C# Winfroms interfaces, and as WPF development knowledge should pay back well when one will have projects in the area of XBAP and SilverLight development - quite promising modern development areas. > > I personally have experience in developing one WPF project from scratch and another one legacy rather advanced I got for some fine tuning of its GUI - IOW we will not start from "blank list" here - I will be able to answer some questions. Although I must say I haven't not that much data binding in WPF - as far as I know it is not that advanced in VS2008 as WinForms binding is... > > I'd recommend books on WPF subject - "Windows Presentation Foundation Unleashed" by Adam Nathan and "WPF Recipes in C# 2008 (A Problem Solution Approach)" by Sam Noble at all. > > I'd also note that if we will make this new project we have to decide what to do with SVN: the issue is that to publish the sources from Mark's SVN Server to CodePlex one requires quite some manual error prone work - I have done that publishing several times - every time it took 2 or more hours - we can continue doing that manual publishing but then again we have to share that manual work by every team member: and that manual work looks rather high overhead - therefore before starting the new project we or should find a way to automate this publishing or switch to CodePlex SVN server, which is not so useful as Mark's one during parallel development of the same project as it (CodePlex SVN Server) doesn't allow to lock files etc. I could be missing something - please correct me if I'm wrong but for Northwind.NET I have spent more than 10 hours just to publish the code from Mark's server on Codeplex server: without file's locking feature we will have to be careful while working! > on the same code - communicating often just to not overwrite each other code editing (no we will not loose it but time to get it back/coordinate if one other's edits are overwritten could be rather time consuming per se) - and communication on technical tasks as "watching each other edits" could be also rather high overhead... > > As the last point of this message I'd give a refence on another interesting IMO information: > > http://www.infoq.com/articles/Grid-Azure-3-David-Pallmann > > "Grid Computing on the Azure Cloud Computing Platform, Part 3: Running a Grid Application" - this is a grid application written using WPF and C# and running on Azure cloud - we can do something like that in the future I guess although I'm not sure can such a test app be hosted./un for free or not... > > Thank you. > > -- > Shamil > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed May 27 12:20:11 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:20:11 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?RllJOiBTQ1JVTS9BZ2lsZSAtIEJvcm4gVG8gQ3ljbGU=?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi All, Continuing the subject of Northwing.NET WPF project here are some "cool" samples you'll be able to use to "charge" your imagination to develop your own WPF user-friendly intuitive GUIs real soon - after we will make together one small Northwind.NET.WPF project :) Beatriz Costa's Solar System listbox styling using WPF http://www.beacosta.com/blog/?p=40 Almost no coding just XAML template - and a text list of Solar System planets is presented as "cool" looking graphics... A WPF Pie Chart with Data Binding Support http://www.codeproject.com/KB/WPF/PieChartDataBinding.aspx Fun With Physics http://www.codeproject.com/KB/WPF/PhysicsFun.aspx ... Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: Salakhetdinov Shamil To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:48:25 +0400 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle > Hi All, > > ... Continuing the subject of 90 minutes SPRINTs 3 times a week for a new Northwind.Net project and where to find that time: > > - Linda Rising gives a real life example of a women-writer who did write a whole new book in 90 days using several 90 minutes "SPRINTs" per day - before that she tried to multi-task in small time chunks constantly switching between writing book(s), doing some other work, answering phone calls, reading/writings e-mails etc. - the end result was lower... > > - I recently started to walk everyday for approx. 90 minutes on a seaside of Finnish Gulf where I live (before I did get watched Linda Rising's presentation :) ) - did I have got some time limitation now for my development work or other things? Nope. I noted I'm spending now less time for reading/writing e-mails and for browsing Internet than before - and I have the same or more time for main work and experimenting/self-education when needed, and I'm getting more healthy/fit with every my walk on seaside :) > > I mean I suppose that finding time for three 90 minutes SPRINTs within a week is possible for everybody here if they really interested to do something real... together... there is such a good opportunity now... there is a proof for doubtful ones - running northwind.codeplex.com that - a proof/evidence that teamwork as we did it with all its inevitable errors and inconsistencies still could bring really useful and interesting for many people results.... > > Now is your time to decide - keep spending your time multi-tasking doing main work, browsing Internet, reading/wrting e-mails, hanging in newsgroups, watching TV, trying to do some self-education in the modern development areas... or to free some time to make "cool" real life reseach&development things together working just(?) 90 minutes three times a week but in focused not-interrupting mode - the latter is not "must have" requirement but why not try to do it like that just once for the next small WPF project? > > Thank you. > > -- > Shamil > > -----Original Message----- > From: Salakhetdinov Shamil > To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." > Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:59:56 +0400 > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] > FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle > > > Hi Gustav and all, > > > > Thank you for your joyful note, Gustav :) > > > > I posted the link on Linda Rising's presentation on QCon 2008 to point on an interesting fact/proven by many experiments investigation she is "cycling" through: I mean that to be productive one better work in 90 minutes long non-interrupting cycles, and then make a break for 20-30 minues switching on doing something very different. She is also noting that human's brain multi-tasking is unnatural activity and in long run it not only harms one's health but it also doesn't result in overall higher results/outputs achieved - in fact the opposite is true - the overall results/outputs are lower, the quality are lower also etc. ... > > > > And now getting back to NorthWind.NET :) > > > > As far as I see there is no that much activity here retrospecting this project. That's a pity as without retrospection making another project the same way would result in the same errors and incosistencies. > > > > Still I wanted to make some Northwind.NET follow-up projects but this time doing really teamwork with nearly equal share of workload and this time using 90 minutes long (daily) SPRINTs scientifically approved by Linda Rising's experiments :) > > > > I'd propose currently freeze doing WinForms development in Northwind.NET project as it nor did bring active discussions here nor did it result in many downloads from northwind.codeplex.com - I'd propose to make some "cool things" instead as WPF desktop Northwind.NET application development for starters using ordinary ADO.NET Datasets to communcate with backend or ADO.NET Entity Framework or I can make (mainly by generating) a custom ORM layer... > > > > I do not know is that a generally well known fact or not but doing WPF even a developer without graphic artist's skills can develop really high level (animated) visually attractive "cool" GUI with many "skins" which can be changed even on-the-fly etc. > > > > I'd go for that project in the case we can make a team here of max 7+/-2 developers but the team members have to commit they will spend 90min x3 = 4.5 hours/week: if they will commit but then in the very beginning of the project/in the middle it will happen they all quit or will not work commited time amount of 4.5 hours/week as it happened to Northwind.NET v.1.0 then I'd suspend such a project in a team waiting for the team to rearrange to have again full crew of 7+/-2 developers working and communicating actively... > > > > Another project if WPF is not that attractive/appealing could be ASP.NET with AJAX and MVC Framework but for ASP.NET we have to have a graphic artist in our team to make nice looking interface and also for ASP.NET we have to have a publicly avaible ASP.NET test hosting site - I currently have one but I cannot use its MS SQL databases (I have only two leased/rented) for public projects as they are used for my own/my customers' test projects and as extending the set of available MS SQL database is costly. There is also mySQL database on that site but I'm almost zero level with mySQL, and I'd avoid using it... > > > > I'm open for other proposals... > > > > All in all a WPF project looks here currently the most interesting opportunity as the end result could be really nice looking GUI so unusual(?) for MS Access interfaces/VB6 and VB.NET/C# Winfroms interfaces, and as WPF development knowledge should pay back well when one will have projects in the area of XBAP and SilverLight development - quite promising modern development areas. > > > > I personally have experience in developing one WPF project from scratch and another one legacy rather advanced I got for some fine tuning of its GUI - IOW we will not start from "blank list" here - I will be able to answer some questions. Although I must say I haven't not that much data binding in WPF - as far as I know it is not that advanced in VS2008 as WinForms binding is... > > > > I'd recommend books on WPF subject - "Windows Presentation Foundation Unleashed" by Adam Nathan and "WPF Recipes in C# 2008 (A Problem Solution Approach)" by Sam Noble at all. > > > > I'd also note that if we will make this new project we have to decide what to do with SVN: the issue is that to publish the sources from Mark's SVN Server to CodePlex one requires quite some manual error prone work - I have done that publishing several times - every time it took 2 or more hours - we can continue doing that manual publishing but then again we have to share that manual work by every team member: and that manual work looks rather high overhead - therefore before starting the new project we or should find a way to automate this publishing or switch to CodePlex SVN server, which is not so useful as Mark's one during parallel development of the same project as it (CodePlex SVN Server) doesn't allow to lock files etc. I could be missing something - please correct me if I'm wrong but for Northwind.NET I have spent more than 10 hours just to publish the code from Mark's server on Codeplex server: without file's locking feature we will have to be careful while worki! > ng! > > on the same code - communicating often just to not overwrite each other code editing (no we will not loose it but time to get it back/coordinate if one other's edits are overwritten could be rather time consuming per se) - and communication on technical tasks as "watching each other edits" could be also rather high overhead... > > > > As the last point of this message I'd give a refence on another interesting IMO information: > > > > http://www.infoq.com/articles/Grid-Azure-3-David-Pallmann > > > > "Grid Computing on the Azure Cloud Computing Platform, Part 3: Running a Grid Application" - this is a grid application written using WPF and C# and running on Azure cloud - we can do something like that in the future I guess although I'm not sure can such a test app be hosted./un for free or not... > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- > > Shamil > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed May 27 16:44:36 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:44:36 -0400 Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <29f585dd0905271444m591364dcw13181619ee38b11b@mail.gmail.com> Hi Shamil, I have recently decided to retire from the profession of programming and instead live on my meager pension and become a hobbyist. As a result, I now have a lot more time available than previously, when I was either working or beating the bushes for work. It may happen that now and then I take a short-term contract, but I am no longer looking for gigs. They will have to look for me :) If the mountain will not come to Mohammed, etc. It feels quite liberating to declare myself retired. It means that I can unsubscribe from various lists that I was reading in an attempt to stay abreast. It also means there are no deadlines. Of course, there are prices to pay, but on the other hand I have no family, no mortgage and no car, so it's possible that I can live on the pittance that my pension pays. There won't be any vacations in Europe any more, but I can accept that. And on the up-side, I have several novels to plough through, and the library is a short walk away. I am not throwing in the towel as a programmer. Call it, if you wish, a sabbatical. I'm making enough time available to play with this project and a couple of others, all guaranteed to make no money, but all guaranteed to keep my brain stimulated. In short, although my participation in Round One was minimal, I now have the time to become more involved in Round Two. Arthur From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed May 27 19:28:50 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 04:28:50 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?RllJOiBTQ1JVTS9BZ2lsZSAtIEJvcm4gVG8gQ3ljbGU=?= In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0905271444m591364dcw13181619ee38b11b@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0905271444m591364dcw13181619ee38b11b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Arthur, Thank you. Let's try to do some WPF search&development while waiting for the team to gather? I think we can make one form XBAP sample applications - XBAP applications could be like that: http://shamils-4.hosting.parking.ru/xbap/Postcard3d.xbap or very simple like that http://shamils-4.hosting.parking.ru/xaml/WpfBrowserApplication1.xbap and they can be published on any Internet server as they do not need server side dedicated process because they are downloaded and executed on client side in browser's "sand-box" - XBAP applications can run in IE7, IE8 and in FireFox 3.x. AFAIK. Of course the XBAP applications do require .NET Framework installed on client side. Let's try to make for starters a simple Shippers form running as XBAP application. This form will not talk to the backend database - it will use hardcoded data: let's concentrate on this stage on learning how WPF controls can be placed and styled on a WPF page/window/form. For the next 90 minutes long SPRINT here the task is to make such a simple XBAP application. Arthur, for you I'd propose to look for WPF sources to learn - here is one good link on WPF videos: http://windowsclient.net/learn/videos_wpf.aspx Let's set deadline for the Shippers form to appear as an XBAP application for the next Monday - 1st of June 2009 - by that time I expect you'll get some WPF knowledge/experience and maybe some more developers will join us for us to plan the next steps together - OK? Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller To: Salakhetdinov Shamil , "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:44:36 -0400 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle > Hi Shamil, > > I have recently decided to retire from the profession of programming and > instead live on my meager pension and become a hobbyist. As a result, I now > have a lot more time available than previously, when I was either working or > beating the bushes for work. It may happen that now and then I take a > short-term contract, but I am no longer looking for gigs. They will have to > look for me :) If the mountain will not come to Mohammed, etc. > > It feels quite liberating to declare myself retired. It means that I can > unsubscribe from various lists that I was reading in an attempt to stay > abreast. It also means there are no deadlines. Of course, there are prices > to pay, but on the other hand I have no family, no mortgage and no car, so > it's possible that I can live on the pittance that my pension pays. There > won't be any vacations in Europe any more, but I can accept that. And on the > up-side, I have several novels to plough through, and the library is a short > walk away. > > I am not throwing in the towel as a programmer. Call it, if you wish, a > sabbatical. I'm making enough time available to play with this project and a > couple of others, all guaranteed to make no money, but all guaranteed to > keep my brain stimulated. > > In short, although my participation in Round One was minimal, I now have the > time to become more involved in Round Two. > > Arthur > > From mmattys at rochester.rr.com Wed May 27 20:42:29 2009 From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:42:29 -0400 Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle References: <29f585dd0905271444m591364dcw13181619ee38b11b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9650728EA4224712A247DC07CA22B5DB@Mattys> Great! windowsclient.net - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Arthur Fuller" Cc: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [dba-VB]FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle > Hi Arthur, > > Thank you. > > Let's try to do some WPF search&development while waiting for the team to > gather? > > I think we can make one form XBAP sample applications - XBAP applications > could be like that: > > http://shamils-4.hosting.parking.ru/xbap/Postcard3d.xbap > > or very simple like that > > http://shamils-4.hosting.parking.ru/xaml/WpfBrowserApplication1.xbap > > and they can be published on any Internet server as they do not need > server side dedicated process because they are downloaded and executed on > client side in browser's "sand-box" - XBAP applications can run in IE7, > IE8 and in FireFox 3.x. AFAIK. Of course the XBAP applications do require > .NET Framework installed on client side. > > Let's try to make for starters a simple Shippers form running as XBAP > application. This form will not talk to the backend database - it will use > hardcoded data: let's concentrate on this stage on learning how WPF > controls can be placed and styled on a WPF page/window/form. > > For the next 90 minutes long SPRINT here the task is to make such a simple > XBAP application. > Arthur, for you I'd propose to look for WPF sources to learn - here is one > good link on WPF videos: > > http://windowsclient.net/learn/videos_wpf.aspx > > Let's set deadline for the Shippers form to appear as an XBAP application > for the next Monday - 1st of June 2009 - by that time I expect you'll get > some WPF knowledge/experience and maybe some more developers will join us > for us to plan the next steps together - OK? > > Thank you. > > -- > Shamil > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Arthur Fuller > To: Salakhetdinov Shamil , "Discussion concerning Visual > Basic and related programming issues." > Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:44:36 -0400 > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle > >> Hi Shamil, >> >> I have recently decided to retire from the profession of programming and >> instead live on my meager pension and become a hobbyist. As a result, I >> now >> have a lot more time available than previously, when I was either working >> or >> beating the bushes for work. It may happen that now and then I take a >> short-term contract, but I am no longer looking for gigs. They will have >> to >> look for me :) If the mountain will not come to Mohammed, etc. >> >> It feels quite liberating to declare myself retired. It means that I can >> unsubscribe from various lists that I was reading in an attempt to stay >> abreast. It also means there are no deadlines. Of course, there are >> prices >> to pay, but on the other hand I have no family, no mortgage and no car, >> so >> it's possible that I can live on the pittance that my pension pays. There >> won't be any vacations in Europe any more, but I can accept that. And on >> the >> up-side, I have several novels to plough through, and the library is a >> short >> walk away. >> >> I am not throwing in the towel as a programmer. Call it, if you wish, a >> sabbatical. I'm making enough time available to play with this project >> and a >> couple of others, all guaranteed to make no money, but all guaranteed to >> keep my brain stimulated. >> >> In short, although my participation in Round One was minimal, I now have >> the >> time to become more involved in Round Two. >> >> Arthur >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed May 27 21:33:16 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:33:16 -0700 Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0905271444m591364dcw13181619ee38b11b@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0905271444m591364dcw13181619ee38b11b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <60206B2617E6411EB904E634B2CBF5E2@creativesystemdesigns.com> I declared myself retired 4 years ago and now my hobbies are nearly full-time jobs... You not out yet Arthur. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 2:45 PM To: Salakhetdinov Shamil; Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle Hi Shamil, I have recently decided to retire from the profession of programming and instead live on my meager pension and become a hobbyist. As a result, I now have a lot more time available than previously, when I was either working or beating the bushes for work. It may happen that now and then I take a short-term contract, but I am no longer looking for gigs. They will have to look for me :) If the mountain will not come to Mohammed, etc. It feels quite liberating to declare myself retired. It means that I can unsubscribe from various lists that I was reading in an attempt to stay abreast. It also means there are no deadlines. Of course, there are prices to pay, but on the other hand I have no family, no mortgage and no car, so it's possible that I can live on the pittance that my pension pays. There won't be any vacations in Europe any more, but I can accept that. And on the up-side, I have several novels to plough through, and the library is a short walk away. I am not throwing in the towel as a programmer. Call it, if you wish, a sabbatical. I'm making enough time available to play with this project and a couple of others, all guaranteed to make no money, but all guaranteed to keep my brain stimulated. In short, although my participation in Round One was minimal, I now have the time to become more involved in Round Two. Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu May 28 03:14:29 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:14:29 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes (Step1) Message-ID: Hi All, Let's start WPF buttons styling exercizes - here is a web page, which should display three stacked buttons when loaded into IE 7/8 or FireFox 3.x on MS Windows Vista, and I guess on latest Windows XP SP3(?) - but I haven't tested that latter: http://shamils-4.hosting.parking.ru/wpf/SpecialButtonStyle1.xaml The following is the above web page's xaml - it is given just for starters to define/test what are the target platforms for which this exersize can be tested online - the next samples will augment this .xaml page with styling. I should note that AFAIK the usage of .xaml pages' styling that way online is rather limited because this page/application is running in sandbox, which makes many WPF/XAML features unavailable because of secutiry reasons. For example will not work on this page (I don't know yet/I guess that activation on for this page can be done by using accompanying manifest file - anybody to approve/disapprove?) Anyway we should be able to make visually attractive buttons even in this limited sandbox context: when done those styles can be reused in WPF, XBAP and SilverLight applications. Let's start: -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stewart To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 07:33:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > Rendering xaml files requires Framework 3.5 SP1 on the client machine. > > You have to enable full trust in the security settings of the application. > > I have not used the pages I have used the windows. > > You create an instance of the window and show it. > > At 03:58 AM 5/30/2009, you wrote: > >Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 01:48:12 +0400 > >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil > >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Fw: Re: SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > > (StepN) > >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > > issues." > >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > > > >Hi Gustav, > > > >I have created this code by hand - I have no Expression Design 2 here. > > > >I'd guess Chrome, Safari and Opera will start support .xaml files > >rendering soon as recently FireFox 3.x have done: AFAIU rendering > >.xaml files is done by using something like ActiveX control - do you > >know which one? > > > >BTW, what I do not know but (I'd hope that it should work) is how to > >use code behind with such .xaml pages? If create e.g. > > > >http://shamils-4.hosting.parking.ru/wpf/SpecialButtonStyleX.xaml.cs > > > >processing button click event then it will not run - it will be > >blocked because of security reasons - there should be possible I > >guess/hope to accompany such .xaml.cs files with special manifest > >files to have code behind enabled? > > > >Just wondering - if loading .xaml pages with code behind would be > >possible and also if it would be possible to have entry .xaml pages > >to call other ones located on server then that would be a way to > >make light .xaml (not XBAP) applications with .xaml pages loaded > >from server, compiled and run in demand... > > > >Thank you. > > > >-- > >Shamil > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun May 31 06:24:09 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 15:24:09 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?U0NSVU0vV1BGIC0gQnV0dG9ucyBTdHlsaW5nIEV4ZXJj?= =?koi8-r?b?aXplcw==?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi All, Have a look I have occasionally found a sample application/demo with advanced WPF controls from Syncfusion: http://samples.syncfusion.com/wpf/demosvol2/Gaugewpf/samplebrowser.xbap It's rather large - -12MB and takes some time to start with but the good news it gets cached, and the next time you type the above URL in your browser the app starts almost instantly - ~2 seconds on 3MHz Dual Core Pentiun. Just wanted to demonstrate/confirm that .xbap applications are getting cached locally, and to note that there is not that a big difference between developing WPF desktop application or WPF XBAP application - in fact one can even try to develop both of them in one project or start with, say, WFP desktop application and then add XBAP application which will use the same custom components: I assume that those WPF desktop and XBAP applications will use web services or SQL connection strings to talk to a backend but some companies avoid doing the latter because of the risk of SQL Servers being hacked... Thank you. -- Shamil From robert at webedb.com Sun May 31 09:46:51 2009 From: robert at webedb.com (Robert Stewart) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:46:51 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200905311447.n4VElRtW015938@databaseadvisors.com> At the TechFest here locally, Houston, TX, they did say that there is active work going on to make a version of Silverlight that will run on a Mac and on Linux. Moonlight is the one for the Mac. I don't remember the one for Linux. I do not think that the same can be said for the entire framework. At 12:00 PM 5/30/2009, you wrote: >Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 19:48:29 +0400 >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > issues." >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > >Hi Robert, > >Thank you for your reply. > >I thought that using special manifest files one can define something >like a sand-box environment without setting full trust priviledges >for the source .xaml files with code behinn or inline code, the >latter could be like that: > >xmlns:x="http://schemas.microsoft.com/winfx/2006/xaml"> > >void button_Click(object sender, RoutedEventArgs e) >{ >MessageBox.Show("OK"); >} >]]> > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun May 31 10:47:13 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 19:47:13 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?U0NSVU0vV1BGIC0gQnV0dG9ucyBTdHlsaW5nIEV4ZXJj?= =?koi8-r?b?aXplcw==?= In-Reply-To: <200905311447.n4VElRtW015938@databaseadvisors.com> References: <200905311447.n4VElRtW015938@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Hi Robert, Thank you for your reply. And "transition" from WPF desktop applications or XBAP applications to SilverLight ones should be rather natural I expect (with some "preventive" measures taken to organize back-end communication). But I must say I haven't yet program any SilverLight apps. I'm looking at VS2008 SP1 Prof. now and I do not see SilverLight projects available - should I install special SilverLight SDK? Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stewart To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:46:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > At the TechFest here locally, Houston, TX, they did say that there is active > work going on to make a version of Silverlight that will run on a Mac and > on Linux. Moonlight is the one for the Mac. I don't remember the one for > Linux. I do not think that the same can be said for the entire framework. > > At 12:00 PM 5/30/2009, you wrote: > >Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 19:48:29 +0400 > >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil > >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > > issues." > >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > > > >Hi Robert, > > > >Thank you for your reply. > > > >I thought that using special manifest files one can define something > >like a sand-box environment without setting full trust priviledges > >for the source .xaml files with code behinn or inline code, the > >latter could be like that: > > > > >xmlns:x="http://schemas.microsoft.com/winfx/2006/xaml"> > > > > >void button_Click(object sender, RoutedEventArgs e) > >{ > >MessageBox.Show("OK"); > >} > >]]> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Gustav at cactus.dk Sun May 31 12:44:07 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 19:44:07 +0200 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes Message-ID: Hi Shamil Yes, you will need the Microsoft Silverlight 2 Software Development Kit. Here is a full list of the recommended prerequisites: http://silverlight.net/GetStarted/ Silverlight 2 runtime is available for Windows and Mac. For Linux it is the Mono Moonlight project (under development): http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 31-05-2009 17:47 >>> Hi Robert, Thank you for your reply. And "transition" from WPF desktop applications or XBAP applications to SilverLight ones should be rather natural I expect (with some "preventive" measures taken to organize back-end communication). But I must say I haven't yet program any SilverLight apps. I'm looking at VS2008 SP1 Prof. now and I do not see SilverLight projects available - should I install special SilverLight SDK? Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stewart To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:46:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > At the TechFest here locally, Houston, TX, they did say that there is active > work going on to make a version of Silverlight that will run on a Mac and > on Linux. Moonlight is the one for the Mac. I don't remember the one for > Linux. I do not think that the same can be said for the entire framework. > > At 12:00 PM 5/30/2009, you wrote: > >Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 19:48:29 +0400 > >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil > >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > > issues." > >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > > > >Hi Robert, > > > >Thank you for your reply. > > > >I thought that using special manifest files one can define something > >like a sand-box environment without setting full trust priviledges > >for the source .xaml files with code behinn or inline code, the > >latter could be like that: > > > > >xmlns:x="http://schemas.microsoft.com/winfx/2006/xaml"> > > > > >void button_Click(object sender, RoutedEventArgs e) > >{ > >MessageBox.Show("OK"); > >} > >]]> > > From robert at webedb.com Sun May 31 12:56:07 2009 From: robert at webedb.com (Robert Stewart) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 12:56:07 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200905311756.n4VHueUT006687@databaseadvisors.com> I will be starting to work on a Silverlight application at the end of June. I am currently working on converting an Access application into WPF using the entity framework. I just created a VM with WIndows 7 RC and VS 2010 Beta 1. I will be using them to do some presentations at the user group that I teach. Database and GUI Design. There are currently 3 of us working in WPF. One is developing a pipe yard inventory and shipping application in WPF. The other has developed oil well information programs in WPF and is working another one now. I am working a an application that manages social service agencies that supply people with food, clothes, and other services. At 12:00 PM 5/31/2009, you wrote: >Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 19:47:13 +0400 >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > issues." >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > >Hi Robert, > >Thank you for your reply. > >And "transition" from WPF desktop applications or XBAP applications >to SilverLight ones should be rather natural I expect (with some >"preventive" measures taken to organize back-end communication). > >But I must say I haven't yet program any SilverLight apps. > >I'm looking at VS2008 SP1 Prof. now and I do not see SilverLight >projects available - should I install special SilverLight SDK? > >Thank you. > >-- >Shamil From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun May 31 13:19:14 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:19:14 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?U0NSVU0vV1BGIC0gQnV0dG9ucyBTdHlsaW5nIEV4ZXJj?= =?koi8-r?b?aXplcw==?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav, Thank you for the links. I'd definitely plan to R&D SilverLight development after WPF & XBAP. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 19:44:07 +0200 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > Hi Shamil > > Yes, you will need the Microsoft Silverlight 2 Software Development Kit. > Here is a full list of the recommended prerequisites: > > http://silverlight.net/GetStarted/ > > Silverlight 2 runtime is available for Windows and Mac. > For Linux it is the Mono Moonlight project (under development): > > http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight > > /gustav > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 31-05-2009 17:47 >>> > Hi Robert, > > Thank you for your reply. > > And "transition" from WPF desktop applications or XBAP applications to SilverLight ones should be rather natural I expect (with some "preventive" measures taken to organize back-end communication). > > But I must say I haven't yet program any SilverLight apps. > > I'm looking at VS2008 SP1 Prof. now and I do not see SilverLight projects available - should I install special SilverLight SDK? > > Thank you. > > -- > Shamil > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Stewart > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:46:51 -0500 > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > > > At the TechFest here locally, Houston, TX, they did say that there is active > > work going on to make a version of Silverlight that will run on a Mac and > > on Linux. Moonlight is the one for the Mac. I don't remember the one for > > Linux. I do not think that the same can be said for the entire framework. > > > > At 12:00 PM 5/30/2009, you wrote: > > >Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 19:48:29 +0400 > > >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil > > >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > > >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > > > issues." > > >Message-ID: > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > > > > > >Hi Robert, > > > > > >Thank you for your reply. > > > > > >I thought that using special manifest files one can define something > > >like a sand-box environment without setting full trust priviledges > > >for the source .xaml files with code behinn or inline code, the > > >latter could be like that: > > > > > > > >xmlns:x="http://schemas.microsoft.com/winfx/2006/xaml"> > > > > > > > >void button_Click(object sender, RoutedEventArgs e) > > >{ > > >MessageBox.Show("OK"); > > >} > > >]]> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun May 31 13:32:50 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:32:50 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?U0NSVU0vV1BGIC0gQnV0dG9ucyBTdHlsaW5nIEV4ZXJj?= =?koi8-r?b?aXplcw==?= In-Reply-To: <200905311756.n4VHueUT006687@databaseadvisors.com> References: <200905311756.n4VHueUT006687@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Hi Robert, Well, you're "travelling" the same roadmap our Northwind.net is supposed to travel in the coming months AFAIE - why not join our team to do some R&D together? :) What can you tell us from your experience with WPF and SilverLight - do they use the same (but limityed) set of controls or at least the same XAML constructs, which maybe are rendered using different SilverLight specific controls? I have found a SilverLight a set of SilverLight tutorials here http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/pages/silverlight-tutorial-part-1-creating-quot-hello-world-quot-with-silverlight-2-and-vs-2008.aspx but I cannot yet tyr them as I haven't got yet installed SilverLight SDK. Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stewart To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 12:56:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > I will be starting to work on a Silverlight application at the end of June. > I am currently working on converting an Access application into WPF > using the entity framework. > > I just created a VM with WIndows 7 RC and VS 2010 Beta 1. I will > be using them to do some presentations at the user group that I teach. > Database and GUI Design. > > There are currently 3 of us working in WPF. One is developing a pipe > yard inventory and shipping application in WPF. The other has developed > oil well information programs in WPF and is working another one now. > I am working a an application that manages social service agencies > that supply people with food, clothes, and other services. > > > At 12:00 PM 5/31/2009, you wrote: > >Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 19:47:13 +0400 > >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil > >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > > issues." > >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > > > >Hi Robert, > > > >Thank you for your reply. > > > >And "transition" from WPF desktop applications or XBAP applications > >to SilverLight ones should be rather natural I expect (with some > >"preventive" measures taken to organize back-end communication). > > > >But I must say I haven't yet program any SilverLight apps. > > > >I'm looking at VS2008 SP1 Prof. now and I do not see SilverLight > >projects available - should I install special SilverLight SDK? > > > >Thank you. > > > >-- > >Shamil > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun May 31 17:25:41 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 02:25:41 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?U0NSVU0vV1BGIC0gQnV0dG9ucyBTdHlsaW5nIEV4ZXJj?= =?koi8-r?b?aXplcw==?= In-Reply-To: <200905311756.n4VHueUT006687@databaseadvisors.com> References: <200905311756.n4VHueUT006687@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Hi Robert at All, I have made sample SilverLight application and I have got it installed (by XCOPY) here: http://shamils-4.hosting.parking.ru/sl It works well when running locally in debug mode under VS2008 SP1 but it does not show anything in SilverLight when running from the above link. What could be wrong? Thank you. -- Shamil P.S. Here is the main code of the above sample application: http://shamils-4.hosting.parking.ru/sl Page1.xaml ======== User Name: Password: Page1.xaml.cs ========== using System; using System.Collections.Generic; using System.Linq; using System.Net; using System.Windows; using System.Windows.Controls; using System.Windows.Documents; using System.Windows.Input; using System.Windows.Media; using System.Windows.Media.Animation; using System.Windows.Shapes; namespace SLA1 { public partial class Page : UserControl { public Page() { InitializeComponent(); } private void Button_Click(object sender, RoutedEventArgs e) { if (txtUserName.Text != "guest" || txtPassword.Text != "test") MessageBox.Show("Invalid UserName or Password"); else MessageBox.Show("Hello, World!"); } } } -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stewart To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 12:56:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > I will be starting to work on a Silverlight application at the end of June. > I am currently working on converting an Access application into WPF > using the entity framework. > > I just created a VM with WIndows 7 RC and VS 2010 Beta 1. I will > be using them to do some presentations at the user group that I teach. > Database and GUI Design. > > There are currently 3 of us working in WPF. One is developing a pipe > yard inventory and shipping application in WPF. The other has developed > oil well information programs in WPF and is working another one now. > I am working a an application that manages social service agencies > that supply people with food, clothes, and other services. > From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed May 6 15:35:57 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 22:35:57 +0200 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released Message-ID: Hi Shamil et al I've been busy with other tasks (for a living) ans still am at some extent so I've lost track of what the next step in the process or project is? Did we get the planned feedback from our "customer" of the project? /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 28-04-2009 21:34 >>> Hi All, Northwind.NET v.1.2 (sources and executables) released on http://northwind.codeplex.com/Release/ProjectReleases.aspx?ReleaseId=26600 This version has: 1) WinForms sample application with MS SQL 2005/2008 BE; 2) WinForms sample application with MS Access BE; 3) ASP.NET sample reporting website with MS Access BE. Thank you. -- Shamil From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com Thu May 7 00:31:39 2009 From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 01:31:39 -0400 Subject: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? References: <200904291826.n3TIQcBm000577@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: ...Alexd Dybenko linked your codeplex northwind.net site in his Alex & Access newsletter. William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:06 PM To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Subject: Re: [dba-VB]ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > > Thank you in advance, Robert. > > -- > Shamil > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Robert L. Stewart" > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:26:03 -0500 > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > >> Shamil, >> >> Since I have not done it yet, I cannot answer that. >> But, I will do some testing over the weekend and >> let you know what I find out. >> >> Robert >> >> At 12:00 PM 4/29/2009, you wrote: >> >Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:41:08 +0400 >> >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil >> >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? >> >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming >> > issues." >> >Message-ID: >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r >> > >> > >> >Hi Robert, >> > >> >I'm only starting with EF, and from other posts on Web I have got an >> >impression that it's not pssible to map selection SPs to entities in >> >VS2008 SP1 - is that correct information? (they say the mapping >> >feature exists in VS2010 to be released somewhere end of this year) >> > >> >Yes, I realize I can extend entities' (partial?) classes manually - >> >and use custom SPs in such extensions - are you doing something like >> >that? >> > >> >Thank you. >> > >> >-- >> >Shamil >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-VB mailing list >> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From accessd at shaw.ca Thu May 7 11:36:29 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 09:36:29 -0700 Subject: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? In-Reply-To: References: <200904291826.n3TIQcBm000577@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: For what it is worth, it has also been linked and 'Iframed' off the DBA (http://www.databaseadvisors.com) site. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:32 PM To: Salakhetdinov Shamil; Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? ...Alexd Dybenko linked your codeplex northwind.net site in his Alex & Access newsletter. William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:06 PM To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Subject: Re: [dba-VB]ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > > Thank you in advance, Robert. > > -- > Shamil > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Robert L. Stewart" > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:26:03 -0500 > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > >> Shamil, >> >> Since I have not done it yet, I cannot answer that. >> But, I will do some testing over the weekend and >> let you know what I find out. >> >> Robert >> >> At 12:00 PM 4/29/2009, you wrote: >> >Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:41:08 +0400 >> >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil >> >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? >> >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming >> > issues." >> >Message-ID: >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r >> > >> > >> >Hi Robert, >> > >> >I'm only starting with EF, and from other posts on Web I have got an >> >impression that it's not pssible to map selection SPs to entities in >> >VS2008 SP1 - is that correct information? (they say the mapping >> >feature exists in VS2010 to be released somewhere end of this year) >> > >> >Yes, I realize I can extend entities' (partial?) classes manually - >> >and use custom SPs in such extensions - are you doing something like >> >that? >> > >> >Thank you. >> > >> >-- >> >Shamil >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-VB mailing list >> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri May 8 08:37:45 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 17:37:45 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?U0NSVU06IE5vcnRod2luZC5ORVQgdi4xLjIgUmVsZWFz?= =?koi8-r?b?ZWQ=?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav at all, I must say I'm doing some programming for my customers here too. No, we didn't have that much feeback from our "customer" for the currently published version. The next planned steps are: - v.1.5 of Northwind.NET with MDI interface + navigation functionality separated into custom class(es) and tested using NUnit or MS Visual Studio testing features if that are freely available i.e. not part of MS VS Team System ; - v.2.0 of Northwind.NET with MDI interface - treeview driven with paged data retrieval + introducing Northwind Business Domain Model to use it for data entry/edit validation; I have also got proposal/request from Alex Dybenko to implement a brief video to show how to "wrap" .NET code into COM-callable classlibs as well to implement a sample Web Service delivering MS ADO recordsets to VBA clients to bind to e.g. MS Access Forms or to use in MS Excel worksheets... If anybody is free currently to implement any of the above functionality/samples or if anybody wanted to discuss them or to change the above todo list - let's discuss it here... Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 22:35:57 +0200 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released > Hi Shamil et al > > I've been busy with other tasks (for a living) ans still am at some extent so I've lost track of what the next step in the process or project is? > Did we get the planned feedback from our "customer" of the project? > > /gustav > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 28-04-2009 21:34 >>> > Hi All, > > Northwind.NET v.1.2 (sources and executables) released on > > http://northwind.codeplex.com/Release/ProjectReleases.aspx?ReleaseId=26600 > > This version has: > > 1) WinForms sample application with MS SQL 2005/2008 BE; > 2) WinForms sample application with MS Access BE; > 3) ASP.NET sample reporting website with MS Access BE. > > Thank you. > > -- > Shamil > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri May 8 08:42:22 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 17:42:22 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?QURPLk5FVCBFbnRpdHkgRnJhbWV3b3JrIC0gdG8gdXNl?= =?koi8-r?b?IG9yIG5vdD8=?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi William, Thank you for the note. Yes, I have exchanged some e-mails with Alex Dybenko, and he told me he liked what we're doing but I haven't seen his blog entry on northwind.codeplex.com http://accessblog.net/2009/05/northwindnet.html -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: "William Hindman" To: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" ,"Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 01:31:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [dba-VB]ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > ...Alexd Dybenko linked your codeplex northwind.net site in his Alex & > Access newsletter. > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:06 PM > To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB]ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > > > > > Thank you in advance, Robert. > > > > -- > > Shamil > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Robert L. Stewart" > > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com > > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:26:03 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > > > >> Shamil, > >> > >> Since I have not done it yet, I cannot answer that. > >> But, I will do some testing over the weekend and > >> let you know what I find out. > >> > >> Robert > >> > >> At 12:00 PM 4/29/2009, you wrote: > >> >Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:41:08 +0400 > >> >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil > >> >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > >> >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > >> > issues." > >> >Message-ID: > >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > >> > > >> > > >> >Hi Robert, > >> > > >> >I'm only starting with EF, and from other posts on Web I have got an > >> >impression that it's not pssible to map selection SPs to entities in > >> >VS2008 SP1 - is that correct information? (they say the mapping > >> >feature exists in VS2010 to be released somewhere end of this year) > >> > > >> >Yes, I realize I can extend entities' (partial?) classes manually - > >> >and use custom SPs in such extensions - are you doing something like > >> >that? > >> > > >> >Thank you. > >> > > >> >-- > >> >Shamil > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-VB mailing list > >> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri May 8 08:45:46 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 17:45:46 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?QURPLk5FVCBFbnRpdHkgRnJhbWV3b3JrIC0gdG8gdXNl?= =?koi8-r?b?IG9yIG5vdD8=?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you, Jim, I hope it will help to attract attention of more developers to this project as well as to provide some more participants to DatabaseAdvisors discussions... -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: "Jim Lawrence" To: "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'" Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 09:36:29 -0700 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > For what it is worth, it has also been linked and 'Iframed' off the DBA > (http://www.databaseadvisors.com) site. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:32 PM > To: Salakhetdinov Shamil; Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related > programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > > ...Alexd Dybenko linked your codeplex northwind.net site in his Alex & > Access newsletter. > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:06 PM > To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB]ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > > > > > Thank you in advance, Robert. > > > > -- > > Shamil > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Robert L. Stewart" > > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com > > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:26:03 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > > > >> Shamil, > >> > >> Since I have not done it yet, I cannot answer that. > >> But, I will do some testing over the weekend and > >> let you know what I find out. > >> > >> Robert > >> > >> At 12:00 PM 4/29/2009, you wrote: > >> >Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:41:08 +0400 > >> >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil > >> >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > >> >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > >> > issues." > >> >Message-ID: > >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > >> > > >> > > >> >Hi Robert, > >> > > >> >I'm only starting with EF, and from other posts on Web I have got an > >> >impression that it's not pssible to map selection SPs to entities in > >> >VS2008 SP1 - is that correct information? (they say the mapping > >> >feature exists in VS2010 to be released somewhere end of this year) > >> > > >> >Yes, I realize I can extend entities' (partial?) classes manually - > >> >and use custom SPs in such extensions - are you doing something like > >> >that? > >> > > >> >Thank you. > >> > > >> >-- > >> >Shamil > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-VB mailing list > >> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Sat May 9 06:06:23 2009 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 12:06:23 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello All, Sorry that I did not respond too much in recent weeks, as you all have, I am also rather busy here. However, I did want to let you know that two weeks ago, I did download and spend 3-4 hours playing with and reviewing the application that including at that time the navigation feature. The version that I got from Source control did load Gustav's navigator, and it looked good. The nodes were still from Gustav's original project, but for my own enjoyment, I did wire one of the nodes to the categories form and it appeared to work very well. I noticed that it prevented me from loading multiple instances of the same form, which I took to be a good thing. What I did not see, and currently assume that there is not an easy way to do it, is to use the navigator like the MS Access SwitchBoard manager. This would be a real addition to this utility, but I guess at that point we would look at all options, including purchasing an add-in. Regarding the reports, I just got them working today from VS2008, I currently cannot get them to run in Vista Ultimate, as a website, but that is most likely an environmental issue on my machine, however, I have already spent 2-3 hours on that today, IIS7 looks quite different to IIS6. What I do want to say is that the reports look really great, and I am quite excited to see how easily I can create similar reports myself. Shamil / Gustav, do I need to go anything for you for this project at this point ? I wish I could offer to more, but my terrible slowness with the .Net Environment kills me. I would love to participate at some level of hte unit tests, but I would need someone to help me to get started if I was to be of any use to you or me. Thanks Mark 2009/5/8 Salakhetdinov Shamil > Hi Gustav at all, > > I must say I'm doing some programming for my customers here too. > > No, we didn't have that much feeback from our "customer" for the currently > published version. > > The next planned steps are: > > - v.1.5 of Northwind.NET with MDI interface + navigation functionality > separated into custom class(es) and tested using NUnit or MS Visual Studio > testing features if that are freely available i.e. not part of MS VS Team > System ; > - v.2.0 of Northwind.NET with MDI interface - treeview driven with paged > data retrieval + introducing Northwind Business Domain Model to use it for > data entry/edit validation; > > I have also got proposal/request from Alex Dybenko to implement a brief > video to show how to "wrap" .NET code into COM-callable classlibs as well to > implement a sample Web Service delivering MS ADO recordsets to VBA clients > to bind to e.g. MS Access Forms or to use in MS Excel worksheets... > > If anybody is free currently to implement any of the above > functionality/samples or if anybody wanted to discuss them or to change the > above todo list - let's discuss it here... > > Thank you. > > -- > Shamil > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Gustav Brock" > To: > Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 22:35:57 +0200 > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released > > > Hi Shamil et al > > > > I've been busy with other tasks (for a living) ans still am at some > extent so I've lost track of what the next step in the process or project > is? > > Did we get the planned feedback from our "customer" of the project? > > > > /gustav > > > > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 28-04-2009 21:34 >>> > > Hi All, > > > > Northwind.NET v.1.2 (sources and executables) released on > > > > > http://northwind.codeplex.com/Release/ProjectReleases.aspx?ReleaseId=26600 > > > > This version has: > > > > 1) WinForms sample application with MS SQL 2005/2008 BE; > > 2) WinForms sample application with MS Access BE; > > 3) ASP.NET sample reporting website with MS Access BE. > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- > > Shamil > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue May 12 14:36:03 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:36:03 +0200 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released Message-ID: Hi all Still recovering from a second instance of the flu (not H1N1A) within 6 months (what did I do?) browsing hundreds of messages, I'm a bit late on forwarding this from Shamil which was trapped by some stupid spam filter somewhere on the 10th of May: Hi Mark and All, This project was started as SCRUM one, which (SCRUM) implies a lot of teamwork and a lot of feedback. So far it was not that much (as expected) teamwork (mainly on evaluation/start-up phase) and almost none feedback. We have to handle these issues right now - and I'm asking for your advise how you wanted to approach those issues and to effectively solve them. Let's call the current phase of our project a retrospection phase, and let's have it deadlines set for two weeks: 11-MAY-09 - 25-MAY-09. All and every opinions and proposals are very welcome. Let's freeze work on v.1.5 and v.2.0 during these weeks - I personally can't handle quickly them alone as I have to work for my customers, and making v.1.5 and v.2.0 as a team is looking now questionable (please correct me if I'm wrong) as we do not have currently a team with intermediate/advanced C#/SQL development qualification and personal tutoring of beginning C# developers, which can be done currently only by Gustav and myself, is very time consuming. As well we do not have active discussion on detailed v.1.5 and v.2.0 functionality and in SCRUM the requirements are defined by ProductOwner/stake holders/customers/external audience/market demands not by the SCRUMMaster/SCRUM team developers (as developers tend to do more what they like to do (fun and sometimes tricky programming) not the real life software development - we all know that from our own experience ) If you look at the project downloads/pages views/visits stats here: http://northwind.codeplex.com/stats you'll find that we have got 500+ downloads during last 20 days - that's not bad at all. But from that 500+ downloads we have got just one review and link (from Alex Dybenko), and we have got linked by Jim Lawrence from AccessAdvisors site. The 500+ downloads show that there is an interest of developers to the subject of this project but absence of feedback is confusing (here) as I wanted to have this project to be feedback/market demand driven not just as exercises in teamwork/learning by doing experience. Of course exercises in teamwork and learning by doing experience are useful but without active feedback we risk to end up doing "mad scientist exercises" not learning/demonstrating real development stuff applicable in real life business software development... How well feedback works shows the fact of my contacting with Alex Dybenko and giving him an url to northwind.codeplex.com (that time without "Welcome", "Mission Statement" etc. info and having just Northwind.NET with MS SQL backend) - I must say first reaction of Alex was rather skeptical but after I added "Welcome", "Mission Statement" etc. (and Arthur and Gustav edited this text), and I have also made downgrading Northwind.NET to use MS Access backend, as well as ASP.NET reporting sample with MS Access backend, then added COM callable classlib contacting web service - after that I have got positive feedback from Alex and he blogged on our project and also Jim Lawrence referred northwind.codeplex.com from AccessAdvisors web site - as you can see just one feedback contact resulted in "some fluctuations" of our roadmap, which brought 500+ downloads... I do think that the most important task now is to get active feedback, which will make corrections to our roadmap and which will drive our development: the best tool we can use now is the "Word Of Mouth" to persuade developers who get our stuff downloaded to give us active *constructive* feedback (as Alex Dybenko did) for us to "convert this feedback" into even more interesting stuff to get downloaded by developers and used by them not only "to individually dig out into samples" but to have the stuff ready to be applied (with some rework/additional work) to their everyday (IT development) business tasks... As for tutoring our team C# development beginners - as I noted above doing that personally is very time consuming - the idea is to somehow make this personal tutoring/coaching publicly available (that public availability will bring even more feedback I expect), and we can do that by publishing short sample videos. But making such videos the way I did it by taking screenshots, then putting them into MS Movie Maker, then adding comments etc. is not looking as the right/professional way to do (and is time consuming) - I suppose that using Camtasia Studio (http://www.techsmith.com/camtasia.asp) would be more effective and would produce more useful videos. And we can make such videos as a team by sharing the tasks: one gets prepared scenarios, one gets video recorded, another one with native English makes voice recording, another one makes all kinds of video effects etc. But Camtasia Studio isn't free (USD299) - if it would be possible to get a shared license for our team (just for USD299?) I'd not mind to invest some money in purchasing it... What do you think about all the above? Please make your proposals how to activate feedback - please "brain-storm" this issue assuming we have unlimited resources - when analysing proposals we will sort out/put on hold proposals we can't work with now because of some limitations... Thank you. -- Shamil >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 09-05-2009 13:06 >>> Shamil / Gustav, do I need to go anything for you for this project at this point ? From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue May 12 16:10:43 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 01:10:43 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?U0NSVU06IE5vcnRod2luZC5ORVQgdi4xLjIgUmVsZWFz?= =?koi8-r?b?ZWQ=?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you, Gustav, for forwarding my e-mail. I wish you got recovered from flu ASAP. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:36:03 +0200 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released > Hi all > > Still recovering from a second instance of the flu (not H1N1A) within 6 months (what did I do?) browsing hundreds of messages, I'm a bit late on forwarding this from Shamil which was trapped by some stupid spam filter somewhere on the 10th of May: > > Hi Mark and All, > > This project was started as SCRUM one, which (SCRUM) implies a lot of > teamwork and a lot of feedback. So far it was not that much (as expected) > teamwork (mainly on evaluation/start-up phase) and almost none feedback. We > have to handle these issues right now - and I'm asking for your advise how <<< skip >>> From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed May 13 06:25:17 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:25:17 +0200 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released Message-ID: Hi Shamil Well, that download count is already at 600+, so I think you are right - the description and purpose really makes a difference. Actually, I'm convinced it has, as I often myself have felt lost when studying a project at SourceForce or elsewhere with pages of change logs but nearly nothing about what the project is for or why I should download it not to say get involved. Very nerdy, and we all are so busy so spending half an hour to find out what you could have read in two minutes from a text is not going to happen. I have no formula to get the teamwork to operate more smoothly. Two problems exist. First, the different level/experience of the members; second, the lack of priority. The first is natural with the diverse backgrounds and interests we have. However, I don't think anyone expects special education videos, only advice and links to relevant material. When you take the time to make a video I'm impressed, as I wouldn't know where to get the time to create such even though it could be fun. The second as hard too, as most of us have a job for a living and also - for some - even a life of some kind (even Drew who used to burn his house down but I think he stopped that activity). Thus, projects like this will be assigned second priority and this can mean zero attention for days, even weeks. This could perhaps be met by some members working together as one "member" hoping that at least one is active. Of course, just a few more participants would help a lot, and perhaps some discussion can attract some. Yes, that's you - the reader - feel free to join! At this moment I've already learnt a lot - having seen the value of subversion in action is alone worth all the trouble - and I would love to experience the SCRUM process in full too - at this moment I think we have had only a little more than the smell of it - just enough to feel the potential. /gustav >>> Gustav at cactus.dk 12-05-2009 21:36 >>> Hi all Still recovering from a second instance of the flu (not H1N1A) within 6 months (what did I do?) browsing hundreds of messages, I'm a bit late on forwarding this from Shamil which was trapped by some stupid spam filter somewhere on the 10th of May: Hi Mark and All, This project was started as SCRUM one, which (SCRUM) implies a lot of teamwork and a lot of feedback. So far it was not that much (as expected) teamwork (mainly on evaluation/start-up phase) and almost none feedback. We have to handle these issues right now - and I'm asking for your advise how you wanted to approach those issues and to effectively solve them. Let's call the current phase of our project a retrospection phase, and let's have it deadlines set for two weeks: 11-MAY-09 - 25-MAY-09. All and every opinions and proposals are very welcome. Let's freeze work on v.1.5 and v.2.0 during these weeks - I personally can't handle quickly them alone as I have to work for my customers, and making v.1.5 and v.2.0 as a team is looking now questionable (please correct me if I'm wrong) as we do not have currently a team with intermediate/advanced C#/SQL development qualification and personal tutoring of beginning C# developers, which can be done currently only by Gustav and myself, is very time consuming. As well we do not have active discussion on detailed v.1.5 and v.2.0 functionality and in SCRUM the requirements are defined by ProductOwner/stake holders/customers/external audience/market demands not by the SCRUMMaster/SCRUM team developers (as developers tend to do more what they like to do (fun and sometimes tricky programming) not the real life software development - we all know that from our own experience ) If you look at the project downloads/pages views/visits stats here: http://northwind.codeplex.com/stats you'll find that we have got 500+ downloads during last 20 days - that's not bad at all. But from that 500+ downloads we have got just one review and link (from Alex Dybenko), and we have got linked by Jim Lawrence from AccessAdvisors site. The 500+ downloads show that there is an interest of developers to the subject of this project but absence of feedback is confusing (here) as I wanted to have this project to be feedback/market demand driven not just as exercises in teamwork/learning by doing experience. Of course exercises in teamwork and learning by doing experience are useful but without active feedback we risk to end up doing "mad scientist exercises" not learning/demonstrating real development stuff applicable in real life business software development... How well feedback works shows the fact of my contacting with Alex Dybenko and giving him an url to northwind.codeplex.com (that time without "Welcome", "Mission Statement" etc. info and having just Northwind.NET with MS SQL backend) - I must say first reaction of Alex was rather skeptical but after I added "Welcome", "Mission Statement" etc. (and Arthur and Gustav edited this text), and I have also made downgrading Northwind.NET to use MS Access backend, as well as ASP.NET reporting sample with MS Access backend, then added COM callable classlib contacting web service - after that I have got positive feedback from Alex and he blogged on our project and also Jim Lawrence referred northwind.codeplex.com from AccessAdvisors web site - as you can see just one feedback contact resulted in "some fluctuations" of our roadmap, which brought 500+ downloads... I do think that the most important task now is to get active feedback, which will make corrections to our roadmap and which will drive our development: the best tool we can use now is the "Word Of Mouth" to persuade developers who get our stuff downloaded to give us active *constructive* feedback (as Alex Dybenko did) for us to "convert this feedback" into even more interesting stuff to get downloaded by developers and used by them not only "to individually dig out into samples" but to have the stuff ready to be applied (with some rework/additional work) to their everyday (IT development) business tasks... As for tutoring our team C# development beginners - as I noted above doing that personally is very time consuming - the idea is to somehow make this personal tutoring/coaching publicly available (that public availability will bring even more feedback I expect), and we can do that by publishing short sample videos. But making such videos the way I did it by taking screenshots, then putting them into MS Movie Maker, then adding comments etc. is not looking as the right/professional way to do (and is time consuming) - I suppose that using Camtasia Studio (http://www.techsmith.com/camtasia.asp) would be more effective and would produce more useful videos. And we can make such videos as a team by sharing the tasks: one gets prepared scenarios, one gets video recorded, another one with native English makes voice recording, another one makes all kinds of video effects etc. But Camtasia Studio isn't free (USD299) - if it would be possible to get a shared license for our team (just for USD299?) I'd not mind to invest some money in purchasing it... What do you think about all the above? Please make your proposals how to activate feedback - please "brain-storm" this issue assuming we have unlimited resources - when analysing proposals we will sort out/put on hold proposals we can't work with now because of some limitations... Thank you. -- Shamil >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 09-05-2009 13:06 >>> Shamil / Gustav, do I need to go anything for you for this project at this point ? From robert at webedb.com Wed May 13 13:09:37 2009 From: robert at webedb.com (Robert Stewart) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:09:37 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200905131810.n4DIA7pV002070@databaseadvisors.com> Guys, I got in late on this project you are trying to do. I have downloaded the project. I have downloaded the Northwind database and attached it on SQL 2008. I have change the database connection in settings.settings to my SQL Server. I cannot get to the data. Is there something I am missing? I would like to get it running so I can give you feedback on it. Robert At 12:00 PM 5/13/2009, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:25:17 +0200 >From: "Gustav Brock" >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released >To: >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > >Hi Shamil > >Well, that download count is already at 600+, so I think you are >right - the description and purpose really makes a difference. >Actually, I'm convinced it has, as I often myself have felt lost >when studying a project at SourceForce or elsewhere with pages of >change logs but nearly nothing about what the project is for or why >I should download it not to say get involved. Very nerdy, and we all >are so busy so spending half an hour to find out what you could have >read in two minutes from a text is not going to happen. > >I have no formula to get the teamwork to operate more smoothly. Two >problems exist. First, the different level/experience of the >members; second, the lack of priority. >The first is natural with the diverse backgrounds and interests we >have. However, I don't think anyone expects special education >videos, only advice and links to relevant material. When you take >the time to make a video I'm impressed, as I wouldn't know where to >get the time to create such even though it could be fun. >The second as hard too, as most of us have a job for a living and >also - for some - even a life of some kind (even Drew who used to >burn his house down but I think he stopped that activity). Thus, >projects like this will be assigned second priority and this can >mean zero attention for days, even weeks. This could perhaps be met >by some members working together as one "member" hoping that at >least one is active. > >Of course, just a few more participants would help a lot, and >perhaps some discussion can attract some. Yes, that's you - the >reader - feel free to join! > >At this moment I've already learnt a lot - having seen the value of >subversion in action is alone worth all the trouble - and I would >love to experience the SCRUM process in full too - at this moment I >think we have had only a little more than the smell of it - just >enough to feel the potential. > >/gustav From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed May 13 14:10:34 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 23:10:34 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?U0NSVU06IE5vcnRod2luZC5ORVQgdi4xLjIgUmVsZWFz?= =?koi8-r?b?ZWQ=?= In-Reply-To: <200905131810.n4DIA7pV002070@databaseadvisors.com> References: <200905131810.n4DIA7pV002070@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Hi Robert, Please have a look at this entry: http://northwind.codeplex.com/SourceControl/changeset/view/11345#134202 If it will not help please write in more details what is happening on your PC? What error messages are you getting? Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stewart To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:09:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released > Guys, > > I got in late on this project you are trying to do. > I have downloaded the project. > I have downloaded the Northwind database and attached it on SQL 2008. > I have change the database connection in settings.settings to my SQL Server. > > I cannot get to the data. > Is there something I am missing? > > I would like to get it running so I can give you feedback on it. > > Robert > > At 12:00 PM 5/13/2009, you wrote: > >Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:25:17 +0200 > >From: "Gustav Brock" > >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released > >To: > >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > > >Hi Shamil > > > >Well, that download count is already at 600+, so I think you are > >right - the description and purpose really makes a difference. > >Actually, I'm convinced it has, as I often myself have felt lost > >when studying a project at SourceForce or elsewhere with pages of > >change logs but nearly nothing about what the project is for or why > >I should download it not to say get involved. Very nerdy, and we all > >are so busy so spending half an hour to find out what you could have > >read in two minutes from a text is not going to happen. > > > >I have no formula to get the teamwork to operate more smoothly. Two > >problems exist. First, the different level/experience of the > >members; second, the lack of priority. > >The first is natural with the diverse backgrounds and interests we > >have. However, I don't think anyone expects special education > >videos, only advice and links to relevant material. When you take > >the time to make a video I'm impressed, as I wouldn't know where to > >get the time to create such even though it could be fun. > >The second as hard too, as most of us have a job for a living and > >also - for some - even a life of some kind (even Drew who used to > >burn his house down but I think he stopped that activity). Thus, > >projects like this will be assigned second priority and this can > >mean zero attention for days, even weeks. This could perhaps be met > >by some members working together as one "member" hoping that at > >least one is active. > > > >Of course, just a few more participants would help a lot, and > >perhaps some discussion can attract some. Yes, that's you - the > >reader - feel free to join! > > > >At this moment I've already learnt a lot - having seen the value of > >subversion in action is alone worth all the trouble - and I would > >love to experience the SCRUM process in full too - at this moment I > >think we have had only a little more than the smell of it - just > >enough to feel the potential. > > > >/gustav > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From robert at webedb.com Thu May 14 15:36:15 2009 From: robert at webedb.com (Robert Stewart) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 15:36:15 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200905142036.n4EKamrk010250@databaseadvisors.com> Like a dummy, I found the database in the download. That was the problem. Feedback coming later. At 12:00 PM 5/14/2009, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 23:10:34 +0400 >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > issues." >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > > >Hi Robert, > >Please have a look at this entry: > >http://northwind.codeplex.com/SourceControl/changeset/view/11345#134202 > >If it will not help please write in more details what is happening >on your PC? What error messages are you getting? > >Thank you. > >-- >Shamil From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri May 15 05:35:05 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 14:35:05 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?U0NSVU06IE5vcnRod2luZC5ORVQgdi4xLjIgUmVsZWFz?= =?koi8-r?b?ZWQ=?= In-Reply-To: <200905142036.n4EKamrk010250@databaseadvisors.com> References: <200905142036.n4EKamrk010250@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Thank you, Robert. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stewart To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 15:36:15 -0500 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released > Like a dummy, I found the database in the download. That was the problem. > Feedback coming later. > > At 12:00 PM 5/14/2009, you wrote: > >Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 23:10:34 +0400 > >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil > >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released > >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > > issues." > >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > > > > > >Hi Robert, > > > >Please have a look at this entry: > > > >http://northwind.codeplex.com/SourceControl/changeset/view/11345#134202 > > > >If it will not help please write in more details what is happening > >on your PC? What error messages are you getting? > > > >Thank you. > > > >-- > >Shamil > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Sat May 16 04:33:55 2009 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 17:33:55 +0800 Subject: [dba-VB] free VS2005 / VS2008 add-in for Tortoise SVN Message-ID: Hello All, I downloaded and have been using for a few days a free openssource add-in named ANKH for Tortoise and SVN. It works perfectly, once you get the installation versions correct. There are Tortoise Versions 1.5.x and 1.6.x and you have to choose the matching version of ANKH. Once you do that, you get full SCCS included in VS2005. I have not yet tested VS2008 but they report that it works. HTH Mark From marklbreen at gmail.com Sat May 16 12:06:39 2009 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 01:06:39 +0800 Subject: [dba-VB] free VS2005 / VS2008 add-in for Tortoise SVN - SCRUM Message-ID: Hi all, justed updated the subject line here for those that have a filter for SCRUM. thanks Mark 2009/5/16 Mark Breen > Hello All, > > I downloaded and have been using for a few days a free openssource add-in > named ANKH for Tortoise and SVN. > > It works perfectly, once you get the installation versions correct. There > are Tortoise Versions 1.5.x and 1.6.x and you have to choose the matching > version of ANKH. > > Once you do that, you get full SCCS included in VS2005. I have not yet > tested VS2008 but they report that it works. > > HTH > > Mark > > > > > From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed May 20 13:09:26 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 14:09:26 -0400 Subject: [dba-VB] Column's not declared by column name Message-ID: I used VB Express 8.0 to retrieve a dataset from Northwind's Customers table. I dragged that onto a form to create a quick datagridview control. I wanted to disable the automatic column sorting for a specific column, so I added the following to the form's Load event: Me.DataGridViewTextBoxContactTitle.SortMode = DataGridViewColumnSortMode.NotSortable where ContactTitle is the column's name. It returned a Build error that the column wasn't a member of the form. Using Intellisense, I could see that it doesn't list the columns by name, but by number. I substitued ContactTitle with Column4, and it works just fine. I don't get it -- is there a setting that I need to flag differently or something? This goes against every guideline I know! Susan H. From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed May 20 13:55:42 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 14:55:42 -0400 Subject: [dba-VB] How to limit number of rows in datagridview control Message-ID: <38C545EDDC8843FDA34B0503888A4CE3@SusanOne> Using VB Express 8, I added the following to a form class with a datagridview control, expecting it to limit the number of rows displayed in the grid, so that the edit row is immediately visible. It doesn't return an error, but it doesn't seem to do anything at all either -- view is the same with or without this sub. Private Sub CustomersDataGridView_RowValidated(ByVal sender As Object, ByVal e As System.Windows.Forms.DataGridViewCellEventArgs) Handles CustomersDataGridView.RowValidated CustomersDataGridView.FirstDisplayedScrollingRowIndex = CustomersDataGridView.Rows.Count - 5 End Sub Susan H. From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu May 21 10:54:45 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 17:54:45 +0200 Subject: [dba-VB] Scrum FW: www.daptiv.com Message-ID: Hi Rocky Thanks! Looks though like a tool aimed at enterprises at a not published (= enterprise level) cost. /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 18-05-2009 23:55 >>> Dear Scrummers: I got a call from this guy last week. Thought the info might be of interest to you guys. HTH Rocky ________________________________ From: Richard Hawes [mailto:rhawes at daptiv.com] Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 2:46 PM To: info at bchacc.com Subject: www.daptiv.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu May 21 11:32:38 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 12:32:38 -0400 Subject: [dba-VB] SOLVED Fw: How to limit number of rows in datagridview control Message-ID: Okay, the statement didn't require a sub of its own. I dropped the statement into the existing sub that filled the tableadapter and it works just fine! Susan H. > Okay, after discussing this a bit with Charlotte, she says the problem is > the TableAdaptor -- the VB Configuration Wizard uses a TableAdapter to > populate the control. I'm researching this morning, but I can't seem to > find anything on editing the TableAdaptor to show only the last few > records and the edit row, instead of displaying all of the records. > > Any help? > > Susan H. > >> Using VB Express 8, I added the following to a form class with a >> datagridview control, expecting it to limit the number of rows displayed >> in the grid, so that the edit row is immediately visible. It doesn't >> return an error, but it doesn't seem to do anything at all either -- view >> is the same with or without this sub. >> >> Private Sub CustomersDataGridView_RowValidated(ByVal sender As Object, >> ByVal e As System.Windows.Forms.DataGridViewCellEventArgs) Handles >> CustomersDataGridView.RowValidated >> >> CustomersDataGridView.FirstDisplayedScrollingRowIndex = >> CustomersDataGridView.Rows.Count - 5 >> >> End Sub >> >> Susan H. >> > From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu May 21 10:34:38 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 11:34:38 -0400 Subject: [dba-VB] Fw: How to limit number of rows in datagridview control Message-ID: Okay, after discussing this a bit with Charlotte, she says the problem is the TableAdaptor -- the VB Configuration Wizard uses a TableAdapter to populate the control. I'm researching this morning, but I can't seem to find anything on editing the TableAdaptor to show only the last few records and the edit row, instead of displaying all of the records. Any help? Susan H. > Using VB Express 8, I added the following to a form class with a > datagridview control, expecting it to limit the number of rows displayed > in the grid, so that the edit row is immediately visible. It doesn't > return an error, but it doesn't seem to do anything at all either -- view > is the same with or without this sub. > > Private Sub CustomersDataGridView_RowValidated(ByVal sender As Object, > ByVal e As System.Windows.Forms.DataGridViewCellEventArgs) Handles > CustomersDataGridView.RowValidated > > CustomersDataGridView.FirstDisplayedScrollingRowIndex = > CustomersDataGridView.Rows.Count - 5 > > End Sub > > Susan H. > From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu May 21 12:02:57 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 19:02:57 +0200 Subject: [dba-VB] Fw: How to limit number of rows in datagridview control Message-ID: Hi Susan That's not the purpose of a DataTableAdapter. But you could achieve this by adjusting the SQL of the query in the adapter (right-click on it, pick Modify SQL). This is, however, what Shamil refers to as "custom in-line SQL" and warns against as it can be difficult to maintain. He has a point and recommends building a SP that produce the desired limited output and then create an adapter for that. I have used the modified SQL method a lot and have no problem with it, so this is a matter of preference, previous experience, how you define this - as belonging to the database or (as a business rule) to the application, and who is going to maintain the system in the future. As alway in .Net - many ways to skin the cat. /gustav >>> ssharkins at gmail.com 21-05-2009 17:34 >>> Okay, after discussing this a bit with Charlotte, she says the problem is the TableAdaptor -- the VB Configuration Wizard uses a TableAdapter to populate the control. I'm researching this morning, but I can't seem to find anything on editing the TableAdaptor to show only the last few records and the edit row, instead of displaying all of the records. Any help? Susan H. > Using VB Express 8, I added the following to a form class with a > datagridview control, expecting it to limit the number of rows displayed > in the grid, so that the edit row is immediately visible. It doesn't > return an error, but it doesn't seem to do anything at all either -- view > is the same with or without this sub. > > Private Sub CustomersDataGridView_RowValidated(ByVal sender As Object, > ByVal e As System.Windows.Forms.DataGridViewCellEventArgs) Handles > CustomersDataGridView.RowValidated > > CustomersDataGridView.FirstDisplayedScrollingRowIndex = > CustomersDataGridView.Rows.Count - 5 > > End Sub > > Susan H. From administrivia at databaseadvisors.com Sat May 23 14:03:33 2009 From: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com (administrivia at databaseadvisors.com) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 16:03:33 -0300 Subject: [dba-VB] Acai Diet will burn your unwanted fat. 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In a recent Harvard Business Review interview of Toyota's president, he observed, "...when 70 years of very small improvements accumulate, they become a revolution. http://www.infoq.com/presentations/born-to-cycle Thank you. --- Shamil From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue May 26 15:21:39 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 00:21:39 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?RllJOiBTQ1JVTS9BZ2lsZTogVGhlIEpveXMgYW5kIFBh?= =?koi8-r?b?aW5zIG9mIGEgTG9uZyBMaXZlZCBDb2RlYmFzZQ==?= Message-ID: Presented by Jeremy D. Miller on May 24, 2009 07:26 AM In this presentation recorded at QCon SF 2008, Jeremy D. Miller shares lessons learned while developing a project over 5 years. He talks about his mistakes, what to avoid and how to design, code and test better. http://www.infoq.com/presentations/Lessons-Learned-Jeremy-Miller --- Shamil From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed May 27 04:02:58 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:02:58 +0200 Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle Message-ID: Hi Shamil Thanks for these links. If someone get the idea that it was time for a little relax, you keep us busy! /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 26-05-2009 19:28 >>> Born To Cycle Agile development is not about doing a set of practices, it's about a way of "being," it's about learning. How is this learning accomplished? By taking brief pauses after small experiments, even large problems can be solved. In a recent Harvard Business Review interview of Toyota's president, he observed, "...when 70 years of very small improvements accumulate, they become a revolution. http://www.infoq.com/presentations/born-to-cycle Thank you. --- Shamil From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed May 27 10:59:56 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:59:56 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?RllJOiBTQ1JVTS9BZ2lsZSAtIEJvcm4gVG8gQ3ljbGU=?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav and all, Thank you for your joyful note, Gustav :) I posted the link on Linda Rising's presentation on QCon 2008 to point on an interesting fact/proven by many experiments investigation she is "cycling" through: I mean that to be productive one better work in 90 minutes long non-interrupting cycles, and then make a break for 20-30 minues switching on doing something very different. She is also noting that human's brain multi-tasking is unnatural activity and in long run it not only harms one's health but it also doesn't result in overall higher results/outputs achieved - in fact the opposite is true - the overall results/outputs are lower, the quality are lower also etc. ... And now getting back to NorthWind.NET :) As far as I see there is no that much activity here retrospecting this project. That's a pity as without retrospection making another project the same way would result in the same errors and incosistencies. Still I wanted to make some Northwind.NET follow-up projects but this time doing really teamwork with nearly equal share of workload and this time using 90 minutes long (daily) SPRINTs scientifically approved by Linda Rising's experiments :) I'd propose currently freeze doing WinForms development in Northwind.NET project as it nor did bring active discussions here nor did it result in many downloads from northwind.codeplex.com - I'd propose to make some "cool things" instead as WPF desktop Northwind.NET application development for starters using ordinary ADO.NET Datasets to communcate with backend or ADO.NET Entity Framework or I can make (mainly by generating) a custom ORM layer... I do not know is that a generally well known fact or not but doing WPF even a developer without graphic artist's skills can develop really high level (animated) visually attractive "cool" GUI with many "skins" which can be changed even on-the-fly etc. I'd go for that project in the case we can make a team here of max 7+/-2 developers but the team members have to commit they will spend 90min x3 = 4.5 hours/week: if they will commit but then in the very beginning of the project/in the middle it will happen they all quit or will not work commited time amount of 4.5 hours/week as it happened to Northwind.NET v.1.0 then I'd suspend such a project in a team waiting for the team to rearrange to have again full crew of 7+/-2 developers working and communicating actively... Another project if WPF is not that attractive/appealing could be ASP.NET with AJAX and MVC Framework but for ASP.NET we have to have a graphic artist in our team to make nice looking interface and also for ASP.NET we have to have a publicly avaible ASP.NET test hosting site - I currently have one but I cannot use its MS SQL databases (I have only two leased/rented) for public projects as they are used for my own/my customers' test projects and as extending the set of available MS SQL database is costly. There is also mySQL database on that site but I'm almost zero level with mySQL, and I'd avoid using it... I'm open for other proposals... All in all a WPF project looks here currently the most interesting opportunity as the end result could be really nice looking GUI so unusual(?) for MS Access interfaces/VB6 and VB.NET/C# Winfroms interfaces, and as WPF development knowledge should pay back well when one will have projects in the area of XBAP and SilverLight development - quite promising modern development areas. I personally have experience in developing one WPF project from scratch and another one legacy rather advanced I got for some fine tuning of its GUI - IOW we will not start from "blank list" here - I will be able to answer some questions. Although I must say I haven't not that much data binding in WPF - as far as I know it is not that advanced in VS2008 as WinForms binding is... I'd recommend books on WPF subject - "Windows Presentation Foundation Unleashed" by Adam Nathan and "WPF Recipes in C# 2008 (A Problem Solution Approach)" by Sam Noble at all. I'd also note that if we will make this new project we have to decide what to do with SVN: the issue is that to publish the sources from Mark's SVN Server to CodePlex one requires quite some manual error prone work - I have done that publishing several times - every time it took 2 or more hours - we can continue doing that manual publishing but then again we have to share that manual work by every team member: and that manual work looks rather high overhead - therefore before starting the new project we or should find a way to automate this publishing or switch to CodePlex SVN server, which is not so useful as Mark's one during parallel development of the same project as it (CodePlex SVN Server) doesn't allow to lock files etc. I could be missing something - please correct me if I'm wrong but for Northwind.NET I have spent more than 10 hours just to publish the code from Mark's server on Codeplex server: without file's locking feature we will have to be careful while working on the same code - communicating often just to not overwrite each other code editing (no we will not loose it but time to get it back/coordinate if one other's edits are overwritten could be rather time consuming per se) - and communication on technical tasks as "watching each other edits" could be also rather high overhead... As the last point of this message I'd give a refence on another interesting IMO information: http://www.infoq.com/articles/Grid-Azure-3-David-Pallmann "Grid Computing on the Azure Cloud Computing Platform, Part 3: Running a Grid Application" - this is a grid application written using WPF and C# and running on Azure cloud - we can do something like that in the future I guess although I'm not sure can such a test app be hosted./un for free or not... Thank you. -- Shamil From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed May 27 11:48:25 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:48:25 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?RllJOiBTQ1JVTS9BZ2lsZSAtIEJvcm4gVG8gQ3ljbGU=?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi All, ... Continuing the subject of 90 minutes SPRINTs 3 times a week for a new Northwind.Net project and where to find that time: - Linda Rising gives a real life example of a women-writer who did write a whole new book in 90 days using several 90 minutes "SPRINTs" per day - before that she tried to multi-task in small time chunks constantly switching between writing book(s), doing some other work, answering phone calls, reading/writings e-mails etc. - the end result was lower... - I recently started to walk everyday for approx. 90 minutes on a seaside of Finnish Gulf where I live (before I did get watched Linda Rising's presentation :) ) - did I have got some time limitation now for my development work or other things? Nope. I noted I'm spending now less time for reading/writing e-mails and for browsing Internet than before - and I have the same or more time for main work and experimenting/self-education when needed, and I'm getting more healthy/fit with every my walk on seaside :) I mean I suppose that finding time for three 90 minutes SPRINTs within a week is possible for everybody here if they really interested to do something real... together... there is such a good opportunity now... there is a proof for doubtful ones - running northwind.codeplex.com that - a proof/evidence that teamwork as we did it with all its inevitable errors and inconsistencies still could bring really useful and interesting for many people results.... Now is your time to decide - keep spending your time multi-tasking doing main work, browsing Internet, reading/wrting e-mails, hanging in newsgroups, watching TV, trying to do some self-education in the modern development areas... or to free some time to make "cool" real life reseach&development things together working just(?) 90 minutes three times a week but in focused not-interrupting mode - the latter is not "must have" requirement but why not try to do it like that just once for the next small WPF project? Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: Salakhetdinov Shamil To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:59:56 +0400 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle > Hi Gustav and all, > > Thank you for your joyful note, Gustav :) > > I posted the link on Linda Rising's presentation on QCon 2008 to point on an interesting fact/proven by many experiments investigation she is "cycling" through: I mean that to be productive one better work in 90 minutes long non-interrupting cycles, and then make a break for 20-30 minues switching on doing something very different. She is also noting that human's brain multi-tasking is unnatural activity and in long run it not only harms one's health but it also doesn't result in overall higher results/outputs achieved - in fact the opposite is true - the overall results/outputs are lower, the quality are lower also etc. ... > > And now getting back to NorthWind.NET :) > > As far as I see there is no that much activity here retrospecting this project. That's a pity as without retrospection making another project the same way would result in the same errors and incosistencies. > > Still I wanted to make some Northwind.NET follow-up projects but this time doing really teamwork with nearly equal share of workload and this time using 90 minutes long (daily) SPRINTs scientifically approved by Linda Rising's experiments :) > > I'd propose currently freeze doing WinForms development in Northwind.NET project as it nor did bring active discussions here nor did it result in many downloads from northwind.codeplex.com - I'd propose to make some "cool things" instead as WPF desktop Northwind.NET application development for starters using ordinary ADO.NET Datasets to communcate with backend or ADO.NET Entity Framework or I can make (mainly by generating) a custom ORM layer... > > I do not know is that a generally well known fact or not but doing WPF even a developer without graphic artist's skills can develop really high level (animated) visually attractive "cool" GUI with many "skins" which can be changed even on-the-fly etc. > > I'd go for that project in the case we can make a team here of max 7+/-2 developers but the team members have to commit they will spend 90min x3 = 4.5 hours/week: if they will commit but then in the very beginning of the project/in the middle it will happen they all quit or will not work commited time amount of 4.5 hours/week as it happened to Northwind.NET v.1.0 then I'd suspend such a project in a team waiting for the team to rearrange to have again full crew of 7+/-2 developers working and communicating actively... > > Another project if WPF is not that attractive/appealing could be ASP.NET with AJAX and MVC Framework but for ASP.NET we have to have a graphic artist in our team to make nice looking interface and also for ASP.NET we have to have a publicly avaible ASP.NET test hosting site - I currently have one but I cannot use its MS SQL databases (I have only two leased/rented) for public projects as they are used for my own/my customers' test projects and as extending the set of available MS SQL database is costly. There is also mySQL database on that site but I'm almost zero level with mySQL, and I'd avoid using it... > > I'm open for other proposals... > > All in all a WPF project looks here currently the most interesting opportunity as the end result could be really nice looking GUI so unusual(?) for MS Access interfaces/VB6 and VB.NET/C# Winfroms interfaces, and as WPF development knowledge should pay back well when one will have projects in the area of XBAP and SilverLight development - quite promising modern development areas. > > I personally have experience in developing one WPF project from scratch and another one legacy rather advanced I got for some fine tuning of its GUI - IOW we will not start from "blank list" here - I will be able to answer some questions. Although I must say I haven't not that much data binding in WPF - as far as I know it is not that advanced in VS2008 as WinForms binding is... > > I'd recommend books on WPF subject - "Windows Presentation Foundation Unleashed" by Adam Nathan and "WPF Recipes in C# 2008 (A Problem Solution Approach)" by Sam Noble at all. > > I'd also note that if we will make this new project we have to decide what to do with SVN: the issue is that to publish the sources from Mark's SVN Server to CodePlex one requires quite some manual error prone work - I have done that publishing several times - every time it took 2 or more hours - we can continue doing that manual publishing but then again we have to share that manual work by every team member: and that manual work looks rather high overhead - therefore before starting the new project we or should find a way to automate this publishing or switch to CodePlex SVN server, which is not so useful as Mark's one during parallel development of the same project as it (CodePlex SVN Server) doesn't allow to lock files etc. I could be missing something - please correct me if I'm wrong but for Northwind.NET I have spent more than 10 hours just to publish the code from Mark's server on Codeplex server: without file's locking feature we will have to be careful while working! > on the same code - communicating often just to not overwrite each other code editing (no we will not loose it but time to get it back/coordinate if one other's edits are overwritten could be rather time consuming per se) - and communication on technical tasks as "watching each other edits" could be also rather high overhead... > > As the last point of this message I'd give a refence on another interesting IMO information: > > http://www.infoq.com/articles/Grid-Azure-3-David-Pallmann > > "Grid Computing on the Azure Cloud Computing Platform, Part 3: Running a Grid Application" - this is a grid application written using WPF and C# and running on Azure cloud - we can do something like that in the future I guess although I'm not sure can such a test app be hosted./un for free or not... > > Thank you. > > -- > Shamil > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed May 27 12:20:11 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:20:11 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?RllJOiBTQ1JVTS9BZ2lsZSAtIEJvcm4gVG8gQ3ljbGU=?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi All, Continuing the subject of Northwing.NET WPF project here are some "cool" samples you'll be able to use to "charge" your imagination to develop your own WPF user-friendly intuitive GUIs real soon - after we will make together one small Northwind.NET.WPF project :) Beatriz Costa's Solar System listbox styling using WPF http://www.beacosta.com/blog/?p=40 Almost no coding just XAML template - and a text list of Solar System planets is presented as "cool" looking graphics... A WPF Pie Chart with Data Binding Support http://www.codeproject.com/KB/WPF/PieChartDataBinding.aspx Fun With Physics http://www.codeproject.com/KB/WPF/PhysicsFun.aspx ... Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: Salakhetdinov Shamil To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:48:25 +0400 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle > Hi All, > > ... Continuing the subject of 90 minutes SPRINTs 3 times a week for a new Northwind.Net project and where to find that time: > > - Linda Rising gives a real life example of a women-writer who did write a whole new book in 90 days using several 90 minutes "SPRINTs" per day - before that she tried to multi-task in small time chunks constantly switching between writing book(s), doing some other work, answering phone calls, reading/writings e-mails etc. - the end result was lower... > > - I recently started to walk everyday for approx. 90 minutes on a seaside of Finnish Gulf where I live (before I did get watched Linda Rising's presentation :) ) - did I have got some time limitation now for my development work or other things? Nope. I noted I'm spending now less time for reading/writing e-mails and for browsing Internet than before - and I have the same or more time for main work and experimenting/self-education when needed, and I'm getting more healthy/fit with every my walk on seaside :) > > I mean I suppose that finding time for three 90 minutes SPRINTs within a week is possible for everybody here if they really interested to do something real... together... there is such a good opportunity now... there is a proof for doubtful ones - running northwind.codeplex.com that - a proof/evidence that teamwork as we did it with all its inevitable errors and inconsistencies still could bring really useful and interesting for many people results.... > > Now is your time to decide - keep spending your time multi-tasking doing main work, browsing Internet, reading/wrting e-mails, hanging in newsgroups, watching TV, trying to do some self-education in the modern development areas... or to free some time to make "cool" real life reseach&development things together working just(?) 90 minutes three times a week but in focused not-interrupting mode - the latter is not "must have" requirement but why not try to do it like that just once for the next small WPF project? > > Thank you. > > -- > Shamil > > -----Original Message----- > From: Salakhetdinov Shamil > To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." > Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:59:56 +0400 > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] > FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle > > > Hi Gustav and all, > > > > Thank you for your joyful note, Gustav :) > > > > I posted the link on Linda Rising's presentation on QCon 2008 to point on an interesting fact/proven by many experiments investigation she is "cycling" through: I mean that to be productive one better work in 90 minutes long non-interrupting cycles, and then make a break for 20-30 minues switching on doing something very different. She is also noting that human's brain multi-tasking is unnatural activity and in long run it not only harms one's health but it also doesn't result in overall higher results/outputs achieved - in fact the opposite is true - the overall results/outputs are lower, the quality are lower also etc. ... > > > > And now getting back to NorthWind.NET :) > > > > As far as I see there is no that much activity here retrospecting this project. That's a pity as without retrospection making another project the same way would result in the same errors and incosistencies. > > > > Still I wanted to make some Northwind.NET follow-up projects but this time doing really teamwork with nearly equal share of workload and this time using 90 minutes long (daily) SPRINTs scientifically approved by Linda Rising's experiments :) > > > > I'd propose currently freeze doing WinForms development in Northwind.NET project as it nor did bring active discussions here nor did it result in many downloads from northwind.codeplex.com - I'd propose to make some "cool things" instead as WPF desktop Northwind.NET application development for starters using ordinary ADO.NET Datasets to communcate with backend or ADO.NET Entity Framework or I can make (mainly by generating) a custom ORM layer... > > > > I do not know is that a generally well known fact or not but doing WPF even a developer without graphic artist's skills can develop really high level (animated) visually attractive "cool" GUI with many "skins" which can be changed even on-the-fly etc. > > > > I'd go for that project in the case we can make a team here of max 7+/-2 developers but the team members have to commit they will spend 90min x3 = 4.5 hours/week: if they will commit but then in the very beginning of the project/in the middle it will happen they all quit or will not work commited time amount of 4.5 hours/week as it happened to Northwind.NET v.1.0 then I'd suspend such a project in a team waiting for the team to rearrange to have again full crew of 7+/-2 developers working and communicating actively... > > > > Another project if WPF is not that attractive/appealing could be ASP.NET with AJAX and MVC Framework but for ASP.NET we have to have a graphic artist in our team to make nice looking interface and also for ASP.NET we have to have a publicly avaible ASP.NET test hosting site - I currently have one but I cannot use its MS SQL databases (I have only two leased/rented) for public projects as they are used for my own/my customers' test projects and as extending the set of available MS SQL database is costly. There is also mySQL database on that site but I'm almost zero level with mySQL, and I'd avoid using it... > > > > I'm open for other proposals... > > > > All in all a WPF project looks here currently the most interesting opportunity as the end result could be really nice looking GUI so unusual(?) for MS Access interfaces/VB6 and VB.NET/C# Winfroms interfaces, and as WPF development knowledge should pay back well when one will have projects in the area of XBAP and SilverLight development - quite promising modern development areas. > > > > I personally have experience in developing one WPF project from scratch and another one legacy rather advanced I got for some fine tuning of its GUI - IOW we will not start from "blank list" here - I will be able to answer some questions. Although I must say I haven't not that much data binding in WPF - as far as I know it is not that advanced in VS2008 as WinForms binding is... > > > > I'd recommend books on WPF subject - "Windows Presentation Foundation Unleashed" by Adam Nathan and "WPF Recipes in C# 2008 (A Problem Solution Approach)" by Sam Noble at all. > > > > I'd also note that if we will make this new project we have to decide what to do with SVN: the issue is that to publish the sources from Mark's SVN Server to CodePlex one requires quite some manual error prone work - I have done that publishing several times - every time it took 2 or more hours - we can continue doing that manual publishing but then again we have to share that manual work by every team member: and that manual work looks rather high overhead - therefore before starting the new project we or should find a way to automate this publishing or switch to CodePlex SVN server, which is not so useful as Mark's one during parallel development of the same project as it (CodePlex SVN Server) doesn't allow to lock files etc. I could be missing something - please correct me if I'm wrong but for Northwind.NET I have spent more than 10 hours just to publish the code from Mark's server on Codeplex server: without file's locking feature we will have to be careful while worki! > ng! > > on the same code - communicating often just to not overwrite each other code editing (no we will not loose it but time to get it back/coordinate if one other's edits are overwritten could be rather time consuming per se) - and communication on technical tasks as "watching each other edits" could be also rather high overhead... > > > > As the last point of this message I'd give a refence on another interesting IMO information: > > > > http://www.infoq.com/articles/Grid-Azure-3-David-Pallmann > > > > "Grid Computing on the Azure Cloud Computing Platform, Part 3: Running a Grid Application" - this is a grid application written using WPF and C# and running on Azure cloud - we can do something like that in the future I guess although I'm not sure can such a test app be hosted./un for free or not... > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- > > Shamil > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed May 27 16:44:36 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:44:36 -0400 Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <29f585dd0905271444m591364dcw13181619ee38b11b@mail.gmail.com> Hi Shamil, I have recently decided to retire from the profession of programming and instead live on my meager pension and become a hobbyist. As a result, I now have a lot more time available than previously, when I was either working or beating the bushes for work. It may happen that now and then I take a short-term contract, but I am no longer looking for gigs. They will have to look for me :) If the mountain will not come to Mohammed, etc. It feels quite liberating to declare myself retired. It means that I can unsubscribe from various lists that I was reading in an attempt to stay abreast. It also means there are no deadlines. Of course, there are prices to pay, but on the other hand I have no family, no mortgage and no car, so it's possible that I can live on the pittance that my pension pays. There won't be any vacations in Europe any more, but I can accept that. And on the up-side, I have several novels to plough through, and the library is a short walk away. I am not throwing in the towel as a programmer. Call it, if you wish, a sabbatical. I'm making enough time available to play with this project and a couple of others, all guaranteed to make no money, but all guaranteed to keep my brain stimulated. In short, although my participation in Round One was minimal, I now have the time to become more involved in Round Two. Arthur From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed May 27 19:28:50 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 04:28:50 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?RllJOiBTQ1JVTS9BZ2lsZSAtIEJvcm4gVG8gQ3ljbGU=?= In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0905271444m591364dcw13181619ee38b11b@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0905271444m591364dcw13181619ee38b11b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Arthur, Thank you. Let's try to do some WPF search&development while waiting for the team to gather? I think we can make one form XBAP sample applications - XBAP applications could be like that: http://shamils-4.hosting.parking.ru/xbap/Postcard3d.xbap or very simple like that http://shamils-4.hosting.parking.ru/xaml/WpfBrowserApplication1.xbap and they can be published on any Internet server as they do not need server side dedicated process because they are downloaded and executed on client side in browser's "sand-box" - XBAP applications can run in IE7, IE8 and in FireFox 3.x. AFAIK. Of course the XBAP applications do require .NET Framework installed on client side. Let's try to make for starters a simple Shippers form running as XBAP application. This form will not talk to the backend database - it will use hardcoded data: let's concentrate on this stage on learning how WPF controls can be placed and styled on a WPF page/window/form. For the next 90 minutes long SPRINT here the task is to make such a simple XBAP application. Arthur, for you I'd propose to look for WPF sources to learn - here is one good link on WPF videos: http://windowsclient.net/learn/videos_wpf.aspx Let's set deadline for the Shippers form to appear as an XBAP application for the next Monday - 1st of June 2009 - by that time I expect you'll get some WPF knowledge/experience and maybe some more developers will join us for us to plan the next steps together - OK? Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller To: Salakhetdinov Shamil , "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:44:36 -0400 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle > Hi Shamil, > > I have recently decided to retire from the profession of programming and > instead live on my meager pension and become a hobbyist. As a result, I now > have a lot more time available than previously, when I was either working or > beating the bushes for work. It may happen that now and then I take a > short-term contract, but I am no longer looking for gigs. They will have to > look for me :) If the mountain will not come to Mohammed, etc. > > It feels quite liberating to declare myself retired. It means that I can > unsubscribe from various lists that I was reading in an attempt to stay > abreast. It also means there are no deadlines. Of course, there are prices > to pay, but on the other hand I have no family, no mortgage and no car, so > it's possible that I can live on the pittance that my pension pays. There > won't be any vacations in Europe any more, but I can accept that. And on the > up-side, I have several novels to plough through, and the library is a short > walk away. > > I am not throwing in the towel as a programmer. Call it, if you wish, a > sabbatical. I'm making enough time available to play with this project and a > couple of others, all guaranteed to make no money, but all guaranteed to > keep my brain stimulated. > > In short, although my participation in Round One was minimal, I now have the > time to become more involved in Round Two. > > Arthur > > From mmattys at rochester.rr.com Wed May 27 20:42:29 2009 From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:42:29 -0400 Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle References: <29f585dd0905271444m591364dcw13181619ee38b11b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9650728EA4224712A247DC07CA22B5DB@Mattys> Great! windowsclient.net - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Arthur Fuller" Cc: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [dba-VB]FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle > Hi Arthur, > > Thank you. > > Let's try to do some WPF search&development while waiting for the team to > gather? > > I think we can make one form XBAP sample applications - XBAP applications > could be like that: > > http://shamils-4.hosting.parking.ru/xbap/Postcard3d.xbap > > or very simple like that > > http://shamils-4.hosting.parking.ru/xaml/WpfBrowserApplication1.xbap > > and they can be published on any Internet server as they do not need > server side dedicated process because they are downloaded and executed on > client side in browser's "sand-box" - XBAP applications can run in IE7, > IE8 and in FireFox 3.x. AFAIK. Of course the XBAP applications do require > .NET Framework installed on client side. > > Let's try to make for starters a simple Shippers form running as XBAP > application. This form will not talk to the backend database - it will use > hardcoded data: let's concentrate on this stage on learning how WPF > controls can be placed and styled on a WPF page/window/form. > > For the next 90 minutes long SPRINT here the task is to make such a simple > XBAP application. > Arthur, for you I'd propose to look for WPF sources to learn - here is one > good link on WPF videos: > > http://windowsclient.net/learn/videos_wpf.aspx > > Let's set deadline for the Shippers form to appear as an XBAP application > for the next Monday - 1st of June 2009 - by that time I expect you'll get > some WPF knowledge/experience and maybe some more developers will join us > for us to plan the next steps together - OK? > > Thank you. > > -- > Shamil > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Arthur Fuller > To: Salakhetdinov Shamil , "Discussion concerning Visual > Basic and related programming issues." > Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:44:36 -0400 > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle > >> Hi Shamil, >> >> I have recently decided to retire from the profession of programming and >> instead live on my meager pension and become a hobbyist. As a result, I >> now >> have a lot more time available than previously, when I was either working >> or >> beating the bushes for work. It may happen that now and then I take a >> short-term contract, but I am no longer looking for gigs. They will have >> to >> look for me :) If the mountain will not come to Mohammed, etc. >> >> It feels quite liberating to declare myself retired. It means that I can >> unsubscribe from various lists that I was reading in an attempt to stay >> abreast. It also means there are no deadlines. Of course, there are >> prices >> to pay, but on the other hand I have no family, no mortgage and no car, >> so >> it's possible that I can live on the pittance that my pension pays. There >> won't be any vacations in Europe any more, but I can accept that. And on >> the >> up-side, I have several novels to plough through, and the library is a >> short >> walk away. >> >> I am not throwing in the towel as a programmer. Call it, if you wish, a >> sabbatical. I'm making enough time available to play with this project >> and a >> couple of others, all guaranteed to make no money, but all guaranteed to >> keep my brain stimulated. >> >> In short, although my participation in Round One was minimal, I now have >> the >> time to become more involved in Round Two. >> >> Arthur >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed May 27 21:33:16 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:33:16 -0700 Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0905271444m591364dcw13181619ee38b11b@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0905271444m591364dcw13181619ee38b11b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <60206B2617E6411EB904E634B2CBF5E2@creativesystemdesigns.com> I declared myself retired 4 years ago and now my hobbies are nearly full-time jobs... You not out yet Arthur. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 2:45 PM To: Salakhetdinov Shamil; Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle Hi Shamil, I have recently decided to retire from the profession of programming and instead live on my meager pension and become a hobbyist. As a result, I now have a lot more time available than previously, when I was either working or beating the bushes for work. It may happen that now and then I take a short-term contract, but I am no longer looking for gigs. They will have to look for me :) If the mountain will not come to Mohammed, etc. It feels quite liberating to declare myself retired. It means that I can unsubscribe from various lists that I was reading in an attempt to stay abreast. It also means there are no deadlines. Of course, there are prices to pay, but on the other hand I have no family, no mortgage and no car, so it's possible that I can live on the pittance that my pension pays. There won't be any vacations in Europe any more, but I can accept that. And on the up-side, I have several novels to plough through, and the library is a short walk away. I am not throwing in the towel as a programmer. Call it, if you wish, a sabbatical. I'm making enough time available to play with this project and a couple of others, all guaranteed to make no money, but all guaranteed to keep my brain stimulated. In short, although my participation in Round One was minimal, I now have the time to become more involved in Round Two. Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu May 28 03:14:29 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:14:29 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes (Step1) Message-ID: Hi All, Let's start WPF buttons styling exercizes - here is a web page, which should display three stacked buttons when loaded into IE 7/8 or FireFox 3.x on MS Windows Vista, and I guess on latest Windows XP SP3(?) - but I haven't tested that latter: http://shamils-4.hosting.parking.ru/wpf/SpecialButtonStyle1.xaml The following is the above web page's xaml - it is given just for starters to define/test what are the target platforms for which this exersize can be tested online - the next samples will augment this .xaml page with styling. I should note that AFAIK the usage of .xaml pages' styling that way online is rather limited because this page/application is running in sandbox, which makes many WPF/XAML features unavailable because of secutiry reasons. For example will not work on this page (I don't know yet/I guess that activation on for this page can be done by using accompanying manifest file - anybody to approve/disapprove?) Anyway we should be able to make visually attractive buttons even in this limited sandbox context: when done those styles can be reused in WPF, XBAP and SilverLight applications. Let's start: -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stewart To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 07:33:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > Rendering xaml files requires Framework 3.5 SP1 on the client machine. > > You have to enable full trust in the security settings of the application. > > I have not used the pages I have used the windows. > > You create an instance of the window and show it. > > At 03:58 AM 5/30/2009, you wrote: > >Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 01:48:12 +0400 > >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil > >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Fw: Re: SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > > (StepN) > >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > > issues." > >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > > > >Hi Gustav, > > > >I have created this code by hand - I have no Expression Design 2 here. > > > >I'd guess Chrome, Safari and Opera will start support .xaml files > >rendering soon as recently FireFox 3.x have done: AFAIU rendering > >.xaml files is done by using something like ActiveX control - do you > >know which one? > > > >BTW, what I do not know but (I'd hope that it should work) is how to > >use code behind with such .xaml pages? If create e.g. > > > >http://shamils-4.hosting.parking.ru/wpf/SpecialButtonStyleX.xaml.cs > > > >processing button click event then it will not run - it will be > >blocked because of security reasons - there should be possible I > >guess/hope to accompany such .xaml.cs files with special manifest > >files to have code behind enabled? > > > >Just wondering - if loading .xaml pages with code behind would be > >possible and also if it would be possible to have entry .xaml pages > >to call other ones located on server then that would be a way to > >make light .xaml (not XBAP) applications with .xaml pages loaded > >from server, compiled and run in demand... > > > >Thank you. > > > >-- > >Shamil > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun May 31 06:24:09 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 15:24:09 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?U0NSVU0vV1BGIC0gQnV0dG9ucyBTdHlsaW5nIEV4ZXJj?= =?koi8-r?b?aXplcw==?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi All, Have a look I have occasionally found a sample application/demo with advanced WPF controls from Syncfusion: http://samples.syncfusion.com/wpf/demosvol2/Gaugewpf/samplebrowser.xbap It's rather large - -12MB and takes some time to start with but the good news it gets cached, and the next time you type the above URL in your browser the app starts almost instantly - ~2 seconds on 3MHz Dual Core Pentiun. Just wanted to demonstrate/confirm that .xbap applications are getting cached locally, and to note that there is not that a big difference between developing WPF desktop application or WPF XBAP application - in fact one can even try to develop both of them in one project or start with, say, WFP desktop application and then add XBAP application which will use the same custom components: I assume that those WPF desktop and XBAP applications will use web services or SQL connection strings to talk to a backend but some companies avoid doing the latter because of the risk of SQL Servers being hacked... Thank you. -- Shamil From robert at webedb.com Sun May 31 09:46:51 2009 From: robert at webedb.com (Robert Stewart) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:46:51 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200905311447.n4VElRtW015938@databaseadvisors.com> At the TechFest here locally, Houston, TX, they did say that there is active work going on to make a version of Silverlight that will run on a Mac and on Linux. Moonlight is the one for the Mac. I don't remember the one for Linux. I do not think that the same can be said for the entire framework. At 12:00 PM 5/30/2009, you wrote: >Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 19:48:29 +0400 >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > issues." >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > >Hi Robert, > >Thank you for your reply. > >I thought that using special manifest files one can define something >like a sand-box environment without setting full trust priviledges >for the source .xaml files with code behinn or inline code, the >latter could be like that: > >xmlns:x="http://schemas.microsoft.com/winfx/2006/xaml"> > >void button_Click(object sender, RoutedEventArgs e) >{ >MessageBox.Show("OK"); >} >]]> > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun May 31 10:47:13 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 19:47:13 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?U0NSVU0vV1BGIC0gQnV0dG9ucyBTdHlsaW5nIEV4ZXJj?= =?koi8-r?b?aXplcw==?= In-Reply-To: <200905311447.n4VElRtW015938@databaseadvisors.com> References: <200905311447.n4VElRtW015938@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Hi Robert, Thank you for your reply. And "transition" from WPF desktop applications or XBAP applications to SilverLight ones should be rather natural I expect (with some "preventive" measures taken to organize back-end communication). But I must say I haven't yet program any SilverLight apps. I'm looking at VS2008 SP1 Prof. now and I do not see SilverLight projects available - should I install special SilverLight SDK? Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stewart To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:46:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > At the TechFest here locally, Houston, TX, they did say that there is active > work going on to make a version of Silverlight that will run on a Mac and > on Linux. Moonlight is the one for the Mac. I don't remember the one for > Linux. I do not think that the same can be said for the entire framework. > > At 12:00 PM 5/30/2009, you wrote: > >Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 19:48:29 +0400 > >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil > >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > > issues." > >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > > > >Hi Robert, > > > >Thank you for your reply. > > > >I thought that using special manifest files one can define something > >like a sand-box environment without setting full trust priviledges > >for the source .xaml files with code behinn or inline code, the > >latter could be like that: > > > > >xmlns:x="http://schemas.microsoft.com/winfx/2006/xaml"> > > > > >void button_Click(object sender, RoutedEventArgs e) > >{ > >MessageBox.Show("OK"); > >} > >]]> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Gustav at cactus.dk Sun May 31 12:44:07 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 19:44:07 +0200 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes Message-ID: Hi Shamil Yes, you will need the Microsoft Silverlight 2 Software Development Kit. Here is a full list of the recommended prerequisites: http://silverlight.net/GetStarted/ Silverlight 2 runtime is available for Windows and Mac. For Linux it is the Mono Moonlight project (under development): http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 31-05-2009 17:47 >>> Hi Robert, Thank you for your reply. And "transition" from WPF desktop applications or XBAP applications to SilverLight ones should be rather natural I expect (with some "preventive" measures taken to organize back-end communication). But I must say I haven't yet program any SilverLight apps. I'm looking at VS2008 SP1 Prof. now and I do not see SilverLight projects available - should I install special SilverLight SDK? Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stewart To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:46:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > At the TechFest here locally, Houston, TX, they did say that there is active > work going on to make a version of Silverlight that will run on a Mac and > on Linux. Moonlight is the one for the Mac. I don't remember the one for > Linux. I do not think that the same can be said for the entire framework. > > At 12:00 PM 5/30/2009, you wrote: > >Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 19:48:29 +0400 > >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil > >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > > issues." > >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > > > >Hi Robert, > > > >Thank you for your reply. > > > >I thought that using special manifest files one can define something > >like a sand-box environment without setting full trust priviledges > >for the source .xaml files with code behinn or inline code, the > >latter could be like that: > > > > >xmlns:x="http://schemas.microsoft.com/winfx/2006/xaml"> > > > > >void button_Click(object sender, RoutedEventArgs e) > >{ > >MessageBox.Show("OK"); > >} > >]]> > > From robert at webedb.com Sun May 31 12:56:07 2009 From: robert at webedb.com (Robert Stewart) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 12:56:07 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200905311756.n4VHueUT006687@databaseadvisors.com> I will be starting to work on a Silverlight application at the end of June. I am currently working on converting an Access application into WPF using the entity framework. I just created a VM with WIndows 7 RC and VS 2010 Beta 1. I will be using them to do some presentations at the user group that I teach. Database and GUI Design. There are currently 3 of us working in WPF. One is developing a pipe yard inventory and shipping application in WPF. The other has developed oil well information programs in WPF and is working another one now. I am working a an application that manages social service agencies that supply people with food, clothes, and other services. At 12:00 PM 5/31/2009, you wrote: >Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 19:47:13 +0400 >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > issues." >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > >Hi Robert, > >Thank you for your reply. > >And "transition" from WPF desktop applications or XBAP applications >to SilverLight ones should be rather natural I expect (with some >"preventive" measures taken to organize back-end communication). > >But I must say I haven't yet program any SilverLight apps. > >I'm looking at VS2008 SP1 Prof. now and I do not see SilverLight >projects available - should I install special SilverLight SDK? > >Thank you. > >-- >Shamil From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun May 31 13:19:14 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:19:14 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?U0NSVU0vV1BGIC0gQnV0dG9ucyBTdHlsaW5nIEV4ZXJj?= =?koi8-r?b?aXplcw==?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav, Thank you for the links. I'd definitely plan to R&D SilverLight development after WPF & XBAP. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 19:44:07 +0200 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > Hi Shamil > > Yes, you will need the Microsoft Silverlight 2 Software Development Kit. > Here is a full list of the recommended prerequisites: > > http://silverlight.net/GetStarted/ > > Silverlight 2 runtime is available for Windows and Mac. > For Linux it is the Mono Moonlight project (under development): > > http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight > > /gustav > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 31-05-2009 17:47 >>> > Hi Robert, > > Thank you for your reply. > > And "transition" from WPF desktop applications or XBAP applications to SilverLight ones should be rather natural I expect (with some "preventive" measures taken to organize back-end communication). > > But I must say I haven't yet program any SilverLight apps. > > I'm looking at VS2008 SP1 Prof. now and I do not see SilverLight projects available - should I install special SilverLight SDK? > > Thank you. > > -- > Shamil > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Stewart > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:46:51 -0500 > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > > > At the TechFest here locally, Houston, TX, they did say that there is active > > work going on to make a version of Silverlight that will run on a Mac and > > on Linux. Moonlight is the one for the Mac. I don't remember the one for > > Linux. I do not think that the same can be said for the entire framework. > > > > At 12:00 PM 5/30/2009, you wrote: > > >Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 19:48:29 +0400 > > >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil > > >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > > >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > > > issues." > > >Message-ID: > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > > > > > >Hi Robert, > > > > > >Thank you for your reply. > > > > > >I thought that using special manifest files one can define something > > >like a sand-box environment without setting full trust priviledges > > >for the source .xaml files with code behinn or inline code, the > > >latter could be like that: > > > > > > > >xmlns:x="http://schemas.microsoft.com/winfx/2006/xaml"> > > > > > > > >void button_Click(object sender, RoutedEventArgs e) > > >{ > > >MessageBox.Show("OK"); > > >} > > >]]> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun May 31 13:32:50 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:32:50 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?U0NSVU0vV1BGIC0gQnV0dG9ucyBTdHlsaW5nIEV4ZXJj?= =?koi8-r?b?aXplcw==?= In-Reply-To: <200905311756.n4VHueUT006687@databaseadvisors.com> References: <200905311756.n4VHueUT006687@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Hi Robert, Well, you're "travelling" the same roadmap our Northwind.net is supposed to travel in the coming months AFAIE - why not join our team to do some R&D together? :) What can you tell us from your experience with WPF and SilverLight - do they use the same (but limityed) set of controls or at least the same XAML constructs, which maybe are rendered using different SilverLight specific controls? I have found a SilverLight a set of SilverLight tutorials here http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/pages/silverlight-tutorial-part-1-creating-quot-hello-world-quot-with-silverlight-2-and-vs-2008.aspx but I cannot yet tyr them as I haven't got yet installed SilverLight SDK. Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stewart To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 12:56:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > I will be starting to work on a Silverlight application at the end of June. > I am currently working on converting an Access application into WPF > using the entity framework. > > I just created a VM with WIndows 7 RC and VS 2010 Beta 1. I will > be using them to do some presentations at the user group that I teach. > Database and GUI Design. > > There are currently 3 of us working in WPF. One is developing a pipe > yard inventory and shipping application in WPF. The other has developed > oil well information programs in WPF and is working another one now. > I am working a an application that manages social service agencies > that supply people with food, clothes, and other services. > > > At 12:00 PM 5/31/2009, you wrote: > >Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 19:47:13 +0400 > >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil > >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > > issues." > >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > > > >Hi Robert, > > > >Thank you for your reply. > > > >And "transition" from WPF desktop applications or XBAP applications > >to SilverLight ones should be rather natural I expect (with some > >"preventive" measures taken to organize back-end communication). > > > >But I must say I haven't yet program any SilverLight apps. > > > >I'm looking at VS2008 SP1 Prof. now and I do not see SilverLight > >projects available - should I install special SilverLight SDK? > > > >Thank you. > > > >-- > >Shamil > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun May 31 17:25:41 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 02:25:41 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?U0NSVU0vV1BGIC0gQnV0dG9ucyBTdHlsaW5nIEV4ZXJj?= =?koi8-r?b?aXplcw==?= In-Reply-To: <200905311756.n4VHueUT006687@databaseadvisors.com> References: <200905311756.n4VHueUT006687@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Hi Robert at All, I have made sample SilverLight application and I have got it installed (by XCOPY) here: http://shamils-4.hosting.parking.ru/sl It works well when running locally in debug mode under VS2008 SP1 but it does not show anything in SilverLight when running from the above link. What could be wrong? Thank you. -- Shamil P.S. Here is the main code of the above sample application: http://shamils-4.hosting.parking.ru/sl Page1.xaml ======== User Name: Password: Page1.xaml.cs ========== using System; using System.Collections.Generic; using System.Linq; using System.Net; using System.Windows; using System.Windows.Controls; using System.Windows.Documents; using System.Windows.Input; using System.Windows.Media; using System.Windows.Media.Animation; using System.Windows.Shapes; namespace SLA1 { public partial class Page : UserControl { public Page() { InitializeComponent(); } private void Button_Click(object sender, RoutedEventArgs e) { if (txtUserName.Text != "guest" || txtPassword.Text != "test") MessageBox.Show("Invalid UserName or Password"); else MessageBox.Show("Hello, World!"); } } } -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stewart To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 12:56:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > I will be starting to work on a Silverlight application at the end of June. > I am currently working on converting an Access application into WPF > using the entity framework. > > I just created a VM with WIndows 7 RC and VS 2010 Beta 1. I will > be using them to do some presentations at the user group that I teach. > Database and GUI Design. > > There are currently 3 of us working in WPF. One is developing a pipe > yard inventory and shipping application in WPF. The other has developed > oil well information programs in WPF and is working another one now. > I am working a an application that manages social service agencies > that supply people with food, clothes, and other services. > From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed May 6 15:35:57 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 22:35:57 +0200 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released Message-ID: Hi Shamil et al I've been busy with other tasks (for a living) ans still am at some extent so I've lost track of what the next step in the process or project is? Did we get the planned feedback from our "customer" of the project? /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 28-04-2009 21:34 >>> Hi All, Northwind.NET v.1.2 (sources and executables) released on http://northwind.codeplex.com/Release/ProjectReleases.aspx?ReleaseId=26600 This version has: 1) WinForms sample application with MS SQL 2005/2008 BE; 2) WinForms sample application with MS Access BE; 3) ASP.NET sample reporting website with MS Access BE. Thank you. -- Shamil From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com Thu May 7 00:31:39 2009 From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 01:31:39 -0400 Subject: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? References: <200904291826.n3TIQcBm000577@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: ...Alexd Dybenko linked your codeplex northwind.net site in his Alex & Access newsletter. William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:06 PM To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Subject: Re: [dba-VB]ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > > Thank you in advance, Robert. > > -- > Shamil > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Robert L. Stewart" > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:26:03 -0500 > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > >> Shamil, >> >> Since I have not done it yet, I cannot answer that. >> But, I will do some testing over the weekend and >> let you know what I find out. >> >> Robert >> >> At 12:00 PM 4/29/2009, you wrote: >> >Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:41:08 +0400 >> >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil >> >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? >> >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming >> > issues." >> >Message-ID: >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r >> > >> > >> >Hi Robert, >> > >> >I'm only starting with EF, and from other posts on Web I have got an >> >impression that it's not pssible to map selection SPs to entities in >> >VS2008 SP1 - is that correct information? (they say the mapping >> >feature exists in VS2010 to be released somewhere end of this year) >> > >> >Yes, I realize I can extend entities' (partial?) classes manually - >> >and use custom SPs in such extensions - are you doing something like >> >that? >> > >> >Thank you. >> > >> >-- >> >Shamil >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-VB mailing list >> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From accessd at shaw.ca Thu May 7 11:36:29 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 09:36:29 -0700 Subject: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? In-Reply-To: References: <200904291826.n3TIQcBm000577@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: For what it is worth, it has also been linked and 'Iframed' off the DBA (http://www.databaseadvisors.com) site. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:32 PM To: Salakhetdinov Shamil; Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? ...Alexd Dybenko linked your codeplex northwind.net site in his Alex & Access newsletter. William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:06 PM To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Subject: Re: [dba-VB]ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > > Thank you in advance, Robert. > > -- > Shamil > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Robert L. Stewart" > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:26:03 -0500 > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > >> Shamil, >> >> Since I have not done it yet, I cannot answer that. >> But, I will do some testing over the weekend and >> let you know what I find out. >> >> Robert >> >> At 12:00 PM 4/29/2009, you wrote: >> >Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:41:08 +0400 >> >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil >> >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? >> >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming >> > issues." >> >Message-ID: >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r >> > >> > >> >Hi Robert, >> > >> >I'm only starting with EF, and from other posts on Web I have got an >> >impression that it's not pssible to map selection SPs to entities in >> >VS2008 SP1 - is that correct information? (they say the mapping >> >feature exists in VS2010 to be released somewhere end of this year) >> > >> >Yes, I realize I can extend entities' (partial?) classes manually - >> >and use custom SPs in such extensions - are you doing something like >> >that? >> > >> >Thank you. >> > >> >-- >> >Shamil >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-VB mailing list >> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri May 8 08:37:45 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 17:37:45 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?U0NSVU06IE5vcnRod2luZC5ORVQgdi4xLjIgUmVsZWFz?= =?koi8-r?b?ZWQ=?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav at all, I must say I'm doing some programming for my customers here too. No, we didn't have that much feeback from our "customer" for the currently published version. The next planned steps are: - v.1.5 of Northwind.NET with MDI interface + navigation functionality separated into custom class(es) and tested using NUnit or MS Visual Studio testing features if that are freely available i.e. not part of MS VS Team System ; - v.2.0 of Northwind.NET with MDI interface - treeview driven with paged data retrieval + introducing Northwind Business Domain Model to use it for data entry/edit validation; I have also got proposal/request from Alex Dybenko to implement a brief video to show how to "wrap" .NET code into COM-callable classlibs as well to implement a sample Web Service delivering MS ADO recordsets to VBA clients to bind to e.g. MS Access Forms or to use in MS Excel worksheets... If anybody is free currently to implement any of the above functionality/samples or if anybody wanted to discuss them or to change the above todo list - let's discuss it here... Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 22:35:57 +0200 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released > Hi Shamil et al > > I've been busy with other tasks (for a living) ans still am at some extent so I've lost track of what the next step in the process or project is? > Did we get the planned feedback from our "customer" of the project? > > /gustav > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 28-04-2009 21:34 >>> > Hi All, > > Northwind.NET v.1.2 (sources and executables) released on > > http://northwind.codeplex.com/Release/ProjectReleases.aspx?ReleaseId=26600 > > This version has: > > 1) WinForms sample application with MS SQL 2005/2008 BE; > 2) WinForms sample application with MS Access BE; > 3) ASP.NET sample reporting website with MS Access BE. > > Thank you. > > -- > Shamil > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri May 8 08:42:22 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 17:42:22 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?QURPLk5FVCBFbnRpdHkgRnJhbWV3b3JrIC0gdG8gdXNl?= =?koi8-r?b?IG9yIG5vdD8=?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi William, Thank you for the note. Yes, I have exchanged some e-mails with Alex Dybenko, and he told me he liked what we're doing but I haven't seen his blog entry on northwind.codeplex.com http://accessblog.net/2009/05/northwindnet.html -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: "William Hindman" To: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" ,"Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 01:31:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [dba-VB]ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > ...Alexd Dybenko linked your codeplex northwind.net site in his Alex & > Access newsletter. > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:06 PM > To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB]ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > > > > > Thank you in advance, Robert. > > > > -- > > Shamil > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Robert L. Stewart" > > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com > > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:26:03 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > > > >> Shamil, > >> > >> Since I have not done it yet, I cannot answer that. > >> But, I will do some testing over the weekend and > >> let you know what I find out. > >> > >> Robert > >> > >> At 12:00 PM 4/29/2009, you wrote: > >> >Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:41:08 +0400 > >> >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil > >> >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > >> >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > >> > issues." > >> >Message-ID: > >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > >> > > >> > > >> >Hi Robert, > >> > > >> >I'm only starting with EF, and from other posts on Web I have got an > >> >impression that it's not pssible to map selection SPs to entities in > >> >VS2008 SP1 - is that correct information? (they say the mapping > >> >feature exists in VS2010 to be released somewhere end of this year) > >> > > >> >Yes, I realize I can extend entities' (partial?) classes manually - > >> >and use custom SPs in such extensions - are you doing something like > >> >that? > >> > > >> >Thank you. > >> > > >> >-- > >> >Shamil > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-VB mailing list > >> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri May 8 08:45:46 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 17:45:46 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?QURPLk5FVCBFbnRpdHkgRnJhbWV3b3JrIC0gdG8gdXNl?= =?koi8-r?b?IG9yIG5vdD8=?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you, Jim, I hope it will help to attract attention of more developers to this project as well as to provide some more participants to DatabaseAdvisors discussions... -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: "Jim Lawrence" To: "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'" Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 09:36:29 -0700 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > For what it is worth, it has also been linked and 'Iframed' off the DBA > (http://www.databaseadvisors.com) site. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:32 PM > To: Salakhetdinov Shamil; Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related > programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > > ...Alexd Dybenko linked your codeplex northwind.net site in his Alex & > Access newsletter. > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:06 PM > To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB]ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > > > > > Thank you in advance, Robert. > > > > -- > > Shamil > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Robert L. Stewart" > > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com > > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:26:03 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > > > >> Shamil, > >> > >> Since I have not done it yet, I cannot answer that. > >> But, I will do some testing over the weekend and > >> let you know what I find out. > >> > >> Robert > >> > >> At 12:00 PM 4/29/2009, you wrote: > >> >Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:41:08 +0400 > >> >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil > >> >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > >> >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > >> > issues." > >> >Message-ID: > >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > >> > > >> > > >> >Hi Robert, > >> > > >> >I'm only starting with EF, and from other posts on Web I have got an > >> >impression that it's not pssible to map selection SPs to entities in > >> >VS2008 SP1 - is that correct information? (they say the mapping > >> >feature exists in VS2010 to be released somewhere end of this year) > >> > > >> >Yes, I realize I can extend entities' (partial?) classes manually - > >> >and use custom SPs in such extensions - are you doing something like > >> >that? > >> > > >> >Thank you. > >> > > >> >-- > >> >Shamil > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-VB mailing list > >> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Sat May 9 06:06:23 2009 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 12:06:23 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello All, Sorry that I did not respond too much in recent weeks, as you all have, I am also rather busy here. However, I did want to let you know that two weeks ago, I did download and spend 3-4 hours playing with and reviewing the application that including at that time the navigation feature. The version that I got from Source control did load Gustav's navigator, and it looked good. The nodes were still from Gustav's original project, but for my own enjoyment, I did wire one of the nodes to the categories form and it appeared to work very well. I noticed that it prevented me from loading multiple instances of the same form, which I took to be a good thing. What I did not see, and currently assume that there is not an easy way to do it, is to use the navigator like the MS Access SwitchBoard manager. This would be a real addition to this utility, but I guess at that point we would look at all options, including purchasing an add-in. Regarding the reports, I just got them working today from VS2008, I currently cannot get them to run in Vista Ultimate, as a website, but that is most likely an environmental issue on my machine, however, I have already spent 2-3 hours on that today, IIS7 looks quite different to IIS6. What I do want to say is that the reports look really great, and I am quite excited to see how easily I can create similar reports myself. Shamil / Gustav, do I need to go anything for you for this project at this point ? I wish I could offer to more, but my terrible slowness with the .Net Environment kills me. I would love to participate at some level of hte unit tests, but I would need someone to help me to get started if I was to be of any use to you or me. Thanks Mark 2009/5/8 Salakhetdinov Shamil > Hi Gustav at all, > > I must say I'm doing some programming for my customers here too. > > No, we didn't have that much feeback from our "customer" for the currently > published version. > > The next planned steps are: > > - v.1.5 of Northwind.NET with MDI interface + navigation functionality > separated into custom class(es) and tested using NUnit or MS Visual Studio > testing features if that are freely available i.e. not part of MS VS Team > System ; > - v.2.0 of Northwind.NET with MDI interface - treeview driven with paged > data retrieval + introducing Northwind Business Domain Model to use it for > data entry/edit validation; > > I have also got proposal/request from Alex Dybenko to implement a brief > video to show how to "wrap" .NET code into COM-callable classlibs as well to > implement a sample Web Service delivering MS ADO recordsets to VBA clients > to bind to e.g. MS Access Forms or to use in MS Excel worksheets... > > If anybody is free currently to implement any of the above > functionality/samples or if anybody wanted to discuss them or to change the > above todo list - let's discuss it here... > > Thank you. > > -- > Shamil > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Gustav Brock" > To: > Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 22:35:57 +0200 > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released > > > Hi Shamil et al > > > > I've been busy with other tasks (for a living) ans still am at some > extent so I've lost track of what the next step in the process or project > is? > > Did we get the planned feedback from our "customer" of the project? > > > > /gustav > > > > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 28-04-2009 21:34 >>> > > Hi All, > > > > Northwind.NET v.1.2 (sources and executables) released on > > > > > http://northwind.codeplex.com/Release/ProjectReleases.aspx?ReleaseId=26600 > > > > This version has: > > > > 1) WinForms sample application with MS SQL 2005/2008 BE; > > 2) WinForms sample application with MS Access BE; > > 3) ASP.NET sample reporting website with MS Access BE. > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- > > Shamil > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue May 12 14:36:03 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:36:03 +0200 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released Message-ID: Hi all Still recovering from a second instance of the flu (not H1N1A) within 6 months (what did I do?) browsing hundreds of messages, I'm a bit late on forwarding this from Shamil which was trapped by some stupid spam filter somewhere on the 10th of May: Hi Mark and All, This project was started as SCRUM one, which (SCRUM) implies a lot of teamwork and a lot of feedback. So far it was not that much (as expected) teamwork (mainly on evaluation/start-up phase) and almost none feedback. We have to handle these issues right now - and I'm asking for your advise how you wanted to approach those issues and to effectively solve them. Let's call the current phase of our project a retrospection phase, and let's have it deadlines set for two weeks: 11-MAY-09 - 25-MAY-09. All and every opinions and proposals are very welcome. Let's freeze work on v.1.5 and v.2.0 during these weeks - I personally can't handle quickly them alone as I have to work for my customers, and making v.1.5 and v.2.0 as a team is looking now questionable (please correct me if I'm wrong) as we do not have currently a team with intermediate/advanced C#/SQL development qualification and personal tutoring of beginning C# developers, which can be done currently only by Gustav and myself, is very time consuming. As well we do not have active discussion on detailed v.1.5 and v.2.0 functionality and in SCRUM the requirements are defined by ProductOwner/stake holders/customers/external audience/market demands not by the SCRUMMaster/SCRUM team developers (as developers tend to do more what they like to do (fun and sometimes tricky programming) not the real life software development - we all know that from our own experience ) If you look at the project downloads/pages views/visits stats here: http://northwind.codeplex.com/stats you'll find that we have got 500+ downloads during last 20 days - that's not bad at all. But from that 500+ downloads we have got just one review and link (from Alex Dybenko), and we have got linked by Jim Lawrence from AccessAdvisors site. The 500+ downloads show that there is an interest of developers to the subject of this project but absence of feedback is confusing (here) as I wanted to have this project to be feedback/market demand driven not just as exercises in teamwork/learning by doing experience. Of course exercises in teamwork and learning by doing experience are useful but without active feedback we risk to end up doing "mad scientist exercises" not learning/demonstrating real development stuff applicable in real life business software development... How well feedback works shows the fact of my contacting with Alex Dybenko and giving him an url to northwind.codeplex.com (that time without "Welcome", "Mission Statement" etc. info and having just Northwind.NET with MS SQL backend) - I must say first reaction of Alex was rather skeptical but after I added "Welcome", "Mission Statement" etc. (and Arthur and Gustav edited this text), and I have also made downgrading Northwind.NET to use MS Access backend, as well as ASP.NET reporting sample with MS Access backend, then added COM callable classlib contacting web service - after that I have got positive feedback from Alex and he blogged on our project and also Jim Lawrence referred northwind.codeplex.com from AccessAdvisors web site - as you can see just one feedback contact resulted in "some fluctuations" of our roadmap, which brought 500+ downloads... I do think that the most important task now is to get active feedback, which will make corrections to our roadmap and which will drive our development: the best tool we can use now is the "Word Of Mouth" to persuade developers who get our stuff downloaded to give us active *constructive* feedback (as Alex Dybenko did) for us to "convert this feedback" into even more interesting stuff to get downloaded by developers and used by them not only "to individually dig out into samples" but to have the stuff ready to be applied (with some rework/additional work) to their everyday (IT development) business tasks... As for tutoring our team C# development beginners - as I noted above doing that personally is very time consuming - the idea is to somehow make this personal tutoring/coaching publicly available (that public availability will bring even more feedback I expect), and we can do that by publishing short sample videos. But making such videos the way I did it by taking screenshots, then putting them into MS Movie Maker, then adding comments etc. is not looking as the right/professional way to do (and is time consuming) - I suppose that using Camtasia Studio (http://www.techsmith.com/camtasia.asp) would be more effective and would produce more useful videos. And we can make such videos as a team by sharing the tasks: one gets prepared scenarios, one gets video recorded, another one with native English makes voice recording, another one makes all kinds of video effects etc. But Camtasia Studio isn't free (USD299) - if it would be possible to get a shared license for our team (just for USD299?) I'd not mind to invest some money in purchasing it... What do you think about all the above? Please make your proposals how to activate feedback - please "brain-storm" this issue assuming we have unlimited resources - when analysing proposals we will sort out/put on hold proposals we can't work with now because of some limitations... Thank you. -- Shamil >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 09-05-2009 13:06 >>> Shamil / Gustav, do I need to go anything for you for this project at this point ? From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue May 12 16:10:43 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 01:10:43 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?U0NSVU06IE5vcnRod2luZC5ORVQgdi4xLjIgUmVsZWFz?= =?koi8-r?b?ZWQ=?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you, Gustav, for forwarding my e-mail. I wish you got recovered from flu ASAP. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:36:03 +0200 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released > Hi all > > Still recovering from a second instance of the flu (not H1N1A) within 6 months (what did I do?) browsing hundreds of messages, I'm a bit late on forwarding this from Shamil which was trapped by some stupid spam filter somewhere on the 10th of May: > > Hi Mark and All, > > This project was started as SCRUM one, which (SCRUM) implies a lot of > teamwork and a lot of feedback. So far it was not that much (as expected) > teamwork (mainly on evaluation/start-up phase) and almost none feedback. We > have to handle these issues right now - and I'm asking for your advise how <<< skip >>> From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed May 13 06:25:17 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:25:17 +0200 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released Message-ID: Hi Shamil Well, that download count is already at 600+, so I think you are right - the description and purpose really makes a difference. Actually, I'm convinced it has, as I often myself have felt lost when studying a project at SourceForce or elsewhere with pages of change logs but nearly nothing about what the project is for or why I should download it not to say get involved. Very nerdy, and we all are so busy so spending half an hour to find out what you could have read in two minutes from a text is not going to happen. I have no formula to get the teamwork to operate more smoothly. Two problems exist. First, the different level/experience of the members; second, the lack of priority. The first is natural with the diverse backgrounds and interests we have. However, I don't think anyone expects special education videos, only advice and links to relevant material. When you take the time to make a video I'm impressed, as I wouldn't know where to get the time to create such even though it could be fun. The second as hard too, as most of us have a job for a living and also - for some - even a life of some kind (even Drew who used to burn his house down but I think he stopped that activity). Thus, projects like this will be assigned second priority and this can mean zero attention for days, even weeks. This could perhaps be met by some members working together as one "member" hoping that at least one is active. Of course, just a few more participants would help a lot, and perhaps some discussion can attract some. Yes, that's you - the reader - feel free to join! At this moment I've already learnt a lot - having seen the value of subversion in action is alone worth all the trouble - and I would love to experience the SCRUM process in full too - at this moment I think we have had only a little more than the smell of it - just enough to feel the potential. /gustav >>> Gustav at cactus.dk 12-05-2009 21:36 >>> Hi all Still recovering from a second instance of the flu (not H1N1A) within 6 months (what did I do?) browsing hundreds of messages, I'm a bit late on forwarding this from Shamil which was trapped by some stupid spam filter somewhere on the 10th of May: Hi Mark and All, This project was started as SCRUM one, which (SCRUM) implies a lot of teamwork and a lot of feedback. So far it was not that much (as expected) teamwork (mainly on evaluation/start-up phase) and almost none feedback. We have to handle these issues right now - and I'm asking for your advise how you wanted to approach those issues and to effectively solve them. Let's call the current phase of our project a retrospection phase, and let's have it deadlines set for two weeks: 11-MAY-09 - 25-MAY-09. All and every opinions and proposals are very welcome. Let's freeze work on v.1.5 and v.2.0 during these weeks - I personally can't handle quickly them alone as I have to work for my customers, and making v.1.5 and v.2.0 as a team is looking now questionable (please correct me if I'm wrong) as we do not have currently a team with intermediate/advanced C#/SQL development qualification and personal tutoring of beginning C# developers, which can be done currently only by Gustav and myself, is very time consuming. As well we do not have active discussion on detailed v.1.5 and v.2.0 functionality and in SCRUM the requirements are defined by ProductOwner/stake holders/customers/external audience/market demands not by the SCRUMMaster/SCRUM team developers (as developers tend to do more what they like to do (fun and sometimes tricky programming) not the real life software development - we all know that from our own experience ) If you look at the project downloads/pages views/visits stats here: http://northwind.codeplex.com/stats you'll find that we have got 500+ downloads during last 20 days - that's not bad at all. But from that 500+ downloads we have got just one review and link (from Alex Dybenko), and we have got linked by Jim Lawrence from AccessAdvisors site. The 500+ downloads show that there is an interest of developers to the subject of this project but absence of feedback is confusing (here) as I wanted to have this project to be feedback/market demand driven not just as exercises in teamwork/learning by doing experience. Of course exercises in teamwork and learning by doing experience are useful but without active feedback we risk to end up doing "mad scientist exercises" not learning/demonstrating real development stuff applicable in real life business software development... How well feedback works shows the fact of my contacting with Alex Dybenko and giving him an url to northwind.codeplex.com (that time without "Welcome", "Mission Statement" etc. info and having just Northwind.NET with MS SQL backend) - I must say first reaction of Alex was rather skeptical but after I added "Welcome", "Mission Statement" etc. (and Arthur and Gustav edited this text), and I have also made downgrading Northwind.NET to use MS Access backend, as well as ASP.NET reporting sample with MS Access backend, then added COM callable classlib contacting web service - after that I have got positive feedback from Alex and he blogged on our project and also Jim Lawrence referred northwind.codeplex.com from AccessAdvisors web site - as you can see just one feedback contact resulted in "some fluctuations" of our roadmap, which brought 500+ downloads... I do think that the most important task now is to get active feedback, which will make corrections to our roadmap and which will drive our development: the best tool we can use now is the "Word Of Mouth" to persuade developers who get our stuff downloaded to give us active *constructive* feedback (as Alex Dybenko did) for us to "convert this feedback" into even more interesting stuff to get downloaded by developers and used by them not only "to individually dig out into samples" but to have the stuff ready to be applied (with some rework/additional work) to their everyday (IT development) business tasks... As for tutoring our team C# development beginners - as I noted above doing that personally is very time consuming - the idea is to somehow make this personal tutoring/coaching publicly available (that public availability will bring even more feedback I expect), and we can do that by publishing short sample videos. But making such videos the way I did it by taking screenshots, then putting them into MS Movie Maker, then adding comments etc. is not looking as the right/professional way to do (and is time consuming) - I suppose that using Camtasia Studio (http://www.techsmith.com/camtasia.asp) would be more effective and would produce more useful videos. And we can make such videos as a team by sharing the tasks: one gets prepared scenarios, one gets video recorded, another one with native English makes voice recording, another one makes all kinds of video effects etc. But Camtasia Studio isn't free (USD299) - if it would be possible to get a shared license for our team (just for USD299?) I'd not mind to invest some money in purchasing it... What do you think about all the above? Please make your proposals how to activate feedback - please "brain-storm" this issue assuming we have unlimited resources - when analysing proposals we will sort out/put on hold proposals we can't work with now because of some limitations... Thank you. -- Shamil >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 09-05-2009 13:06 >>> Shamil / Gustav, do I need to go anything for you for this project at this point ? From robert at webedb.com Wed May 13 13:09:37 2009 From: robert at webedb.com (Robert Stewart) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:09:37 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200905131810.n4DIA7pV002070@databaseadvisors.com> Guys, I got in late on this project you are trying to do. I have downloaded the project. I have downloaded the Northwind database and attached it on SQL 2008. I have change the database connection in settings.settings to my SQL Server. I cannot get to the data. Is there something I am missing? I would like to get it running so I can give you feedback on it. Robert At 12:00 PM 5/13/2009, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:25:17 +0200 >From: "Gustav Brock" >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released >To: >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > >Hi Shamil > >Well, that download count is already at 600+, so I think you are >right - the description and purpose really makes a difference. >Actually, I'm convinced it has, as I often myself have felt lost >when studying a project at SourceForce or elsewhere with pages of >change logs but nearly nothing about what the project is for or why >I should download it not to say get involved. Very nerdy, and we all >are so busy so spending half an hour to find out what you could have >read in two minutes from a text is not going to happen. > >I have no formula to get the teamwork to operate more smoothly. Two >problems exist. First, the different level/experience of the >members; second, the lack of priority. >The first is natural with the diverse backgrounds and interests we >have. However, I don't think anyone expects special education >videos, only advice and links to relevant material. When you take >the time to make a video I'm impressed, as I wouldn't know where to >get the time to create such even though it could be fun. >The second as hard too, as most of us have a job for a living and >also - for some - even a life of some kind (even Drew who used to >burn his house down but I think he stopped that activity). Thus, >projects like this will be assigned second priority and this can >mean zero attention for days, even weeks. This could perhaps be met >by some members working together as one "member" hoping that at >least one is active. > >Of course, just a few more participants would help a lot, and >perhaps some discussion can attract some. Yes, that's you - the >reader - feel free to join! > >At this moment I've already learnt a lot - having seen the value of >subversion in action is alone worth all the trouble - and I would >love to experience the SCRUM process in full too - at this moment I >think we have had only a little more than the smell of it - just >enough to feel the potential. > >/gustav From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed May 13 14:10:34 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 23:10:34 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?U0NSVU06IE5vcnRod2luZC5ORVQgdi4xLjIgUmVsZWFz?= =?koi8-r?b?ZWQ=?= In-Reply-To: <200905131810.n4DIA7pV002070@databaseadvisors.com> References: <200905131810.n4DIA7pV002070@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Hi Robert, Please have a look at this entry: http://northwind.codeplex.com/SourceControl/changeset/view/11345#134202 If it will not help please write in more details what is happening on your PC? What error messages are you getting? Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stewart To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:09:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released > Guys, > > I got in late on this project you are trying to do. > I have downloaded the project. > I have downloaded the Northwind database and attached it on SQL 2008. > I have change the database connection in settings.settings to my SQL Server. > > I cannot get to the data. > Is there something I am missing? > > I would like to get it running so I can give you feedback on it. > > Robert > > At 12:00 PM 5/13/2009, you wrote: > >Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:25:17 +0200 > >From: "Gustav Brock" > >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released > >To: > >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > > >Hi Shamil > > > >Well, that download count is already at 600+, so I think you are > >right - the description and purpose really makes a difference. > >Actually, I'm convinced it has, as I often myself have felt lost > >when studying a project at SourceForce or elsewhere with pages of > >change logs but nearly nothing about what the project is for or why > >I should download it not to say get involved. Very nerdy, and we all > >are so busy so spending half an hour to find out what you could have > >read in two minutes from a text is not going to happen. > > > >I have no formula to get the teamwork to operate more smoothly. Two > >problems exist. First, the different level/experience of the > >members; second, the lack of priority. > >The first is natural with the diverse backgrounds and interests we > >have. However, I don't think anyone expects special education > >videos, only advice and links to relevant material. When you take > >the time to make a video I'm impressed, as I wouldn't know where to > >get the time to create such even though it could be fun. > >The second as hard too, as most of us have a job for a living and > >also - for some - even a life of some kind (even Drew who used to > >burn his house down but I think he stopped that activity). Thus, > >projects like this will be assigned second priority and this can > >mean zero attention for days, even weeks. This could perhaps be met > >by some members working together as one "member" hoping that at > >least one is active. > > > >Of course, just a few more participants would help a lot, and > >perhaps some discussion can attract some. Yes, that's you - the > >reader - feel free to join! > > > >At this moment I've already learnt a lot - having seen the value of > >subversion in action is alone worth all the trouble - and I would > >love to experience the SCRUM process in full too - at this moment I > >think we have had only a little more than the smell of it - just > >enough to feel the potential. > > > >/gustav > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From robert at webedb.com Thu May 14 15:36:15 2009 From: robert at webedb.com (Robert Stewart) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 15:36:15 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200905142036.n4EKamrk010250@databaseadvisors.com> Like a dummy, I found the database in the download. That was the problem. Feedback coming later. At 12:00 PM 5/14/2009, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 23:10:34 +0400 >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > issues." >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > > >Hi Robert, > >Please have a look at this entry: > >http://northwind.codeplex.com/SourceControl/changeset/view/11345#134202 > >If it will not help please write in more details what is happening >on your PC? What error messages are you getting? > >Thank you. > >-- >Shamil From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri May 15 05:35:05 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 14:35:05 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?U0NSVU06IE5vcnRod2luZC5ORVQgdi4xLjIgUmVsZWFz?= =?koi8-r?b?ZWQ=?= In-Reply-To: <200905142036.n4EKamrk010250@databaseadvisors.com> References: <200905142036.n4EKamrk010250@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Thank you, Robert. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stewart To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 15:36:15 -0500 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released > Like a dummy, I found the database in the download. That was the problem. > Feedback coming later. > > At 12:00 PM 5/14/2009, you wrote: > >Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 23:10:34 +0400 > >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil > >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released > >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > > issues." > >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > > > > > >Hi Robert, > > > >Please have a look at this entry: > > > >http://northwind.codeplex.com/SourceControl/changeset/view/11345#134202 > > > >If it will not help please write in more details what is happening > >on your PC? What error messages are you getting? > > > >Thank you. > > > >-- > >Shamil > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Sat May 16 04:33:55 2009 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 17:33:55 +0800 Subject: [dba-VB] free VS2005 / VS2008 add-in for Tortoise SVN Message-ID: Hello All, I downloaded and have been using for a few days a free openssource add-in named ANKH for Tortoise and SVN. It works perfectly, once you get the installation versions correct. There are Tortoise Versions 1.5.x and 1.6.x and you have to choose the matching version of ANKH. Once you do that, you get full SCCS included in VS2005. I have not yet tested VS2008 but they report that it works. HTH Mark From marklbreen at gmail.com Sat May 16 12:06:39 2009 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 01:06:39 +0800 Subject: [dba-VB] free VS2005 / VS2008 add-in for Tortoise SVN - SCRUM Message-ID: Hi all, justed updated the subject line here for those that have a filter for SCRUM. thanks Mark 2009/5/16 Mark Breen > Hello All, > > I downloaded and have been using for a few days a free openssource add-in > named ANKH for Tortoise and SVN. > > It works perfectly, once you get the installation versions correct. There > are Tortoise Versions 1.5.x and 1.6.x and you have to choose the matching > version of ANKH. > > Once you do that, you get full SCCS included in VS2005. I have not yet > tested VS2008 but they report that it works. > > HTH > > Mark > > > > > From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed May 20 13:09:26 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 14:09:26 -0400 Subject: [dba-VB] Column's not declared by column name Message-ID: I used VB Express 8.0 to retrieve a dataset from Northwind's Customers table. I dragged that onto a form to create a quick datagridview control. I wanted to disable the automatic column sorting for a specific column, so I added the following to the form's Load event: Me.DataGridViewTextBoxContactTitle.SortMode = DataGridViewColumnSortMode.NotSortable where ContactTitle is the column's name. It returned a Build error that the column wasn't a member of the form. Using Intellisense, I could see that it doesn't list the columns by name, but by number. I substitued ContactTitle with Column4, and it works just fine. I don't get it -- is there a setting that I need to flag differently or something? This goes against every guideline I know! Susan H. From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed May 20 13:55:42 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 14:55:42 -0400 Subject: [dba-VB] How to limit number of rows in datagridview control Message-ID: <38C545EDDC8843FDA34B0503888A4CE3@SusanOne> Using VB Express 8, I added the following to a form class with a datagridview control, expecting it to limit the number of rows displayed in the grid, so that the edit row is immediately visible. It doesn't return an error, but it doesn't seem to do anything at all either -- view is the same with or without this sub. Private Sub CustomersDataGridView_RowValidated(ByVal sender As Object, ByVal e As System.Windows.Forms.DataGridViewCellEventArgs) Handles CustomersDataGridView.RowValidated CustomersDataGridView.FirstDisplayedScrollingRowIndex = CustomersDataGridView.Rows.Count - 5 End Sub Susan H. From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu May 21 10:54:45 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 17:54:45 +0200 Subject: [dba-VB] Scrum FW: www.daptiv.com Message-ID: Hi Rocky Thanks! Looks though like a tool aimed at enterprises at a not published (= enterprise level) cost. /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 18-05-2009 23:55 >>> Dear Scrummers: I got a call from this guy last week. Thought the info might be of interest to you guys. HTH Rocky ________________________________ From: Richard Hawes [mailto:rhawes at daptiv.com] Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 2:46 PM To: info at bchacc.com Subject: www.daptiv.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu May 21 11:32:38 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 12:32:38 -0400 Subject: [dba-VB] SOLVED Fw: How to limit number of rows in datagridview control Message-ID: Okay, the statement didn't require a sub of its own. I dropped the statement into the existing sub that filled the tableadapter and it works just fine! Susan H. > Okay, after discussing this a bit with Charlotte, she says the problem is > the TableAdaptor -- the VB Configuration Wizard uses a TableAdapter to > populate the control. I'm researching this morning, but I can't seem to > find anything on editing the TableAdaptor to show only the last few > records and the edit row, instead of displaying all of the records. > > Any help? > > Susan H. > >> Using VB Express 8, I added the following to a form class with a >> datagridview control, expecting it to limit the number of rows displayed >> in the grid, so that the edit row is immediately visible. It doesn't >> return an error, but it doesn't seem to do anything at all either -- view >> is the same with or without this sub. >> >> Private Sub CustomersDataGridView_RowValidated(ByVal sender As Object, >> ByVal e As System.Windows.Forms.DataGridViewCellEventArgs) Handles >> CustomersDataGridView.RowValidated >> >> CustomersDataGridView.FirstDisplayedScrollingRowIndex = >> CustomersDataGridView.Rows.Count - 5 >> >> End Sub >> >> Susan H. >> > From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu May 21 10:34:38 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 11:34:38 -0400 Subject: [dba-VB] Fw: How to limit number of rows in datagridview control Message-ID: Okay, after discussing this a bit with Charlotte, she says the problem is the TableAdaptor -- the VB Configuration Wizard uses a TableAdapter to populate the control. I'm researching this morning, but I can't seem to find anything on editing the TableAdaptor to show only the last few records and the edit row, instead of displaying all of the records. Any help? Susan H. > Using VB Express 8, I added the following to a form class with a > datagridview control, expecting it to limit the number of rows displayed > in the grid, so that the edit row is immediately visible. It doesn't > return an error, but it doesn't seem to do anything at all either -- view > is the same with or without this sub. > > Private Sub CustomersDataGridView_RowValidated(ByVal sender As Object, > ByVal e As System.Windows.Forms.DataGridViewCellEventArgs) Handles > CustomersDataGridView.RowValidated > > CustomersDataGridView.FirstDisplayedScrollingRowIndex = > CustomersDataGridView.Rows.Count - 5 > > End Sub > > Susan H. > From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu May 21 12:02:57 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 19:02:57 +0200 Subject: [dba-VB] Fw: How to limit number of rows in datagridview control Message-ID: Hi Susan That's not the purpose of a DataTableAdapter. But you could achieve this by adjusting the SQL of the query in the adapter (right-click on it, pick Modify SQL). This is, however, what Shamil refers to as "custom in-line SQL" and warns against as it can be difficult to maintain. He has a point and recommends building a SP that produce the desired limited output and then create an adapter for that. I have used the modified SQL method a lot and have no problem with it, so this is a matter of preference, previous experience, how you define this - as belonging to the database or (as a business rule) to the application, and who is going to maintain the system in the future. As alway in .Net - many ways to skin the cat. /gustav >>> ssharkins at gmail.com 21-05-2009 17:34 >>> Okay, after discussing this a bit with Charlotte, she says the problem is the TableAdaptor -- the VB Configuration Wizard uses a TableAdapter to populate the control. I'm researching this morning, but I can't seem to find anything on editing the TableAdaptor to show only the last few records and the edit row, instead of displaying all of the records. Any help? Susan H. > Using VB Express 8, I added the following to a form class with a > datagridview control, expecting it to limit the number of rows displayed > in the grid, so that the edit row is immediately visible. It doesn't > return an error, but it doesn't seem to do anything at all either -- view > is the same with or without this sub. > > Private Sub CustomersDataGridView_RowValidated(ByVal sender As Object, > ByVal e As System.Windows.Forms.DataGridViewCellEventArgs) Handles > CustomersDataGridView.RowValidated > > CustomersDataGridView.FirstDisplayedScrollingRowIndex = > CustomersDataGridView.Rows.Count - 5 > > End Sub > > Susan H. From administrivia at databaseadvisors.com Sat May 23 14:03:33 2009 From: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com (administrivia at databaseadvisors.com) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 16:03:33 -0300 Subject: [dba-VB] Acai Diet will burn your unwanted fat. 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In a recent Harvard Business Review interview of Toyota's president, he observed, "...when 70 years of very small improvements accumulate, they become a revolution. http://www.infoq.com/presentations/born-to-cycle Thank you. --- Shamil From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue May 26 15:21:39 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 00:21:39 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?RllJOiBTQ1JVTS9BZ2lsZTogVGhlIEpveXMgYW5kIFBh?= =?koi8-r?b?aW5zIG9mIGEgTG9uZyBMaXZlZCBDb2RlYmFzZQ==?= Message-ID: Presented by Jeremy D. Miller on May 24, 2009 07:26 AM In this presentation recorded at QCon SF 2008, Jeremy D. Miller shares lessons learned while developing a project over 5 years. He talks about his mistakes, what to avoid and how to design, code and test better. http://www.infoq.com/presentations/Lessons-Learned-Jeremy-Miller --- Shamil From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed May 27 04:02:58 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:02:58 +0200 Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle Message-ID: Hi Shamil Thanks for these links. If someone get the idea that it was time for a little relax, you keep us busy! /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 26-05-2009 19:28 >>> Born To Cycle Agile development is not about doing a set of practices, it's about a way of "being," it's about learning. How is this learning accomplished? By taking brief pauses after small experiments, even large problems can be solved. In a recent Harvard Business Review interview of Toyota's president, he observed, "...when 70 years of very small improvements accumulate, they become a revolution. http://www.infoq.com/presentations/born-to-cycle Thank you. --- Shamil From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed May 27 10:59:56 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:59:56 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?RllJOiBTQ1JVTS9BZ2lsZSAtIEJvcm4gVG8gQ3ljbGU=?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav and all, Thank you for your joyful note, Gustav :) I posted the link on Linda Rising's presentation on QCon 2008 to point on an interesting fact/proven by many experiments investigation she is "cycling" through: I mean that to be productive one better work in 90 minutes long non-interrupting cycles, and then make a break for 20-30 minues switching on doing something very different. She is also noting that human's brain multi-tasking is unnatural activity and in long run it not only harms one's health but it also doesn't result in overall higher results/outputs achieved - in fact the opposite is true - the overall results/outputs are lower, the quality are lower also etc. ... And now getting back to NorthWind.NET :) As far as I see there is no that much activity here retrospecting this project. That's a pity as without retrospection making another project the same way would result in the same errors and incosistencies. Still I wanted to make some Northwind.NET follow-up projects but this time doing really teamwork with nearly equal share of workload and this time using 90 minutes long (daily) SPRINTs scientifically approved by Linda Rising's experiments :) I'd propose currently freeze doing WinForms development in Northwind.NET project as it nor did bring active discussions here nor did it result in many downloads from northwind.codeplex.com - I'd propose to make some "cool things" instead as WPF desktop Northwind.NET application development for starters using ordinary ADO.NET Datasets to communcate with backend or ADO.NET Entity Framework or I can make (mainly by generating) a custom ORM layer... I do not know is that a generally well known fact or not but doing WPF even a developer without graphic artist's skills can develop really high level (animated) visually attractive "cool" GUI with many "skins" which can be changed even on-the-fly etc. I'd go for that project in the case we can make a team here of max 7+/-2 developers but the team members have to commit they will spend 90min x3 = 4.5 hours/week: if they will commit but then in the very beginning of the project/in the middle it will happen they all quit or will not work commited time amount of 4.5 hours/week as it happened to Northwind.NET v.1.0 then I'd suspend such a project in a team waiting for the team to rearrange to have again full crew of 7+/-2 developers working and communicating actively... Another project if WPF is not that attractive/appealing could be ASP.NET with AJAX and MVC Framework but for ASP.NET we have to have a graphic artist in our team to make nice looking interface and also for ASP.NET we have to have a publicly avaible ASP.NET test hosting site - I currently have one but I cannot use its MS SQL databases (I have only two leased/rented) for public projects as they are used for my own/my customers' test projects and as extending the set of available MS SQL database is costly. There is also mySQL database on that site but I'm almost zero level with mySQL, and I'd avoid using it... I'm open for other proposals... All in all a WPF project looks here currently the most interesting opportunity as the end result could be really nice looking GUI so unusual(?) for MS Access interfaces/VB6 and VB.NET/C# Winfroms interfaces, and as WPF development knowledge should pay back well when one will have projects in the area of XBAP and SilverLight development - quite promising modern development areas. I personally have experience in developing one WPF project from scratch and another one legacy rather advanced I got for some fine tuning of its GUI - IOW we will not start from "blank list" here - I will be able to answer some questions. Although I must say I haven't not that much data binding in WPF - as far as I know it is not that advanced in VS2008 as WinForms binding is... I'd recommend books on WPF subject - "Windows Presentation Foundation Unleashed" by Adam Nathan and "WPF Recipes in C# 2008 (A Problem Solution Approach)" by Sam Noble at all. I'd also note that if we will make this new project we have to decide what to do with SVN: the issue is that to publish the sources from Mark's SVN Server to CodePlex one requires quite some manual error prone work - I have done that publishing several times - every time it took 2 or more hours - we can continue doing that manual publishing but then again we have to share that manual work by every team member: and that manual work looks rather high overhead - therefore before starting the new project we or should find a way to automate this publishing or switch to CodePlex SVN server, which is not so useful as Mark's one during parallel development of the same project as it (CodePlex SVN Server) doesn't allow to lock files etc. I could be missing something - please correct me if I'm wrong but for Northwind.NET I have spent more than 10 hours just to publish the code from Mark's server on Codeplex server: without file's locking feature we will have to be careful while working on the same code - communicating often just to not overwrite each other code editing (no we will not loose it but time to get it back/coordinate if one other's edits are overwritten could be rather time consuming per se) - and communication on technical tasks as "watching each other edits" could be also rather high overhead... As the last point of this message I'd give a refence on another interesting IMO information: http://www.infoq.com/articles/Grid-Azure-3-David-Pallmann "Grid Computing on the Azure Cloud Computing Platform, Part 3: Running a Grid Application" - this is a grid application written using WPF and C# and running on Azure cloud - we can do something like that in the future I guess although I'm not sure can such a test app be hosted./un for free or not... Thank you. -- Shamil From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed May 27 11:48:25 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:48:25 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?RllJOiBTQ1JVTS9BZ2lsZSAtIEJvcm4gVG8gQ3ljbGU=?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi All, ... Continuing the subject of 90 minutes SPRINTs 3 times a week for a new Northwind.Net project and where to find that time: - Linda Rising gives a real life example of a women-writer who did write a whole new book in 90 days using several 90 minutes "SPRINTs" per day - before that she tried to multi-task in small time chunks constantly switching between writing book(s), doing some other work, answering phone calls, reading/writings e-mails etc. - the end result was lower... - I recently started to walk everyday for approx. 90 minutes on a seaside of Finnish Gulf where I live (before I did get watched Linda Rising's presentation :) ) - did I have got some time limitation now for my development work or other things? Nope. I noted I'm spending now less time for reading/writing e-mails and for browsing Internet than before - and I have the same or more time for main work and experimenting/self-education when needed, and I'm getting more healthy/fit with every my walk on seaside :) I mean I suppose that finding time for three 90 minutes SPRINTs within a week is possible for everybody here if they really interested to do something real... together... there is such a good opportunity now... there is a proof for doubtful ones - running northwind.codeplex.com that - a proof/evidence that teamwork as we did it with all its inevitable errors and inconsistencies still could bring really useful and interesting for many people results.... Now is your time to decide - keep spending your time multi-tasking doing main work, browsing Internet, reading/wrting e-mails, hanging in newsgroups, watching TV, trying to do some self-education in the modern development areas... or to free some time to make "cool" real life reseach&development things together working just(?) 90 minutes three times a week but in focused not-interrupting mode - the latter is not "must have" requirement but why not try to do it like that just once for the next small WPF project? Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: Salakhetdinov Shamil To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:59:56 +0400 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle > Hi Gustav and all, > > Thank you for your joyful note, Gustav :) > > I posted the link on Linda Rising's presentation on QCon 2008 to point on an interesting fact/proven by many experiments investigation she is "cycling" through: I mean that to be productive one better work in 90 minutes long non-interrupting cycles, and then make a break for 20-30 minues switching on doing something very different. She is also noting that human's brain multi-tasking is unnatural activity and in long run it not only harms one's health but it also doesn't result in overall higher results/outputs achieved - in fact the opposite is true - the overall results/outputs are lower, the quality are lower also etc. ... > > And now getting back to NorthWind.NET :) > > As far as I see there is no that much activity here retrospecting this project. That's a pity as without retrospection making another project the same way would result in the same errors and incosistencies. > > Still I wanted to make some Northwind.NET follow-up projects but this time doing really teamwork with nearly equal share of workload and this time using 90 minutes long (daily) SPRINTs scientifically approved by Linda Rising's experiments :) > > I'd propose currently freeze doing WinForms development in Northwind.NET project as it nor did bring active discussions here nor did it result in many downloads from northwind.codeplex.com - I'd propose to make some "cool things" instead as WPF desktop Northwind.NET application development for starters using ordinary ADO.NET Datasets to communcate with backend or ADO.NET Entity Framework or I can make (mainly by generating) a custom ORM layer... > > I do not know is that a generally well known fact or not but doing WPF even a developer without graphic artist's skills can develop really high level (animated) visually attractive "cool" GUI with many "skins" which can be changed even on-the-fly etc. > > I'd go for that project in the case we can make a team here of max 7+/-2 developers but the team members have to commit they will spend 90min x3 = 4.5 hours/week: if they will commit but then in the very beginning of the project/in the middle it will happen they all quit or will not work commited time amount of 4.5 hours/week as it happened to Northwind.NET v.1.0 then I'd suspend such a project in a team waiting for the team to rearrange to have again full crew of 7+/-2 developers working and communicating actively... > > Another project if WPF is not that attractive/appealing could be ASP.NET with AJAX and MVC Framework but for ASP.NET we have to have a graphic artist in our team to make nice looking interface and also for ASP.NET we have to have a publicly avaible ASP.NET test hosting site - I currently have one but I cannot use its MS SQL databases (I have only two leased/rented) for public projects as they are used for my own/my customers' test projects and as extending the set of available MS SQL database is costly. There is also mySQL database on that site but I'm almost zero level with mySQL, and I'd avoid using it... > > I'm open for other proposals... > > All in all a WPF project looks here currently the most interesting opportunity as the end result could be really nice looking GUI so unusual(?) for MS Access interfaces/VB6 and VB.NET/C# Winfroms interfaces, and as WPF development knowledge should pay back well when one will have projects in the area of XBAP and SilverLight development - quite promising modern development areas. > > I personally have experience in developing one WPF project from scratch and another one legacy rather advanced I got for some fine tuning of its GUI - IOW we will not start from "blank list" here - I will be able to answer some questions. Although I must say I haven't not that much data binding in WPF - as far as I know it is not that advanced in VS2008 as WinForms binding is... > > I'd recommend books on WPF subject - "Windows Presentation Foundation Unleashed" by Adam Nathan and "WPF Recipes in C# 2008 (A Problem Solution Approach)" by Sam Noble at all. > > I'd also note that if we will make this new project we have to decide what to do with SVN: the issue is that to publish the sources from Mark's SVN Server to CodePlex one requires quite some manual error prone work - I have done that publishing several times - every time it took 2 or more hours - we can continue doing that manual publishing but then again we have to share that manual work by every team member: and that manual work looks rather high overhead - therefore before starting the new project we or should find a way to automate this publishing or switch to CodePlex SVN server, which is not so useful as Mark's one during parallel development of the same project as it (CodePlex SVN Server) doesn't allow to lock files etc. I could be missing something - please correct me if I'm wrong but for Northwind.NET I have spent more than 10 hours just to publish the code from Mark's server on Codeplex server: without file's locking feature we will have to be careful while working! > on the same code - communicating often just to not overwrite each other code editing (no we will not loose it but time to get it back/coordinate if one other's edits are overwritten could be rather time consuming per se) - and communication on technical tasks as "watching each other edits" could be also rather high overhead... > > As the last point of this message I'd give a refence on another interesting IMO information: > > http://www.infoq.com/articles/Grid-Azure-3-David-Pallmann > > "Grid Computing on the Azure Cloud Computing Platform, Part 3: Running a Grid Application" - this is a grid application written using WPF and C# and running on Azure cloud - we can do something like that in the future I guess although I'm not sure can such a test app be hosted./un for free or not... > > Thank you. > > -- > Shamil > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed May 27 12:20:11 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:20:11 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?RllJOiBTQ1JVTS9BZ2lsZSAtIEJvcm4gVG8gQ3ljbGU=?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi All, Continuing the subject of Northwing.NET WPF project here are some "cool" samples you'll be able to use to "charge" your imagination to develop your own WPF user-friendly intuitive GUIs real soon - after we will make together one small Northwind.NET.WPF project :) Beatriz Costa's Solar System listbox styling using WPF http://www.beacosta.com/blog/?p=40 Almost no coding just XAML template - and a text list of Solar System planets is presented as "cool" looking graphics... A WPF Pie Chart with Data Binding Support http://www.codeproject.com/KB/WPF/PieChartDataBinding.aspx Fun With Physics http://www.codeproject.com/KB/WPF/PhysicsFun.aspx ... Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: Salakhetdinov Shamil To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:48:25 +0400 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle > Hi All, > > ... Continuing the subject of 90 minutes SPRINTs 3 times a week for a new Northwind.Net project and where to find that time: > > - Linda Rising gives a real life example of a women-writer who did write a whole new book in 90 days using several 90 minutes "SPRINTs" per day - before that she tried to multi-task in small time chunks constantly switching between writing book(s), doing some other work, answering phone calls, reading/writings e-mails etc. - the end result was lower... > > - I recently started to walk everyday for approx. 90 minutes on a seaside of Finnish Gulf where I live (before I did get watched Linda Rising's presentation :) ) - did I have got some time limitation now for my development work or other things? Nope. I noted I'm spending now less time for reading/writing e-mails and for browsing Internet than before - and I have the same or more time for main work and experimenting/self-education when needed, and I'm getting more healthy/fit with every my walk on seaside :) > > I mean I suppose that finding time for three 90 minutes SPRINTs within a week is possible for everybody here if they really interested to do something real... together... there is such a good opportunity now... there is a proof for doubtful ones - running northwind.codeplex.com that - a proof/evidence that teamwork as we did it with all its inevitable errors and inconsistencies still could bring really useful and interesting for many people results.... > > Now is your time to decide - keep spending your time multi-tasking doing main work, browsing Internet, reading/wrting e-mails, hanging in newsgroups, watching TV, trying to do some self-education in the modern development areas... or to free some time to make "cool" real life reseach&development things together working just(?) 90 minutes three times a week but in focused not-interrupting mode - the latter is not "must have" requirement but why not try to do it like that just once for the next small WPF project? > > Thank you. > > -- > Shamil > > -----Original Message----- > From: Salakhetdinov Shamil > To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." > Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:59:56 +0400 > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] > FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle > > > Hi Gustav and all, > > > > Thank you for your joyful note, Gustav :) > > > > I posted the link on Linda Rising's presentation on QCon 2008 to point on an interesting fact/proven by many experiments investigation she is "cycling" through: I mean that to be productive one better work in 90 minutes long non-interrupting cycles, and then make a break for 20-30 minues switching on doing something very different. She is also noting that human's brain multi-tasking is unnatural activity and in long run it not only harms one's health but it also doesn't result in overall higher results/outputs achieved - in fact the opposite is true - the overall results/outputs are lower, the quality are lower also etc. ... > > > > And now getting back to NorthWind.NET :) > > > > As far as I see there is no that much activity here retrospecting this project. That's a pity as without retrospection making another project the same way would result in the same errors and incosistencies. > > > > Still I wanted to make some Northwind.NET follow-up projects but this time doing really teamwork with nearly equal share of workload and this time using 90 minutes long (daily) SPRINTs scientifically approved by Linda Rising's experiments :) > > > > I'd propose currently freeze doing WinForms development in Northwind.NET project as it nor did bring active discussions here nor did it result in many downloads from northwind.codeplex.com - I'd propose to make some "cool things" instead as WPF desktop Northwind.NET application development for starters using ordinary ADO.NET Datasets to communcate with backend or ADO.NET Entity Framework or I can make (mainly by generating) a custom ORM layer... > > > > I do not know is that a generally well known fact or not but doing WPF even a developer without graphic artist's skills can develop really high level (animated) visually attractive "cool" GUI with many "skins" which can be changed even on-the-fly etc. > > > > I'd go for that project in the case we can make a team here of max 7+/-2 developers but the team members have to commit they will spend 90min x3 = 4.5 hours/week: if they will commit but then in the very beginning of the project/in the middle it will happen they all quit or will not work commited time amount of 4.5 hours/week as it happened to Northwind.NET v.1.0 then I'd suspend such a project in a team waiting for the team to rearrange to have again full crew of 7+/-2 developers working and communicating actively... > > > > Another project if WPF is not that attractive/appealing could be ASP.NET with AJAX and MVC Framework but for ASP.NET we have to have a graphic artist in our team to make nice looking interface and also for ASP.NET we have to have a publicly avaible ASP.NET test hosting site - I currently have one but I cannot use its MS SQL databases (I have only two leased/rented) for public projects as they are used for my own/my customers' test projects and as extending the set of available MS SQL database is costly. There is also mySQL database on that site but I'm almost zero level with mySQL, and I'd avoid using it... > > > > I'm open for other proposals... > > > > All in all a WPF project looks here currently the most interesting opportunity as the end result could be really nice looking GUI so unusual(?) for MS Access interfaces/VB6 and VB.NET/C# Winfroms interfaces, and as WPF development knowledge should pay back well when one will have projects in the area of XBAP and SilverLight development - quite promising modern development areas. > > > > I personally have experience in developing one WPF project from scratch and another one legacy rather advanced I got for some fine tuning of its GUI - IOW we will not start from "blank list" here - I will be able to answer some questions. Although I must say I haven't not that much data binding in WPF - as far as I know it is not that advanced in VS2008 as WinForms binding is... > > > > I'd recommend books on WPF subject - "Windows Presentation Foundation Unleashed" by Adam Nathan and "WPF Recipes in C# 2008 (A Problem Solution Approach)" by Sam Noble at all. > > > > I'd also note that if we will make this new project we have to decide what to do with SVN: the issue is that to publish the sources from Mark's SVN Server to CodePlex one requires quite some manual error prone work - I have done that publishing several times - every time it took 2 or more hours - we can continue doing that manual publishing but then again we have to share that manual work by every team member: and that manual work looks rather high overhead - therefore before starting the new project we or should find a way to automate this publishing or switch to CodePlex SVN server, which is not so useful as Mark's one during parallel development of the same project as it (CodePlex SVN Server) doesn't allow to lock files etc. I could be missing something - please correct me if I'm wrong but for Northwind.NET I have spent more than 10 hours just to publish the code from Mark's server on Codeplex server: without file's locking feature we will have to be careful while worki! > ng! > > on the same code - communicating often just to not overwrite each other code editing (no we will not loose it but time to get it back/coordinate if one other's edits are overwritten could be rather time consuming per se) - and communication on technical tasks as "watching each other edits" could be also rather high overhead... > > > > As the last point of this message I'd give a refence on another interesting IMO information: > > > > http://www.infoq.com/articles/Grid-Azure-3-David-Pallmann > > > > "Grid Computing on the Azure Cloud Computing Platform, Part 3: Running a Grid Application" - this is a grid application written using WPF and C# and running on Azure cloud - we can do something like that in the future I guess although I'm not sure can such a test app be hosted./un for free or not... > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- > > Shamil > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed May 27 16:44:36 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:44:36 -0400 Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <29f585dd0905271444m591364dcw13181619ee38b11b@mail.gmail.com> Hi Shamil, I have recently decided to retire from the profession of programming and instead live on my meager pension and become a hobbyist. As a result, I now have a lot more time available than previously, when I was either working or beating the bushes for work. It may happen that now and then I take a short-term contract, but I am no longer looking for gigs. They will have to look for me :) If the mountain will not come to Mohammed, etc. It feels quite liberating to declare myself retired. It means that I can unsubscribe from various lists that I was reading in an attempt to stay abreast. It also means there are no deadlines. Of course, there are prices to pay, but on the other hand I have no family, no mortgage and no car, so it's possible that I can live on the pittance that my pension pays. There won't be any vacations in Europe any more, but I can accept that. And on the up-side, I have several novels to plough through, and the library is a short walk away. I am not throwing in the towel as a programmer. Call it, if you wish, a sabbatical. I'm making enough time available to play with this project and a couple of others, all guaranteed to make no money, but all guaranteed to keep my brain stimulated. In short, although my participation in Round One was minimal, I now have the time to become more involved in Round Two. Arthur From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed May 27 19:28:50 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 04:28:50 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?RllJOiBTQ1JVTS9BZ2lsZSAtIEJvcm4gVG8gQ3ljbGU=?= In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0905271444m591364dcw13181619ee38b11b@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0905271444m591364dcw13181619ee38b11b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Arthur, Thank you. Let's try to do some WPF search&development while waiting for the team to gather? I think we can make one form XBAP sample applications - XBAP applications could be like that: http://shamils-4.hosting.parking.ru/xbap/Postcard3d.xbap or very simple like that http://shamils-4.hosting.parking.ru/xaml/WpfBrowserApplication1.xbap and they can be published on any Internet server as they do not need server side dedicated process because they are downloaded and executed on client side in browser's "sand-box" - XBAP applications can run in IE7, IE8 and in FireFox 3.x. AFAIK. Of course the XBAP applications do require .NET Framework installed on client side. Let's try to make for starters a simple Shippers form running as XBAP application. This form will not talk to the backend database - it will use hardcoded data: let's concentrate on this stage on learning how WPF controls can be placed and styled on a WPF page/window/form. For the next 90 minutes long SPRINT here the task is to make such a simple XBAP application. Arthur, for you I'd propose to look for WPF sources to learn - here is one good link on WPF videos: http://windowsclient.net/learn/videos_wpf.aspx Let's set deadline for the Shippers form to appear as an XBAP application for the next Monday - 1st of June 2009 - by that time I expect you'll get some WPF knowledge/experience and maybe some more developers will join us for us to plan the next steps together - OK? Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller To: Salakhetdinov Shamil , "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:44:36 -0400 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle > Hi Shamil, > > I have recently decided to retire from the profession of programming and > instead live on my meager pension and become a hobbyist. As a result, I now > have a lot more time available than previously, when I was either working or > beating the bushes for work. It may happen that now and then I take a > short-term contract, but I am no longer looking for gigs. They will have to > look for me :) If the mountain will not come to Mohammed, etc. > > It feels quite liberating to declare myself retired. It means that I can > unsubscribe from various lists that I was reading in an attempt to stay > abreast. It also means there are no deadlines. Of course, there are prices > to pay, but on the other hand I have no family, no mortgage and no car, so > it's possible that I can live on the pittance that my pension pays. There > won't be any vacations in Europe any more, but I can accept that. And on the > up-side, I have several novels to plough through, and the library is a short > walk away. > > I am not throwing in the towel as a programmer. Call it, if you wish, a > sabbatical. I'm making enough time available to play with this project and a > couple of others, all guaranteed to make no money, but all guaranteed to > keep my brain stimulated. > > In short, although my participation in Round One was minimal, I now have the > time to become more involved in Round Two. > > Arthur > > From mmattys at rochester.rr.com Wed May 27 20:42:29 2009 From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:42:29 -0400 Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle References: <29f585dd0905271444m591364dcw13181619ee38b11b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9650728EA4224712A247DC07CA22B5DB@Mattys> Great! windowsclient.net - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Arthur Fuller" Cc: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [dba-VB]FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle > Hi Arthur, > > Thank you. > > Let's try to do some WPF search&development while waiting for the team to > gather? > > I think we can make one form XBAP sample applications - XBAP applications > could be like that: > > http://shamils-4.hosting.parking.ru/xbap/Postcard3d.xbap > > or very simple like that > > http://shamils-4.hosting.parking.ru/xaml/WpfBrowserApplication1.xbap > > and they can be published on any Internet server as they do not need > server side dedicated process because they are downloaded and executed on > client side in browser's "sand-box" - XBAP applications can run in IE7, > IE8 and in FireFox 3.x. AFAIK. Of course the XBAP applications do require > .NET Framework installed on client side. > > Let's try to make for starters a simple Shippers form running as XBAP > application. This form will not talk to the backend database - it will use > hardcoded data: let's concentrate on this stage on learning how WPF > controls can be placed and styled on a WPF page/window/form. > > For the next 90 minutes long SPRINT here the task is to make such a simple > XBAP application. > Arthur, for you I'd propose to look for WPF sources to learn - here is one > good link on WPF videos: > > http://windowsclient.net/learn/videos_wpf.aspx > > Let's set deadline for the Shippers form to appear as an XBAP application > for the next Monday - 1st of June 2009 - by that time I expect you'll get > some WPF knowledge/experience and maybe some more developers will join us > for us to plan the next steps together - OK? > > Thank you. > > -- > Shamil > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Arthur Fuller > To: Salakhetdinov Shamil , "Discussion concerning Visual > Basic and related programming issues." > Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:44:36 -0400 > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle > >> Hi Shamil, >> >> I have recently decided to retire from the profession of programming and >> instead live on my meager pension and become a hobbyist. As a result, I >> now >> have a lot more time available than previously, when I was either working >> or >> beating the bushes for work. It may happen that now and then I take a >> short-term contract, but I am no longer looking for gigs. They will have >> to >> look for me :) If the mountain will not come to Mohammed, etc. >> >> It feels quite liberating to declare myself retired. It means that I can >> unsubscribe from various lists that I was reading in an attempt to stay >> abreast. It also means there are no deadlines. Of course, there are >> prices >> to pay, but on the other hand I have no family, no mortgage and no car, >> so >> it's possible that I can live on the pittance that my pension pays. There >> won't be any vacations in Europe any more, but I can accept that. And on >> the >> up-side, I have several novels to plough through, and the library is a >> short >> walk away. >> >> I am not throwing in the towel as a programmer. Call it, if you wish, a >> sabbatical. I'm making enough time available to play with this project >> and a >> couple of others, all guaranteed to make no money, but all guaranteed to >> keep my brain stimulated. >> >> In short, although my participation in Round One was minimal, I now have >> the >> time to become more involved in Round Two. >> >> Arthur >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed May 27 21:33:16 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:33:16 -0700 Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0905271444m591364dcw13181619ee38b11b@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0905271444m591364dcw13181619ee38b11b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <60206B2617E6411EB904E634B2CBF5E2@creativesystemdesigns.com> I declared myself retired 4 years ago and now my hobbies are nearly full-time jobs... You not out yet Arthur. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 2:45 PM To: Salakhetdinov Shamil; Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle Hi Shamil, I have recently decided to retire from the profession of programming and instead live on my meager pension and become a hobbyist. As a result, I now have a lot more time available than previously, when I was either working or beating the bushes for work. It may happen that now and then I take a short-term contract, but I am no longer looking for gigs. They will have to look for me :) If the mountain will not come to Mohammed, etc. It feels quite liberating to declare myself retired. It means that I can unsubscribe from various lists that I was reading in an attempt to stay abreast. It also means there are no deadlines. Of course, there are prices to pay, but on the other hand I have no family, no mortgage and no car, so it's possible that I can live on the pittance that my pension pays. There won't be any vacations in Europe any more, but I can accept that. And on the up-side, I have several novels to plough through, and the library is a short walk away. I am not throwing in the towel as a programmer. Call it, if you wish, a sabbatical. I'm making enough time available to play with this project and a couple of others, all guaranteed to make no money, but all guaranteed to keep my brain stimulated. In short, although my participation in Round One was minimal, I now have the time to become more involved in Round Two. Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu May 28 03:14:29 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:14:29 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes (Step1) Message-ID: Hi All, Let's start WPF buttons styling exercizes - here is a web page, which should display three stacked buttons when loaded into IE 7/8 or FireFox 3.x on MS Windows Vista, and I guess on latest Windows XP SP3(?) - but I haven't tested that latter: http://shamils-4.hosting.parking.ru/wpf/SpecialButtonStyle1.xaml The following is the above web page's xaml - it is given just for starters to define/test what are the target platforms for which this exersize can be tested online - the next samples will augment this .xaml page with styling. I should note that AFAIK the usage of .xaml pages' styling that way online is rather limited because this page/application is running in sandbox, which makes many WPF/XAML features unavailable because of secutiry reasons. For example will not work on this page (I don't know yet/I guess that activation on for this page can be done by using accompanying manifest file - anybody to approve/disapprove?) Anyway we should be able to make visually attractive buttons even in this limited sandbox context: when done those styles can be reused in WPF, XBAP and SilverLight applications. Let's start: -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stewart To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 07:33:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > Rendering xaml files requires Framework 3.5 SP1 on the client machine. > > You have to enable full trust in the security settings of the application. > > I have not used the pages I have used the windows. > > You create an instance of the window and show it. > > At 03:58 AM 5/30/2009, you wrote: > >Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 01:48:12 +0400 > >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil > >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Fw: Re: SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > > (StepN) > >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > > issues." > >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > > > >Hi Gustav, > > > >I have created this code by hand - I have no Expression Design 2 here. > > > >I'd guess Chrome, Safari and Opera will start support .xaml files > >rendering soon as recently FireFox 3.x have done: AFAIU rendering > >.xaml files is done by using something like ActiveX control - do you > >know which one? > > > >BTW, what I do not know but (I'd hope that it should work) is how to > >use code behind with such .xaml pages? If create e.g. > > > >http://shamils-4.hosting.parking.ru/wpf/SpecialButtonStyleX.xaml.cs > > > >processing button click event then it will not run - it will be > >blocked because of security reasons - there should be possible I > >guess/hope to accompany such .xaml.cs files with special manifest > >files to have code behind enabled? > > > >Just wondering - if loading .xaml pages with code behind would be > >possible and also if it would be possible to have entry .xaml pages > >to call other ones located on server then that would be a way to > >make light .xaml (not XBAP) applications with .xaml pages loaded > >from server, compiled and run in demand... > > > >Thank you. > > > >-- > >Shamil > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun May 31 06:24:09 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 15:24:09 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?U0NSVU0vV1BGIC0gQnV0dG9ucyBTdHlsaW5nIEV4ZXJj?= =?koi8-r?b?aXplcw==?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi All, Have a look I have occasionally found a sample application/demo with advanced WPF controls from Syncfusion: http://samples.syncfusion.com/wpf/demosvol2/Gaugewpf/samplebrowser.xbap It's rather large - -12MB and takes some time to start with but the good news it gets cached, and the next time you type the above URL in your browser the app starts almost instantly - ~2 seconds on 3MHz Dual Core Pentiun. Just wanted to demonstrate/confirm that .xbap applications are getting cached locally, and to note that there is not that a big difference between developing WPF desktop application or WPF XBAP application - in fact one can even try to develop both of them in one project or start with, say, WFP desktop application and then add XBAP application which will use the same custom components: I assume that those WPF desktop and XBAP applications will use web services or SQL connection strings to talk to a backend but some companies avoid doing the latter because of the risk of SQL Servers being hacked... Thank you. -- Shamil From robert at webedb.com Sun May 31 09:46:51 2009 From: robert at webedb.com (Robert Stewart) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:46:51 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200905311447.n4VElRtW015938@databaseadvisors.com> At the TechFest here locally, Houston, TX, they did say that there is active work going on to make a version of Silverlight that will run on a Mac and on Linux. Moonlight is the one for the Mac. I don't remember the one for Linux. I do not think that the same can be said for the entire framework. At 12:00 PM 5/30/2009, you wrote: >Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 19:48:29 +0400 >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > issues." >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > >Hi Robert, > >Thank you for your reply. > >I thought that using special manifest files one can define something >like a sand-box environment without setting full trust priviledges >for the source .xaml files with code behinn or inline code, the >latter could be like that: > >xmlns:x="http://schemas.microsoft.com/winfx/2006/xaml"> > >void button_Click(object sender, RoutedEventArgs e) >{ >MessageBox.Show("OK"); >} >]]> > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun May 31 10:47:13 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 19:47:13 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?U0NSVU0vV1BGIC0gQnV0dG9ucyBTdHlsaW5nIEV4ZXJj?= =?koi8-r?b?aXplcw==?= In-Reply-To: <200905311447.n4VElRtW015938@databaseadvisors.com> References: <200905311447.n4VElRtW015938@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Hi Robert, Thank you for your reply. And "transition" from WPF desktop applications or XBAP applications to SilverLight ones should be rather natural I expect (with some "preventive" measures taken to organize back-end communication). But I must say I haven't yet program any SilverLight apps. I'm looking at VS2008 SP1 Prof. now and I do not see SilverLight projects available - should I install special SilverLight SDK? Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stewart To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:46:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > At the TechFest here locally, Houston, TX, they did say that there is active > work going on to make a version of Silverlight that will run on a Mac and > on Linux. Moonlight is the one for the Mac. I don't remember the one for > Linux. I do not think that the same can be said for the entire framework. > > At 12:00 PM 5/30/2009, you wrote: > >Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 19:48:29 +0400 > >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil > >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > > issues." > >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > > > >Hi Robert, > > > >Thank you for your reply. > > > >I thought that using special manifest files one can define something > >like a sand-box environment without setting full trust priviledges > >for the source .xaml files with code behinn or inline code, the > >latter could be like that: > > > > >xmlns:x="http://schemas.microsoft.com/winfx/2006/xaml"> > > > > >void button_Click(object sender, RoutedEventArgs e) > >{ > >MessageBox.Show("OK"); > >} > >]]> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Gustav at cactus.dk Sun May 31 12:44:07 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 19:44:07 +0200 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes Message-ID: Hi Shamil Yes, you will need the Microsoft Silverlight 2 Software Development Kit. Here is a full list of the recommended prerequisites: http://silverlight.net/GetStarted/ Silverlight 2 runtime is available for Windows and Mac. For Linux it is the Mono Moonlight project (under development): http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 31-05-2009 17:47 >>> Hi Robert, Thank you for your reply. And "transition" from WPF desktop applications or XBAP applications to SilverLight ones should be rather natural I expect (with some "preventive" measures taken to organize back-end communication). But I must say I haven't yet program any SilverLight apps. I'm looking at VS2008 SP1 Prof. now and I do not see SilverLight projects available - should I install special SilverLight SDK? Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stewart To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:46:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > At the TechFest here locally, Houston, TX, they did say that there is active > work going on to make a version of Silverlight that will run on a Mac and > on Linux. Moonlight is the one for the Mac. I don't remember the one for > Linux. I do not think that the same can be said for the entire framework. > > At 12:00 PM 5/30/2009, you wrote: > >Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 19:48:29 +0400 > >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil > >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > > issues." > >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > > > >Hi Robert, > > > >Thank you for your reply. > > > >I thought that using special manifest files one can define something > >like a sand-box environment without setting full trust priviledges > >for the source .xaml files with code behinn or inline code, the > >latter could be like that: > > > > >xmlns:x="http://schemas.microsoft.com/winfx/2006/xaml"> > > > > >void button_Click(object sender, RoutedEventArgs e) > >{ > >MessageBox.Show("OK"); > >} > >]]> > > From robert at webedb.com Sun May 31 12:56:07 2009 From: robert at webedb.com (Robert Stewart) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 12:56:07 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200905311756.n4VHueUT006687@databaseadvisors.com> I will be starting to work on a Silverlight application at the end of June. I am currently working on converting an Access application into WPF using the entity framework. I just created a VM with WIndows 7 RC and VS 2010 Beta 1. I will be using them to do some presentations at the user group that I teach. Database and GUI Design. There are currently 3 of us working in WPF. One is developing a pipe yard inventory and shipping application in WPF. The other has developed oil well information programs in WPF and is working another one now. I am working a an application that manages social service agencies that supply people with food, clothes, and other services. At 12:00 PM 5/31/2009, you wrote: >Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 19:47:13 +0400 >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > issues." >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > >Hi Robert, > >Thank you for your reply. > >And "transition" from WPF desktop applications or XBAP applications >to SilverLight ones should be rather natural I expect (with some >"preventive" measures taken to organize back-end communication). > >But I must say I haven't yet program any SilverLight apps. > >I'm looking at VS2008 SP1 Prof. now and I do not see SilverLight >projects available - should I install special SilverLight SDK? > >Thank you. > >-- >Shamil From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun May 31 13:19:14 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:19:14 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?U0NSVU0vV1BGIC0gQnV0dG9ucyBTdHlsaW5nIEV4ZXJj?= =?koi8-r?b?aXplcw==?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav, Thank you for the links. I'd definitely plan to R&D SilverLight development after WPF & XBAP. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 19:44:07 +0200 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > Hi Shamil > > Yes, you will need the Microsoft Silverlight 2 Software Development Kit. > Here is a full list of the recommended prerequisites: > > http://silverlight.net/GetStarted/ > > Silverlight 2 runtime is available for Windows and Mac. > For Linux it is the Mono Moonlight project (under development): > > http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight > > /gustav > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 31-05-2009 17:47 >>> > Hi Robert, > > Thank you for your reply. > > And "transition" from WPF desktop applications or XBAP applications to SilverLight ones should be rather natural I expect (with some "preventive" measures taken to organize back-end communication). > > But I must say I haven't yet program any SilverLight apps. > > I'm looking at VS2008 SP1 Prof. now and I do not see SilverLight projects available - should I install special SilverLight SDK? > > Thank you. > > -- > Shamil > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Stewart > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:46:51 -0500 > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > > > At the TechFest here locally, Houston, TX, they did say that there is active > > work going on to make a version of Silverlight that will run on a Mac and > > on Linux. Moonlight is the one for the Mac. I don't remember the one for > > Linux. I do not think that the same can be said for the entire framework. > > > > At 12:00 PM 5/30/2009, you wrote: > > >Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 19:48:29 +0400 > > >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil > > >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > > >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > > > issues." > > >Message-ID: > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > > > > > >Hi Robert, > > > > > >Thank you for your reply. > > > > > >I thought that using special manifest files one can define something > > >like a sand-box environment without setting full trust priviledges > > >for the source .xaml files with code behinn or inline code, the > > >latter could be like that: > > > > > > > >xmlns:x="http://schemas.microsoft.com/winfx/2006/xaml"> > > > > > > > >void button_Click(object sender, RoutedEventArgs e) > > >{ > > >MessageBox.Show("OK"); > > >} > > >]]> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun May 31 13:32:50 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:32:50 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?U0NSVU0vV1BGIC0gQnV0dG9ucyBTdHlsaW5nIEV4ZXJj?= =?koi8-r?b?aXplcw==?= In-Reply-To: <200905311756.n4VHueUT006687@databaseadvisors.com> References: <200905311756.n4VHueUT006687@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Hi Robert, Well, you're "travelling" the same roadmap our Northwind.net is supposed to travel in the coming months AFAIE - why not join our team to do some R&D together? :) What can you tell us from your experience with WPF and SilverLight - do they use the same (but limityed) set of controls or at least the same XAML constructs, which maybe are rendered using different SilverLight specific controls? I have found a SilverLight a set of SilverLight tutorials here http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/pages/silverlight-tutorial-part-1-creating-quot-hello-world-quot-with-silverlight-2-and-vs-2008.aspx but I cannot yet tyr them as I haven't got yet installed SilverLight SDK. Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stewart To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 12:56:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > I will be starting to work on a Silverlight application at the end of June. > I am currently working on converting an Access application into WPF > using the entity framework. > > I just created a VM with WIndows 7 RC and VS 2010 Beta 1. I will > be using them to do some presentations at the user group that I teach. > Database and GUI Design. > > There are currently 3 of us working in WPF. One is developing a pipe > yard inventory and shipping application in WPF. The other has developed > oil well information programs in WPF and is working another one now. > I am working a an application that manages social service agencies > that supply people with food, clothes, and other services. > > > At 12:00 PM 5/31/2009, you wrote: > >Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 19:47:13 +0400 > >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil > >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > > issues." > >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > > > >Hi Robert, > > > >Thank you for your reply. > > > >And "transition" from WPF desktop applications or XBAP applications > >to SilverLight ones should be rather natural I expect (with some > >"preventive" measures taken to organize back-end communication). > > > >But I must say I haven't yet program any SilverLight apps. > > > >I'm looking at VS2008 SP1 Prof. now and I do not see SilverLight > >projects available - should I install special SilverLight SDK? > > > >Thank you. > > > >-- > >Shamil > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun May 31 17:25:41 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 02:25:41 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?U0NSVU0vV1BGIC0gQnV0dG9ucyBTdHlsaW5nIEV4ZXJj?= =?koi8-r?b?aXplcw==?= In-Reply-To: <200905311756.n4VHueUT006687@databaseadvisors.com> References: <200905311756.n4VHueUT006687@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Hi Robert at All, I have made sample SilverLight application and I have got it installed (by XCOPY) here: http://shamils-4.hosting.parking.ru/sl It works well when running locally in debug mode under VS2008 SP1 but it does not show anything in SilverLight when running from the above link. What could be wrong? Thank you. -- Shamil P.S. Here is the main code of the above sample application: http://shamils-4.hosting.parking.ru/sl Page1.xaml ======== User Name: Password: Page1.xaml.cs ========== using System; using System.Collections.Generic; using System.Linq; using System.Net; using System.Windows; using System.Windows.Controls; using System.Windows.Documents; using System.Windows.Input; using System.Windows.Media; using System.Windows.Media.Animation; using System.Windows.Shapes; namespace SLA1 { public partial class Page : UserControl { public Page() { InitializeComponent(); } private void Button_Click(object sender, RoutedEventArgs e) { if (txtUserName.Text != "guest" || txtPassword.Text != "test") MessageBox.Show("Invalid UserName or Password"); else MessageBox.Show("Hello, World!"); } } } -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stewart To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 12:56:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > I will be starting to work on a Silverlight application at the end of June. > I am currently working on converting an Access application into WPF > using the entity framework. > > I just created a VM with WIndows 7 RC and VS 2010 Beta 1. I will > be using them to do some presentations at the user group that I teach. > Database and GUI Design. > > There are currently 3 of us working in WPF. One is developing a pipe > yard inventory and shipping application in WPF. The other has developed > oil well information programs in WPF and is working another one now. > I am working a an application that manages social service agencies > that supply people with food, clothes, and other services. > From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed May 6 15:35:57 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 22:35:57 +0200 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released Message-ID: Hi Shamil et al I've been busy with other tasks (for a living) ans still am at some extent so I've lost track of what the next step in the process or project is? Did we get the planned feedback from our "customer" of the project? /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 28-04-2009 21:34 >>> Hi All, Northwind.NET v.1.2 (sources and executables) released on http://northwind.codeplex.com/Release/ProjectReleases.aspx?ReleaseId=26600 This version has: 1) WinForms sample application with MS SQL 2005/2008 BE; 2) WinForms sample application with MS Access BE; 3) ASP.NET sample reporting website with MS Access BE. Thank you. -- Shamil From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com Thu May 7 00:31:39 2009 From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 01:31:39 -0400 Subject: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? References: <200904291826.n3TIQcBm000577@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: ...Alexd Dybenko linked your codeplex northwind.net site in his Alex & Access newsletter. William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:06 PM To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Subject: Re: [dba-VB]ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > > Thank you in advance, Robert. > > -- > Shamil > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Robert L. Stewart" > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:26:03 -0500 > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > >> Shamil, >> >> Since I have not done it yet, I cannot answer that. >> But, I will do some testing over the weekend and >> let you know what I find out. >> >> Robert >> >> At 12:00 PM 4/29/2009, you wrote: >> >Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:41:08 +0400 >> >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil >> >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? >> >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming >> > issues." >> >Message-ID: >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r >> > >> > >> >Hi Robert, >> > >> >I'm only starting with EF, and from other posts on Web I have got an >> >impression that it's not pssible to map selection SPs to entities in >> >VS2008 SP1 - is that correct information? (they say the mapping >> >feature exists in VS2010 to be released somewhere end of this year) >> > >> >Yes, I realize I can extend entities' (partial?) classes manually - >> >and use custom SPs in such extensions - are you doing something like >> >that? >> > >> >Thank you. >> > >> >-- >> >Shamil >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-VB mailing list >> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From accessd at shaw.ca Thu May 7 11:36:29 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 09:36:29 -0700 Subject: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? In-Reply-To: References: <200904291826.n3TIQcBm000577@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: For what it is worth, it has also been linked and 'Iframed' off the DBA (http://www.databaseadvisors.com) site. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:32 PM To: Salakhetdinov Shamil; Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? ...Alexd Dybenko linked your codeplex northwind.net site in his Alex & Access newsletter. William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:06 PM To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Subject: Re: [dba-VB]ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > > Thank you in advance, Robert. > > -- > Shamil > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Robert L. Stewart" > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:26:03 -0500 > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > >> Shamil, >> >> Since I have not done it yet, I cannot answer that. >> But, I will do some testing over the weekend and >> let you know what I find out. >> >> Robert >> >> At 12:00 PM 4/29/2009, you wrote: >> >Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:41:08 +0400 >> >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil >> >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? >> >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming >> > issues." >> >Message-ID: >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r >> > >> > >> >Hi Robert, >> > >> >I'm only starting with EF, and from other posts on Web I have got an >> >impression that it's not pssible to map selection SPs to entities in >> >VS2008 SP1 - is that correct information? (they say the mapping >> >feature exists in VS2010 to be released somewhere end of this year) >> > >> >Yes, I realize I can extend entities' (partial?) classes manually - >> >and use custom SPs in such extensions - are you doing something like >> >that? >> > >> >Thank you. >> > >> >-- >> >Shamil >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dba-VB mailing list >> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri May 8 08:37:45 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 17:37:45 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?U0NSVU06IE5vcnRod2luZC5ORVQgdi4xLjIgUmVsZWFz?= =?koi8-r?b?ZWQ=?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav at all, I must say I'm doing some programming for my customers here too. No, we didn't have that much feeback from our "customer" for the currently published version. The next planned steps are: - v.1.5 of Northwind.NET with MDI interface + navigation functionality separated into custom class(es) and tested using NUnit or MS Visual Studio testing features if that are freely available i.e. not part of MS VS Team System ; - v.2.0 of Northwind.NET with MDI interface - treeview driven with paged data retrieval + introducing Northwind Business Domain Model to use it for data entry/edit validation; I have also got proposal/request from Alex Dybenko to implement a brief video to show how to "wrap" .NET code into COM-callable classlibs as well to implement a sample Web Service delivering MS ADO recordsets to VBA clients to bind to e.g. MS Access Forms or to use in MS Excel worksheets... If anybody is free currently to implement any of the above functionality/samples or if anybody wanted to discuss them or to change the above todo list - let's discuss it here... Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 22:35:57 +0200 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released > Hi Shamil et al > > I've been busy with other tasks (for a living) ans still am at some extent so I've lost track of what the next step in the process or project is? > Did we get the planned feedback from our "customer" of the project? > > /gustav > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 28-04-2009 21:34 >>> > Hi All, > > Northwind.NET v.1.2 (sources and executables) released on > > http://northwind.codeplex.com/Release/ProjectReleases.aspx?ReleaseId=26600 > > This version has: > > 1) WinForms sample application with MS SQL 2005/2008 BE; > 2) WinForms sample application with MS Access BE; > 3) ASP.NET sample reporting website with MS Access BE. > > Thank you. > > -- > Shamil > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri May 8 08:42:22 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 17:42:22 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?QURPLk5FVCBFbnRpdHkgRnJhbWV3b3JrIC0gdG8gdXNl?= =?koi8-r?b?IG9yIG5vdD8=?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi William, Thank you for the note. Yes, I have exchanged some e-mails with Alex Dybenko, and he told me he liked what we're doing but I haven't seen his blog entry on northwind.codeplex.com http://accessblog.net/2009/05/northwindnet.html -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: "William Hindman" To: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" ,"Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 01:31:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [dba-VB]ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > ...Alexd Dybenko linked your codeplex northwind.net site in his Alex & > Access newsletter. > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:06 PM > To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB]ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > > > > > Thank you in advance, Robert. > > > > -- > > Shamil > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Robert L. Stewart" > > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com > > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:26:03 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > > > >> Shamil, > >> > >> Since I have not done it yet, I cannot answer that. > >> But, I will do some testing over the weekend and > >> let you know what I find out. > >> > >> Robert > >> > >> At 12:00 PM 4/29/2009, you wrote: > >> >Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:41:08 +0400 > >> >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil > >> >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > >> >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > >> > issues." > >> >Message-ID: > >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > >> > > >> > > >> >Hi Robert, > >> > > >> >I'm only starting with EF, and from other posts on Web I have got an > >> >impression that it's not pssible to map selection SPs to entities in > >> >VS2008 SP1 - is that correct information? (they say the mapping > >> >feature exists in VS2010 to be released somewhere end of this year) > >> > > >> >Yes, I realize I can extend entities' (partial?) classes manually - > >> >and use custom SPs in such extensions - are you doing something like > >> >that? > >> > > >> >Thank you. > >> > > >> >-- > >> >Shamil > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-VB mailing list > >> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri May 8 08:45:46 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 17:45:46 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?QURPLk5FVCBFbnRpdHkgRnJhbWV3b3JrIC0gdG8gdXNl?= =?koi8-r?b?IG9yIG5vdD8=?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you, Jim, I hope it will help to attract attention of more developers to this project as well as to provide some more participants to DatabaseAdvisors discussions... -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: "Jim Lawrence" To: "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'" Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 09:36:29 -0700 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > For what it is worth, it has also been linked and 'Iframed' off the DBA > (http://www.databaseadvisors.com) site. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:32 PM > To: Salakhetdinov Shamil; Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related > programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > > ...Alexd Dybenko linked your codeplex northwind.net site in his Alex & > Access newsletter. > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:06 PM > To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB]ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > > > > > Thank you in advance, Robert. > > > > -- > > Shamil > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Robert L. Stewart" > > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com > > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:26:03 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > > > >> Shamil, > >> > >> Since I have not done it yet, I cannot answer that. > >> But, I will do some testing over the weekend and > >> let you know what I find out. > >> > >> Robert > >> > >> At 12:00 PM 4/29/2009, you wrote: > >> >Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:41:08 +0400 > >> >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil > >> >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] ADO.NET Entity Framework - to use or not? > >> >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > >> > issues." > >> >Message-ID: > >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > >> > > >> > > >> >Hi Robert, > >> > > >> >I'm only starting with EF, and from other posts on Web I have got an > >> >impression that it's not pssible to map selection SPs to entities in > >> >VS2008 SP1 - is that correct information? (they say the mapping > >> >feature exists in VS2010 to be released somewhere end of this year) > >> > > >> >Yes, I realize I can extend entities' (partial?) classes manually - > >> >and use custom SPs in such extensions - are you doing something like > >> >that? > >> > > >> >Thank you. > >> > > >> >-- > >> >Shamil > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> dba-VB mailing list > >> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > >> http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Sat May 9 06:06:23 2009 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 12:06:23 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello All, Sorry that I did not respond too much in recent weeks, as you all have, I am also rather busy here. However, I did want to let you know that two weeks ago, I did download and spend 3-4 hours playing with and reviewing the application that including at that time the navigation feature. The version that I got from Source control did load Gustav's navigator, and it looked good. The nodes were still from Gustav's original project, but for my own enjoyment, I did wire one of the nodes to the categories form and it appeared to work very well. I noticed that it prevented me from loading multiple instances of the same form, which I took to be a good thing. What I did not see, and currently assume that there is not an easy way to do it, is to use the navigator like the MS Access SwitchBoard manager. This would be a real addition to this utility, but I guess at that point we would look at all options, including purchasing an add-in. Regarding the reports, I just got them working today from VS2008, I currently cannot get them to run in Vista Ultimate, as a website, but that is most likely an environmental issue on my machine, however, I have already spent 2-3 hours on that today, IIS7 looks quite different to IIS6. What I do want to say is that the reports look really great, and I am quite excited to see how easily I can create similar reports myself. Shamil / Gustav, do I need to go anything for you for this project at this point ? I wish I could offer to more, but my terrible slowness with the .Net Environment kills me. I would love to participate at some level of hte unit tests, but I would need someone to help me to get started if I was to be of any use to you or me. Thanks Mark 2009/5/8 Salakhetdinov Shamil > Hi Gustav at all, > > I must say I'm doing some programming for my customers here too. > > No, we didn't have that much feeback from our "customer" for the currently > published version. > > The next planned steps are: > > - v.1.5 of Northwind.NET with MDI interface + navigation functionality > separated into custom class(es) and tested using NUnit or MS Visual Studio > testing features if that are freely available i.e. not part of MS VS Team > System ; > - v.2.0 of Northwind.NET with MDI interface - treeview driven with paged > data retrieval + introducing Northwind Business Domain Model to use it for > data entry/edit validation; > > I have also got proposal/request from Alex Dybenko to implement a brief > video to show how to "wrap" .NET code into COM-callable classlibs as well to > implement a sample Web Service delivering MS ADO recordsets to VBA clients > to bind to e.g. MS Access Forms or to use in MS Excel worksheets... > > If anybody is free currently to implement any of the above > functionality/samples or if anybody wanted to discuss them or to change the > above todo list - let's discuss it here... > > Thank you. > > -- > Shamil > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Gustav Brock" > To: > Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 22:35:57 +0200 > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released > > > Hi Shamil et al > > > > I've been busy with other tasks (for a living) ans still am at some > extent so I've lost track of what the next step in the process or project > is? > > Did we get the planned feedback from our "customer" of the project? > > > > /gustav > > > > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 28-04-2009 21:34 >>> > > Hi All, > > > > Northwind.NET v.1.2 (sources and executables) released on > > > > > http://northwind.codeplex.com/Release/ProjectReleases.aspx?ReleaseId=26600 > > > > This version has: > > > > 1) WinForms sample application with MS SQL 2005/2008 BE; > > 2) WinForms sample application with MS Access BE; > > 3) ASP.NET sample reporting website with MS Access BE. > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- > > Shamil > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue May 12 14:36:03 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:36:03 +0200 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released Message-ID: Hi all Still recovering from a second instance of the flu (not H1N1A) within 6 months (what did I do?) browsing hundreds of messages, I'm a bit late on forwarding this from Shamil which was trapped by some stupid spam filter somewhere on the 10th of May: Hi Mark and All, This project was started as SCRUM one, which (SCRUM) implies a lot of teamwork and a lot of feedback. So far it was not that much (as expected) teamwork (mainly on evaluation/start-up phase) and almost none feedback. We have to handle these issues right now - and I'm asking for your advise how you wanted to approach those issues and to effectively solve them. Let's call the current phase of our project a retrospection phase, and let's have it deadlines set for two weeks: 11-MAY-09 - 25-MAY-09. All and every opinions and proposals are very welcome. Let's freeze work on v.1.5 and v.2.0 during these weeks - I personally can't handle quickly them alone as I have to work for my customers, and making v.1.5 and v.2.0 as a team is looking now questionable (please correct me if I'm wrong) as we do not have currently a team with intermediate/advanced C#/SQL development qualification and personal tutoring of beginning C# developers, which can be done currently only by Gustav and myself, is very time consuming. As well we do not have active discussion on detailed v.1.5 and v.2.0 functionality and in SCRUM the requirements are defined by ProductOwner/stake holders/customers/external audience/market demands not by the SCRUMMaster/SCRUM team developers (as developers tend to do more what they like to do (fun and sometimes tricky programming) not the real life software development - we all know that from our own experience ) If you look at the project downloads/pages views/visits stats here: http://northwind.codeplex.com/stats you'll find that we have got 500+ downloads during last 20 days - that's not bad at all. But from that 500+ downloads we have got just one review and link (from Alex Dybenko), and we have got linked by Jim Lawrence from AccessAdvisors site. The 500+ downloads show that there is an interest of developers to the subject of this project but absence of feedback is confusing (here) as I wanted to have this project to be feedback/market demand driven not just as exercises in teamwork/learning by doing experience. Of course exercises in teamwork and learning by doing experience are useful but without active feedback we risk to end up doing "mad scientist exercises" not learning/demonstrating real development stuff applicable in real life business software development... How well feedback works shows the fact of my contacting with Alex Dybenko and giving him an url to northwind.codeplex.com (that time without "Welcome", "Mission Statement" etc. info and having just Northwind.NET with MS SQL backend) - I must say first reaction of Alex was rather skeptical but after I added "Welcome", "Mission Statement" etc. (and Arthur and Gustav edited this text), and I have also made downgrading Northwind.NET to use MS Access backend, as well as ASP.NET reporting sample with MS Access backend, then added COM callable classlib contacting web service - after that I have got positive feedback from Alex and he blogged on our project and also Jim Lawrence referred northwind.codeplex.com from AccessAdvisors web site - as you can see just one feedback contact resulted in "some fluctuations" of our roadmap, which brought 500+ downloads... I do think that the most important task now is to get active feedback, which will make corrections to our roadmap and which will drive our development: the best tool we can use now is the "Word Of Mouth" to persuade developers who get our stuff downloaded to give us active *constructive* feedback (as Alex Dybenko did) for us to "convert this feedback" into even more interesting stuff to get downloaded by developers and used by them not only "to individually dig out into samples" but to have the stuff ready to be applied (with some rework/additional work) to their everyday (IT development) business tasks... As for tutoring our team C# development beginners - as I noted above doing that personally is very time consuming - the idea is to somehow make this personal tutoring/coaching publicly available (that public availability will bring even more feedback I expect), and we can do that by publishing short sample videos. But making such videos the way I did it by taking screenshots, then putting them into MS Movie Maker, then adding comments etc. is not looking as the right/professional way to do (and is time consuming) - I suppose that using Camtasia Studio (http://www.techsmith.com/camtasia.asp) would be more effective and would produce more useful videos. And we can make such videos as a team by sharing the tasks: one gets prepared scenarios, one gets video recorded, another one with native English makes voice recording, another one makes all kinds of video effects etc. But Camtasia Studio isn't free (USD299) - if it would be possible to get a shared license for our team (just for USD299?) I'd not mind to invest some money in purchasing it... What do you think about all the above? Please make your proposals how to activate feedback - please "brain-storm" this issue assuming we have unlimited resources - when analysing proposals we will sort out/put on hold proposals we can't work with now because of some limitations... Thank you. -- Shamil >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 09-05-2009 13:06 >>> Shamil / Gustav, do I need to go anything for you for this project at this point ? From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue May 12 16:10:43 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 01:10:43 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?U0NSVU06IE5vcnRod2luZC5ORVQgdi4xLjIgUmVsZWFz?= =?koi8-r?b?ZWQ=?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you, Gustav, for forwarding my e-mail. I wish you got recovered from flu ASAP. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:36:03 +0200 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released > Hi all > > Still recovering from a second instance of the flu (not H1N1A) within 6 months (what did I do?) browsing hundreds of messages, I'm a bit late on forwarding this from Shamil which was trapped by some stupid spam filter somewhere on the 10th of May: > > Hi Mark and All, > > This project was started as SCRUM one, which (SCRUM) implies a lot of > teamwork and a lot of feedback. So far it was not that much (as expected) > teamwork (mainly on evaluation/start-up phase) and almost none feedback. We > have to handle these issues right now - and I'm asking for your advise how <<< skip >>> From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed May 13 06:25:17 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:25:17 +0200 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released Message-ID: Hi Shamil Well, that download count is already at 600+, so I think you are right - the description and purpose really makes a difference. Actually, I'm convinced it has, as I often myself have felt lost when studying a project at SourceForce or elsewhere with pages of change logs but nearly nothing about what the project is for or why I should download it not to say get involved. Very nerdy, and we all are so busy so spending half an hour to find out what you could have read in two minutes from a text is not going to happen. I have no formula to get the teamwork to operate more smoothly. Two problems exist. First, the different level/experience of the members; second, the lack of priority. The first is natural with the diverse backgrounds and interests we have. However, I don't think anyone expects special education videos, only advice and links to relevant material. When you take the time to make a video I'm impressed, as I wouldn't know where to get the time to create such even though it could be fun. The second as hard too, as most of us have a job for a living and also - for some - even a life of some kind (even Drew who used to burn his house down but I think he stopped that activity). Thus, projects like this will be assigned second priority and this can mean zero attention for days, even weeks. This could perhaps be met by some members working together as one "member" hoping that at least one is active. Of course, just a few more participants would help a lot, and perhaps some discussion can attract some. Yes, that's you - the reader - feel free to join! At this moment I've already learnt a lot - having seen the value of subversion in action is alone worth all the trouble - and I would love to experience the SCRUM process in full too - at this moment I think we have had only a little more than the smell of it - just enough to feel the potential. /gustav >>> Gustav at cactus.dk 12-05-2009 21:36 >>> Hi all Still recovering from a second instance of the flu (not H1N1A) within 6 months (what did I do?) browsing hundreds of messages, I'm a bit late on forwarding this from Shamil which was trapped by some stupid spam filter somewhere on the 10th of May: Hi Mark and All, This project was started as SCRUM one, which (SCRUM) implies a lot of teamwork and a lot of feedback. So far it was not that much (as expected) teamwork (mainly on evaluation/start-up phase) and almost none feedback. We have to handle these issues right now - and I'm asking for your advise how you wanted to approach those issues and to effectively solve them. Let's call the current phase of our project a retrospection phase, and let's have it deadlines set for two weeks: 11-MAY-09 - 25-MAY-09. All and every opinions and proposals are very welcome. Let's freeze work on v.1.5 and v.2.0 during these weeks - I personally can't handle quickly them alone as I have to work for my customers, and making v.1.5 and v.2.0 as a team is looking now questionable (please correct me if I'm wrong) as we do not have currently a team with intermediate/advanced C#/SQL development qualification and personal tutoring of beginning C# developers, which can be done currently only by Gustav and myself, is very time consuming. As well we do not have active discussion on detailed v.1.5 and v.2.0 functionality and in SCRUM the requirements are defined by ProductOwner/stake holders/customers/external audience/market demands not by the SCRUMMaster/SCRUM team developers (as developers tend to do more what they like to do (fun and sometimes tricky programming) not the real life software development - we all know that from our own experience ) If you look at the project downloads/pages views/visits stats here: http://northwind.codeplex.com/stats you'll find that we have got 500+ downloads during last 20 days - that's not bad at all. But from that 500+ downloads we have got just one review and link (from Alex Dybenko), and we have got linked by Jim Lawrence from AccessAdvisors site. The 500+ downloads show that there is an interest of developers to the subject of this project but absence of feedback is confusing (here) as I wanted to have this project to be feedback/market demand driven not just as exercises in teamwork/learning by doing experience. Of course exercises in teamwork and learning by doing experience are useful but without active feedback we risk to end up doing "mad scientist exercises" not learning/demonstrating real development stuff applicable in real life business software development... How well feedback works shows the fact of my contacting with Alex Dybenko and giving him an url to northwind.codeplex.com (that time without "Welcome", "Mission Statement" etc. info and having just Northwind.NET with MS SQL backend) - I must say first reaction of Alex was rather skeptical but after I added "Welcome", "Mission Statement" etc. (and Arthur and Gustav edited this text), and I have also made downgrading Northwind.NET to use MS Access backend, as well as ASP.NET reporting sample with MS Access backend, then added COM callable classlib contacting web service - after that I have got positive feedback from Alex and he blogged on our project and also Jim Lawrence referred northwind.codeplex.com from AccessAdvisors web site - as you can see just one feedback contact resulted in "some fluctuations" of our roadmap, which brought 500+ downloads... I do think that the most important task now is to get active feedback, which will make corrections to our roadmap and which will drive our development: the best tool we can use now is the "Word Of Mouth" to persuade developers who get our stuff downloaded to give us active *constructive* feedback (as Alex Dybenko did) for us to "convert this feedback" into even more interesting stuff to get downloaded by developers and used by them not only "to individually dig out into samples" but to have the stuff ready to be applied (with some rework/additional work) to their everyday (IT development) business tasks... As for tutoring our team C# development beginners - as I noted above doing that personally is very time consuming - the idea is to somehow make this personal tutoring/coaching publicly available (that public availability will bring even more feedback I expect), and we can do that by publishing short sample videos. But making such videos the way I did it by taking screenshots, then putting them into MS Movie Maker, then adding comments etc. is not looking as the right/professional way to do (and is time consuming) - I suppose that using Camtasia Studio (http://www.techsmith.com/camtasia.asp) would be more effective and would produce more useful videos. And we can make such videos as a team by sharing the tasks: one gets prepared scenarios, one gets video recorded, another one with native English makes voice recording, another one makes all kinds of video effects etc. But Camtasia Studio isn't free (USD299) - if it would be possible to get a shared license for our team (just for USD299?) I'd not mind to invest some money in purchasing it... What do you think about all the above? Please make your proposals how to activate feedback - please "brain-storm" this issue assuming we have unlimited resources - when analysing proposals we will sort out/put on hold proposals we can't work with now because of some limitations... Thank you. -- Shamil >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 09-05-2009 13:06 >>> Shamil / Gustav, do I need to go anything for you for this project at this point ? From robert at webedb.com Wed May 13 13:09:37 2009 From: robert at webedb.com (Robert Stewart) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:09:37 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200905131810.n4DIA7pV002070@databaseadvisors.com> Guys, I got in late on this project you are trying to do. I have downloaded the project. I have downloaded the Northwind database and attached it on SQL 2008. I have change the database connection in settings.settings to my SQL Server. I cannot get to the data. Is there something I am missing? I would like to get it running so I can give you feedback on it. Robert At 12:00 PM 5/13/2009, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:25:17 +0200 >From: "Gustav Brock" >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released >To: >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > >Hi Shamil > >Well, that download count is already at 600+, so I think you are >right - the description and purpose really makes a difference. >Actually, I'm convinced it has, as I often myself have felt lost >when studying a project at SourceForce or elsewhere with pages of >change logs but nearly nothing about what the project is for or why >I should download it not to say get involved. Very nerdy, and we all >are so busy so spending half an hour to find out what you could have >read in two minutes from a text is not going to happen. > >I have no formula to get the teamwork to operate more smoothly. Two >problems exist. First, the different level/experience of the >members; second, the lack of priority. >The first is natural with the diverse backgrounds and interests we >have. However, I don't think anyone expects special education >videos, only advice and links to relevant material. When you take >the time to make a video I'm impressed, as I wouldn't know where to >get the time to create such even though it could be fun. >The second as hard too, as most of us have a job for a living and >also - for some - even a life of some kind (even Drew who used to >burn his house down but I think he stopped that activity). Thus, >projects like this will be assigned second priority and this can >mean zero attention for days, even weeks. This could perhaps be met >by some members working together as one "member" hoping that at >least one is active. > >Of course, just a few more participants would help a lot, and >perhaps some discussion can attract some. Yes, that's you - the >reader - feel free to join! > >At this moment I've already learnt a lot - having seen the value of >subversion in action is alone worth all the trouble - and I would >love to experience the SCRUM process in full too - at this moment I >think we have had only a little more than the smell of it - just >enough to feel the potential. > >/gustav From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed May 13 14:10:34 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 23:10:34 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?U0NSVU06IE5vcnRod2luZC5ORVQgdi4xLjIgUmVsZWFz?= =?koi8-r?b?ZWQ=?= In-Reply-To: <200905131810.n4DIA7pV002070@databaseadvisors.com> References: <200905131810.n4DIA7pV002070@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Hi Robert, Please have a look at this entry: http://northwind.codeplex.com/SourceControl/changeset/view/11345#134202 If it will not help please write in more details what is happening on your PC? What error messages are you getting? Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stewart To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:09:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released > Guys, > > I got in late on this project you are trying to do. > I have downloaded the project. > I have downloaded the Northwind database and attached it on SQL 2008. > I have change the database connection in settings.settings to my SQL Server. > > I cannot get to the data. > Is there something I am missing? > > I would like to get it running so I can give you feedback on it. > > Robert > > At 12:00 PM 5/13/2009, you wrote: > >Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:25:17 +0200 > >From: "Gustav Brock" > >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released > >To: > >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > > >Hi Shamil > > > >Well, that download count is already at 600+, so I think you are > >right - the description and purpose really makes a difference. > >Actually, I'm convinced it has, as I often myself have felt lost > >when studying a project at SourceForce or elsewhere with pages of > >change logs but nearly nothing about what the project is for or why > >I should download it not to say get involved. Very nerdy, and we all > >are so busy so spending half an hour to find out what you could have > >read in two minutes from a text is not going to happen. > > > >I have no formula to get the teamwork to operate more smoothly. Two > >problems exist. First, the different level/experience of the > >members; second, the lack of priority. > >The first is natural with the diverse backgrounds and interests we > >have. However, I don't think anyone expects special education > >videos, only advice and links to relevant material. When you take > >the time to make a video I'm impressed, as I wouldn't know where to > >get the time to create such even though it could be fun. > >The second as hard too, as most of us have a job for a living and > >also - for some - even a life of some kind (even Drew who used to > >burn his house down but I think he stopped that activity). Thus, > >projects like this will be assigned second priority and this can > >mean zero attention for days, even weeks. This could perhaps be met > >by some members working together as one "member" hoping that at > >least one is active. > > > >Of course, just a few more participants would help a lot, and > >perhaps some discussion can attract some. Yes, that's you - the > >reader - feel free to join! > > > >At this moment I've already learnt a lot - having seen the value of > >subversion in action is alone worth all the trouble - and I would > >love to experience the SCRUM process in full too - at this moment I > >think we have had only a little more than the smell of it - just > >enough to feel the potential. > > > >/gustav > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From robert at webedb.com Thu May 14 15:36:15 2009 From: robert at webedb.com (Robert Stewart) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 15:36:15 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200905142036.n4EKamrk010250@databaseadvisors.com> Like a dummy, I found the database in the download. That was the problem. Feedback coming later. At 12:00 PM 5/14/2009, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 23:10:34 +0400 >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > issues." >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > > >Hi Robert, > >Please have a look at this entry: > >http://northwind.codeplex.com/SourceControl/changeset/view/11345#134202 > >If it will not help please write in more details what is happening >on your PC? What error messages are you getting? > >Thank you. > >-- >Shamil From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri May 15 05:35:05 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 14:35:05 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?U0NSVU06IE5vcnRod2luZC5ORVQgdi4xLjIgUmVsZWFz?= =?koi8-r?b?ZWQ=?= In-Reply-To: <200905142036.n4EKamrk010250@databaseadvisors.com> References: <200905142036.n4EKamrk010250@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Thank you, Robert. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stewart To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 15:36:15 -0500 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released > Like a dummy, I found the database in the download. That was the problem. > Feedback coming later. > > At 12:00 PM 5/14/2009, you wrote: > >Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 23:10:34 +0400 > >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil > >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM: Northwind.NET v.1.2 Released > >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > > issues." > >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > > > > > >Hi Robert, > > > >Please have a look at this entry: > > > >http://northwind.codeplex.com/SourceControl/changeset/view/11345#134202 > > > >If it will not help please write in more details what is happening > >on your PC? What error messages are you getting? > > > >Thank you. > > > >-- > >Shamil > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From marklbreen at gmail.com Sat May 16 04:33:55 2009 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 17:33:55 +0800 Subject: [dba-VB] free VS2005 / VS2008 add-in for Tortoise SVN Message-ID: Hello All, I downloaded and have been using for a few days a free openssource add-in named ANKH for Tortoise and SVN. It works perfectly, once you get the installation versions correct. There are Tortoise Versions 1.5.x and 1.6.x and you have to choose the matching version of ANKH. Once you do that, you get full SCCS included in VS2005. I have not yet tested VS2008 but they report that it works. HTH Mark From marklbreen at gmail.com Sat May 16 12:06:39 2009 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 01:06:39 +0800 Subject: [dba-VB] free VS2005 / VS2008 add-in for Tortoise SVN - SCRUM Message-ID: Hi all, justed updated the subject line here for those that have a filter for SCRUM. thanks Mark 2009/5/16 Mark Breen > Hello All, > > I downloaded and have been using for a few days a free openssource add-in > named ANKH for Tortoise and SVN. > > It works perfectly, once you get the installation versions correct. There > are Tortoise Versions 1.5.x and 1.6.x and you have to choose the matching > version of ANKH. > > Once you do that, you get full SCCS included in VS2005. I have not yet > tested VS2008 but they report that it works. > > HTH > > Mark > > > > > From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed May 20 13:09:26 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 14:09:26 -0400 Subject: [dba-VB] Column's not declared by column name Message-ID: I used VB Express 8.0 to retrieve a dataset from Northwind's Customers table. I dragged that onto a form to create a quick datagridview control. I wanted to disable the automatic column sorting for a specific column, so I added the following to the form's Load event: Me.DataGridViewTextBoxContactTitle.SortMode = DataGridViewColumnSortMode.NotSortable where ContactTitle is the column's name. It returned a Build error that the column wasn't a member of the form. Using Intellisense, I could see that it doesn't list the columns by name, but by number. I substitued ContactTitle with Column4, and it works just fine. I don't get it -- is there a setting that I need to flag differently or something? This goes against every guideline I know! Susan H. From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed May 20 13:55:42 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 14:55:42 -0400 Subject: [dba-VB] How to limit number of rows in datagridview control Message-ID: <38C545EDDC8843FDA34B0503888A4CE3@SusanOne> Using VB Express 8, I added the following to a form class with a datagridview control, expecting it to limit the number of rows displayed in the grid, so that the edit row is immediately visible. It doesn't return an error, but it doesn't seem to do anything at all either -- view is the same with or without this sub. Private Sub CustomersDataGridView_RowValidated(ByVal sender As Object, ByVal e As System.Windows.Forms.DataGridViewCellEventArgs) Handles CustomersDataGridView.RowValidated CustomersDataGridView.FirstDisplayedScrollingRowIndex = CustomersDataGridView.Rows.Count - 5 End Sub Susan H. From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu May 21 10:54:45 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 17:54:45 +0200 Subject: [dba-VB] Scrum FW: www.daptiv.com Message-ID: Hi Rocky Thanks! Looks though like a tool aimed at enterprises at a not published (= enterprise level) cost. /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 18-05-2009 23:55 >>> Dear Scrummers: I got a call from this guy last week. Thought the info might be of interest to you guys. HTH Rocky ________________________________ From: Richard Hawes [mailto:rhawes at daptiv.com] Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 2:46 PM To: info at bchacc.com Subject: www.daptiv.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu May 21 11:32:38 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 12:32:38 -0400 Subject: [dba-VB] SOLVED Fw: How to limit number of rows in datagridview control Message-ID: Okay, the statement didn't require a sub of its own. I dropped the statement into the existing sub that filled the tableadapter and it works just fine! Susan H. > Okay, after discussing this a bit with Charlotte, she says the problem is > the TableAdaptor -- the VB Configuration Wizard uses a TableAdapter to > populate the control. I'm researching this morning, but I can't seem to > find anything on editing the TableAdaptor to show only the last few > records and the edit row, instead of displaying all of the records. > > Any help? > > Susan H. > >> Using VB Express 8, I added the following to a form class with a >> datagridview control, expecting it to limit the number of rows displayed >> in the grid, so that the edit row is immediately visible. It doesn't >> return an error, but it doesn't seem to do anything at all either -- view >> is the same with or without this sub. >> >> Private Sub CustomersDataGridView_RowValidated(ByVal sender As Object, >> ByVal e As System.Windows.Forms.DataGridViewCellEventArgs) Handles >> CustomersDataGridView.RowValidated >> >> CustomersDataGridView.FirstDisplayedScrollingRowIndex = >> CustomersDataGridView.Rows.Count - 5 >> >> End Sub >> >> Susan H. >> > From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu May 21 10:34:38 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 11:34:38 -0400 Subject: [dba-VB] Fw: How to limit number of rows in datagridview control Message-ID: Okay, after discussing this a bit with Charlotte, she says the problem is the TableAdaptor -- the VB Configuration Wizard uses a TableAdapter to populate the control. I'm researching this morning, but I can't seem to find anything on editing the TableAdaptor to show only the last few records and the edit row, instead of displaying all of the records. Any help? Susan H. > Using VB Express 8, I added the following to a form class with a > datagridview control, expecting it to limit the number of rows displayed > in the grid, so that the edit row is immediately visible. It doesn't > return an error, but it doesn't seem to do anything at all either -- view > is the same with or without this sub. > > Private Sub CustomersDataGridView_RowValidated(ByVal sender As Object, > ByVal e As System.Windows.Forms.DataGridViewCellEventArgs) Handles > CustomersDataGridView.RowValidated > > CustomersDataGridView.FirstDisplayedScrollingRowIndex = > CustomersDataGridView.Rows.Count - 5 > > End Sub > > Susan H. > From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu May 21 12:02:57 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 19:02:57 +0200 Subject: [dba-VB] Fw: How to limit number of rows in datagridview control Message-ID: Hi Susan That's not the purpose of a DataTableAdapter. But you could achieve this by adjusting the SQL of the query in the adapter (right-click on it, pick Modify SQL). This is, however, what Shamil refers to as "custom in-line SQL" and warns against as it can be difficult to maintain. He has a point and recommends building a SP that produce the desired limited output and then create an adapter for that. I have used the modified SQL method a lot and have no problem with it, so this is a matter of preference, previous experience, how you define this - as belonging to the database or (as a business rule) to the application, and who is going to maintain the system in the future. As alway in .Net - many ways to skin the cat. /gustav >>> ssharkins at gmail.com 21-05-2009 17:34 >>> Okay, after discussing this a bit with Charlotte, she says the problem is the TableAdaptor -- the VB Configuration Wizard uses a TableAdapter to populate the control. I'm researching this morning, but I can't seem to find anything on editing the TableAdaptor to show only the last few records and the edit row, instead of displaying all of the records. Any help? Susan H. > Using VB Express 8, I added the following to a form class with a > datagridview control, expecting it to limit the number of rows displayed > in the grid, so that the edit row is immediately visible. It doesn't > return an error, but it doesn't seem to do anything at all either -- view > is the same with or without this sub. > > Private Sub CustomersDataGridView_RowValidated(ByVal sender As Object, > ByVal e As System.Windows.Forms.DataGridViewCellEventArgs) Handles > CustomersDataGridView.RowValidated > > CustomersDataGridView.FirstDisplayedScrollingRowIndex = > CustomersDataGridView.Rows.Count - 5 > > End Sub > > Susan H. From administrivia at databaseadvisors.com Sat May 23 14:03:33 2009 From: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com (administrivia at databaseadvisors.com) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 16:03:33 -0300 Subject: [dba-VB] Acai Diet will burn your unwanted fat. 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In a recent Harvard Business Review interview of Toyota's president, he observed, "...when 70 years of very small improvements accumulate, they become a revolution. http://www.infoq.com/presentations/born-to-cycle Thank you. --- Shamil From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue May 26 15:21:39 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 00:21:39 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?RllJOiBTQ1JVTS9BZ2lsZTogVGhlIEpveXMgYW5kIFBh?= =?koi8-r?b?aW5zIG9mIGEgTG9uZyBMaXZlZCBDb2RlYmFzZQ==?= Message-ID: Presented by Jeremy D. Miller on May 24, 2009 07:26 AM In this presentation recorded at QCon SF 2008, Jeremy D. Miller shares lessons learned while developing a project over 5 years. He talks about his mistakes, what to avoid and how to design, code and test better. http://www.infoq.com/presentations/Lessons-Learned-Jeremy-Miller --- Shamil From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed May 27 04:02:58 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:02:58 +0200 Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle Message-ID: Hi Shamil Thanks for these links. If someone get the idea that it was time for a little relax, you keep us busy! /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 26-05-2009 19:28 >>> Born To Cycle Agile development is not about doing a set of practices, it's about a way of "being," it's about learning. How is this learning accomplished? By taking brief pauses after small experiments, even large problems can be solved. In a recent Harvard Business Review interview of Toyota's president, he observed, "...when 70 years of very small improvements accumulate, they become a revolution. http://www.infoq.com/presentations/born-to-cycle Thank you. --- Shamil From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed May 27 10:59:56 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:59:56 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?RllJOiBTQ1JVTS9BZ2lsZSAtIEJvcm4gVG8gQ3ljbGU=?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav and all, Thank you for your joyful note, Gustav :) I posted the link on Linda Rising's presentation on QCon 2008 to point on an interesting fact/proven by many experiments investigation she is "cycling" through: I mean that to be productive one better work in 90 minutes long non-interrupting cycles, and then make a break for 20-30 minues switching on doing something very different. She is also noting that human's brain multi-tasking is unnatural activity and in long run it not only harms one's health but it also doesn't result in overall higher results/outputs achieved - in fact the opposite is true - the overall results/outputs are lower, the quality are lower also etc. ... And now getting back to NorthWind.NET :) As far as I see there is no that much activity here retrospecting this project. That's a pity as without retrospection making another project the same way would result in the same errors and incosistencies. Still I wanted to make some Northwind.NET follow-up projects but this time doing really teamwork with nearly equal share of workload and this time using 90 minutes long (daily) SPRINTs scientifically approved by Linda Rising's experiments :) I'd propose currently freeze doing WinForms development in Northwind.NET project as it nor did bring active discussions here nor did it result in many downloads from northwind.codeplex.com - I'd propose to make some "cool things" instead as WPF desktop Northwind.NET application development for starters using ordinary ADO.NET Datasets to communcate with backend or ADO.NET Entity Framework or I can make (mainly by generating) a custom ORM layer... I do not know is that a generally well known fact or not but doing WPF even a developer without graphic artist's skills can develop really high level (animated) visually attractive "cool" GUI with many "skins" which can be changed even on-the-fly etc. I'd go for that project in the case we can make a team here of max 7+/-2 developers but the team members have to commit they will spend 90min x3 = 4.5 hours/week: if they will commit but then in the very beginning of the project/in the middle it will happen they all quit or will not work commited time amount of 4.5 hours/week as it happened to Northwind.NET v.1.0 then I'd suspend such a project in a team waiting for the team to rearrange to have again full crew of 7+/-2 developers working and communicating actively... Another project if WPF is not that attractive/appealing could be ASP.NET with AJAX and MVC Framework but for ASP.NET we have to have a graphic artist in our team to make nice looking interface and also for ASP.NET we have to have a publicly avaible ASP.NET test hosting site - I currently have one but I cannot use its MS SQL databases (I have only two leased/rented) for public projects as they are used for my own/my customers' test projects and as extending the set of available MS SQL database is costly. There is also mySQL database on that site but I'm almost zero level with mySQL, and I'd avoid using it... I'm open for other proposals... All in all a WPF project looks here currently the most interesting opportunity as the end result could be really nice looking GUI so unusual(?) for MS Access interfaces/VB6 and VB.NET/C# Winfroms interfaces, and as WPF development knowledge should pay back well when one will have projects in the area of XBAP and SilverLight development - quite promising modern development areas. I personally have experience in developing one WPF project from scratch and another one legacy rather advanced I got for some fine tuning of its GUI - IOW we will not start from "blank list" here - I will be able to answer some questions. Although I must say I haven't not that much data binding in WPF - as far as I know it is not that advanced in VS2008 as WinForms binding is... I'd recommend books on WPF subject - "Windows Presentation Foundation Unleashed" by Adam Nathan and "WPF Recipes in C# 2008 (A Problem Solution Approach)" by Sam Noble at all. I'd also note that if we will make this new project we have to decide what to do with SVN: the issue is that to publish the sources from Mark's SVN Server to CodePlex one requires quite some manual error prone work - I have done that publishing several times - every time it took 2 or more hours - we can continue doing that manual publishing but then again we have to share that manual work by every team member: and that manual work looks rather high overhead - therefore before starting the new project we or should find a way to automate this publishing or switch to CodePlex SVN server, which is not so useful as Mark's one during parallel development of the same project as it (CodePlex SVN Server) doesn't allow to lock files etc. I could be missing something - please correct me if I'm wrong but for Northwind.NET I have spent more than 10 hours just to publish the code from Mark's server on Codeplex server: without file's locking feature we will have to be careful while working on the same code - communicating often just to not overwrite each other code editing (no we will not loose it but time to get it back/coordinate if one other's edits are overwritten could be rather time consuming per se) - and communication on technical tasks as "watching each other edits" could be also rather high overhead... As the last point of this message I'd give a refence on another interesting IMO information: http://www.infoq.com/articles/Grid-Azure-3-David-Pallmann "Grid Computing on the Azure Cloud Computing Platform, Part 3: Running a Grid Application" - this is a grid application written using WPF and C# and running on Azure cloud - we can do something like that in the future I guess although I'm not sure can such a test app be hosted./un for free or not... Thank you. -- Shamil From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed May 27 11:48:25 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:48:25 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?RllJOiBTQ1JVTS9BZ2lsZSAtIEJvcm4gVG8gQ3ljbGU=?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi All, ... Continuing the subject of 90 minutes SPRINTs 3 times a week for a new Northwind.Net project and where to find that time: - Linda Rising gives a real life example of a women-writer who did write a whole new book in 90 days using several 90 minutes "SPRINTs" per day - before that she tried to multi-task in small time chunks constantly switching between writing book(s), doing some other work, answering phone calls, reading/writings e-mails etc. - the end result was lower... - I recently started to walk everyday for approx. 90 minutes on a seaside of Finnish Gulf where I live (before I did get watched Linda Rising's presentation :) ) - did I have got some time limitation now for my development work or other things? Nope. I noted I'm spending now less time for reading/writing e-mails and for browsing Internet than before - and I have the same or more time for main work and experimenting/self-education when needed, and I'm getting more healthy/fit with every my walk on seaside :) I mean I suppose that finding time for three 90 minutes SPRINTs within a week is possible for everybody here if they really interested to do something real... together... there is such a good opportunity now... there is a proof for doubtful ones - running northwind.codeplex.com that - a proof/evidence that teamwork as we did it with all its inevitable errors and inconsistencies still could bring really useful and interesting for many people results.... Now is your time to decide - keep spending your time multi-tasking doing main work, browsing Internet, reading/wrting e-mails, hanging in newsgroups, watching TV, trying to do some self-education in the modern development areas... or to free some time to make "cool" real life reseach&development things together working just(?) 90 minutes three times a week but in focused not-interrupting mode - the latter is not "must have" requirement but why not try to do it like that just once for the next small WPF project? Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: Salakhetdinov Shamil To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:59:56 +0400 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle > Hi Gustav and all, > > Thank you for your joyful note, Gustav :) > > I posted the link on Linda Rising's presentation on QCon 2008 to point on an interesting fact/proven by many experiments investigation she is "cycling" through: I mean that to be productive one better work in 90 minutes long non-interrupting cycles, and then make a break for 20-30 minues switching on doing something very different. She is also noting that human's brain multi-tasking is unnatural activity and in long run it not only harms one's health but it also doesn't result in overall higher results/outputs achieved - in fact the opposite is true - the overall results/outputs are lower, the quality are lower also etc. ... > > And now getting back to NorthWind.NET :) > > As far as I see there is no that much activity here retrospecting this project. That's a pity as without retrospection making another project the same way would result in the same errors and incosistencies. > > Still I wanted to make some Northwind.NET follow-up projects but this time doing really teamwork with nearly equal share of workload and this time using 90 minutes long (daily) SPRINTs scientifically approved by Linda Rising's experiments :) > > I'd propose currently freeze doing WinForms development in Northwind.NET project as it nor did bring active discussions here nor did it result in many downloads from northwind.codeplex.com - I'd propose to make some "cool things" instead as WPF desktop Northwind.NET application development for starters using ordinary ADO.NET Datasets to communcate with backend or ADO.NET Entity Framework or I can make (mainly by generating) a custom ORM layer... > > I do not know is that a generally well known fact or not but doing WPF even a developer without graphic artist's skills can develop really high level (animated) visually attractive "cool" GUI with many "skins" which can be changed even on-the-fly etc. > > I'd go for that project in the case we can make a team here of max 7+/-2 developers but the team members have to commit they will spend 90min x3 = 4.5 hours/week: if they will commit but then in the very beginning of the project/in the middle it will happen they all quit or will not work commited time amount of 4.5 hours/week as it happened to Northwind.NET v.1.0 then I'd suspend such a project in a team waiting for the team to rearrange to have again full crew of 7+/-2 developers working and communicating actively... > > Another project if WPF is not that attractive/appealing could be ASP.NET with AJAX and MVC Framework but for ASP.NET we have to have a graphic artist in our team to make nice looking interface and also for ASP.NET we have to have a publicly avaible ASP.NET test hosting site - I currently have one but I cannot use its MS SQL databases (I have only two leased/rented) for public projects as they are used for my own/my customers' test projects and as extending the set of available MS SQL database is costly. There is also mySQL database on that site but I'm almost zero level with mySQL, and I'd avoid using it... > > I'm open for other proposals... > > All in all a WPF project looks here currently the most interesting opportunity as the end result could be really nice looking GUI so unusual(?) for MS Access interfaces/VB6 and VB.NET/C# Winfroms interfaces, and as WPF development knowledge should pay back well when one will have projects in the area of XBAP and SilverLight development - quite promising modern development areas. > > I personally have experience in developing one WPF project from scratch and another one legacy rather advanced I got for some fine tuning of its GUI - IOW we will not start from "blank list" here - I will be able to answer some questions. Although I must say I haven't not that much data binding in WPF - as far as I know it is not that advanced in VS2008 as WinForms binding is... > > I'd recommend books on WPF subject - "Windows Presentation Foundation Unleashed" by Adam Nathan and "WPF Recipes in C# 2008 (A Problem Solution Approach)" by Sam Noble at all. > > I'd also note that if we will make this new project we have to decide what to do with SVN: the issue is that to publish the sources from Mark's SVN Server to CodePlex one requires quite some manual error prone work - I have done that publishing several times - every time it took 2 or more hours - we can continue doing that manual publishing but then again we have to share that manual work by every team member: and that manual work looks rather high overhead - therefore before starting the new project we or should find a way to automate this publishing or switch to CodePlex SVN server, which is not so useful as Mark's one during parallel development of the same project as it (CodePlex SVN Server) doesn't allow to lock files etc. I could be missing something - please correct me if I'm wrong but for Northwind.NET I have spent more than 10 hours just to publish the code from Mark's server on Codeplex server: without file's locking feature we will have to be careful while working! > on the same code - communicating often just to not overwrite each other code editing (no we will not loose it but time to get it back/coordinate if one other's edits are overwritten could be rather time consuming per se) - and communication on technical tasks as "watching each other edits" could be also rather high overhead... > > As the last point of this message I'd give a refence on another interesting IMO information: > > http://www.infoq.com/articles/Grid-Azure-3-David-Pallmann > > "Grid Computing on the Azure Cloud Computing Platform, Part 3: Running a Grid Application" - this is a grid application written using WPF and C# and running on Azure cloud - we can do something like that in the future I guess although I'm not sure can such a test app be hosted./un for free or not... > > Thank you. > > -- > Shamil > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed May 27 12:20:11 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:20:11 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?RllJOiBTQ1JVTS9BZ2lsZSAtIEJvcm4gVG8gQ3ljbGU=?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi All, Continuing the subject of Northwing.NET WPF project here are some "cool" samples you'll be able to use to "charge" your imagination to develop your own WPF user-friendly intuitive GUIs real soon - after we will make together one small Northwind.NET.WPF project :) Beatriz Costa's Solar System listbox styling using WPF http://www.beacosta.com/blog/?p=40 Almost no coding just XAML template - and a text list of Solar System planets is presented as "cool" looking graphics... A WPF Pie Chart with Data Binding Support http://www.codeproject.com/KB/WPF/PieChartDataBinding.aspx Fun With Physics http://www.codeproject.com/KB/WPF/PhysicsFun.aspx ... Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: Salakhetdinov Shamil To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:48:25 +0400 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle > Hi All, > > ... Continuing the subject of 90 minutes SPRINTs 3 times a week for a new Northwind.Net project and where to find that time: > > - Linda Rising gives a real life example of a women-writer who did write a whole new book in 90 days using several 90 minutes "SPRINTs" per day - before that she tried to multi-task in small time chunks constantly switching between writing book(s), doing some other work, answering phone calls, reading/writings e-mails etc. - the end result was lower... > > - I recently started to walk everyday for approx. 90 minutes on a seaside of Finnish Gulf where I live (before I did get watched Linda Rising's presentation :) ) - did I have got some time limitation now for my development work or other things? Nope. I noted I'm spending now less time for reading/writing e-mails and for browsing Internet than before - and I have the same or more time for main work and experimenting/self-education when needed, and I'm getting more healthy/fit with every my walk on seaside :) > > I mean I suppose that finding time for three 90 minutes SPRINTs within a week is possible for everybody here if they really interested to do something real... together... there is such a good opportunity now... there is a proof for doubtful ones - running northwind.codeplex.com that - a proof/evidence that teamwork as we did it with all its inevitable errors and inconsistencies still could bring really useful and interesting for many people results.... > > Now is your time to decide - keep spending your time multi-tasking doing main work, browsing Internet, reading/wrting e-mails, hanging in newsgroups, watching TV, trying to do some self-education in the modern development areas... or to free some time to make "cool" real life reseach&development things together working just(?) 90 minutes three times a week but in focused not-interrupting mode - the latter is not "must have" requirement but why not try to do it like that just once for the next small WPF project? > > Thank you. > > -- > Shamil > > -----Original Message----- > From: Salakhetdinov Shamil > To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." > Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:59:56 +0400 > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] > FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle > > > Hi Gustav and all, > > > > Thank you for your joyful note, Gustav :) > > > > I posted the link on Linda Rising's presentation on QCon 2008 to point on an interesting fact/proven by many experiments investigation she is "cycling" through: I mean that to be productive one better work in 90 minutes long non-interrupting cycles, and then make a break for 20-30 minues switching on doing something very different. She is also noting that human's brain multi-tasking is unnatural activity and in long run it not only harms one's health but it also doesn't result in overall higher results/outputs achieved - in fact the opposite is true - the overall results/outputs are lower, the quality are lower also etc. ... > > > > And now getting back to NorthWind.NET :) > > > > As far as I see there is no that much activity here retrospecting this project. That's a pity as without retrospection making another project the same way would result in the same errors and incosistencies. > > > > Still I wanted to make some Northwind.NET follow-up projects but this time doing really teamwork with nearly equal share of workload and this time using 90 minutes long (daily) SPRINTs scientifically approved by Linda Rising's experiments :) > > > > I'd propose currently freeze doing WinForms development in Northwind.NET project as it nor did bring active discussions here nor did it result in many downloads from northwind.codeplex.com - I'd propose to make some "cool things" instead as WPF desktop Northwind.NET application development for starters using ordinary ADO.NET Datasets to communcate with backend or ADO.NET Entity Framework or I can make (mainly by generating) a custom ORM layer... > > > > I do not know is that a generally well known fact or not but doing WPF even a developer without graphic artist's skills can develop really high level (animated) visually attractive "cool" GUI with many "skins" which can be changed even on-the-fly etc. > > > > I'd go for that project in the case we can make a team here of max 7+/-2 developers but the team members have to commit they will spend 90min x3 = 4.5 hours/week: if they will commit but then in the very beginning of the project/in the middle it will happen they all quit or will not work commited time amount of 4.5 hours/week as it happened to Northwind.NET v.1.0 then I'd suspend such a project in a team waiting for the team to rearrange to have again full crew of 7+/-2 developers working and communicating actively... > > > > Another project if WPF is not that attractive/appealing could be ASP.NET with AJAX and MVC Framework but for ASP.NET we have to have a graphic artist in our team to make nice looking interface and also for ASP.NET we have to have a publicly avaible ASP.NET test hosting site - I currently have one but I cannot use its MS SQL databases (I have only two leased/rented) for public projects as they are used for my own/my customers' test projects and as extending the set of available MS SQL database is costly. There is also mySQL database on that site but I'm almost zero level with mySQL, and I'd avoid using it... > > > > I'm open for other proposals... > > > > All in all a WPF project looks here currently the most interesting opportunity as the end result could be really nice looking GUI so unusual(?) for MS Access interfaces/VB6 and VB.NET/C# Winfroms interfaces, and as WPF development knowledge should pay back well when one will have projects in the area of XBAP and SilverLight development - quite promising modern development areas. > > > > I personally have experience in developing one WPF project from scratch and another one legacy rather advanced I got for some fine tuning of its GUI - IOW we will not start from "blank list" here - I will be able to answer some questions. Although I must say I haven't not that much data binding in WPF - as far as I know it is not that advanced in VS2008 as WinForms binding is... > > > > I'd recommend books on WPF subject - "Windows Presentation Foundation Unleashed" by Adam Nathan and "WPF Recipes in C# 2008 (A Problem Solution Approach)" by Sam Noble at all. > > > > I'd also note that if we will make this new project we have to decide what to do with SVN: the issue is that to publish the sources from Mark's SVN Server to CodePlex one requires quite some manual error prone work - I have done that publishing several times - every time it took 2 or more hours - we can continue doing that manual publishing but then again we have to share that manual work by every team member: and that manual work looks rather high overhead - therefore before starting the new project we or should find a way to automate this publishing or switch to CodePlex SVN server, which is not so useful as Mark's one during parallel development of the same project as it (CodePlex SVN Server) doesn't allow to lock files etc. I could be missing something - please correct me if I'm wrong but for Northwind.NET I have spent more than 10 hours just to publish the code from Mark's server on Codeplex server: without file's locking feature we will have to be careful while worki! > ng! > > on the same code - communicating often just to not overwrite each other code editing (no we will not loose it but time to get it back/coordinate if one other's edits are overwritten could be rather time consuming per se) - and communication on technical tasks as "watching each other edits" could be also rather high overhead... > > > > As the last point of this message I'd give a refence on another interesting IMO information: > > > > http://www.infoq.com/articles/Grid-Azure-3-David-Pallmann > > > > "Grid Computing on the Azure Cloud Computing Platform, Part 3: Running a Grid Application" - this is a grid application written using WPF and C# and running on Azure cloud - we can do something like that in the future I guess although I'm not sure can such a test app be hosted./un for free or not... > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- > > Shamil > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed May 27 16:44:36 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:44:36 -0400 Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <29f585dd0905271444m591364dcw13181619ee38b11b@mail.gmail.com> Hi Shamil, I have recently decided to retire from the profession of programming and instead live on my meager pension and become a hobbyist. As a result, I now have a lot more time available than previously, when I was either working or beating the bushes for work. It may happen that now and then I take a short-term contract, but I am no longer looking for gigs. They will have to look for me :) If the mountain will not come to Mohammed, etc. It feels quite liberating to declare myself retired. It means that I can unsubscribe from various lists that I was reading in an attempt to stay abreast. It also means there are no deadlines. Of course, there are prices to pay, but on the other hand I have no family, no mortgage and no car, so it's possible that I can live on the pittance that my pension pays. There won't be any vacations in Europe any more, but I can accept that. And on the up-side, I have several novels to plough through, and the library is a short walk away. I am not throwing in the towel as a programmer. Call it, if you wish, a sabbatical. I'm making enough time available to play with this project and a couple of others, all guaranteed to make no money, but all guaranteed to keep my brain stimulated. In short, although my participation in Round One was minimal, I now have the time to become more involved in Round Two. Arthur From mcp2004 at mail.ru Wed May 27 19:28:50 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 04:28:50 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?RllJOiBTQ1JVTS9BZ2lsZSAtIEJvcm4gVG8gQ3ljbGU=?= In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0905271444m591364dcw13181619ee38b11b@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0905271444m591364dcw13181619ee38b11b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Arthur, Thank you. Let's try to do some WPF search&development while waiting for the team to gather? I think we can make one form XBAP sample applications - XBAP applications could be like that: http://shamils-4.hosting.parking.ru/xbap/Postcard3d.xbap or very simple like that http://shamils-4.hosting.parking.ru/xaml/WpfBrowserApplication1.xbap and they can be published on any Internet server as they do not need server side dedicated process because they are downloaded and executed on client side in browser's "sand-box" - XBAP applications can run in IE7, IE8 and in FireFox 3.x. AFAIK. Of course the XBAP applications do require .NET Framework installed on client side. Let's try to make for starters a simple Shippers form running as XBAP application. This form will not talk to the backend database - it will use hardcoded data: let's concentrate on this stage on learning how WPF controls can be placed and styled on a WPF page/window/form. For the next 90 minutes long SPRINT here the task is to make such a simple XBAP application. Arthur, for you I'd propose to look for WPF sources to learn - here is one good link on WPF videos: http://windowsclient.net/learn/videos_wpf.aspx Let's set deadline for the Shippers form to appear as an XBAP application for the next Monday - 1st of June 2009 - by that time I expect you'll get some WPF knowledge/experience and maybe some more developers will join us for us to plan the next steps together - OK? Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller To: Salakhetdinov Shamil , "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:44:36 -0400 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle > Hi Shamil, > > I have recently decided to retire from the profession of programming and > instead live on my meager pension and become a hobbyist. As a result, I now > have a lot more time available than previously, when I was either working or > beating the bushes for work. It may happen that now and then I take a > short-term contract, but I am no longer looking for gigs. They will have to > look for me :) If the mountain will not come to Mohammed, etc. > > It feels quite liberating to declare myself retired. It means that I can > unsubscribe from various lists that I was reading in an attempt to stay > abreast. It also means there are no deadlines. Of course, there are prices > to pay, but on the other hand I have no family, no mortgage and no car, so > it's possible that I can live on the pittance that my pension pays. There > won't be any vacations in Europe any more, but I can accept that. And on the > up-side, I have several novels to plough through, and the library is a short > walk away. > > I am not throwing in the towel as a programmer. Call it, if you wish, a > sabbatical. I'm making enough time available to play with this project and a > couple of others, all guaranteed to make no money, but all guaranteed to > keep my brain stimulated. > > In short, although my participation in Round One was minimal, I now have the > time to become more involved in Round Two. > > Arthur > > From mmattys at rochester.rr.com Wed May 27 20:42:29 2009 From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:42:29 -0400 Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle References: <29f585dd0905271444m591364dcw13181619ee38b11b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9650728EA4224712A247DC07CA22B5DB@Mattys> Great! windowsclient.net - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Arthur Fuller" Cc: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [dba-VB]FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle > Hi Arthur, > > Thank you. > > Let's try to do some WPF search&development while waiting for the team to > gather? > > I think we can make one form XBAP sample applications - XBAP applications > could be like that: > > http://shamils-4.hosting.parking.ru/xbap/Postcard3d.xbap > > or very simple like that > > http://shamils-4.hosting.parking.ru/xaml/WpfBrowserApplication1.xbap > > and they can be published on any Internet server as they do not need > server side dedicated process because they are downloaded and executed on > client side in browser's "sand-box" - XBAP applications can run in IE7, > IE8 and in FireFox 3.x. AFAIK. Of course the XBAP applications do require > .NET Framework installed on client side. > > Let's try to make for starters a simple Shippers form running as XBAP > application. This form will not talk to the backend database - it will use > hardcoded data: let's concentrate on this stage on learning how WPF > controls can be placed and styled on a WPF page/window/form. > > For the next 90 minutes long SPRINT here the task is to make such a simple > XBAP application. > Arthur, for you I'd propose to look for WPF sources to learn - here is one > good link on WPF videos: > > http://windowsclient.net/learn/videos_wpf.aspx > > Let's set deadline for the Shippers form to appear as an XBAP application > for the next Monday - 1st of June 2009 - by that time I expect you'll get > some WPF knowledge/experience and maybe some more developers will join us > for us to plan the next steps together - OK? > > Thank you. > > -- > Shamil > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Arthur Fuller > To: Salakhetdinov Shamil , "Discussion concerning Visual > Basic and related programming issues." > Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:44:36 -0400 > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle > >> Hi Shamil, >> >> I have recently decided to retire from the profession of programming and >> instead live on my meager pension and become a hobbyist. As a result, I >> now >> have a lot more time available than previously, when I was either working >> or >> beating the bushes for work. It may happen that now and then I take a >> short-term contract, but I am no longer looking for gigs. They will have >> to >> look for me :) If the mountain will not come to Mohammed, etc. >> >> It feels quite liberating to declare myself retired. It means that I can >> unsubscribe from various lists that I was reading in an attempt to stay >> abreast. It also means there are no deadlines. Of course, there are >> prices >> to pay, but on the other hand I have no family, no mortgage and no car, >> so >> it's possible that I can live on the pittance that my pension pays. There >> won't be any vacations in Europe any more, but I can accept that. And on >> the >> up-side, I have several novels to plough through, and the library is a >> short >> walk away. >> >> I am not throwing in the towel as a programmer. Call it, if you wish, a >> sabbatical. I'm making enough time available to play with this project >> and a >> couple of others, all guaranteed to make no money, but all guaranteed to >> keep my brain stimulated. >> >> In short, although my participation in Round One was minimal, I now have >> the >> time to become more involved in Round Two. >> >> Arthur >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed May 27 21:33:16 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:33:16 -0700 Subject: [dba-VB] FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0905271444m591364dcw13181619ee38b11b@mail.gmail.com> References: <29f585dd0905271444m591364dcw13181619ee38b11b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <60206B2617E6411EB904E634B2CBF5E2@creativesystemdesigns.com> I declared myself retired 4 years ago and now my hobbies are nearly full-time jobs... You not out yet Arthur. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 2:45 PM To: Salakhetdinov Shamil; Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] FYI: SCRUM/Agile - Born To Cycle Hi Shamil, I have recently decided to retire from the profession of programming and instead live on my meager pension and become a hobbyist. As a result, I now have a lot more time available than previously, when I was either working or beating the bushes for work. It may happen that now and then I take a short-term contract, but I am no longer looking for gigs. They will have to look for me :) If the mountain will not come to Mohammed, etc. It feels quite liberating to declare myself retired. It means that I can unsubscribe from various lists that I was reading in an attempt to stay abreast. It also means there are no deadlines. Of course, there are prices to pay, but on the other hand I have no family, no mortgage and no car, so it's possible that I can live on the pittance that my pension pays. There won't be any vacations in Europe any more, but I can accept that. And on the up-side, I have several novels to plough through, and the library is a short walk away. I am not throwing in the towel as a programmer. Call it, if you wish, a sabbatical. I'm making enough time available to play with this project and a couple of others, all guaranteed to make no money, but all guaranteed to keep my brain stimulated. In short, although my participation in Round One was minimal, I now have the time to become more involved in Round Two. Arthur _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu May 28 03:14:29 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:14:29 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes (Step1) Message-ID: Hi All, Let's start WPF buttons styling exercizes - here is a web page, which should display three stacked buttons when loaded into IE 7/8 or FireFox 3.x on MS Windows Vista, and I guess on latest Windows XP SP3(?) - but I haven't tested that latter: http://shamils-4.hosting.parking.ru/wpf/SpecialButtonStyle1.xaml The following is the above web page's xaml - it is given just for starters to define/test what are the target platforms for which this exersize can be tested online - the next samples will augment this .xaml page with styling. I should note that AFAIK the usage of .xaml pages' styling that way online is rather limited because this page/application is running in sandbox, which makes many WPF/XAML features unavailable because of secutiry reasons. For example will not work on this page (I don't know yet/I guess that activation on for this page can be done by using accompanying manifest file - anybody to approve/disapprove?) Anyway we should be able to make visually attractive buttons even in this limited sandbox context: when done those styles can be reused in WPF, XBAP and SilverLight applications. Let's start: -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stewart To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 07:33:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > Rendering xaml files requires Framework 3.5 SP1 on the client machine. > > You have to enable full trust in the security settings of the application. > > I have not used the pages I have used the windows. > > You create an instance of the window and show it. > > At 03:58 AM 5/30/2009, you wrote: > >Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 01:48:12 +0400 > >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil > >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Fw: Re: SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > > (StepN) > >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > > issues." > >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > > > >Hi Gustav, > > > >I have created this code by hand - I have no Expression Design 2 here. > > > >I'd guess Chrome, Safari and Opera will start support .xaml files > >rendering soon as recently FireFox 3.x have done: AFAIU rendering > >.xaml files is done by using something like ActiveX control - do you > >know which one? > > > >BTW, what I do not know but (I'd hope that it should work) is how to > >use code behind with such .xaml pages? If create e.g. > > > >http://shamils-4.hosting.parking.ru/wpf/SpecialButtonStyleX.xaml.cs > > > >processing button click event then it will not run - it will be > >blocked because of security reasons - there should be possible I > >guess/hope to accompany such .xaml.cs files with special manifest > >files to have code behind enabled? > > > >Just wondering - if loading .xaml pages with code behind would be > >possible and also if it would be possible to have entry .xaml pages > >to call other ones located on server then that would be a way to > >make light .xaml (not XBAP) applications with .xaml pages loaded > >from server, compiled and run in demand... > > > >Thank you. > > > >-- > >Shamil > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun May 31 06:24:09 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 15:24:09 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?U0NSVU0vV1BGIC0gQnV0dG9ucyBTdHlsaW5nIEV4ZXJj?= =?koi8-r?b?aXplcw==?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi All, Have a look I have occasionally found a sample application/demo with advanced WPF controls from Syncfusion: http://samples.syncfusion.com/wpf/demosvol2/Gaugewpf/samplebrowser.xbap It's rather large - -12MB and takes some time to start with but the good news it gets cached, and the next time you type the above URL in your browser the app starts almost instantly - ~2 seconds on 3MHz Dual Core Pentiun. Just wanted to demonstrate/confirm that .xbap applications are getting cached locally, and to note that there is not that a big difference between developing WPF desktop application or WPF XBAP application - in fact one can even try to develop both of them in one project or start with, say, WFP desktop application and then add XBAP application which will use the same custom components: I assume that those WPF desktop and XBAP applications will use web services or SQL connection strings to talk to a backend but some companies avoid doing the latter because of the risk of SQL Servers being hacked... Thank you. -- Shamil From robert at webedb.com Sun May 31 09:46:51 2009 From: robert at webedb.com (Robert Stewart) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:46:51 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200905311447.n4VElRtW015938@databaseadvisors.com> At the TechFest here locally, Houston, TX, they did say that there is active work going on to make a version of Silverlight that will run on a Mac and on Linux. Moonlight is the one for the Mac. I don't remember the one for Linux. I do not think that the same can be said for the entire framework. At 12:00 PM 5/30/2009, you wrote: >Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 19:48:29 +0400 >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > issues." >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > >Hi Robert, > >Thank you for your reply. > >I thought that using special manifest files one can define something >like a sand-box environment without setting full trust priviledges >for the source .xaml files with code behinn or inline code, the >latter could be like that: > >xmlns:x="http://schemas.microsoft.com/winfx/2006/xaml"> > >void button_Click(object sender, RoutedEventArgs e) >{ >MessageBox.Show("OK"); >} >]]> > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun May 31 10:47:13 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 19:47:13 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?U0NSVU0vV1BGIC0gQnV0dG9ucyBTdHlsaW5nIEV4ZXJj?= =?koi8-r?b?aXplcw==?= In-Reply-To: <200905311447.n4VElRtW015938@databaseadvisors.com> References: <200905311447.n4VElRtW015938@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Hi Robert, Thank you for your reply. And "transition" from WPF desktop applications or XBAP applications to SilverLight ones should be rather natural I expect (with some "preventive" measures taken to organize back-end communication). But I must say I haven't yet program any SilverLight apps. I'm looking at VS2008 SP1 Prof. now and I do not see SilverLight projects available - should I install special SilverLight SDK? Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stewart To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:46:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > At the TechFest here locally, Houston, TX, they did say that there is active > work going on to make a version of Silverlight that will run on a Mac and > on Linux. Moonlight is the one for the Mac. I don't remember the one for > Linux. I do not think that the same can be said for the entire framework. > > At 12:00 PM 5/30/2009, you wrote: > >Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 19:48:29 +0400 > >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil > >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > > issues." > >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > > > >Hi Robert, > > > >Thank you for your reply. > > > >I thought that using special manifest files one can define something > >like a sand-box environment without setting full trust priviledges > >for the source .xaml files with code behinn or inline code, the > >latter could be like that: > > > > >xmlns:x="http://schemas.microsoft.com/winfx/2006/xaml"> > > > > >void button_Click(object sender, RoutedEventArgs e) > >{ > >MessageBox.Show("OK"); > >} > >]]> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Gustav at cactus.dk Sun May 31 12:44:07 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 19:44:07 +0200 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes Message-ID: Hi Shamil Yes, you will need the Microsoft Silverlight 2 Software Development Kit. Here is a full list of the recommended prerequisites: http://silverlight.net/GetStarted/ Silverlight 2 runtime is available for Windows and Mac. For Linux it is the Mono Moonlight project (under development): http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 31-05-2009 17:47 >>> Hi Robert, Thank you for your reply. And "transition" from WPF desktop applications or XBAP applications to SilverLight ones should be rather natural I expect (with some "preventive" measures taken to organize back-end communication). But I must say I haven't yet program any SilverLight apps. I'm looking at VS2008 SP1 Prof. now and I do not see SilverLight projects available - should I install special SilverLight SDK? Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stewart To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:46:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > At the TechFest here locally, Houston, TX, they did say that there is active > work going on to make a version of Silverlight that will run on a Mac and > on Linux. Moonlight is the one for the Mac. I don't remember the one for > Linux. I do not think that the same can be said for the entire framework. > > At 12:00 PM 5/30/2009, you wrote: > >Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 19:48:29 +0400 > >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil > >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > > issues." > >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > > > >Hi Robert, > > > >Thank you for your reply. > > > >I thought that using special manifest files one can define something > >like a sand-box environment without setting full trust priviledges > >for the source .xaml files with code behinn or inline code, the > >latter could be like that: > > > > >xmlns:x="http://schemas.microsoft.com/winfx/2006/xaml"> > > > > >void button_Click(object sender, RoutedEventArgs e) > >{ > >MessageBox.Show("OK"); > >} > >]]> > > From robert at webedb.com Sun May 31 12:56:07 2009 From: robert at webedb.com (Robert Stewart) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 12:56:07 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200905311756.n4VHueUT006687@databaseadvisors.com> I will be starting to work on a Silverlight application at the end of June. I am currently working on converting an Access application into WPF using the entity framework. I just created a VM with WIndows 7 RC and VS 2010 Beta 1. I will be using them to do some presentations at the user group that I teach. Database and GUI Design. There are currently 3 of us working in WPF. One is developing a pipe yard inventory and shipping application in WPF. The other has developed oil well information programs in WPF and is working another one now. I am working a an application that manages social service agencies that supply people with food, clothes, and other services. At 12:00 PM 5/31/2009, you wrote: >Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 19:47:13 +0400 >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > issues." >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > >Hi Robert, > >Thank you for your reply. > >And "transition" from WPF desktop applications or XBAP applications >to SilverLight ones should be rather natural I expect (with some >"preventive" measures taken to organize back-end communication). > >But I must say I haven't yet program any SilverLight apps. > >I'm looking at VS2008 SP1 Prof. now and I do not see SilverLight >projects available - should I install special SilverLight SDK? > >Thank you. > >-- >Shamil From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun May 31 13:19:14 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:19:14 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?U0NSVU0vV1BGIC0gQnV0dG9ucyBTdHlsaW5nIEV4ZXJj?= =?koi8-r?b?aXplcw==?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav, Thank you for the links. I'd definitely plan to R&D SilverLight development after WPF & XBAP. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 19:44:07 +0200 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > Hi Shamil > > Yes, you will need the Microsoft Silverlight 2 Software Development Kit. > Here is a full list of the recommended prerequisites: > > http://silverlight.net/GetStarted/ > > Silverlight 2 runtime is available for Windows and Mac. > For Linux it is the Mono Moonlight project (under development): > > http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight > > /gustav > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 31-05-2009 17:47 >>> > Hi Robert, > > Thank you for your reply. > > And "transition" from WPF desktop applications or XBAP applications to SilverLight ones should be rather natural I expect (with some "preventive" measures taken to organize back-end communication). > > But I must say I haven't yet program any SilverLight apps. > > I'm looking at VS2008 SP1 Prof. now and I do not see SilverLight projects available - should I install special SilverLight SDK? > > Thank you. > > -- > Shamil > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Stewart > To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:46:51 -0500 > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > > > At the TechFest here locally, Houston, TX, they did say that there is active > > work going on to make a version of Silverlight that will run on a Mac and > > on Linux. Moonlight is the one for the Mac. I don't remember the one for > > Linux. I do not think that the same can be said for the entire framework. > > > > At 12:00 PM 5/30/2009, you wrote: > > >Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 19:48:29 +0400 > > >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil > > >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > > >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > > > issues." > > >Message-ID: > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > > > > > >Hi Robert, > > > > > >Thank you for your reply. > > > > > >I thought that using special manifest files one can define something > > >like a sand-box environment without setting full trust priviledges > > >for the source .xaml files with code behinn or inline code, the > > >latter could be like that: > > > > > > > >xmlns:x="http://schemas.microsoft.com/winfx/2006/xaml"> > > > > > > > >void button_Click(object sender, RoutedEventArgs e) > > >{ > > >MessageBox.Show("OK"); > > >} > > >]]> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun May 31 13:32:50 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:32:50 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?U0NSVU0vV1BGIC0gQnV0dG9ucyBTdHlsaW5nIEV4ZXJj?= =?koi8-r?b?aXplcw==?= In-Reply-To: <200905311756.n4VHueUT006687@databaseadvisors.com> References: <200905311756.n4VHueUT006687@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Hi Robert, Well, you're "travelling" the same roadmap our Northwind.net is supposed to travel in the coming months AFAIE - why not join our team to do some R&D together? :) What can you tell us from your experience with WPF and SilverLight - do they use the same (but limityed) set of controls or at least the same XAML constructs, which maybe are rendered using different SilverLight specific controls? I have found a SilverLight a set of SilverLight tutorials here http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/pages/silverlight-tutorial-part-1-creating-quot-hello-world-quot-with-silverlight-2-and-vs-2008.aspx but I cannot yet tyr them as I haven't got yet installed SilverLight SDK. Thank you. -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stewart To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 12:56:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > I will be starting to work on a Silverlight application at the end of June. > I am currently working on converting an Access application into WPF > using the entity framework. > > I just created a VM with WIndows 7 RC and VS 2010 Beta 1. I will > be using them to do some presentations at the user group that I teach. > Database and GUI Design. > > There are currently 3 of us working in WPF. One is developing a pipe > yard inventory and shipping application in WPF. The other has developed > oil well information programs in WPF and is working another one now. > I am working a an application that manages social service agencies > that supply people with food, clothes, and other services. > > > At 12:00 PM 5/31/2009, you wrote: > >Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 19:47:13 +0400 > >From: Salakhetdinov Shamil > >Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > >To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming > > issues." > >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > > > >Hi Robert, > > > >Thank you for your reply. > > > >And "transition" from WPF desktop applications or XBAP applications > >to SilverLight ones should be rather natural I expect (with some > >"preventive" measures taken to organize back-end communication). > > > >But I must say I haven't yet program any SilverLight apps. > > > >I'm looking at VS2008 SP1 Prof. now and I do not see SilverLight > >projects available - should I install special SilverLight SDK? > > > >Thank you. > > > >-- > >Shamil > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun May 31 17:25:41 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (Salakhetdinov Shamil) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 02:25:41 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?koi8-r?b?U0NSVU0vV1BGIC0gQnV0dG9ucyBTdHlsaW5nIEV4ZXJj?= =?koi8-r?b?aXplcw==?= In-Reply-To: <200905311756.n4VHueUT006687@databaseadvisors.com> References: <200905311756.n4VHueUT006687@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: Hi Robert at All, I have made sample SilverLight application and I have got it installed (by XCOPY) here: http://shamils-4.hosting.parking.ru/sl It works well when running locally in debug mode under VS2008 SP1 but it does not show anything in SilverLight when running from the above link. What could be wrong? Thank you. -- Shamil P.S. Here is the main code of the above sample application: http://shamils-4.hosting.parking.ru/sl Page1.xaml ======== User Name: Password: Page1.xaml.cs ========== using System; using System.Collections.Generic; using System.Linq; using System.Net; using System.Windows; using System.Windows.Controls; using System.Windows.Documents; using System.Windows.Input; using System.Windows.Media; using System.Windows.Media.Animation; using System.Windows.Shapes; namespace SLA1 { public partial class Page : UserControl { public Page() { InitializeComponent(); } private void Button_Click(object sender, RoutedEventArgs e) { if (txtUserName.Text != "guest" || txtPassword.Text != "test") MessageBox.Show("Invalid UserName or Password"); else MessageBox.Show("Hello, World!"); } } } -----Original Message----- From: Robert Stewart To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 12:56:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [dba-VB] SCRUM/WPF - Buttons Styling Exercizes > I will be starting to work on a Silverlight application at the end of June. > I am currently working on converting an Access application into WPF > using the entity framework. > > I just created a VM with WIndows 7 RC and VS 2010 Beta 1. I will > be using them to do some presentations at the user group that I teach. > Database and GUI Design. > > There are currently 3 of us working in WPF. One is developing a pipe > yard inventory and shipping application in WPF. The other has developed > oil well information programs in WPF and is working another one now. > I am working a an application that manages social service agencies > that supply people with food, clothes, and other services. >