jwcolby
jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
Mon Mar 15 18:12:25 CDT 2010
I am just explaining what the ; does. It is not valid nor invalid, just the facts ma'm. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Charlotte Foust wrote: > You won't need continuation characters in the next version of VB.Net either, John. Not a valid argument! > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 3:26 PM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Recent Discussion from MS on VB.Net and C# in VS 2010 > > >Why do I need to put ; at the end of a line? > > Because now you don't need the _ nonsense to continue code to the next line. > > From the beginning of the line to the first ; is all a line of code. C# really is nice in that > regard. White space is white space whether it is a space, tab or CRLF. > > >It just makes no sense to me to have strtemp and strTemp represent two different values. > > I don't particularly like case sensitivity, I would PREFER case insensitivity, but now with modern > coding editors it is dead easy to find and fix such things. I still don't LIKE it though. In fact > C# coders tend to use a convention where the variable has UC all words and the function has a LC > first character (or VV). > > And you can declare class fields public and do away with the get/set if you wish. I don't recommend > that, whether in VB or C#. > > It is a fact that VB was designed to be easier to read, but again "easier" is relative to what? Try > reading a medical article. Holy crap. But it is perfectly easy to a doctor. Trying to read VB if > you come from C# is NOT easy, trying to read C# if you come from VB is NOT easy. Both syntax > require learning. Writing code in VB is actually a tad harder once you are good at both, and that > from a person that comes from VB. Typing Begin instead of { is more keystrokes. It just is, and it > takes longer and allows this "keyboard dyslexic" lots of opportunities to mis-spell. OTOH nowadays > the editor tends to do the "auto-finish" thing anyway. > > I think it is instructive to notice that the VB crowd says VB is easier and the C crowd says C# is > easier. I think at the core, both are pretty much equally hard / easy and whichever you do first > and / or longest is which is "easiest". > > I tend to believe that, over the long haul, the "extra" time it takes to become familiar with C# > over VB is lost in the noise of the time to learn the .net framework. IOW the total time to learn > either syntax is under 5% of the time to learn "dot net". Learning VB syntax might be 4.5% as > opposed to 5% for C#. In either case learning all of the classes and other stuff of .Net is going > to be 95% (or more!). > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Drew Wutka wrote: >> I hate to chime in here, cause I haven't done any serious development >> in about 2 years now. I still use VB 6, simply because I have so many >> tools that I have built for that, and I have so much code already >> written that it's not worth the effort to dig into anything new since >> I'm not doing it full time anyways. >> >> However, JWC posted a link from a "coder's" blog where he made a comment >> in one of his posts about having to deal with 'sloppy code' where he >> clarified that with 'other peoples code'. LOL. So dead on the mark. >> There are standards, none of which are universally applied. So pretty >> much every 'coder' out there thinks their code is the best written. But >> it makes sense, since code, in a way, is an artistic output, that we >> create, therefore the creator understands it the best. >> >> However, as a 'semi-retired' developer, back in the days, I dabbled in >> C++, php, even a little Java. And I always preferred VB 6, VBA and ASP. >> One of my hang-ups with the C style languages is the case sensitive >> parts. I remember having an argument with my sister years ago (about 9 >> years ago) about this very topic. It just makes no sense to me to have >> strtemp and strTemp represent two different values. No I googled, and >> found out that C# is still case sensitive. And one of the links had a >> vivid discussion about this. The C world pointed out that with case >> sensitivity, you could create a class called Foo, and then have an >> instance of the class called foo. Sure, great, wouldn't want to work on >> that code if my life depended on it. But then again, it's a style >> difference. And as Max just posted, there is all the structure >> nomenclature that, to me, just seems like just a hassle. Why do I need >> to put ; at the end of a line? >> >> Another issue I have had is that .Net requires much larger 'support' >> files. And when it first hit, there were versioning issues with them. >> I don't think this is much of an issue today, especially with the size >> of available media (hard drives, DVDs, etc) and the wide spread use of >> broadband. But I still like the simple 1.4 megs for VB6.... ;) >> >> Dan, specifically to your post, however, I had to look up the word >> laconic. I find that kind of odd to be used with C code: >> >> class SomeClass >> { >> private int someField; >> >> public int SomeField >> { >> get { return SomeField; } >> } >> } >> >> Versus: >> >> Option Explicit >> Public SomeField as Integer >> >> Can you really say that the C version is really more concise? >> >> Drew >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil >> Salakhetdinov >> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 3:52 PM >> To: 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.' >> Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Recent Discussion from MS on VB.Net and C# in VS >> 2010 >> >> Hi Dan -- >> >> <<< >> ...because it's easier to read... >> Well what of the following code lines is easier to read/understand/code >> for >> a (beginner) programmer?: >> >> string line = "test"; >> >> or >> >> dim line as string = "test" >> >> IMO (just IMO) defining a string variable named 'line' with initial >> value >> equal to "test" is directly translated to C#'s code line: >> >> string line = "test"; >> >> but not to a VB.NET one... >> >> And there could be found many samples like that one above, more >> complicated >> samples, which will highlight "one-to-one" correspondence between C# >> coding >> and algorithmic specifications... >> >> IMO (just IMO, I'm not trying to start a discussion here) C# is more >> straightforward and laconic, and is expected to become "preferred" >> programming language over time... >> >> Thank you :) >> >> -- >> Shamil >> >> The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity >> to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business >> Sensitive material. 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