From michael at ddisolutions.com.au Thu Dec 1 01:07:47 2011 From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 18:07:47 +1100 Subject: [dba-VB] vb.net vs c#.net References: <20111130221947.DPTS28897.mta02.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz>, , <4ED6FDE3.14088.38C4BD1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <99266C61B516644D9727F983FAFAB46511B8F7@remote.ddisolutions.com.au> I haven't noticed any elitism personally. Clients do seem to be aware of C# though. I started using VB.net in the early days but changed to C# because I was still supporting VB6 apps at the time. I just found myself getting confused ;-) I now would never consider starting a new project in VB.net unless it was specifically required. { Do seem to make your code neater } Cheers Michael M Don't forget the curly brackets - go to have lots of loverly curly brackets too :-) -- Stuart On 30 Nov 2011 at 17:51, Arthur Fuller wrote: > IME, I have observed the elitist preference for C# in the marketplace, > and the dimunition of Vb.NET in the same marketplace. There are a few > differences, AFICS, but there are translators to overcome this. That > said, almost all that is required to move from VB to C# is a bunch of > semi-colons. But the marketplace seems to regard these as worth at > least > $20 an hour more income. So I have dived into C#. Most of the > transition has proved trivial. > > A. > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2102/4049 - Release Date: 11/30/11 From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Dec 1 03:05:36 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 13:05:36 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?vb=2Enet_vs_c=23=2Enet?= In-Reply-To: <20111130221947.DPTS28897.mta02.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz> References: <20111130221947.DPTS28897.mta02.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz> Message-ID: Hi David -- I do use C#. I have made one large VB.NET training project when transitioning to .NET development but after that (that was VS2003?) I have switched to C# development and I'm using it today... As David noted C# syntax is close to Java and I used to port some Java code to C# when there was no C# samples available. That was easy. But that "syntactical closeness" wasn't my main reason to use primarily C# in .NET development. BTW, when you're getting fluent with C# then using VB.NET and VBA becomes an issue (at least for me and that happens after 10+ years of using VBA/VB6 in development) - I mean being "bilingual" C# and VB.NET requires IMO constant everyday usage of both languages, if you'll just use one of them then using another would result in some coding slow down - several days until you'll get on speed again.... I personally do not see any reasons to be bilingual C# and VB.NET in real life projects development... And getting fluent with C# would let you to try to get on speed with C++(/CLI) development, which together with WinRT promise to be one of the main development languages on Windows Phone/Windows Metro Style "development arena"... Thank you. -- Shamil 01 ??????? 2011, 02:20 ?? David Emerson : > Just out of curiosity, a comment I read recently was that 99% of .net > programmers seem to be using c#. > > As far as this group goes: > > What are peoples preferences? > > What do you do most of your development work in? > > Regards > > David Emerson > Dalyn Software Ltd > Wellington, New Zealand > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From jeff.developer at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 10:22:18 2011 From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff B) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 10:22:18 -0600 Subject: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET In-Reply-To: References: <003001cca076$20a08e80$61e1ab80$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004201ccb045$6618e000$324aa000$@gmail.com> Hey Doug, Thanks for the help and sample code. I decided to follow your example and store the sig as a jpg image in a folder. Now, I need to ask you what you did with the signatures, and how? Jeff Barrows MCP, MCAD, MCSD ? Outbak Technologies, LLC Racine, WI jeff.developer at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:04 AM To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET Hi Jeff: We just use SuperSignature as they suggested - to save a file to a folder on the server. But I do retrieve the signature data first as a System.Drawing.Bitmap, then convert it to a jpg and save it. I assume that you could write the Bitmap to a blob field in SQL. Sorry, the code is C#: // signature is returned as bitmap if no path specified System.Drawing.Bitmap BM = ctlSignature.SaveSignature(""); if (!ctlSignature.SignHasError) { // Save the image in JPEG format. BM.Save(Server.MapPath("~/sigs/sign.jpg"), System.Drawing.Imaging.ImageFormat.Jpeg); } else { Response.Write("Error:" + ctlSignature.SignInternalError); } Hope this helps! Doug On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Jeff B wrote: > OK, I guess I need to add some more information. > > We purchased a signature control from WebSignatureCapture. When I > discovered that their control would not work for our site, they > referred me to their sister-site, SuperSignature. > > I have worked with their support team as I could not get the signature > box to show up on the published site, (it was a VS 2010 issue). > > It now appears that things are working ok, but I want to verify that > the image is actually being stored in SQL, and I am currently having > issues retrieving the image from SQL. Does anyone have some code they > are willing to share that retrieves images? And the code you use to > store it? (if I am not asking for too much?) > > > Jeff Barrows > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > Racine, WI > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:01 PM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > I did this for a client's app (in C#). We went with SuperSignature: > > http://www.supersignature.com/ > > If I remember, SuperSignature had a lot fewer options than > RealSignature, but did what we wanted (simple signature capture on a > web app focused on iPhone use) and was considerably cheaper. > > Their copy protection is a little quirky, but their tech support was > helpful. > > Doug > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:37 PM, David McAfee > wrote: > > > My coworker is doing that very same thing, but I believe in C#. > > > > This is where he went for the custom control: realsignature.com > > > > He said it includes the license file. > > > > It looks like they have VB.Net samples on their site. > > > > HTH, > > David > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Jeff B > wrote: > > > > > Does anyone here have experience writing web pages in ASP.NET that > > require > > > online signatures? I have a website ALMOST finished that needs > > > users to sign on an iPad and I need to capture the signature, save > > > it into an SQL Server 2005 database, and extract the signature > > > back out > to a PDF. > > > > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > > Racine, WI > > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbdoug at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 10:46:50 2011 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 08:46:50 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET In-Reply-To: <004201ccb045$6618e000$324aa000$@gmail.com> References: <003001cca076$20a08e80$61e1ab80$@gmail.com> <004201ccb045$6618e000$324aa000$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Jeff: The customer signatures were collected by the iPhone web app as part of a work order tracking system. The work order number was the start of the signature file name. The main processing was done back at the office with an Access database. When a work order was being processed, the office user could check the signature (pulled into an imagebox on the edit screen), and when the invoice was printed, the signature was printed with it. I kept the signature files separate from the Access data file partly to keep the bloat down to a minimum. Doug On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Jeff B wrote: > Hey Doug, > > Thanks for the help and sample code. I decided to follow your example and > store the sig as a jpg image in a folder. Now, I need to ask you what you > did with the signatures, and how? > > Jeff Barrows > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > Racine, WI > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:04 AM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > Hi Jeff: > > We just use SuperSignature as they suggested - to save a file to a folder > on > the server. But I do retrieve the signature data first as a > System.Drawing.Bitmap, then convert it to a jpg and save it. I assume that > you could write the Bitmap to a blob field in SQL. Sorry, the code is C#: > > // signature is returned as bitmap if no path specified > System.Drawing.Bitmap BM = ctlSignature.SaveSignature(""); > if (!ctlSignature.SignHasError) > { > // Save the image in JPEG format. > BM.Save(Server.MapPath("~/sigs/sign.jpg"), > System.Drawing.Imaging.ImageFormat.Jpeg); > } > else > { > Response.Write("Error:" + ctlSignature.SignInternalError); > } > > Hope this helps! > Doug > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Jeff B wrote: > > > OK, I guess I need to add some more information. > > > > We purchased a signature control from WebSignatureCapture. When I > > discovered that their control would not work for our site, they > > referred me to their sister-site, SuperSignature. > > > > I have worked with their support team as I could not get the signature > > box to show up on the published site, (it was a VS 2010 issue). > > > > It now appears that things are working ok, but I want to verify that > > the image is actually being stored in SQL, and I am currently having > > issues retrieving the image from SQL. Does anyone have some code they > > are willing to share that retrieves images? And the code you use to > > store it? (if I am not asking for too much?) > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > Racine, WI > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:01 PM > > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > > > I did this for a client's app (in C#). We went with SuperSignature: > > > > http://www.supersignature.com/ > > > > If I remember, SuperSignature had a lot fewer options than > > RealSignature, but did what we wanted (simple signature capture on a > > web app focused on iPhone use) and was considerably cheaper. > > > > Their copy protection is a little quirky, but their tech support was > > helpful. > > > > Doug > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:37 PM, David McAfee > > wrote: > > > > > My coworker is doing that very same thing, but I believe in C#. > > > > > > This is where he went for the custom control: realsignature.com > > > > > > He said it includes the license file. > > > > > > It looks like they have VB.Net samples on their site. > > > > > > HTH, > > > David > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Jeff B > > wrote: > > > > > > > Does anyone here have experience writing web pages in ASP.NET that > > > require > > > > online signatures? I have a website ALMOST finished that needs > > > > users to sign on an iPad and I need to capture the signature, save > > > > it into an SQL Server 2005 database, and extract the signature > > > > back out > > to a PDF. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > > > Racine, WI > > > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From jeff.developer at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 11:05:18 2011 From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff B) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:05:18 -0600 Subject: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET In-Reply-To: References: <003001cca076$20a08e80$61e1ab80$@gmail.com> <004201ccb045$6618e000$324aa000$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004601ccb04b$67e79dd0$37b6d970$@gmail.com> Right, but what I am trying to figure out is how to pull the image up and add it to the report. Jeff Barrows MCP, MCAD, MCSD ? Outbak Technologies, LLC Racine, WI jeff.developer at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 10:47 AM To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET Hi Jeff: The customer signatures were collected by the iPhone web app as part of a work order tracking system. The work order number was the start of the signature file name. The main processing was done back at the office with an Access database. When a work order was being processed, the office user could check the signature (pulled into an imagebox on the edit screen), and when the invoice was printed, the signature was printed with it. I kept the signature files separate from the Access data file partly to keep the bloat down to a minimum. Doug On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Jeff B wrote: > Hey Doug, > > Thanks for the help and sample code. I decided to follow your example > and store the sig as a jpg image in a folder. Now, I need to ask you > what you did with the signatures, and how? > > Jeff Barrows > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > Racine, WI > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:04 AM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > Hi Jeff: > > We just use SuperSignature as they suggested - to save a file to a > folder on the server. But I do retrieve the signature data first as a > System.Drawing.Bitmap, then convert it to a jpg and save it. I assume > that you could write the Bitmap to a blob field in SQL. Sorry, the code is C#: > > // signature is returned as bitmap if no path specified > System.Drawing.Bitmap BM = ctlSignature.SaveSignature(""); > if (!ctlSignature.SignHasError) > { > // Save the image in JPEG format. > BM.Save(Server.MapPath("~/sigs/sign.jpg"), > System.Drawing.Imaging.ImageFormat.Jpeg); > } > else > { > Response.Write("Error:" + ctlSignature.SignInternalError); > } > > Hope this helps! > Doug > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Jeff B wrote: > > > OK, I guess I need to add some more information. > > > > We purchased a signature control from WebSignatureCapture. When I > > discovered that their control would not work for our site, they > > referred me to their sister-site, SuperSignature. > > > > I have worked with their support team as I could not get the > > signature box to show up on the published site, (it was a VS 2010 issue). > > > > It now appears that things are working ok, but I want to verify that > > the image is actually being stored in SQL, and I am currently having > > issues retrieving the image from SQL. Does anyone have some code > > they are willing to share that retrieves images? And the code you > > use to store it? (if I am not asking for too much?) > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > Racine, WI > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug > > Steele > > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:01 PM > > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > > > I did this for a client's app (in C#). We went with SuperSignature: > > > > http://www.supersignature.com/ > > > > If I remember, SuperSignature had a lot fewer options than > > RealSignature, but did what we wanted (simple signature capture on a > > web app focused on iPhone use) and was considerably cheaper. > > > > Their copy protection is a little quirky, but their tech support was > > helpful. > > > > Doug > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:37 PM, David McAfee > > > > wrote: > > > > > My coworker is doing that very same thing, but I believe in C#. > > > > > > This is where he went for the custom control: realsignature.com > > > > > > He said it includes the license file. > > > > > > It looks like they have VB.Net samples on their site. > > > > > > HTH, > > > David > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Jeff B > > wrote: > > > > > > > Does anyone here have experience writing web pages in ASP.NET > > > > that > > > require > > > > online signatures? I have a website ALMOST finished that needs > > > > users to sign on an iPad and I need to capture the signature, > > > > save it into an SQL Server 2005 database, and extract the > > > > signature back out > > to a PDF. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > > > Racine, WI > > > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbdoug at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 11:08:24 2011 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 09:08:24 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET In-Reply-To: <004601ccb04b$67e79dd0$37b6d970$@gmail.com> References: <003001cca076$20a08e80$61e1ab80$@gmail.com> <004201ccb045$6618e000$324aa000$@gmail.com> <004601ccb04b$67e79dd0$37b6d970$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sorry, neither of the ASP.Net apps I've written involved any reporting. In Access at least, all you have to do is have an image box on the report then set the source of the image box to the path of the signature file when the report section loads. Doug On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Jeff B wrote: > Right, but what I am trying to figure out is how to pull the image up and > add it to the report. > > Jeff Barrows > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > Racine, WI > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 10:47 AM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > Hi Jeff: > > The customer signatures were collected by the iPhone web app as part of a > work order tracking system. The work order number was the start of the > signature file name. The main processing was done back at the office with > an > Access database. When a work order was being processed, the office user > could check the signature (pulled into an imagebox on the edit screen), and > when the invoice was printed, the signature was printed with it. > > I kept the signature files separate from the Access data file partly to > keep > the bloat down to a minimum. > > Doug > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Jeff B wrote: > > > Hey Doug, > > > > Thanks for the help and sample code. I decided to follow your example > > and store the sig as a jpg image in a folder. Now, I need to ask you > > what you did with the signatures, and how? > > > > Jeff Barrows > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > Racine, WI > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:04 AM > > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > > > Hi Jeff: > > > > We just use SuperSignature as they suggested - to save a file to a > > folder on the server. But I do retrieve the signature data first as a > > System.Drawing.Bitmap, then convert it to a jpg and save it. I assume > > that you could write the Bitmap to a blob field in SQL. Sorry, the code > is C#: > > > > // signature is returned as bitmap if no path specified > > System.Drawing.Bitmap BM = ctlSignature.SaveSignature(""); > > if (!ctlSignature.SignHasError) > > { > > // Save the image in JPEG format. > > BM.Save(Server.MapPath("~/sigs/sign.jpg"), > > System.Drawing.Imaging.ImageFormat.Jpeg); > > } > > else > > { > > Response.Write("Error:" + ctlSignature.SignInternalError); > > } > > > > Hope this helps! > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Jeff B > wrote: > > > > > OK, I guess I need to add some more information. > > > > > > We purchased a signature control from WebSignatureCapture. When I > > > discovered that their control would not work for our site, they > > > referred me to their sister-site, SuperSignature. > > > > > > I have worked with their support team as I could not get the > > > signature box to show up on the published site, (it was a VS 2010 > issue). > > > > > > It now appears that things are working ok, but I want to verify that > > > the image is actually being stored in SQL, and I am currently having > > > issues retrieving the image from SQL. Does anyone have some code > > > they are willing to share that retrieves images? And the code you > > > use to store it? (if I am not asking for too much?) > > > > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > > Racine, WI > > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug > > > Steele > > > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:01 PM > > > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > > > > > I did this for a client's app (in C#). We went with SuperSignature: > > > > > > http://www.supersignature.com/ > > > > > > If I remember, SuperSignature had a lot fewer options than > > > RealSignature, but did what we wanted (simple signature capture on a > > > web app focused on iPhone use) and was considerably cheaper. > > > > > > Their copy protection is a little quirky, but their tech support was > > > helpful. > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:37 PM, David McAfee > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > My coworker is doing that very same thing, but I believe in C#. > > > > > > > > This is where he went for the custom control: realsignature.com > > > > > > > > He said it includes the license file. > > > > > > > > It looks like they have VB.Net samples on their site. > > > > > > > > HTH, > > > > David > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Jeff B > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Does anyone here have experience writing web pages in ASP.NET > > > > > that > > > > require > > > > > online signatures? I have a website ALMOST finished that needs > > > > > users to sign on an iPad and I need to capture the signature, > > > > > save it into an SQL Server 2005 database, and extract the > > > > > signature back out > > > to a PDF. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > > > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > > > > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > > > > Racine, WI > > > > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From jeff.developer at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 11:16:39 2011 From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff B) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:16:39 -0600 Subject: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET In-Reply-To: References: <003001cca076$20a08e80$61e1ab80$@gmail.com> <004201ccb045$6618e000$324aa000$@gmail.com> <004601ccb04b$67e79dd0$37b6d970$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004701ccb04c$fd9930e0$f8cb92a0$@gmail.com> Ok, thanks for your help! Jeff Barrows MCP, MCAD, MCSD ? Outbak Technologies, LLC Racine, WI jeff.developer at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 11:08 AM To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET Sorry, neither of the ASP.Net apps I've written involved any reporting. In Access at least, all you have to do is have an image box on the report then set the source of the image box to the path of the signature file when the report section loads. Doug On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Jeff B wrote: > Right, but what I am trying to figure out is how to pull the image up > and add it to the report. > > Jeff Barrows > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > Racine, WI > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 10:47 AM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > Hi Jeff: > > The customer signatures were collected by the iPhone web app as part > of a work order tracking system. The work order number was the start > of the signature file name. The main processing was done back at the > office with an Access database. When a work order was being > processed, the office user could check the signature (pulled into an > imagebox on the edit screen), and when the invoice was printed, the > signature was printed with it. > > I kept the signature files separate from the Access data file partly > to keep the bloat down to a minimum. > > Doug > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Jeff B wrote: > > > Hey Doug, > > > > Thanks for the help and sample code. I decided to follow your > > example and store the sig as a jpg image in a folder. Now, I need > > to ask you what you did with the signatures, and how? > > > > Jeff Barrows > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > Racine, WI > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug > > Steele > > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:04 AM > > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > > > Hi Jeff: > > > > We just use SuperSignature as they suggested - to save a file to a > > folder on the server. But I do retrieve the signature data first as > > a System.Drawing.Bitmap, then convert it to a jpg and save it. I > > assume that you could write the Bitmap to a blob field in SQL. > > Sorry, the code > is C#: > > > > // signature is returned as bitmap if no path specified > > System.Drawing.Bitmap BM = ctlSignature.SaveSignature(""); > > if (!ctlSignature.SignHasError) > > { > > // Save the image in JPEG format. > > BM.Save(Server.MapPath("~/sigs/sign.jpg"), > > System.Drawing.Imaging.ImageFormat.Jpeg); > > } > > else > > { > > Response.Write("Error:" + ctlSignature.SignInternalError); > > } > > > > Hope this helps! > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Jeff B > wrote: > > > > > OK, I guess I need to add some more information. > > > > > > We purchased a signature control from WebSignatureCapture. When I > > > discovered that their control would not work for our site, they > > > referred me to their sister-site, SuperSignature. > > > > > > I have worked with their support team as I could not get the > > > signature box to show up on the published site, (it was a VS 2010 > issue). > > > > > > It now appears that things are working ok, but I want to verify > > > that the image is actually being stored in SQL, and I am currently > > > having issues retrieving the image from SQL. Does anyone have > > > some code they are willing to share that retrieves images? And > > > the code you use to store it? (if I am not asking for too much?) > > > > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > > Racine, WI > > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug > > > Steele > > > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:01 PM > > > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > > > > > I did this for a client's app (in C#). We went with SuperSignature: > > > > > > http://www.supersignature.com/ > > > > > > If I remember, SuperSignature had a lot fewer options than > > > RealSignature, but did what we wanted (simple signature capture on > > > a web app focused on iPhone use) and was considerably cheaper. > > > > > > Their copy protection is a little quirky, but their tech support > > > was helpful. > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:37 PM, David McAfee > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > My coworker is doing that very same thing, but I believe in C#. > > > > > > > > This is where he went for the custom control: realsignature.com > > > > > > > > He said it includes the license file. > > > > > > > > It looks like they have VB.Net samples on their site. > > > > > > > > HTH, > > > > David > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Jeff B > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Does anyone here have experience writing web pages in ASP.NET > > > > > that > > > > require > > > > > online signatures? I have a website ALMOST finished that > > > > > needs users to sign on an iPad and I need to capture the > > > > > signature, save it into an SQL Server 2005 database, and > > > > > extract the signature back out > > > to a PDF. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > > > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > > > > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > > > > Racine, WI > > > > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Dec 1 18:11:29 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 04:11:29 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= Message-ID: Hi All -- FYI:? I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how smooth his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but with Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even using one hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - the thumb one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows Phone 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a project with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? Thank you. -- Shamil From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 2 15:17:52 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 22:17:52 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil et al Very well! Quite often app development starts with just some sketches. I've learned that this is called UX sketching (for User eXperience). Tools exist for this. Here is one by Sara Summers for the panorama view of Metro: http://www.uxarray.com/2010/11/18/prototyping-sketch-sheets-wp7/ and the sheet to print and cut and draw upon: http://www.uxarray.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/PaperPrototype_Sketchbook_WP7_Metro.pdf Another one by Rashid Ali is here: Windows Phone 7 UX Sketch Templates http://blog.merrycode.com/windows-phone-7-ux-sketch-templates/ The official guide is here: User Experience Design Guidelines for Windows Phone http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202915(v=VS.92).aspx Also, a single, full download of everything needed to get started with WP7+ development is here: Windows Phone SDK 7.1 http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27570 The Windows Phone SDK includes a major collection of software: * Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone * Windows Phone Emulator * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Assemblies * Silverlight 4 SDK and DRT * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Extensions for XNA Game Studio 4.0 * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone 7 * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone OS 7.1 * WCF Data Services Client for Window Phone * Microsoft Advertising SDK for Windows Phone Please note the upscaled system requirements. No WinXP here, and DirectX 9 is an absolute minimum (DirectX 10 is needed for games). The 3 GB is a minimum too, as the Windows Phone Emulator (which on-screen mimics a physical phone) alone eats a whopping 800 MB. Note that the Ultimate ($)version of Expression Blend does feature SketchFlow to create sketches on screen: http://blogs.microsoft.nl/blogs/ux/archive/2011/06/16/sketchflow-for-windows-phone-the-real-one.aspx As for the Northwind.Net porting to WP7, I'll have to think about it. Some challenge - both for the UI design as well as the database connection. Not the first project to work with for me. Finally, don't forget the free 1000-page Microsoft Press ebook: Programming Windows Phone 7: http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24519 /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> Hi All -- FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how smooth his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but with Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even using one hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - the thumb one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows Phone 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a project with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? Thank you. -- Shamil From dbdoug at gmail.com Fri Dec 2 15:27:39 2011 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 13:27:39 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wow! Thanks, Gustav Doug On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Shamil et al > > Very well! > > Quite often app development starts with just some sketches. I've learned > that this is called UX sketching (for User eXperience). > > Tools exist for this. Here is one by Sara Summers for the panorama view of > Metro: > > http://www.uxarray.com/2010/11/18/prototyping-sketch-sheets-wp7/ > > and the sheet to print and cut and draw upon: > > http://www.uxarray.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/PaperPrototype_Sketchbook_WP7_Metro.pdf > > Another one by Rashid Ali is here: > Windows Phone 7 UX Sketch Templates > http://blog.merrycode.com/windows-phone-7-ux-sketch-templates/ > > The official guide is here: > User Experience Design Guidelines for Windows Phone > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202915(v=VS.92).aspx > > > Also, a single, full download of everything needed to get started with > WP7+ development is here: > Windows Phone SDK 7.1 > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27570 > > The Windows Phone SDK includes a major collection of software: > > * Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone > * Windows Phone Emulator > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Assemblies > * Silverlight 4 SDK and DRT > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Extensions for XNA Game Studio 4.0 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone 7 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone OS 7.1 > * WCF Data Services Client for Window Phone > * Microsoft Advertising SDK for Windows Phone > > Please note the upscaled system requirements. No WinXP here, and DirectX 9 > is an absolute minimum (DirectX 10 is needed for games). The 3 GB is a > minimum too, as the Windows Phone Emulator (which on-screen mimics a > physical phone) alone eats a whopping 800 MB. > > Note that the Ultimate ($)version of Expression Blend does feature > SketchFlow to create sketches on screen: > > > http://blogs.microsoft.nl/blogs/ux/archive/2011/06/16/sketchflow-for-windows-phone-the-real-one.aspx > > > As for the Northwind.Net porting to WP7, I'll have to think about it. Some > challenge - both for the UI design as well as the database connection. Not > the first project to work with for me. > > > Finally, don't forget the free 1000-page Microsoft Press ebook: > Programming Windows Phone 7: > > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24519 > > /gustav > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> > Hi All -- > > FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. > > First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) > > I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something > useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. > > One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how > well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how > smooth his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) > > And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this > device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself > comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but > with Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even > using one hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - > the thumb one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! > > I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse > Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! > > Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net > project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows > Phone 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a > project with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Dec 2 17:42:26 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 03:42:26 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your notes and links - I have got a few other ones (see P.S.), which allowed me to start WP7 test development I have already got all the development stuff installed and I can create WP7 solutions, build and run them in emulation mode on my PC... So we are just two here - happy owners on Windows Phone 7/7.5? Anybody else? BTW, I have given my WP7.5 to play to my son (he is 10+ years old) and to compare to his Samsung Fit with Android 2.x - and my son wasn't impressed by my WP at all :( (:) Yes, MS has to do quite a lot on this "frontline" to get kids and teens "back to Windows (Phones)". "Angry Birds", "Doodle Jump" and many other popular games are free for Android - very important option for kids. Even with 1-3USD price for "Angry Birds" and "Doodle Jump" MS risks to miss WP market for children... Have you got registered on Windows Phone Development Registration page http://create.msdn.com/en-US/ ? I'm considering registering there if it will give some additional information on WP7, if not, then I will stay unregistered till I'll get something ready to publish on that site. Registration is 99USD/year. I'm also interested will WP7.5 Internet Tethering work here in Russia with my mobile provider or not (http://www.winrumors.com/windows-phone-7-5-internet-tethering-feature-only-available-on-new-devices/) - they say this feature is opened/blocked by mobile operators. I have mobile USB modem which I use with my laptop when on the road or outside of my broadband Internet connection - if WP7 Internet Tethering will be available here then I will use it instead of USB modem... As for Northwind.WP7 - I do not plan to make it having "fancy graphics" interface - I plan to use the basic Silverlight controls for this interface - the main challenges I see currently are: - 1) to make it working and looking well in both portrait and landscape layouts; - 2) to simulate combo-box selection by using Silverlight list control - as e.g. it's done in WP7 "Alarm clock" application when selecting date or time - have you seen any samples presenting this UI development technique? - 3) to make reports by using grid controls hosting other controls; And I do not plan to have any backend communication for the first version of Northwind.WP7 - I'm going to just put all the sample data into resources, which will be compiled and deployed together with application... We will see - as I noted previously I'd currently setting deadline for this project as 6 months as I have quite some other work to do and as WP7 "learning curve" promise to be rather steep.. P.S. Some WP7 resources Windows Phone Development - fundamential concepts http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff626521(v=vs.92).aspx Windows Phone Development http://create.msdn.com/en-us/home/getting_started Silverlight QuickStart http://create.msdn.com/en-US/education/quickstarts/Navigation 03 ??????? 2011, 01:14 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil et al > > Very well! > > Quite often app development starts with just some sketches. I've learned that this is called UX sketching (for User eXperience). > > Tools exist for this. Here is one by Sara Summers for the panorama view of Metro: > > http://www.uxarray.com/2010/11/18/prototyping-sketch-sheets-wp7/ > > and the sheet to print and cut and draw upon: > http://www.uxarray.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/PaperPrototype_Sketchbook_WP7_Metro.pdf > > Another one by Rashid Ali is here: > Windows Phone 7 UX Sketch Templates > http://blog.merrycode.com/windows-phone-7-ux-sketch-templates/ > > The official guide is here: > User Experience Design Guidelines for Windows Phone > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202915(v=VS.92).aspx > > Also, a single, full download of everything needed to get started with WP7+ development is here: > Windows Phone SDK 7.1 > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27570 > > The Windows Phone SDK includes a major collection of software: > > * Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone > * Windows Phone Emulator > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Assemblies > * Silverlight 4 SDK and DRT > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Extensions for XNA Game Studio 4.0 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone 7 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone OS 7.1 > * WCF Data Services Client for Window Phone > * Microsoft Advertising SDK for Windows Phone > > Please note the upscaled system requirements. No WinXP here, and DirectX 9 is an absolute minimum (DirectX 10 is needed for games). The 3 GB is a minimum too, as the Windows Phone Emulator (which on-screen mimics a physical phone) alone eats a whopping 800 MB. > > Note that the Ultimate ($)version of Expression Blend does feature SketchFlow to create sketches on screen: > > http://blogs.microsoft.nl/blogs/ux/archive/2011/06/16/sketchflow-for-windows-phone-the-real-one.aspx > > As for the Northwind.Net porting to WP7, I'll have to think about it. Some challenge - both for the UI design as well as the database connection. Not the first project to work with for me. > > Finally, don't forget the free 1000-page Microsoft Press ebook: Programming Windows Phone 7: > > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24519 > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> > Hi All -- > > FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. > > First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) > > I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. > > One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how smooth his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) > > And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but with Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even using one hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - the thumb one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! > > I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! > > Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows Phone 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a project with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Dec 3 20:06:28 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 21:06:28 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Subversion repositories and server Message-ID: <4EDAD5A4.3020505@colbyconsulting.com> I use subversion here at my office. I have to say I find it confusing and "just use it" without really understanding it. I am trying to set it up at my clients as I am about to start doing some VS 2010 / C# stuff there to replace some less reliable Access stuff. I want the repositories to reside on the server with all of its raid and backup safety net. Here at my office I use the file:// method of accessing the repository which the way I understand it is nothing more than allowing VSN on the workstation to check in and out through a shared directory. When I started research on Google I am getting "shared directories is a bad idea, use a server", but I do not know how to do that. I have set up the server simply by downloading the VisualSVN Server msi and installing it. I created a group and a user and ser my user into the group. I then created two repositories for two different projects and added the group to the project with R/W access and disabled the Everyone user. My question is how do I get my workstation to use the server now? I am using VS 2010, and it has the VisualSVN package installed. I just need to "hook up" the VisualSVN in my workstation to get data from the repository server. Onw would think that there would be a place to go to tell VisualSVN in the workstation "your server is named XYZ" etc but I am not finding that. The "Get solution from Subversion" has a Repository URL line but it does not automatically look for and find my repository and I have no clue what the URL is. IMHO this is the shakiest part of using this stuff. Any help is much appreciated. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Dec 3 20:47:12 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 21:47:12 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Subversion repositories and server In-Reply-To: <4EDAD5A4.3020505@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EDAD5A4.3020505@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4EDADF30.2030909@colbyconsulting.com> Well I got it. The server side software gave me a url. I ended up getting an error about xml not parsing correctly and got a clue (though not an answer) from Google that basically told me I needed to add the trunk portion . I had to add the trunk to the server URL. Then I had to change the default username jcolby (apparently returned from windows?) to the user I set up in the VSNServer and it "took". Sorry for the ring. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 12/3/2011 9:06 PM, jwcolby wrote: > I use subversion here at my office. I have to say I find it confusing and "just use it" without > really understanding it. > > I am trying to set it up at my clients as I am about to start doing some VS 2010 / C# stuff there to > replace some less reliable Access stuff. I want the repositories to reside on the server with all of > its raid and backup safety net. > > Here at my office I use the file:// method of accessing the repository which the way I understand it > is nothing more than allowing VSN on the workstation to check in and out through a shared directory. > > When I started research on Google I am getting "shared directories is a bad idea, use a server", but > I do not know how to do that. > > I have set up the server simply by downloading the VisualSVN Server msi and installing it. I created > a group and a user and ser my user into the group. I then created two repositories for two different > projects and added the group to the project with R/W access and disabled the Everyone user. > > My question is how do I get my workstation to use the server now? I am using VS 2010, and it has the > VisualSVN package installed. I just need to "hook up" the VisualSVN in my workstation to get data > from the repository server. Onw would think that there would be a place to go to tell VisualSVN in > the workstation "your server is named XYZ" etc but I am not finding that. The "Get solution from > Subversion" has a Repository URL line but it does not automatically look for and find my repository > and I have no clue what the URL is. > > IMHO this is the shakiest part of using this stuff. Any help is much appreciated. > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Dec 3 21:39:42 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 22:39:42 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] VSN right click isn't working Message-ID: <4EDAEB7E.1090208@colbyconsulting.com> I use VSN with right click context stuff to check in and out some DLLs such as NLog which are referenced by my projects but are not stuff that I can directly open in VS and use that to do the checkin. The problem is that while the right click menu works on my systems at the office, at my client they cause Windows Explorer to crash, as in close and explorer reopens a few seconds later. Right clicking on any file or directory causes the explorer crash. I eventually found this thing called ShellExView that allows one to see the right click processes that are hooking into Explorer's right click widget, and from there I caused all of the VSNTortoise stuff to stop and the crashes stopped. So I can't use VSN's stuff on my dev machine at the client to check directories in and out of tortoise / VSN and so I have no way to check in initially. I decided to try and do this on the server directly and the right click menu works just fine there, or at least doesn't page fault explorer. However when I try to check it in, it complains about a different user or something. Sigh. AFAIC I do not have to have this in source control, i.e. the reference that I am trying to check in are just dlls which are referenced at a specific path on my hard disk and for that purpose having them in source control doesn't matter. However putting it in source control allows me to "check them out" from any other machine which needs them, and further if I get a new version of a file (nlogs.dll for example) I can check it in and then check it out on other machines to get the latest. The whole point of source control really. So long term I really want to get this working. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Dec 3 22:53:28 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 23:53:28 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Using SQL Server SMO with .Net Message-ID: <4EDAFCC8.1030203@colbyconsulting.com> I am trying to port some pre-written code from my home office to my client where I am setting up to use VS 2010. We use SMO heavily here at my office, but I discovered that SMO is not part of the framework. Ifyou use SMO this is the page that discuses getting a SQL Server 2008 R2 Feature pack which contains standalone stuff including SMO. This apparently has to be installed on each workstation running VisualStudio so that you can reference the SMO in your project references. http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=16978 It appears that they break out a whole bunch of things individually so that you download just a piece you are interested in. SMO is about 3/4 of the way down a very long page of these things. It is precisely things like this that I assume need to go in a source controlled References (my directory name) project so that they can just be downloaded, though in this case it is an MSI and thus has to be installed. I have no clue how bug fixes get applied in cases like this. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sun Dec 4 03:50:28 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 01:50:28 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] Subversion repositories and server In-Reply-To: <4EDADF30.2030909@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EDAD5A4.3020505@colbyconsulting.com> <4EDADF30.2030909@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Hi john, Having a proper svn server is definitely the best in terms of transactional integrity. Seems like you have things worked out, but the apache svn module is pretty straightforward to use and I could easily as you up with a minimal Debian-based svn apache virtual(box) machine within 15 min if that helps. By the way, have you ever toyed wit Git? You don't even have to stop using svn. git can happily work as a wrapper around a svn repo. Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 3 Dec 2011, at 18:47, jwcolby wrote: > Well I got it. > > The server side software gave me a url. I ended up getting an error about xml not parsing correctly and got a clue (though not an answer) from Google that basically told me I needed to add the trunk portion . I had to add the trunk to the server URL. Then I had to change the default username jcolby (apparently returned from windows?) to the user I set up in the VSNServer and it "took". > > Sorry for the ring. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 12/3/2011 9:06 PM, jwcolby wrote: >> I use subversion here at my office. I have to say I find it confusing and "just use it" without >> really understanding it. >> >> I am trying to set it up at my clients as I am about to start doing some VS 2010 / C# stuff there to >> replace some less reliable Access stuff. I want the repositories to reside on the server with all of >> its raid and backup safety net. >> >> Here at my office I use the file:// method of accessing the repository which the way I understand it >> is nothing more than allowing VSN on the workstation to check in and out through a shared directory. >> >> When I started research on Google I am getting "shared directories is a bad idea, use a server", but >> I do not know how to do that. >> >> I have set up the server simply by downloading the VisualSVN Server msi and installing it. I created >> a group and a user and ser my user into the group. I then created two repositories for two different >> projects and added the group to the project with R/W access and disabled the Everyone user. >> >> My question is how do I get my workstation to use the server now? I am using VS 2010, and it has the >> VisualSVN package installed. I just need to "hook up" the VisualSVN in my workstation to get data >> from the repository server. Onw would think that there would be a place to go to tell VisualSVN in >> the workstation "your server is named XYZ" etc but I am not finding that. The "Get solution from >> Subversion" has a Repository URL line but it does not automatically look for and find my repository >> and I have no clue what the URL is. >> >> IMHO this is the shakiest part of using this stuff. Any help is much appreciated. >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sun Dec 4 03:53:21 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 01:53:21 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] VSN right click isn't working In-Reply-To: <4EDAEB7E.1090208@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EDAEB7E.1090208@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: No clue about vsvn unfortunately, but one thing I did learn was how important it was to know have to use svn on the command line and that is all I do anymore (instead of visual GUI apps). Pays in the long run, IMO. Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 3 Dec 2011, at 19:39, jwcolby wrote: > I use VSN with right click context stuff to check in and out some DLLs such as NLog which are referenced by my projects but are not stuff that I can directly open in VS and use that to do the checkin. The problem is that while the right click menu works on my systems at the office, at my client they cause Windows Explorer to crash, as in close and explorer reopens a few seconds later. Right clicking on any file or directory causes the explorer crash. > > I eventually found this thing called ShellExView that allows one to see the right click processes that are hooking into Explorer's right click widget, and from there I caused all of the VSNTortoise stuff to stop and the crashes stopped. > > So I can't use VSN's stuff on my dev machine at the client to check directories in and out of tortoise / VSN and so I have no way to check in initially. > > I decided to try and do this on the server directly and the right click menu works just fine there, or at least doesn't page fault explorer. However when I try to check it in, it complains about a different user or something. > > Sigh. AFAIC I do not have to have this in source control, i.e. the reference that I am trying to check in are just dlls which are referenced at a specific path on my hard disk and for that purpose having them in source control doesn't matter. However putting it in source control allows me to "check them out" from any other machine which needs them, and further if I get a new version of a file (nlogs.dll for example) I can check it in and then check it out on other machines to get the latest. The whole point of source control really. So long term I really want to get this working. > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Dec 4 13:33:44 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 14:33:44 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Automation API, is it needed? Message-ID: <4EDBCB18.4040000@colbyconsulting.com> I got a "speed up VS popup which took me to this page. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/981741 It doesn't sound like it is for the dev environment but rather when running an app with a pen or touch. Am I right there? -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 9 05:59:57 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 12:59:57 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi all I went to the two-day course in programming Windows Phone 7. A developer track and a UX track were offered; I picked the UX track as I found it best to have a solid foundation here - the coding stuff is easier to pick up later. That was a good pick. The session was lead by Arturo Toledo, Sr. User Experience Designer at Microsoft for the Windows Phone Design Studio. He also runs a comprehensive site which I believe contains or links to anything you may wish to know about design for WP7: http://ux.artu.tv/ His partner was Jared Potter (Design Integration Lead) - also called the Pixel Manager as his team approves any graphics going to the phone interface. Should you ever come across a session with either of these, do sign in. They know just about anything about what's happening at the screen surface of a Windows Phone, and both are men of great humour who it's a pleasure to spend some time with. /gustav >>> Gustav at cactus.dk 02-12-2011 22:17 >>> Hi Shamil et al Very well! Quite often app development starts with just some sketches. I've learned that this is called UX sketching (for User eXperience). Tools exist for this. Here is one by Sara Summers for the panorama view of Metro: http://www.uxarray.com/2010/11/18/prototyping-sketch-sheets-wp7/ and the sheet to print and cut and draw upon: http://www.uxarray.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/PaperPrototype_Sketchbook_WP7_Metro.pdf Another one by Rashid Ali is here: Windows Phone 7 UX Sketch Templates http://blog.merrycode.com/windows-phone-7-ux-sketch-templates/ The official guide is here: User Experience Design Guidelines for Windows Phone http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202915(v=VS.92).aspx Also, a single, full download of everything needed to get started with WP7+ development is here: Windows Phone SDK 7.1 http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27570 The Windows Phone SDK includes a major collection of software: * Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone * Windows Phone Emulator * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Assemblies * Silverlight 4 SDK and DRT * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Extensions for XNA Game Studio 4.0 * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone 7 * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone OS 7.1 * WCF Data Services Client for Window Phone * Microsoft Advertising SDK for Windows Phone Please note the upscaled system requirements. No WinXP here, and DirectX 9 is an absolute minimum (DirectX 10 is needed for games). The 3 GB is a minimum too, as the Windows Phone Emulator (which on-screen mimics a physical phone) alone eats a whopping 800 MB. Note that the Ultimate ($)version of Expression Blend does feature SketchFlow to create sketches on screen: http://blogs.microsoft.nl/blogs/ux/archive/2011/06/16/sketchflow-for-windows-phone-the-real-one.aspx As for the Northwind.Net porting to WP7, I'll have to think about it. Some challenge - both for the UI design as well as the database connection. Not the first project to work with for me. Finally, don't forget the free 1000-page Microsoft Press ebook: Programming Windows Phone 7: http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24519 /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> Hi All -- FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how smooth his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but with Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even using one hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - the thumb one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows Phone 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a project with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? Thank you. -- Shamil _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Dec 9 06:18:29 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 16:18:29 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your information. So you're ready to start your custom Windows Phone 7.5 Development? Did they tell how "scrolling selection" UI feature is implemented, e.g. when you set date (selecting day, month, year) while setting a calendar appointment? Thank you. -- Shamil 09 ??????? 2011, 15:56 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi all > > I went to the two-day course in programming Windows Phone 7. A developer track and a UX track were offered; I picked the UX track as I found it best to have a solid foundation here - the coding stuff is easier to pick up later. > > That was a good pick. The session was lead by Arturo Toledo, Sr. User Experience Designer at Microsoft for the Windows Phone Design Studio. > He also runs a comprehensive site which I believe contains or links to anything you may wish to know about design for WP7: > > http://ux.artu.tv/ > > His partner was Jared Potter (Design Integration Lead) - also called the Pixel Manager as his team approves any graphics going to the phone interface. > > Should you ever come across a session with either of these, do sign in. They know just about anything about what's happening at the screen surface of a Windows Phone, and both are men of great humour who it's a pleasure to spend some time with. > > /gustav > > >>> Gustav at cactus.dk 02-12-2011 22:17 >>> > Hi Shamil et al > > Very well! > > Quite often app development starts with just some sketches. I've learned that this is called UX sketching (for User eXperience). > > Tools exist for this. Here is one by Sara Summers for the panorama view of Metro: > > http://www.uxarray.com/2010/11/18/prototyping-sketch-sheets-wp7/ > > and the sheet to print and cut and draw upon: > http://www.uxarray.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/PaperPrototype_Sketchbook_WP7_Metro.pdf > > Another one by Rashid Ali is here: > Windows Phone 7 UX Sketch Templates > http://blog.merrycode.com/windows-phone-7-ux-sketch-templates/ > > The official guide is here: > User Experience Design Guidelines for Windows Phone > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202915(v=VS.92).aspx > > Also, a single, full download of everything needed to get started with WP7+ development is here: > Windows Phone SDK 7.1 > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27570 > > The Windows Phone SDK includes a major collection of software: > > * Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone > * Windows Phone Emulator > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Assemblies > * Silverlight 4 SDK and DRT > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Extensions for XNA Game Studio 4.0 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone 7 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone OS 7.1 > * WCF Data Services Client for Window Phone > * Microsoft Advertising SDK for Windows Phone > > Please note the upscaled system requirements. No WinXP here, and DirectX 9 is an absolute minimum (DirectX 10 is needed for games). The 3 GB is a minimum too, as the Windows Phone Emulator (which on-screen mimics a physical phone) alone eats a whopping 800 MB. > > Note that the Ultimate ($)version of Expression Blend does feature SketchFlow to create sketches on screen: > > http://blogs.microsoft.nl/blogs/ux/archive/2011/06/16/sketchflow-for-windows-phone-the-real-one.aspx > > As for the Northwind.Net porting to WP7, I'll have to think about it. Some challenge - both for the UI design as well as the database connection. Not the first project to work with for me. > > Finally, don't forget the free 1000-page Microsoft Press ebook: Programming Windows Phone 7: > > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24519 > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> > Hi All -- > > FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. > > First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) > > I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. > > One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how smooth his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) > > And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but with Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even using one hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - the thumb one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! > > I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! > > Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows Phone 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a project with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 9 06:27:28 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 13:27:28 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Localizing SQL Server Reporting Services Reports Message-ID: Hi all http://www.codeproject.com/KB/reporting-services/SQLServer2008Reporting.aspx This is a step-by-step walk-through of how to implement localization for SQL Server Reporting Services (SQL 2008). .. An additional item this article covers .. is the ability to use the un-compiled resource files (*.resx) rather than a compiled DLL. /gustav From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 9 08:40:43 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 15:40:43 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil Yes, I've even signed up at the App Hub: http://create.msdn.com/en-US/home/about/developer_registration_walkthrough as we received a one-year subscription in favour of the registration fee (only ~USD18.00). Also, I learned that more attention should be payed to Microsoft Expression Blend. This is an amazing design environment capable of all sorts of web-centric graphics, including animations, and with a amazing Windows Phone graphics designer and emulator featuring drag-n-drop design of many things with automatic sync to and from a code window as well. You have to work with it to believe it. Requires DirectX 10 minimum. It contains some additional tools/controls too, and I did see special controls like the one for the alarm selector, but I can't remember the name of the dlls. /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 09-12-2011 13:18 >>> Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your information. So you're ready to start your custom Windows Phone 7.5 Development? Did they tell how "scrolling selection" UI feature is implemented, e.g. when you set date (selecting day, month, year) while setting a calendar appointment? Thank you. -- Shamil 09 ??????? 2011, 15:56 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi all > > I went to the two-day course in programming Windows Phone 7. A developer track and a UX track were offered; I picked the UX track as I found it best to have a solid foundation here - the coding stuff is easier to pick up later. > > That was a good pick. The session was lead by Arturo Toledo, Sr. User Experience Designer at Microsoft for the Windows Phone Design Studio. > He also runs a comprehensive site which I believe contains or links to anything you may wish to know about design for WP7: > > http://ux.artu.tv/ > > His partner was Jared Potter (Design Integration Lead) - also called the Pixel Manager as his team approves any graphics going to the phone interface. > > Should you ever come across a session with either of these, do sign in. They know just about anything about what's happening at the screen surface of a Windows Phone, and both are men of great humour who it's a pleasure to spend some time with. > > /gustav > > >>> Gustav at cactus.dk 02-12-2011 22:17 >>> > Hi Shamil et al > > Very well! > > Quite often app development starts with just some sketches. I've learned that this is called UX sketching (for User eXperience). > > Tools exist for this. Here is one by Sara Summers for the panorama view of Metro: > > http://www.uxarray.com/2010/11/18/prototyping-sketch-sheets-wp7/ > > and the sheet to print and cut and draw upon: > http://www.uxarray.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/PaperPrototype_Sketchbook_WP7_Metro.pdf > > Another one by Rashid Ali is here: > Windows Phone 7 UX Sketch Templates > http://blog.merrycode.com/windows-phone-7-ux-sketch-templates/ > > The official guide is here: > User Experience Design Guidelines for Windows Phone > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202915(v=VS.92).aspx > > Also, a single, full download of everything needed to get started with WP7+ development is here: > Windows Phone SDK 7.1 > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27570 > > The Windows Phone SDK includes a major collection of software: > > * Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone > * Windows Phone Emulator > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Assemblies > * Silverlight 4 SDK and DRT > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Extensions for XNA Game Studio 4.0 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone 7 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone OS 7.1 > * WCF Data Services Client for Window Phone > * Microsoft Advertising SDK for Windows Phone > > Please note the upscaled system requirements. No WinXP here, and DirectX 9 is an absolute minimum (DirectX 10 is needed for games). The 3 GB is a minimum too, as the Windows Phone Emulator (which on-screen mimics a physical phone) alone eats a whopping 800 MB. > > Note that the Ultimate ($)version of Expression Blend does feature SketchFlow to create sketches on screen: > > http://blogs.microsoft.nl/blogs/ux/archive/2011/06/16/sketchflow-for-windows-phone-the-real-one.aspx > > As for the Northwind.Net porting to WP7, I'll have to think about it. Some challenge - both for the UI design as well as the database connection. Not the first project to work with for me. > > Finally, don't forget the free 1000-page Microsoft Press ebook: Programming Windows Phone 7: > > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24519 > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> > Hi All -- > > FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. > > First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) > > I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. > > One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how smooth his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) > > And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but with Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even using one hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - the thumb one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! > > I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! > > Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows Phone 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a project with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 10:06:19 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 11:06:19 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Being unable to afford a Win7 phone, is that an impediment to development, or can I fake it using the IDE? Arthur On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Shamil > > Yes, I've even signed up at the App Hub: > > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/home/about/developer_registration_walkthrough > > as we received a one-year subscription in favour of the registration fee > (only ~USD18.00). > > Also, I learned that more attention should be payed to Microsoft > Expression Blend. This is an amazing design environment capable of all > sorts of web-centric graphics, including animations, and with a amazing > Windows Phone graphics designer and emulator featuring drag-n-drop design > of many things with automatic sync to and from a code window as well. You > have to work with it to believe it. Requires DirectX 10 minimum. > > It contains some additional tools/controls too, and I did see special > controls like the one for the alarm selector, but I can't remember the name > of the dlls. > > /gustav > > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 9 10:18:47 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 17:18:47 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Arthur You can fake it - actually are expected to do so during development - using the Windows Phone 7 Emulator (from the free SDK) which on-screen mimics most things. It requires 800 MB of ram and DirectX 10 graphics minimum. /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 09-12-2011 17:06 >>> Being unable to afford a Win7 phone, is that an impediment to development, or can I fake it using the IDE? Arthur On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Shamil > > Yes, I've even signed up at the App Hub: > > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/home/about/developer_registration_walkthrough > > as we received a one-year subscription in favour of the registration fee > (only ~USD18.00). > > Also, I learned that more attention should be payed to Microsoft > Expression Blend. This is an amazing design environment capable of all > sorts of web-centric graphics, including animations, and with a amazing > Windows Phone graphics designer and emulator featuring drag-n-drop design > of many things with automatic sync to and from a code window as well. You > have to work with it to believe it. Requires DirectX 10 minimum. > > It contains some additional tools/controls too, and I did see special > controls like the one for the alarm selector, but I can't remember the name > of the dlls. > > /gustav From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 10:34:34 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 11:34:34 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for that, Gustav. As it happens, I have an idea in mind for an app, which I may donate to the world (since I really don't see how to make loot from it, despite its demonstrable usefulness to a small minority of the populace). I'll grab the resources soon and knock together the first sketch of same. That prompts another question: supposing that I have everything installed to create an app, is it possible for me to send said files to you (or anyone else so equipped) so that you could load it and run it and criticize it and maybe even contribute additional modules to it? I ask this because the amount of data my app would require is huge. However, I can see this working (perhaps) in several ways: a) everything is somewhere in some cloud; b) the fifteen or twenty topics of interest can be downloaded into your phone; c) a mix of both, in which your core interests are stored in your phone, but you still have access to the whole repository, and ability to add new selections to your core interests, which causes immediate download to your phone/tablet/whatever. Without giving the whole idea away, it's an encyclopedia for engineers, construction contractors, etc. I already have created a bunch of the tables required for such an app, but I have several thousand more to go, until it's the ultimate reference. Thx, A. On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Arthur > > You can fake it - actually are expected to do so during development - > using the Windows Phone 7 Emulator (from the free SDK) which on-screen > mimics most things. It requires 800 MB of ram and DirectX 10 graphics > minimum. > > /gustav > > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 9 10:52:49 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 17:52:49 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Arthur Feel free. I think your option c) would be fine but it would depend a lot on how your data should be browsed. Data communication with WP7 is somewhat special as you will not have, say, a direct connection to an SQL Server. If I recall correctly, everything is done via web services. As you describe your app, it sounds like a pro tool that could be charged for. I mean: How many amateur construction contractors exist out there? In the Third World perhaps ...? /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 09-12-2011 17:34 >>> Thanks for that, Gustav. As it happens, I have an idea in mind for an app, which I may donate to the world (since I really don't see how to make loot from it, despite its demonstrable usefulness to a small minority of the populace). I'll grab the resources soon and knock together the first sketch of same. That prompts another question: supposing that I have everything installed to create an app, is it possible for me to send said files to you (or anyone else so equipped) so that you could load it and run it and criticize it and maybe even contribute additional modules to it? I ask this because the amount of data my app would require is huge. However, I can see this working (perhaps) in several ways: a) everything is somewhere in some cloud; b) the fifteen or twenty topics of interest can be downloaded into your phone; c) a mix of both, in which your core interests are stored in your phone, but you still have access to the whole repository, and ability to add new selections to your core interests, which causes immediate download to your phone/tablet/whatever. Without giving the whole idea away, it's an encyclopedia for engineers, construction contractors, etc. I already have created a bunch of the tables required for such an app, but I have several thousand more to go, until it's the ultimate reference. Thx, A. On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Arthur > > You can fake it - actually are expected to do so during development - > using the Windows Phone 7 Emulator (from the free SDK) which on-screen > mimics most things. It requires 800 MB of ram and DirectX 10 graphics > minimum. > > /gustav From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 11:51:49 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 12:51:49 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You have a point! Aside from students, the only other market is professionals. Point taken. I'm thinking of a $6.54 price point. It sort of rhymes. A. From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Dec 9 13:11:07 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 23:11:07 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Gustav, Ok, I will also register for App Hub. Thank you. Shamil P.S. Replied from Nokia Lumia 800 - rural area 70+ km from St.Petersburg 09 ??????? 2011, 18:37 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > Yes, I've even signed up at the App Hub: > > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/home/about/developer_registration_walkthrough > > as we received a one-year subscription in favour of the registration fee (only > ~USD18.00). > > Also, I learned that more attention should be payed to Microsoft Expression > Blend. This is an amazing design environment capable of all sorts of > web-centric graphics, including animations, and with a amazing Windows Phone > graphics designer and emulator featuring drag-n-drop design of many things > with automatic sync to and from a code window as well. You have to work with > it to believe it. Requires DirectX 10 minimum. > > It contains some additional tools/controls too, and I did see special controls > like the one for the alarm selector, but I can't remember the name of the > dlls. > > /gustav > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 09-12-2011 13:18 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Thank you for your information. > So you're ready to start your custom Windows Phone 7.5 Development? > > Did they tell how "scrolling selection" UI feature is implemented, e.g. when > you set date (selecting day, month, year) while setting a calendar > appointment? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > 09 ??????? 2011, 15:56 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > Hi all > > > > I went to the two-day course in programming Windows Phone 7. A developer > track and a UX track were offered; I picked the UX track as I found it best to > have a solid foundation here - the coding stuff is easier to pick up later. > > > > That was a good pick. The session was lead by Arturo Toledo, Sr. User > Experience Designer at Microsoft for the Windows Phone Design Studio. > > He also runs a comprehensive site which I believe contains or links to > anything you may wish to know about design for WP7: > > > > http://ux.artu.tv/ > > > > His partner was Jared Potter (Design Integration Lead) - also called the > Pixel Manager as his team approves any graphics going to the phone interface. > > > > Should you ever come across a session with either of these, do sign in. They > know just about anything about what's happening at the screen surface of a > Windows Phone, and both are men of great humour who it's a pleasure to spend > some time with. > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> Gustav at cactus.dk 02-12-2011 22:17 >>> > > Hi Shamil et al > > > > Very well! > > > > Quite often app development starts with just some sketches. I've learned > that this is called UX sketching (for User eXperience). > > > > Tools exist for this. Here is one by Sara Summers for the panorama view of > Metro: > > > > http://www.uxarray.com/2010/11/18/prototyping-sketch-sheets-wp7/ > > > > and the sheet to print and cut and draw upon: > > > http://www.uxarray.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/PaperPrototype_Sketchbook_WP7_Metro.pdf > > > > Another one by Rashid Ali is here: > > Windows Phone 7 UX Sketch Templates > > http://blog.merrycode.com/windows-phone-7-ux-sketch-templates/ > > > > The official guide is here: > > User Experience Design Guidelines for Windows Phone > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202915(v=VS.92).aspx > > > > Also, a single, full download of everything needed to get started with WP7+ > development is here: > > Windows Phone SDK 7.1 > > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27570 > > > > The Windows Phone SDK includes a major collection of software: > > > > * Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone > > * Windows Phone Emulator > > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Assemblies > > * Silverlight 4 SDK and DRT > > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Extensions for XNA Game Studio 4.0 > > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone 7 > > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone OS 7.1 > > * WCF Data Services Client for Window Phone > > * Microsoft Advertising SDK for Windows Phone > > > > Please note the upscaled system requirements. No WinXP here, and DirectX 9 > is an absolute minimum (DirectX 10 is needed for games). The 3 GB is a minimum > too, as the Windows Phone Emulator (which on-screen mimics a physical phone) > alone eats a whopping 800 MB. > > > > Note that the Ultimate ($)version of Expression Blend does feature > SketchFlow to create sketches on screen: > > > > > http://blogs.microsoft.nl/blogs/ux/archive/2011/06/16/sketchflow-for-windows-phone-the-real-one.aspx > > > > As for the Northwind.Net porting to WP7, I'll have to think about it. Some > challenge - both for the UI design as well as the database connection. Not the > first project to work with for me. > > > > Finally, don't forget the free 1000-page Microsoft Press ebook: Programming > Windows Phone 7: > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24519 > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> > > Hi All -- > > > > FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. > > > > First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) > > > > I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something > useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. > > > > One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how > well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how smooth > his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) > > > > And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this > device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself > comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but with > Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even using one > hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - the thumb > one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! > > > > I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse > Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! > > > > Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net > project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows Phone > 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a project > with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri Dec 9 13:14:34 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 11:14:34 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9FF29215-68B6-4AE3-979E-38103904348A@phulse.com> There are emulators for all platforms - android, iphone, blackberry and windows phone. Very handy when you want to experiment with a platform that you do not own or is new to you. - Hans Sent from my iPhone On 2011-12-09, at 8:18 AM, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > Hi Arthur > > You can fake it - actually are expected to do so during development - using the Windows Phone 7 Emulator (from the free SDK) which on-screen mimics most things. It requires 800 MB of ram and DirectX 10 graphics minimum. > > /gustav > > >>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 09-12-2011 17:06 >>> > Being unable to afford a Win7 phone, is that an impediment to development, > or can I fake it using the IDE? > > Arthur > > On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > >> Hi Shamil >> >> Yes, I've even signed up at the App Hub: >> >> http://create.msdn.com/en-US/home/about/developer_registration_walkthrough >> >> as we received a one-year subscription in favour of the registration fee >> (only ~USD18.00). >> >> Also, I learned that more attention should be payed to Microsoft >> Expression Blend. This is an amazing design environment capable of all >> sorts of web-centric graphics, including animations, and with a amazing >> Windows Phone graphics designer and emulator featuring drag-n-drop design >> of many things with automatic sync to and from a code window as well. You >> have to work with it to believe it. Requires DirectX 10 minimum. >> >> It contains some additional tools/controls too, and I did see special >> controls like the one for the alarm selector, but I can't remember the name >> of the dlls. >> >> /gustav > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Dec 9 14:50:25 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 00:50:25 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arthur -- You can emulate WinPhone 7 http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff402563(v=vs.92).aspx... Thank you. -- Shamil 09 ??????? 2011, 20:07 ?? Arthur Fuller : > Being unable to afford a Win7 phone, is that an impediment to development, > or can I fake it using the IDE? > > Arthur > > On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi Shamil > > > > Yes, I've even signed up at the App Hub: > > > > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/home/about/developer_registration_walkthrough > > > > as we received a one-year subscription in favour of the registration fee > > (only ~USD18.00). > > > > Also, I learned that more attention should be payed to Microsoft > > Expression Blend. This is an amazing design environment capable of all > > sorts of web-centric graphics, including animations, and with a amazing > > Windows Phone graphics designer and emulator featuring drag-n-drop design > > of many things with automatic sync to and from a code window as well. You > > have to work with it to believe it. Requires DirectX 10 minimum. > > > > It contains some additional tools/controls too, and I did see special > > controls like the one for the alarm selector, but I can't remember the name > > of the dlls. > > > > /gustav > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From gustav at cactus.dk Sun Dec 11 04:45:04 2011 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 11:45:04 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil et al Did you enjoy the footage of the launch in London on Nov. 28th of your Lumia 800 phone? One of the most ambitious projection events ever made using 16 high-power cinema video projectors to light up the 120 m tall Millbank Tower from a 300 meters distance at the other side of the river Thems - with state of the art 3D graphics joined by live music performed by DeadMau5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX2Gd-kqV5s Some background here: http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/11/29/nokia-brings-down-the-hua5-with-deadmau5/ and in the obtuse teaser video (watch closely for details): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlr6tXi7LoU /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> Hi All -- FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun Dec 11 11:08:08 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 21:08:08 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- No, I didn't. I just wanted to get WP 7.5 from Nokia as I recently have had issues with rather simple smart-phone form Samsung and I have never had any issues with Nokia phones. But I currently suppose I did make my purchase in a hurry - I didn't evaluate all the available/soon to be available options - Samsung OMNIA 7 have just been released and it's 1/3 less expensive. And I have got purchased Samsung Fit (with Android) to my kid before I have got my Nokia Lumia 800, and I must admit that Samsung Fit "toy", which is only 1/3 price of Nokia Lumia 800 impresses me and it has some features (camera, free games, even keyboard) which do outperform/look more useful/user-friendly IMO/come free comparing to my Nokia Lumia 800... Anyway, I'm "bound" to MS and so I have to adapt to what I have got :) This WP7 "Metro" (?) interface usability is questionable for me currently, and WP7 AMOLED surface sensibility is too sensible IMO - is there any way to make it less sensible till I'll get adapted to it? :) That promise to be very interesting how MS with their mobile phones manufacturing partners will get their current OS, device and its interface evolved in a more user-friendly thing as e.g. my kid's Samsung Fit with Android is now... Thank you. -- Shamil 11 ??????? 2011, 14:41 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil et al > > Did you enjoy the footage of the launch in London on Nov. 28th of your Lumia 800 phone? One of the most ambitious projection events ever made using 16 high-power cinema video projectors to light up the 120 m tall Millbank Tower from a 300 meters distance at the other side of the river Thems - with state of the art 3D graphics joined by live music performed by DeadMau5: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX2Gd-kqV5s > > Some background here: > http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/11/29/nokia-brings-down-the-hua5-with-deadmau5/ > > and in the obtuse teaser video (watch closely for details): > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlr6tXi7LoU > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> > Hi All -- > > FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From gustav at cactus.dk Sun Dec 11 11:44:50 2011 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 18:44:50 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil That's how it is. New top-level models are always quite expensive - so was my Omnia7 a year ago, today it's an "old" model more moderately priced. I don't know of a way to tighten the sensibility - you may need to join one of the hacker/flashing-forums to gain knowledge, for example: http://forum.xda-developers.com/ /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 11-12-2011 18:08 >>> Hi Gustav -- No, I didn't. I just wanted to get WP 7.5 from Nokia as I recently have had issues with rather simple smart-phone form Samsung and I have never had any issues with Nokia phones. But I currently suppose I did make my purchase in a hurry - I didn't evaluate all the available/soon to be available options - Samsung OMNIA 7 have just been released and it's 1/3 less expensive. And I have got purchased Samsung Fit (with Android) to my kid before I have got my Nokia Lumia 800, and I must admit that Samsung Fit "toy", which is only 1/3 price of Nokia Lumia 800 impresses me and it has some features (camera, free games, even keyboard) which do outperform/look more useful/user-friendly IMO/come free comparing to my Nokia Lumia 800... Anyway, I'm "bound" to MS and so I have to adapt to what I have got :) This WP7 "Metro" (?) interface usability is questionable for me currently, and WP7 AMOLED surface sensibility is too sensible IMO - is there any way to make it less sensible till I'll get adapted to it? :) That promise to be very interesting how MS with their mobile phones manufacturing partners will get their current OS, device and its interface evolved in a more user-friendly thing as e.g. my kid's Samsung Fit with Android is now... Thank you. -- Shamil 11 ??????? 2011, 14:41 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil et al > > Did you enjoy the footage of the launch in London on Nov. 28th of your Lumia 800 phone? One of the most ambitious projection events ever made using 16 high-power cinema video projectors to light up the 120 m tall Millbank Tower from a 300 meters distance at the other side of the river Thems - with state of the art 3D graphics joined by live music performed by DeadMau5: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX2Gd-kqV5s > > Some background here: > http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/11/29/nokia-brings-down-the-hua5-with-deadmau5/ > > and in the obtuse teaser video (watch closely for details): > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlr6tXi7LoU > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> > Hi All -- > > FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 14:07:09 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 15:07:09 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Control tab order in C# Message-ID: I'm just starting out, so forgive the simple question. How do I control the tab order of a collection of textBoxes within a given Windows form? TIA, Arthur -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun Dec 11 14:41:17 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 00:41:17 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Control_tab_order_in_C=23?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arthur -- With Windows form opened in design mode IDE menu entry View -> Tab Order toggles tab order setting mode - when it's 'On' you'll see the current tab order. To change tab order just click on controls in the the sequence you wanted them to be "tab ordered". Thank you. -- Shamil 12 ??????? 2011, 00:07 ?? Arthur Fuller : > I'm just starting out, so forgive the simple question. How do I control the > tab order of a collection of textBoxes within a given Windows form? > > TIA, > Arthur > > -- > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > but it's the emptiness > that makes a wheel work > -- from the Daodejing > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 07:13:00 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 08:13:00 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Control tab order in C# In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's where I expected to find it, but I don't see it there. I'm using VC# 2010 Express. Maybe it's not in that version? A. On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi Arthur -- > > With Windows form opened in design mode IDE menu entry > > View -> Tab Order > > toggles tab order setting mode - when it's 'On' you'll see the current tab > order. > To change tab order just click on controls in the the sequence you wanted > them to be "tab ordered". > > From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Mon Dec 12 08:53:28 2011 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:53:28 +0000 Subject: [dba-VB] Control tab order in C# In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you mean the tab order of a field on a form, same as usual in my version I have just installed at home, I created a form placed a textbox on t, right click, properties and you can change the tab order number there, just above the tab stop being true or false. On 12 December 2011 13:13, Arthur Fuller wrote: > That's where I expected to find it, but I don't see it there. I'm using VC# > 2010 Express. Maybe it's not in that version? > A. > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil >wrote: > > > Hi Arthur -- > > > > With Windows form opened in design mode IDE menu entry > > > > View -> Tab Order > > > > toggles tab order setting mode - when it's 'On' you'll see the current > tab > > order. > > To change tab order just click on controls in the the sequence you wanted > > them to be "tab ordered". > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 10:40:21 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:40:21 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Control tab order in C# In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ah! I'll try that in a moment. I was looking on the View menu as in Access. Thanks. Arthur On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Paul Hartland wrote: > If you mean the tab order of a field on a form, same as usual in my version > I have just installed at home, I created a form placed a textbox on t, > right click, properties and you can change the tab order number there, > just above the tab stop being true or false. > > From marklbreen at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 16:54:32 2011 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 22:54:32 +0000 Subject: [dba-VB] How to problematically (or by other automation) control an ActiveX control in IE Message-ID: Hello All, I arrived into a customer today with the intention of preparing for a project to automate a process for placing orders in an online database. The process today is that the user sits for four hours and copy and pastes from Excel into a browser. I was hoping to use Selenium to automate that. However, I was disappointed to note that the website is actually an ActiveX control running in IE. That leaves me with options such as a) using other macro software, attempt to automate the process b) find out how to programatically manipulate an ActiveX c) some other option not thought of yet. I am asking the list whether you have any advice to give? If this ActiveX has been installed on the PC and runs well, how difficult would it be to execute all the functionality it offers? I may have no documentation. Does my question even make sense? Your advice, as always, is appreciated. thanks Mark PS, Happy Birthday to Rocky From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Dec 12 17:27:08 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:27:08 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] How to problematically (or by other automation) control an ActiveX control in IE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EE68DCC.24699.DD6B17B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Two approaches which I would use in this situation: 1. Put Wireshark or similar on the PC and monitor the HTTP(S?) traffic when orders are being placed with the current system. Then you'll know exactly what needs to be sent to the online application and what responses it generates. Having done that, decide if it feasible to write another application to send and receive the same HTTP(S?) traffic. (Hint PowerBASIC is great for that sort of thing ) If that it is not feasible: - 2. Write an AutoIt application to extract the data from the spreadsheet and feed it to the ActiveX screen. -- Stuart On 12 Dec 2011 at 22:54, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello All, > > I arrived into a customer today with the intention of preparing for a > project to automate a process for placing orders in an online database. > > The process today is that the user sits for four hours and copy and pastes > from Excel into a browser. I was hoping to use Selenium to automate that. > > However, I was disappointed to note that the website is actually an ActiveX > control running in IE. > > That leaves me with options such as > > a) using other macro software, attempt to automate the process > b) find out how to programatically manipulate an ActiveX > c) some other option not thought of yet. > > I am asking the list whether you have any advice to give? If this ActiveX > has been installed on the PC and runs well, how difficult would it be to > execute all the functionality it offers? I may have no documentation. > > Does my question even make sense? > > Your advice, as always, is appreciated. > > thanks > > Mark > > PS, Happy Birthday to Rocky > _______________________________________________ > dba-SQLServer mailing list > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From fhtapia at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 12:58:06 2011 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:58:06 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] [dba-SQLServer] How to problematically (or by other automation) control an ActiveX control in IE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: First, Happy belated birthday Rocky! Second, Does the customer have control of the online database? if so the automation could just be made at the Excel spreadsheet to push out to the online db. right? if it's a 3rd party database, then automation might just be key, take a look at http://www.autohotkey.com/ we use it here to help control our touchscreen kiosk. -Francisco http://bit.ly/sqlthis | Tsql and More... On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 14:54, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello All, > > I arrived into a customer today with the intention of preparing for a > project to automate a process for placing orders in an online database. > > The process today is that the user sits for four hours and copy and pastes > from Excel into a browser. I was hoping to use Selenium to automate that. > > However, I was disappointed to note that the website is actually an ActiveX > control running in IE. > > That leaves me with options such as > > a) using other macro software, attempt to automate the process > b) find out how to programatically manipulate an ActiveX > c) some other option not thought of yet. > > I am asking the list whether you have any advice to give? If this ActiveX > has been installed on the PC and runs well, how difficult would it be to > execute all the functionality it offers? I may have no documentation. > > Does my question even make sense? > > Your advice, as always, is appreciated. > > thanks > > Mark > > PS, Happy Birthday to Rocky > _______________________________________________ > dba-SQLServer mailing list > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From fhtapia at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 13:48:34 2011 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:48:34 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] Sql Server 2008 VTF and SQL CLR Message-ID: have any of you worked with Table Valued Functions yet? I know how to create a SQL value table function in pure TSQL, but getting one to work that's built off of SQL CLR is something new entirely to me :phew: My sample here is simple, but the idea is that I'm going to be calling a webservice to collect some data. I'd like to have at least a two column table returned so that I can create labels or maybe a multi-column with the appropriate column name. here is my working code from c# and this does yield me a working returned table. As always your help is appreciated! [Microsoft.SqlServer.Server.SqlFunction(FillRowMethodName = "getFillRow", TableDefinition = "Field1 nvarchar(20)")] public static IEnumerable fngetTEST(string strSomeInput) { ArrayList myList = new ArrayList(); myList.Add("test1"); myList.Add("test2"); return new ArrayList(myList); } private static void getFillRow(object obj, out SqlString strField1 ) { strField1 = Convert.ToString(obj); } -Francisco http://bit.ly/sqlthis | Tsql and More... From fhtapia at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 18:38:03 2011 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 16:38:03 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] Sql Server 2008 VTF and SQL CLR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: this works now... working demo code: private class myRows { public SqlInt32 PKID; public SqlString strValue; public myRows(SqlInt32 pkid, SqlString strvalue) { PKID = pkid; strValue = strvalue; } } [Microsoft.SqlServer.Server.SqlFunction(FillRowMethodName = "getFillRow", TableDefinition = "pkid int,Field1 nvarchar(20)")] public static IEnumerable fngetTEST(string strSomeInput) { ArrayList myArray = new ArrayList(); myArray.Add(new myRows(0, "Field1")); myArray.Add(new myRows(1, "Field2")); myArray.Add(new myRows(2, "Field3")); myArray.Add(new myRows(3, "Field4")); return new ArrayList(myArray); } private static void getFillRow( object arrayObj, out SqlInt32 intPKID, out SqlString strField1 ) { myRows MyRows = (myRows)arrayObj; intPKID = MyRows.PKID; strField1 = MyRows.strValue; } -Francisco http://bit.ly/sqlthis | Tsql and More... On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 11:48, Francisco Tapia wrote: > have any of you worked with Table Valued Functions yet? I know how to > create a SQL value table function in pure TSQL, but getting one to work > that's built off of SQL CLR is something new entirely to me :phew: My > sample here is simple, but the idea is that I'm going to be calling a > webservice to collect some data. I'd like to have at least a two column > table returned so that I can create labels or maybe a multi-column with the > appropriate column name. > > here is my working code from c# and this does yield me a working returned > table. > > As always your help is appreciated! > > [Microsoft.SqlServer.Server.SqlFunction(FillRowMethodName = "getFillRow", > TableDefinition = "Field1 nvarchar(20)")] > public static IEnumerable fngetTEST(string strSomeInput) > { > ArrayList myList = new ArrayList(); > myList.Add("test1"); > myList.Add("test2"); > return new ArrayList(myList); > } > private static void getFillRow(object obj, > out SqlString strField1 > > ) > { > strField1 = Convert.ToString(obj); > } > > > -Francisco > http://bit.ly/sqlthis | Tsql and More... > > > > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sat Dec 17 12:28:18 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 22:28:18 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Sql_Server_2008_VTF_and_SQL_CLR?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Francisco -- Thank you for your sample code. I will put it in my code snippets. -- Shamil 17 ??????? 2011, 04:39 ?? Francisco Tapia : > this works now... > > working demo code: > > private class myRows > { > public SqlInt32 PKID; > public SqlString strValue; > > public myRows(SqlInt32 pkid, SqlString strvalue) > { > PKID = pkid; > strValue = strvalue; > } > } > [Microsoft.SqlServer.Server.SqlFunction(FillRowMethodName = > "getFillRow", > TableDefinition = "pkid int,Field1 nvarchar(20)")] > public static IEnumerable fngetTEST(string strSomeInput) > { > > ArrayList myArray = new ArrayList(); > > myArray.Add(new myRows(0, "Field1")); > myArray.Add(new myRows(1, "Field2")); > myArray.Add(new myRows(2, "Field3")); > myArray.Add(new myRows(3, "Field4")); > > return new ArrayList(myArray); > > } > private static void getFillRow( > object arrayObj, > out SqlInt32 intPKID, > out SqlString strField1 > ) > { > myRows MyRows = (myRows)arrayObj; > intPKID = MyRows.PKID; > strField1 = MyRows.strValue; > > } > > -Francisco > http://bit.ly/sqlthis | Tsql and More... > > > On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 11:48, Francisco Tapia wrote: > > > have any of you worked with Table Valued Functions yet? I know how to > > create a SQL value table function in pure TSQL, but getting one to work > > that's built off of SQL CLR is something new entirely to me :phew: My > > sample here is simple, but the idea is that I'm going to be calling a > > webservice to collect some data. I'd like to have at least a two column > > table returned so that I can create labels or maybe a multi-column with the > > appropriate column name. > > > > here is my working code from c# and this does yield me a working returned > > table. > > > > As always your help is appreciated! > > > > [Microsoft.SqlServer.Server.SqlFunction(FillRowMethodName = "getFillRow", > > TableDefinition = "Field1 nvarchar(20)")] > > public static IEnumerable fngetTEST(string strSomeInput) > > { > > ArrayList myList = new ArrayList(); > > myList.Add("test1"); > > myList.Add("test2"); > > return new ArrayList(myList); > > } > > private static void getFillRow(object obj, > > out SqlString strField1 > > > > ) > > { > > strField1 = Convert.ToString(obj); > > } > > > > > > -Francisco > > http://bit.ly/sqlthis | Tsql and More... > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From gustav at cactus.dk Sun Dec 18 07:25:34 2011 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 14:25:34 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil Finally, today I installed the latest version 7.5 Mango on our phones. Looks exiting. Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time. One, however, I've missed - a QR code reader. /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 03-12-2011 00:42 >>> Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your notes and links - I have got a few other ones (see P.S.), which allowed me to start WP7 test development I have already got all the development stuff installed and I can create WP7 solutions, build and run them in emulation mode on my PC... So we are just two here - happy owners on Windows Phone 7/7.5? Anybody else? BTW, I have given my WP7.5 to play to my son (he is 10+ years old) and to compare to his Samsung Fit with Android 2.x - and my son wasn't impressed by my WP at all :( (:) Yes, MS has to do quite a lot on this "frontline" to get kids and teens "back to Windows (Phones)". "Angry Birds", "Doodle Jump" and many other popular games are free for Android - very important option for kids. Even with 1-3USD price for "Angry Birds" and "Doodle Jump" MS risks to miss WP market for children... Have you got registered on Windows Phone Development Registration page http://create.msdn.com/en-US/ ? I'm considering registering there if it will give some additional information on WP7, if not, then I will stay unregistered till I'll get something ready to publish on that site. Registration is 99USD/year. I'm also interested will WP7.5 Internet Tethering work here in Russia with my mobile provider or not (http://www.winrumors.com/windows-phone-7-5-internet-tethering-feature-only-available-on-new-devices/) - they say this feature is opened/blocked by mobile operators. I have mobile USB modem which I use with my laptop when on the road or outside of my broadband Internet connection - if WP7 Internet Tethering will be available here then I will use it instead of USB modem... From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Dec 19 02:13:01 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:13:01 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? Thank you. -- Shamil 18 ??????? 2011, 17:21 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > Finally, today I installed the latest version 7.5 Mango on our phones. > Looks exiting. Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time. One, however, I've missed - a QR code reader. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 03-12-2011 00:42 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Thank you for your notes and links - I have got a few other ones (see P.S.), which allowed me to start WP7 test development > I have already got all the development stuff installed and I can create WP7 solutions, build and run them in emulation mode on my PC... > > So we are just two here - happy owners on Windows Phone 7/7.5? > Anybody else? > > BTW, I have given my WP7.5 to play to my son (he is 10+ years old) and to compare to his Samsung Fit with Android 2.x - and my son wasn't impressed by my WP at all :( (:) > Yes, MS has to do quite a lot on this "frontline" to get kids and teens "back to Windows (Phones)". > "Angry Birds", "Doodle Jump" and many other popular games are free for Android - very important option for kids. > Even with 1-3USD price for "Angry Birds" and "Doodle Jump" MS risks to miss WP market for children... > > Have you got registered on > > Windows Phone Development Registration page > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/ ? > > I'm considering registering there if it will give some additional information on WP7, if not, then I will stay unregistered till I'll get something ready to publish on that site. Registration is 99USD/year. > > I'm also interested will WP7.5 Internet Tethering work here in Russia with my mobile provider or not (http://www.winrumors.com/windows-phone-7-5-internet-tethering-feature-only-available-on-new-devices/) - they say this feature is opened/blocked by mobile operators. I have mobile USB modem which I use with my laptop when on the road or outside of my broadband Internet connection - if WP7 Internet Tethering will be available here then I will use it instead of USB modem... > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Dec 19 03:59:29 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 10:59:29 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil Yes, I found one (free) which reads common barcodes as EAN/UPC, PDF417, Datamatrix, as well as QR-codes: Leadtools Barcode Demo It works very well and is intended to demonstrate a SDK offered by Leadtools. /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 09:13 >>> Hi Gustav -- Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? Thank you. -- Shamil 18 ??????? 2011, 17:21 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > Finally, today I installed the latest version 7.5 Mango on our phones. > Looks exiting. Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time. One, however, I've missed - a QR code reader. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 03-12-2011 00:42 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Thank you for your notes and links - I have got a few other ones (see P.S.), which allowed me to start WP7 test development > I have already got all the development stuff installed and I can create WP7 solutions, build and run them in emulation mode on my PC... > > So we are just two here - happy owners on Windows Phone 7/7.5? > Anybody else? > > BTW, I have given my WP7.5 to play to my son (he is 10+ years old) and to compare to his Samsung Fit with Android 2.x - and my son wasn't impressed by my WP at all :( (:) > Yes, MS has to do quite a lot on this "frontline" to get kids and teens "back to Windows (Phones)". > "Angry Birds", "Doodle Jump" and many other popular games are free for Android - very important option for kids. > Even with 1-3USD price for "Angry Birds" and "Doodle Jump" MS risks to miss WP market for children... > > Have you got registered on > > Windows Phone Development Registration page > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/ ? > > I'm considering registering there if it will give some additional information on WP7, if not, then I will stay unregistered till I'll get something ready to publish on that site. Registration is 99USD/year. > > I'm also interested will WP7.5 Internet Tethering work here in Russia with my mobile provider or not (http://www.winrumors.com/windows-phone-7-5-internet-tethering-feature-only-available-on-new-devices/) - they say this feature is opened/blocked by mobile operators. I have mobile USB modem which I use with my laptop when on the road or outside of my broadband Internet connection - if WP7 Internet Tethering will be available here then I will use it instead of USB modem... > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Dec 19 05:40:29 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 15:40:29 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your reply. ? Did you try http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/search?q=Barcode%20Reader it returns a set of available programs Microsoft? Tag Reader Ratings: 564 Free Pic2shop Ratings: 98 Free QuickMark Ratings: 79 Free Butterkiss QR Scanner Ratings: 22 Free PSA barcode scanner Ratings: 66 $1.99 Barcode Reader Ratings: 12 Free Quick Reader Ratings: 78 Free NeoReader Ratings: 19Free QRCode ReaderRatings: 12 $0.99 Fun2D_QR_Code_ReaderRatings: 12 Free Barcode Scanner Ratings: 6 Free i-nigma Ratings: 6 Free QuickBarcodeReader No ratings Free Let's try to evaluate them although I must note I have not that much experience with working with barcodes and QR code. I'd be interested to find and purchase a program which will reliably and quickly read barcodes (and QR codes) , will send them to a web service (which can be defined in program settings) and gets back (maybe in another program which will run on WP7 in parallel) some information about a product/services, which barcode was scanned/shot by camera Thank you. -- Shamil 19 ??????? 2011, 13:55 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > Yes, I found one (free) which reads common barcodes as EAN/UPC, PDF417, Datamatrix, as well as QR-codes: > > Leadtools Barcode Demo > > It works very well and is intended to demonstrate a SDK offered by Leadtools. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 09:13 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". > And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > 18 ??????? 2011, 17:21 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > Hi Shamil > > > > Finally, today I installed the latest version 7.5 Mango on our phones. > > Looks exiting. Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time. One, however, I've missed - a QR code reader. > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 03-12-2011 00:42 >>> > > Hi Gustav -- > > > > Thank you for your notes and links - I have got a few other ones (see P.S.), which allowed me to start WP7 test development > > I have already got all the development stuff installed and I can create WP7 solutions, build and run them in emulation mode on my PC... > > > > So we are just two here - happy owners on Windows Phone 7/7.5? > > Anybody else? > > > > BTW, I have given my WP7.5 to play to my son (he is 10+ years old) and to compare to his Samsung Fit with Android 2.x - and my son wasn't impressed by my WP at all :( (:) > > Yes, MS has to do quite a lot on this "frontline" to get kids and teens "back to Windows (Phones)". > > "Angry Birds", "Doodle Jump" and many other popular games are free for Android - very important option for kids. > > Even with 1-3USD price for "Angry Birds" and "Doodle Jump" MS risks to miss WP market for children... > > > > Have you got registered on > > > > Windows Phone Development Registration page > > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/ ? > > > > I'm considering registering there if it will give some additional information on WP7, if not, then I will stay unregistered till I'll get something ready to publish on that site. Registration is 99USD/year. > > > > I'm also interested will WP7.5 Internet Tethering work here in Russia with my mobile provider or not (http://www.winrumors.com/windows-phone-7-5-internet-tethering-feature-only-available-on-new-devices/) - they say this feature is opened/blocked by mobile operators. I have mobile USB modem which I use with my laptop when on the road or outside of my broadband Internet connection - if WP7 Internet Tethering will be available here then I will use it instead of USB modem... > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Dec 19 06:15:03 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 13:15:03 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil No, I picked the Leadtools app because its description sounded trustworthy and it was free. As it proved to work clever and reliable, I haven't looked further. You click a code, a voice tells you if the app can read it, and next you are offered to search for the code if a barcode was found, or - if a QR-code - it just looks up the URL. Later research showed that they label themselves as "The World Leader in Imaging SDKs" which may not be false. I don't know, but the app works fine and, of course, uses their SDK for QR/barcode scanning. The SDK for Windows Phone is described here: http://www.leadtools.com/sdk/silverlight/windows-phone.htm Quite comprehensive and at a price ... cheapest package seems to be listed at USD 995 - well beyond my budget. For your purpose, custom programming is probably needed. I've seen some open-source projects for reading QR-codes and I guess you can find one as well for barcodes, but I haven't looked for such. /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 12:40 >>> Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your reply. ? Did you try http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/search?q=Barcode%20Reader it returns a set of available programs Microsoft? Tag Reader Ratings: 564 Free Pic2shop Ratings: 98 Free QuickMark Ratings: 79 Free Butterkiss QR Scanner Ratings: 22 Free PSA barcode scanner Ratings: 66 $1.99 Barcode Reader Ratings: 12 Free Quick Reader Ratings: 78 Free NeoReader Ratings: 19Free QRCode ReaderRatings: 12 $0.99 Fun2D_QR_Code_ReaderRatings: 12 Free Barcode Scanner Ratings: 6 Free i-nigma Ratings: 6 Free QuickBarcodeReader No ratings Free Let's try to evaluate them although I must note I have not that much experience with working with barcodes and QR code. I'd be interested to find and purchase a program which will reliably and quickly read barcodes (and QR codes) , will send them to a web service (which can be defined in program settings) and gets back (maybe in another program which will run on WP7 in parallel) some information about a product/services, which barcode was scanned/shot by camera Thank you. -- Shamil 19 ??????? 2011, 13:55 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > Yes, I found one (free) which reads common barcodes as EAN/UPC, PDF417, Datamatrix, as well as QR-codes: > > Leadtools Barcode Demo > > It works very well and is intended to demonstrate a SDK offered by Leadtools. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 09:13 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". > And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Dec 19 06:46:21 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 16:46:21 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your remark. I have got LeadTools Barcode Reader app installed on my WP7. Did you get managed to run its 'Live capture' feature? Any Barcode reading feature? Did you read comments here: http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/cbda342b-8fc5-4c9b-9063-079417a809e6 ? FYI: I have used LEADTools package for one of the applications for one of my customers. That was almost 10 years ago. And it was very impressive that times already. Yes, LEADTools should be reliablle ... and pricey. Yes, if you can find open source projects for bar code reading of QR-codes I'd be interested to look at it. Thank you. -- Shamil 19 ??????? 2011, 16:10 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > No, I picked the Leadtools app because its description sounded trustworthy and it was free. As it proved to work clever and reliable, I haven't looked further. > You click a code, a voice tells you if the app can read it, and next you are offered to search for the code if a barcode was found, or - if a QR-code - it just looks up the URL. > > Later research showed that they label themselves as "The World Leader in Imaging SDKs" which may not be false. I don't know, but the app works fine and, of course, uses their SDK for QR/barcode scanning. > > The SDK for Windows Phone is described here: > http://www.leadtools.com/sdk/silverlight/windows-phone.htm > > Quite comprehensive and at a price ... cheapest package seems to be listed at USD 995 - well beyond my budget. > > For your purpose, custom programming is probably needed. I've seen some open-source projects for reading QR-codes and I guess you can find one as well for barcodes, but I haven't looked for such. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 12:40 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Thank you for your reply. > > ? Did you try > > http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/search?q=Barcode%20Reader > > it returns a set of available programs > > Microsoft? Tag Reader Ratings: 564 Free > Pic2shop Ratings: 98 Free > QuickMark Ratings: 79 Free > Butterkiss QR Scanner Ratings: 22 Free > PSA barcode scanner Ratings: 66 $1.99 > Barcode Reader Ratings: 12 Free > Quick Reader Ratings: 78 Free > NeoReader Ratings: 19Free > QRCode ReaderRatings: 12 $0.99 > Fun2D_QR_Code_ReaderRatings: 12 Free > Barcode Scanner Ratings: 6 Free > i-nigma Ratings: 6 Free > QuickBarcodeReader No ratings Free > > Let's try to evaluate them although I must note I have not that much experience with working with barcodes and QR code. > > I'd be interested to find and purchase a program which will reliably and quickly read barcodes (and QR codes) , will send them to a web service (which can be defined in program settings) and gets back (maybe in another program which will run on WP7 in parallel) some information about a product/services, which barcode was scanned/shot by camera > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > 19 ??????? 2011, 13:55 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > Hi Shamil > > > > Yes, I found one (free) which reads common barcodes as EAN/UPC, PDF417, Datamatrix, as well as QR-codes: > > > > Leadtools Barcode Demo > > > > It works very well and is intended to demonstrate a SDK offered by Leadtools. > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 09:13 >>> > > Hi Gustav -- > > > > Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". > > And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Dec 19 07:05:07 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 17:05:07 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- Additional note: - LeadTools didn't work for me or I used it improperly, - Pic2Shop didn't work also but - i-nigma - http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/828c4e78-1d2b-4fd2-ad22-fde9c553e263 - worked well for flat surface printed barcodes and it even read bar code from a bottle of wine label... So I plan to remove LedTools and Pic2Shop and use i-nigma for technology demonstration purposes. Thank you. -- Shamil 19 ??????? 2011, 16:10 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > No, I picked the Leadtools app because its description sounded trustworthy and it was free. As it proved to work clever and reliable, I haven't looked further. > You click a code, a voice tells you if the app can read it, and next you are offered to search for the code if a barcode was found, or - if a QR-code - it just looks up the URL. > > Later research showed that they label themselves as "The World Leader in Imaging SDKs" which may not be false. I don't know, but the app works fine and, of course, uses their SDK for QR/barcode scanning. > > The SDK for Windows Phone is described here: > http://www.leadtools.com/sdk/silverlight/windows-phone.htm > > Quite comprehensive and at a price ... cheapest package seems to be listed at USD 995 - well beyond my budget. > > For your purpose, custom programming is probably needed. I've seen some open-source projects for reading QR-codes and I guess you can find one as well for barcodes, but I haven't looked for such. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 12:40 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Thank you for your reply. > > ? Did you try > > http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/search?q=Barcode%20Reader > > it returns a set of available programs > > Microsoft? Tag Reader Ratings: 564 Free > Pic2shop Ratings: 98 Free > QuickMark Ratings: 79 Free > Butterkiss QR Scanner Ratings: 22 Free > PSA barcode scanner Ratings: 66 $1.99 > Barcode Reader Ratings: 12 Free > Quick Reader Ratings: 78 Free > NeoReader Ratings: 19Free > QRCode ReaderRatings: 12 $0.99 > Fun2D_QR_Code_ReaderRatings: 12 Free > Barcode Scanner Ratings: 6 Free > i-nigma Ratings: 6 Free > QuickBarcodeReader No ratings Free > > Let's try to evaluate them although I must note I have not that much experience with working with barcodes and QR code. > > I'd be interested to find and purchase a program which will reliably and quickly read barcodes (and QR codes) , will send them to a web service (which can be defined in program settings) and gets back (maybe in another program which will run on WP7 in parallel) some information about a product/services, which barcode was scanned/shot by camera > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > 19 ??????? 2011, 13:55 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > Hi Shamil > > > > Yes, I found one (free) which reads common barcodes as EAN/UPC, PDF417, Datamatrix, as well as QR-codes: > > > > Leadtools Barcode Demo > > > > It works very well and is intended to demonstrate a SDK offered by Leadtools. > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 09:13 >>> > > Hi Gustav -- > > > > Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". > > And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Dec 19 13:14:39 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 23:14:39 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?jQuery_Mobile_1=2E0?= Message-ID: Hi All -- FYI: jQuery Mobile 1.0 http://jquerymobile.com/demos/1.0/? Thank you. -- Shamil? From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Dec 19 15:57:42 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 01:57:42 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- > Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of t Did you try to setup and use AppFlow? (free) http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/578ef361-c265-46b7-b6f4-63cbd7fbefe0 "Browse and discover apps in a new, engaging and beautiful way. AppFlow presents a unique way to explore the marketplace via its Lists, Discovery and Stats features." Thank you. -- Shamil 18 ??????? 2011, 17:21 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > Finally, today I installed the latest version 7.5 Mango on our phones. > Looks exiting. Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time. One, however, I've missed - a QR code reader. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 03-12-2011 00:42 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Thank you for your notes and links - I have got a few other ones (see P.S.), which allowed me to start WP7 test development > I have already got all the development stuff installed and I can create WP7 solutions, build and run them in emulation mode on my PC... > > So we are just two here - happy owners on Windows Phone 7/7.5? > Anybody else? > > BTW, I have given my WP7.5 to play to my son (he is 10+ years old) and to compare to his Samsung Fit with Android 2.x - and my son wasn't impressed by my WP at all :( (:) > Yes, MS has to do quite a lot on this "frontline" to get kids and teens "back to Windows (Phones)". > "Angry Birds", "Doodle Jump" and many other popular games are free for Android - very important option for kids. > Even with 1-3USD price for "Angry Birds" and "Doodle Jump" MS risks to miss WP market for children... > > Have you got registered on > > Windows Phone Development Registration page > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/ ? > > I'm considering registering there if it will give some additional information on WP7, if not, then I will stay unregistered till I'll get something ready to publish on that site. Registration is 99USD/year. > > I'm also interested will WP7.5 Internet Tethering work here in Russia with my mobile provider or not (http://www.winrumors.com/windows-phone-7-5-internet-tethering-feature-only-available-on-new-devices/) - they say this feature is opened/blocked by mobile operators. I have mobile USB modem which I use with my laptop when on the road or outside of my broadband Internet connection - if WP7 Internet Tethering will be available here then I will use it instead of USB modem... > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Mon Dec 19 23:58:43 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 21:58:43 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] jQuery Mobile 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <194C9F6A-82AC-4996-812C-5EF4EF228F11@phulse.com> I am a loyal jQuery fan, but jQuery Mobile still feels really slow compared to something like Sencha Touch. I was hoping they would have improved it significantly by now, but it appears that they just haven't been able to achieve as much as is necessary for a good, smooth experience. - Hans On 2011-12-19, at 11:14 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi All -- > > FYI: jQuery Mobile 1.0 > > http://jquerymobile.com/demos/1.0/ > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue Dec 20 00:18:06 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 10:18:06 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?jQuery_Mobile_1=2E0?= In-Reply-To: <194C9F6A-82AC-4996-812C-5EF4EF228F11@phulse.com> References: <194C9F6A-82AC-4996-812C-5EF4EF228F11@phulse.com> Message-ID: Hi Hans -- Thank you for your remark. I have tried on WP7 (Nokia Lumia 800) several jQuery Mobile demos from the link I've posted - and I have found it good, not perfect but good and smooth enough. I was unaware of Sencha Touch - I have found it now after your remark (http://www.sencha.com/products/touch) - I will check it. Although jQuery is a kind of "de-facto standard" JavaScript framework used even in ASP.NET ... Thank you. -- Shamil 20 ??????? 2011, 09:58 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : > I am a loyal jQuery fan, but jQuery Mobile still feels really slow compared to something like Sencha Touch. I was hoping they would have improved it significantly by now, but it appears that they just haven't been able to achieve as much as is necessary for a good, smooth experience. > > - Hans > > On 2011-12-19, at 11:14 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > > > Hi All -- > > > > FYI: jQuery Mobile 1.0 > > > > http://jquerymobile.com/demos/1.0/ > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Dec 20 00:38:27 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 22:38:27 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] jQuery Mobile 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <194C9F6A-82AC-4996-812C-5EF4EF228F11@phulse.com> Message-ID: <1C71E894-9B32-4DAD-9A2E-5092D5F65668@phulse.com> > Although jQuery is a kind of "de-facto standard" JavaScript framework used even in ASP.NET ? Agreed, but, in my case, I decided that I had to go with what felt like the best experience to a user. Hopefully they will get query on par with sencha touch, because, if they do, I will switch in a heartbeat. Give it a go. You will see what difference there is. - Hans On 2011-12-19, at 10:18 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi Hans -- > > Thank you for your remark. > > I have tried on WP7 (Nokia Lumia 800) several jQuery Mobile demos from the link I've posted - and I have found it good, not perfect but good and smooth enough. > > I was unaware of Sencha Touch - I have found it now after your remark (http://www.sencha.com/products/touch) - I will check it. > > Although jQuery is a kind of "de-facto standard" JavaScript framework used even in ASP.NET ... > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > 20 ??????? 2011, 09:58 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : >> I am a loyal jQuery fan, but jQuery Mobile still feels really slow compared to something like Sencha Touch. I was hoping they would have improved it significantly by now, but it appears that they just haven't been able to achieve as much as is necessary for a good, smooth experience. >> >> - Hans >> >> On 2011-12-19, at 11:14 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: >> >>> Hi All -- >>> >>> FYI: jQuery Mobile 1.0 >>> >>> http://jquerymobile.com/demos/1.0/ >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> -- Shamil >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-VB mailing list >>> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Dec 20 02:01:51 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 09:01:51 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil Thanks, i-nigma looks promising indeed. I'll check it out. Another reason to get hold on a bottle of wine ... /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 14:05 >>> Hi Gustav -- Additional note: - LeadTools didn't work for me or I used it improperly, - Pic2Shop didn't work also but - i-nigma - http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/828c4e78-1d2b-4fd2-ad22-fde9c553e263 - worked well for flat surface printed barcodes and it even read bar code from a bottle of wine label... So I plan to remove LedTools and Pic2Shop and use i-nigma for technology demonstration purposes. Thank you. -- Shamil 19 ??????? 2011, 16:10 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > No, I picked the Leadtools app because its description sounded trustworthy and it was free. As it proved to work clever and reliable, I haven't looked further. > You click a code, a voice tells you if the app can read it, and next you are offered to search for the code if a barcode was found, or - if a QR-code - it just looks up the URL. > > Later research showed that they label themselves as "The World Leader in Imaging SDKs" which may not be false. I don't know, but the app works fine and, of course, uses their SDK for QR/barcode scanning. > > The SDK for Windows Phone is described here: > http://www.leadtools.com/sdk/silverlight/windows-phone.htm > > Quite comprehensive and at a price ... cheapest package seems to be listed at USD 995 - well beyond my budget. > > For your purpose, custom programming is probably needed. I've seen some open-source projects for reading QR-codes and I guess you can find one as well for barcodes, but I haven't looked for such. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 12:40 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Thank you for your reply. > > ? Did you try > > http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/search?q=Barcode%20Reader > > it returns a set of available programs > > Microsoft? Tag Reader Ratings: 564 Free > Pic2shop Ratings: 98 Free > QuickMark Ratings: 79 Free > Butterkiss QR Scanner Ratings: 22 Free > PSA barcode scanner Ratings: 66 $1.99 > Barcode Reader Ratings: 12 Free > Quick Reader Ratings: 78 Free > NeoReader Ratings: 19Free > QRCode ReaderRatings: 12 $0.99 > Fun2D_QR_Code_ReaderRatings: 12 Free > Barcode Scanner Ratings: 6 Free > i-nigma Ratings: 6 Free > QuickBarcodeReader No ratings Free > > Let's try to evaluate them although I must note I have not that much experience with working with barcodes and QR code. > > I'd be interested to find and purchase a program which will reliably and quickly read barcodes (and QR codes) , will send them to a web service (which can be defined in program settings) and gets back (maybe in another program which will run on WP7 in parallel) some information about a product/services, which barcode was scanned/shot by camera > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > 19 ??????? 2011, 13:55 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > Hi Shamil > > > > Yes, I found one (free) which reads common barcodes as EAN/UPC, PDF417, Datamatrix, as well as QR-codes: > > > > Leadtools Barcode Demo > > > > It works very well and is intended to demonstrate a SDK offered by Leadtools. > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 09:13 >>> > > Hi Gustav -- > > > > Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". > > And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Dec 20 02:02:43 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 09:02:43 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil Thanks. No, I used the web page on my pc which allows for a better view of the screenshots. But this one looks very good if you only have the phone at hand. /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 22:57 >>> Hi Gustav -- > Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time Did you try to setup and use AppFlow? (free) http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/578ef361-c265-46b7-b6f4-63cbd7fbefe0 "Browse and discover apps in a new, engaging and beautiful way. AppFlow presents a unique way to explore the marketplace via its Lists, Discovery and Stats features." Thank you. -- Shamil From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue Dec 20 03:24:56 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:24:56 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav at all -- Have a look I have made a "micro research" on bar- and QR- code reading programs for WP7: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/BarCodeReaders.htm Yes, i-nigma is surely a "favorite toy" now but I didn't get setup a few programs mentioned in my research because they are not available on Russian market. The above page is a copy and paste from MS Excel worksheet. If you're interested in the published info please make a copy of it as I'm planning to remove this web page in a few days and probably publish a short note with this info on a Russian web site Thank you. -- Shamil 20 ??????? 2011, 11:57 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > Thanks, i-nigma looks promising indeed. I'll check it out. > Another reason to get hold on a bottle of wine ... > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 14:05 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Additional note: > > - LeadTools didn't work for me or I used it improperly, > - Pic2Shop didn't work also but > - i-nigma - http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/828c4e78-1d2b-4fd2-ad22-fde9c553e263 - worked well for flat surface printed barcodes and it even read bar code from a bottle of wine label... > > So I plan to remove LedTools and Pic2Shop and use i-nigma for technology demonstration purposes. > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > 19 ??????? 2011, 16:10 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > Hi Shamil > > > > No, I picked the Leadtools app because its description sounded trustworthy and it was free. As it proved to work clever and reliable, I haven't looked further. > > You click a code, a voice tells you if the app can read it, and next you are offered to search for the code if a barcode was found, or - if a QR-code - it just looks up the URL. > > > > Later research showed that they label themselves as "The World Leader in Imaging SDKs" which may not be false. I don't know, but the app works fine and, of course, uses their SDK for QR/barcode scanning. > > > > The SDK for Windows Phone is described here: > > http://www.leadtools.com/sdk/silverlight/windows-phone.htm > > > > Quite comprehensive and at a price ... cheapest package seems to be listed at USD 995 - well beyond my budget. > > > > For your purpose, custom programming is probably needed. I've seen some open-source projects for reading QR-codes and I guess you can find one as well for barcodes, but I haven't looked for such. > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 12:40 >>> > > Hi Gustav -- > > > > Thank you for your reply. > > > > ? Did you try > > > > http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/search?q=Barcode%20Reader > > > > it returns a set of available programs > > > > Microsoft? Tag Reader Ratings: 564 Free > > Pic2shop Ratings: 98 Free > > QuickMark Ratings: 79 Free > > Butterkiss QR Scanner Ratings: 22 Free > > PSA barcode scanner Ratings: 66 $1.99 > > Barcode Reader Ratings: 12 Free > > Quick Reader Ratings: 78 Free > > NeoReader Ratings: 19Free > > QRCode ReaderRatings: 12 $0.99 > > Fun2D_QR_Code_ReaderRatings: 12 Free > > Barcode Scanner Ratings: 6 Free > > i-nigma Ratings: 6 Free > > QuickBarcodeReader No ratings Free > > > > Let's try to evaluate them although I must note I have not that much experience with working with barcodes and QR code. > > > > I'd be interested to find and purchase a program which will reliably and quickly read barcodes (and QR codes) , will send them to a web service (which can be defined in program settings) and gets back (maybe in another program which will run on WP7 in parallel) some information about a product/services, which barcode was scanned/shot by camera > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > > > 19 ??????? 2011, 13:55 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > > Hi Shamil > > > > > > Yes, I found one (free) which reads common barcodes as EAN/UPC, PDF417, Datamatrix, as well as QR-codes: > > > > > > Leadtools Barcode Demo > > > > > > It works very well and is intended to demonstrate a SDK offered by Leadtools. > > > > > > /gustav > > > > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 09:13 >>> > > > Hi Gustav -- > > > > > > Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". > > > And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > -- Shamil > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Dec 20 04:34:30 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 11:34:30 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil Thanks a lot! I'll download the worksheet. As I've only tested Barcode Reader, I can add that it does read QR-code and it - at least - does work under some conditions. /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 20-12-2011 10:24 >>> Hi Gustav at all -- Have a look I have made a "micro research" on bar- and QR- code reading programs for WP7: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/BarCodeReaders.htm Yes, i-nigma is surely a "favorite toy" now but I didn't get setup a few programs mentioned in my research because they are not available on Russian market. The above page is a copy and paste from MS Excel worksheet. If you're interested in the published info please make a copy of it as I'm planning to remove this web page in a few days and probably publish a short note with this info on a Russian web site Thank you. -- Shamil From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue Dec 20 05:23:16 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 15:23:16 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?jQuery_Mobile_1=2E0?= In-Reply-To: <1C71E894-9B32-4DAD-9A2E-5092D5F65668@phulse.com> References: <1C71E894-9B32-4DAD-9A2E-5092D5F65668@phulse.com> Message-ID: Hi Hans -- I have tried to run http://dev.sencha.com/deploy/touch/examples/kitchensink/ on WP NOKIA Lumia 800 - it didn't work at all - "white screen" - completely white ans nothing else. I have then tried the same sample/demo on my kid Samsung Galaxy Fit (Android 2.x) and it worked well. Although: - on NOKIA Lumia 800 the above site root (www.sencha.com) is getting opened in mobile mode and - on Samsung Galaxy Fit in "normal browser mode" I've saved link to Sencha Touch to look at it from time to time to see when it will get working well on WP7 - it looks like the problem is with WP7's IE not (fully?) supporting HTML5? Thank you. -- Shamil 20 ??????? 2011, 10:38 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : > > > Although jQuery is a kind of "de-facto standard" JavaScript framework used even in ASP.NET ? > > Agreed, but, in my case, I decided that I had to go with what felt like the best experience to a user. Hopefully they will get query on par with sencha touch, because, if they do, I will switch in a heartbeat. Give it a go. You will see what difference there is. > > - Hans > > On 2011-12-19, at 10:18 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > > > Hi Hans -- > > > > Thank you for your remark. > > > > I have tried on WP7 (Nokia Lumia 800) several jQuery Mobile demos from the link I've posted - and I have found it good, not perfect but good and smooth enough. > > > > I was unaware of Sencha Touch - I have found it now after your remark (http://www.sencha.com/products/touch) - I will check it. > > > > Although jQuery is a kind of "de-facto standard" JavaScript framework used even in ASP.NET ... > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > > > > > 20 ??????? 2011, 09:58 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : > >> I am a loyal jQuery fan, but jQuery Mobile still feels really slow compared to something like Sencha Touch. I was hoping they would have improved it significantly by now, but it appears that they just haven't been able to achieve as much as is necessary for a good, smooth experience. > >> > >> - Hans > >> > >> On 2011-12-19, at 11:14 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > >> > >>> Hi All -- > >>> > >>> FYI: jQuery Mobile 1.0 > >>> > >>> http://jquerymobile.com/demos/1.0/ > >>> > >>> Thank you. > >>> > >>> -- Shamil > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> dba-VB mailing list > >>> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > >>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >>> > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Dec 20 09:41:57 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 07:41:57 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] jQuery Mobile 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1C71E894-9B32-4DAD-9A2E-5092D5F65668@phulse.com> Message-ID: <590AB593-2804-4380-A3E3-01A55C8EBC14@phulse.com> Hi Shamil, Oh dear. Sorry for recommending something that doesn't even work for you. :) To be honest, this is the first time anyone I know has tested Sencha Touch on a WP7 phone (you're the only person I know who has a WP7 phone), so it didn't occur to me whether ST 1.x supported that platform. I looked into it briefly now and my understanding is that WP7 support has not been there yet, due to the fact that it was based on IE7/8. However, with Sencha Touch 2.0 being released imminently and WP7 adopting IE9, that will change (or perhaps already has?). That is as much as I know. I suppose I should mention that ST is different to jQuery (Mobile) in the sense that you build things as an HTML5/CSS3 application in ST (using ExtJS as the equivalent of jQuery), rather than cobbling things together manually like you do in jQuery, so that probably explains why their WP7 support needs to be worked on. - Hans On 2011-12-20, at 3:23 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi Hans -- > > I have tried to run > > http://dev.sencha.com/deploy/touch/examples/kitchensink/ > > on WP NOKIA Lumia 800 - it didn't work at all - "white screen" - completely white ans nothing else. > > I have then tried the same sample/demo on my kid Samsung Galaxy Fit (Android 2.x) and it worked well. > > Although: > > - on NOKIA Lumia 800 the above site root (www.sencha.com) is getting opened in mobile mode and > - on Samsung Galaxy Fit in "normal browser mode" > > I've saved link to Sencha Touch to look at it from time to time to see when it will get working well on WP7 - it looks like the problem is with WP7's IE not (fully?) supporting HTML5? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > 20 ??????? 2011, 10:38 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : >> >>> Although jQuery is a kind of "de-facto standard" JavaScript framework used even in ASP.NET ? >> >> Agreed, but, in my case, I decided that I had to go with what felt like the best experience to a user. Hopefully they will get query on par with sencha touch, because, if they do, I will switch in a heartbeat. Give it a go. You will see what difference there is. >> >> - Hans >> >> On 2011-12-19, at 10:18 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: >> >>> Hi Hans -- >>> >>> Thank you for your remark. >>> >>> I have tried on WP7 (Nokia Lumia 800) several jQuery Mobile demos from the link I've posted - and I have found it good, not perfect but good and smooth enough. >>> >>> I was unaware of Sencha Touch - I have found it now after your remark (http://www.sencha.com/products/touch) - I will check it. >>> >>> Although jQuery is a kind of "de-facto standard" JavaScript framework used even in ASP.NET ... >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> -- Shamil >>> >>> >>> 20 ??????? 2011, 09:58 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : >>>> I am a loyal jQuery fan, but jQuery Mobile still feels really slow compared to something like Sencha Touch. I was hoping they would have improved it significantly by now, but it appears that they just haven't been able to achieve as much as is necessary for a good, smooth experience. >>>> >>>> - Hans >>>> >>>> On 2011-12-19, at 11:14 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi All -- >>>>> >>>>> FYI: jQuery Mobile 1.0 >>>>> >>>>> http://jquerymobile.com/demos/1.0/ >>>>> >>>>> Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> -- Shamil >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> dba-VB mailing list >>>>> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >>>>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-VB mailing list >>> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Dec 28 14:20:35 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 15:20:35 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] but does it run... Message-ID: <4EFB7A13.8040003@colbyconsulting.com> http://www.raspberrypi.org/ They are apparently close to production. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Dec 28 14:36:42 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 12:36:42 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] but does it run... In-Reply-To: <4EFB7A13.8040003@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EFB7A13.8040003@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4BF6A99969CC41F4A00FB89BE229A109@creativesystemdesigns.com> By all comments it does in fact run and run well. Nothing fancy for $25 but it works. :-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:21 PM To: Paul Hollar; VBA; Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [dba-VB] but does it run... http://www.raspberrypi.org/ They are apparently close to production. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Dec 28 14:42:55 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 12:42:55 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] So what is super hot in the tech world? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <049D77D9530A404F9C1B51EBD72D5BE5@creativesystemdesigns.com> You have to look no further than the NoSQL super database called Hadoop. Development in this product has been drawing the best and the brightest from all over the computer world. With databases now exceeded 100 million records the SQL structured DBs no longer functions well in this new environment. http://tinyurl.com/d28d3r6 Jim From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Dec 28 15:55:19 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:55:19 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] So what is super hot in the tech world? In-Reply-To: <049D77D9530A404F9C1B51EBD72D5BE5@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: , <049D77D9530A404F9C1B51EBD72D5BE5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4EFB9047.14178.47C997D4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Yada, yada, yada. Still evangelising I see :-) 100 million records is not per se a problem for a SQL structured DB. No matter how many times people claim that it is, NoSQL is NOT a replacement for SQL, NoSQL is just a group of solutions to manage types of data that SQL is not ideal for. You might just as well say: With images exceeding several megabytes in size, NoAccess is much better than Access for manipulating graphic data. Take for instance the NoAcess super application called PhotoShop. -- Stuart On 28 Dec 2011 at 12:42, Jim Lawrence wrote: > You have to look no further than the NoSQL super database called Hadoop. > Development in this product has been drawing the best and the brightest from > all over the computer world. > > With databases now exceeded 100 million records the SQL structured DBs no > longer functions well in this new environment. > > http://tinyurl.com/d28d3r6 > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Dec 28 16:20:26 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 14:20:26 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] So what is super hot in the tech world? In-Reply-To: <4EFB9047.14178.47C997D4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <049D77D9530A404F9C1B51EBD72D5BE5@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4EFB9047.14178.47C997D4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <2033A8BCA1D44F779154FFE8778189B1@creativesystemdesigns.com> It does not matter what you or I think, it what is important and real. That what is super hot in the computer business is Hadoop. I may never use the product other than to play with but we have to keep abreast on the market trends. The difference between NoSQL and SQL databases is like Mya and Photoshop...one processes thousands of images and one, just one image at a time. We may never need anything more than Photoshop but for those in the image and movie business, Mya is one of the products of choice. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 1:55 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'; 'Discussion concerning MS SQL Server' Subject: Re: [dba-VB] So what is super hot in the tech world? Yada, yada, yada. Still evangelising I see :-) 100 million records is not per se a problem for a SQL structured DB. No matter how many times people claim that it is, NoSQL is NOT a replacement for SQL, NoSQL is just a group of solutions to manage types of data that SQL is not ideal for. You might just as well say: With images exceeding several megabytes in size, NoAccess is much better than Access for manipulating graphic data. Take for instance the NoAcess super application called PhotoShop. -- Stuart On 28 Dec 2011 at 12:42, Jim Lawrence wrote: > You have to look no further than the NoSQL super database called Hadoop. > Development in this product has been drawing the best and the brightest from > all over the computer world. > > With databases now exceeded 100 million records the SQL structured DBs no > longer functions well in this new environment. > > http://tinyurl.com/d28d3r6 > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From michael at ddisolutions.com.au Thu Dec 1 01:07:47 2011 From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 18:07:47 +1100 Subject: [dba-VB] vb.net vs c#.net References: <20111130221947.DPTS28897.mta02.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz>, , <4ED6FDE3.14088.38C4BD1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <99266C61B516644D9727F983FAFAB46511B8F7@remote.ddisolutions.com.au> I haven't noticed any elitism personally. Clients do seem to be aware of C# though. I started using VB.net in the early days but changed to C# because I was still supporting VB6 apps at the time. I just found myself getting confused ;-) I now would never consider starting a new project in VB.net unless it was specifically required. { Do seem to make your code neater } Cheers Michael M Don't forget the curly brackets - go to have lots of loverly curly brackets too :-) -- Stuart On 30 Nov 2011 at 17:51, Arthur Fuller wrote: > IME, I have observed the elitist preference for C# in the marketplace, > and the dimunition of Vb.NET in the same marketplace. There are a few > differences, AFICS, but there are translators to overcome this. That > said, almost all that is required to move from VB to C# is a bunch of > semi-colons. But the marketplace seems to regard these as worth at > least > $20 an hour more income. So I have dived into C#. Most of the > transition has proved trivial. > > A. > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2102/4049 - Release Date: 11/30/11 From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Dec 1 03:05:36 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 13:05:36 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?vb=2Enet_vs_c=23=2Enet?= In-Reply-To: <20111130221947.DPTS28897.mta02.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz> References: <20111130221947.DPTS28897.mta02.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz> Message-ID: Hi David -- I do use C#. I have made one large VB.NET training project when transitioning to .NET development but after that (that was VS2003?) I have switched to C# development and I'm using it today... As David noted C# syntax is close to Java and I used to port some Java code to C# when there was no C# samples available. That was easy. But that "syntactical closeness" wasn't my main reason to use primarily C# in .NET development. BTW, when you're getting fluent with C# then using VB.NET and VBA becomes an issue (at least for me and that happens after 10+ years of using VBA/VB6 in development) - I mean being "bilingual" C# and VB.NET requires IMO constant everyday usage of both languages, if you'll just use one of them then using another would result in some coding slow down - several days until you'll get on speed again.... I personally do not see any reasons to be bilingual C# and VB.NET in real life projects development... And getting fluent with C# would let you to try to get on speed with C++(/CLI) development, which together with WinRT promise to be one of the main development languages on Windows Phone/Windows Metro Style "development arena"... Thank you. -- Shamil 01 ??????? 2011, 02:20 ?? David Emerson : > Just out of curiosity, a comment I read recently was that 99% of .net > programmers seem to be using c#. > > As far as this group goes: > > What are peoples preferences? > > What do you do most of your development work in? > > Regards > > David Emerson > Dalyn Software Ltd > Wellington, New Zealand > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From jeff.developer at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 10:22:18 2011 From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff B) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 10:22:18 -0600 Subject: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET In-Reply-To: References: <003001cca076$20a08e80$61e1ab80$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004201ccb045$6618e000$324aa000$@gmail.com> Hey Doug, Thanks for the help and sample code. I decided to follow your example and store the sig as a jpg image in a folder. Now, I need to ask you what you did with the signatures, and how? Jeff Barrows MCP, MCAD, MCSD ? Outbak Technologies, LLC Racine, WI jeff.developer at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:04 AM To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET Hi Jeff: We just use SuperSignature as they suggested - to save a file to a folder on the server. But I do retrieve the signature data first as a System.Drawing.Bitmap, then convert it to a jpg and save it. I assume that you could write the Bitmap to a blob field in SQL. Sorry, the code is C#: // signature is returned as bitmap if no path specified System.Drawing.Bitmap BM = ctlSignature.SaveSignature(""); if (!ctlSignature.SignHasError) { // Save the image in JPEG format. BM.Save(Server.MapPath("~/sigs/sign.jpg"), System.Drawing.Imaging.ImageFormat.Jpeg); } else { Response.Write("Error:" + ctlSignature.SignInternalError); } Hope this helps! Doug On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Jeff B wrote: > OK, I guess I need to add some more information. > > We purchased a signature control from WebSignatureCapture. When I > discovered that their control would not work for our site, they > referred me to their sister-site, SuperSignature. > > I have worked with their support team as I could not get the signature > box to show up on the published site, (it was a VS 2010 issue). > > It now appears that things are working ok, but I want to verify that > the image is actually being stored in SQL, and I am currently having > issues retrieving the image from SQL. Does anyone have some code they > are willing to share that retrieves images? And the code you use to > store it? (if I am not asking for too much?) > > > Jeff Barrows > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > Racine, WI > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:01 PM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > I did this for a client's app (in C#). We went with SuperSignature: > > http://www.supersignature.com/ > > If I remember, SuperSignature had a lot fewer options than > RealSignature, but did what we wanted (simple signature capture on a > web app focused on iPhone use) and was considerably cheaper. > > Their copy protection is a little quirky, but their tech support was > helpful. > > Doug > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:37 PM, David McAfee > wrote: > > > My coworker is doing that very same thing, but I believe in C#. > > > > This is where he went for the custom control: realsignature.com > > > > He said it includes the license file. > > > > It looks like they have VB.Net samples on their site. > > > > HTH, > > David > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Jeff B > wrote: > > > > > Does anyone here have experience writing web pages in ASP.NET that > > require > > > online signatures? I have a website ALMOST finished that needs > > > users to sign on an iPad and I need to capture the signature, save > > > it into an SQL Server 2005 database, and extract the signature > > > back out > to a PDF. > > > > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > > Racine, WI > > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbdoug at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 10:46:50 2011 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 08:46:50 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET In-Reply-To: <004201ccb045$6618e000$324aa000$@gmail.com> References: <003001cca076$20a08e80$61e1ab80$@gmail.com> <004201ccb045$6618e000$324aa000$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Jeff: The customer signatures were collected by the iPhone web app as part of a work order tracking system. The work order number was the start of the signature file name. The main processing was done back at the office with an Access database. When a work order was being processed, the office user could check the signature (pulled into an imagebox on the edit screen), and when the invoice was printed, the signature was printed with it. I kept the signature files separate from the Access data file partly to keep the bloat down to a minimum. Doug On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Jeff B wrote: > Hey Doug, > > Thanks for the help and sample code. I decided to follow your example and > store the sig as a jpg image in a folder. Now, I need to ask you what you > did with the signatures, and how? > > Jeff Barrows > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > Racine, WI > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:04 AM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > Hi Jeff: > > We just use SuperSignature as they suggested - to save a file to a folder > on > the server. But I do retrieve the signature data first as a > System.Drawing.Bitmap, then convert it to a jpg and save it. I assume that > you could write the Bitmap to a blob field in SQL. Sorry, the code is C#: > > // signature is returned as bitmap if no path specified > System.Drawing.Bitmap BM = ctlSignature.SaveSignature(""); > if (!ctlSignature.SignHasError) > { > // Save the image in JPEG format. > BM.Save(Server.MapPath("~/sigs/sign.jpg"), > System.Drawing.Imaging.ImageFormat.Jpeg); > } > else > { > Response.Write("Error:" + ctlSignature.SignInternalError); > } > > Hope this helps! > Doug > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Jeff B wrote: > > > OK, I guess I need to add some more information. > > > > We purchased a signature control from WebSignatureCapture. When I > > discovered that their control would not work for our site, they > > referred me to their sister-site, SuperSignature. > > > > I have worked with their support team as I could not get the signature > > box to show up on the published site, (it was a VS 2010 issue). > > > > It now appears that things are working ok, but I want to verify that > > the image is actually being stored in SQL, and I am currently having > > issues retrieving the image from SQL. Does anyone have some code they > > are willing to share that retrieves images? And the code you use to > > store it? (if I am not asking for too much?) > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > Racine, WI > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:01 PM > > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > > > I did this for a client's app (in C#). We went with SuperSignature: > > > > http://www.supersignature.com/ > > > > If I remember, SuperSignature had a lot fewer options than > > RealSignature, but did what we wanted (simple signature capture on a > > web app focused on iPhone use) and was considerably cheaper. > > > > Their copy protection is a little quirky, but their tech support was > > helpful. > > > > Doug > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:37 PM, David McAfee > > wrote: > > > > > My coworker is doing that very same thing, but I believe in C#. > > > > > > This is where he went for the custom control: realsignature.com > > > > > > He said it includes the license file. > > > > > > It looks like they have VB.Net samples on their site. > > > > > > HTH, > > > David > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Jeff B > > wrote: > > > > > > > Does anyone here have experience writing web pages in ASP.NET that > > > require > > > > online signatures? I have a website ALMOST finished that needs > > > > users to sign on an iPad and I need to capture the signature, save > > > > it into an SQL Server 2005 database, and extract the signature > > > > back out > > to a PDF. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > > > Racine, WI > > > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From jeff.developer at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 11:05:18 2011 From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff B) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:05:18 -0600 Subject: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET In-Reply-To: References: <003001cca076$20a08e80$61e1ab80$@gmail.com> <004201ccb045$6618e000$324aa000$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004601ccb04b$67e79dd0$37b6d970$@gmail.com> Right, but what I am trying to figure out is how to pull the image up and add it to the report. Jeff Barrows MCP, MCAD, MCSD ? Outbak Technologies, LLC Racine, WI jeff.developer at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 10:47 AM To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET Hi Jeff: The customer signatures were collected by the iPhone web app as part of a work order tracking system. The work order number was the start of the signature file name. The main processing was done back at the office with an Access database. When a work order was being processed, the office user could check the signature (pulled into an imagebox on the edit screen), and when the invoice was printed, the signature was printed with it. I kept the signature files separate from the Access data file partly to keep the bloat down to a minimum. Doug On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Jeff B wrote: > Hey Doug, > > Thanks for the help and sample code. I decided to follow your example > and store the sig as a jpg image in a folder. Now, I need to ask you > what you did with the signatures, and how? > > Jeff Barrows > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > Racine, WI > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:04 AM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > Hi Jeff: > > We just use SuperSignature as they suggested - to save a file to a > folder on the server. But I do retrieve the signature data first as a > System.Drawing.Bitmap, then convert it to a jpg and save it. I assume > that you could write the Bitmap to a blob field in SQL. Sorry, the code is C#: > > // signature is returned as bitmap if no path specified > System.Drawing.Bitmap BM = ctlSignature.SaveSignature(""); > if (!ctlSignature.SignHasError) > { > // Save the image in JPEG format. > BM.Save(Server.MapPath("~/sigs/sign.jpg"), > System.Drawing.Imaging.ImageFormat.Jpeg); > } > else > { > Response.Write("Error:" + ctlSignature.SignInternalError); > } > > Hope this helps! > Doug > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Jeff B wrote: > > > OK, I guess I need to add some more information. > > > > We purchased a signature control from WebSignatureCapture. When I > > discovered that their control would not work for our site, they > > referred me to their sister-site, SuperSignature. > > > > I have worked with their support team as I could not get the > > signature box to show up on the published site, (it was a VS 2010 issue). > > > > It now appears that things are working ok, but I want to verify that > > the image is actually being stored in SQL, and I am currently having > > issues retrieving the image from SQL. Does anyone have some code > > they are willing to share that retrieves images? And the code you > > use to store it? (if I am not asking for too much?) > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > Racine, WI > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug > > Steele > > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:01 PM > > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > > > I did this for a client's app (in C#). We went with SuperSignature: > > > > http://www.supersignature.com/ > > > > If I remember, SuperSignature had a lot fewer options than > > RealSignature, but did what we wanted (simple signature capture on a > > web app focused on iPhone use) and was considerably cheaper. > > > > Their copy protection is a little quirky, but their tech support was > > helpful. > > > > Doug > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:37 PM, David McAfee > > > > wrote: > > > > > My coworker is doing that very same thing, but I believe in C#. > > > > > > This is where he went for the custom control: realsignature.com > > > > > > He said it includes the license file. > > > > > > It looks like they have VB.Net samples on their site. > > > > > > HTH, > > > David > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Jeff B > > wrote: > > > > > > > Does anyone here have experience writing web pages in ASP.NET > > > > that > > > require > > > > online signatures? I have a website ALMOST finished that needs > > > > users to sign on an iPad and I need to capture the signature, > > > > save it into an SQL Server 2005 database, and extract the > > > > signature back out > > to a PDF. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > > > Racine, WI > > > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbdoug at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 11:08:24 2011 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 09:08:24 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET In-Reply-To: <004601ccb04b$67e79dd0$37b6d970$@gmail.com> References: <003001cca076$20a08e80$61e1ab80$@gmail.com> <004201ccb045$6618e000$324aa000$@gmail.com> <004601ccb04b$67e79dd0$37b6d970$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sorry, neither of the ASP.Net apps I've written involved any reporting. In Access at least, all you have to do is have an image box on the report then set the source of the image box to the path of the signature file when the report section loads. Doug On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Jeff B wrote: > Right, but what I am trying to figure out is how to pull the image up and > add it to the report. > > Jeff Barrows > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > Racine, WI > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 10:47 AM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > Hi Jeff: > > The customer signatures were collected by the iPhone web app as part of a > work order tracking system. The work order number was the start of the > signature file name. The main processing was done back at the office with > an > Access database. When a work order was being processed, the office user > could check the signature (pulled into an imagebox on the edit screen), and > when the invoice was printed, the signature was printed with it. > > I kept the signature files separate from the Access data file partly to > keep > the bloat down to a minimum. > > Doug > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Jeff B wrote: > > > Hey Doug, > > > > Thanks for the help and sample code. I decided to follow your example > > and store the sig as a jpg image in a folder. Now, I need to ask you > > what you did with the signatures, and how? > > > > Jeff Barrows > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > Racine, WI > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:04 AM > > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > > > Hi Jeff: > > > > We just use SuperSignature as they suggested - to save a file to a > > folder on the server. But I do retrieve the signature data first as a > > System.Drawing.Bitmap, then convert it to a jpg and save it. I assume > > that you could write the Bitmap to a blob field in SQL. Sorry, the code > is C#: > > > > // signature is returned as bitmap if no path specified > > System.Drawing.Bitmap BM = ctlSignature.SaveSignature(""); > > if (!ctlSignature.SignHasError) > > { > > // Save the image in JPEG format. > > BM.Save(Server.MapPath("~/sigs/sign.jpg"), > > System.Drawing.Imaging.ImageFormat.Jpeg); > > } > > else > > { > > Response.Write("Error:" + ctlSignature.SignInternalError); > > } > > > > Hope this helps! > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Jeff B > wrote: > > > > > OK, I guess I need to add some more information. > > > > > > We purchased a signature control from WebSignatureCapture. When I > > > discovered that their control would not work for our site, they > > > referred me to their sister-site, SuperSignature. > > > > > > I have worked with their support team as I could not get the > > > signature box to show up on the published site, (it was a VS 2010 > issue). > > > > > > It now appears that things are working ok, but I want to verify that > > > the image is actually being stored in SQL, and I am currently having > > > issues retrieving the image from SQL. Does anyone have some code > > > they are willing to share that retrieves images? And the code you > > > use to store it? (if I am not asking for too much?) > > > > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > > Racine, WI > > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug > > > Steele > > > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:01 PM > > > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > > > > > I did this for a client's app (in C#). We went with SuperSignature: > > > > > > http://www.supersignature.com/ > > > > > > If I remember, SuperSignature had a lot fewer options than > > > RealSignature, but did what we wanted (simple signature capture on a > > > web app focused on iPhone use) and was considerably cheaper. > > > > > > Their copy protection is a little quirky, but their tech support was > > > helpful. > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:37 PM, David McAfee > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > My coworker is doing that very same thing, but I believe in C#. > > > > > > > > This is where he went for the custom control: realsignature.com > > > > > > > > He said it includes the license file. > > > > > > > > It looks like they have VB.Net samples on their site. > > > > > > > > HTH, > > > > David > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Jeff B > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Does anyone here have experience writing web pages in ASP.NET > > > > > that > > > > require > > > > > online signatures? I have a website ALMOST finished that needs > > > > > users to sign on an iPad and I need to capture the signature, > > > > > save it into an SQL Server 2005 database, and extract the > > > > > signature back out > > > to a PDF. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > > > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > > > > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > > > > Racine, WI > > > > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From jeff.developer at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 11:16:39 2011 From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff B) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:16:39 -0600 Subject: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET In-Reply-To: References: <003001cca076$20a08e80$61e1ab80$@gmail.com> <004201ccb045$6618e000$324aa000$@gmail.com> <004601ccb04b$67e79dd0$37b6d970$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004701ccb04c$fd9930e0$f8cb92a0$@gmail.com> Ok, thanks for your help! Jeff Barrows MCP, MCAD, MCSD ? Outbak Technologies, LLC Racine, WI jeff.developer at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 11:08 AM To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET Sorry, neither of the ASP.Net apps I've written involved any reporting. In Access at least, all you have to do is have an image box on the report then set the source of the image box to the path of the signature file when the report section loads. Doug On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Jeff B wrote: > Right, but what I am trying to figure out is how to pull the image up > and add it to the report. > > Jeff Barrows > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > Racine, WI > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 10:47 AM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > Hi Jeff: > > The customer signatures were collected by the iPhone web app as part > of a work order tracking system. The work order number was the start > of the signature file name. The main processing was done back at the > office with an Access database. When a work order was being > processed, the office user could check the signature (pulled into an > imagebox on the edit screen), and when the invoice was printed, the > signature was printed with it. > > I kept the signature files separate from the Access data file partly > to keep the bloat down to a minimum. > > Doug > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Jeff B wrote: > > > Hey Doug, > > > > Thanks for the help and sample code. I decided to follow your > > example and store the sig as a jpg image in a folder. Now, I need > > to ask you what you did with the signatures, and how? > > > > Jeff Barrows > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > Racine, WI > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug > > Steele > > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:04 AM > > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > > > Hi Jeff: > > > > We just use SuperSignature as they suggested - to save a file to a > > folder on the server. But I do retrieve the signature data first as > > a System.Drawing.Bitmap, then convert it to a jpg and save it. I > > assume that you could write the Bitmap to a blob field in SQL. > > Sorry, the code > is C#: > > > > // signature is returned as bitmap if no path specified > > System.Drawing.Bitmap BM = ctlSignature.SaveSignature(""); > > if (!ctlSignature.SignHasError) > > { > > // Save the image in JPEG format. > > BM.Save(Server.MapPath("~/sigs/sign.jpg"), > > System.Drawing.Imaging.ImageFormat.Jpeg); > > } > > else > > { > > Response.Write("Error:" + ctlSignature.SignInternalError); > > } > > > > Hope this helps! > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Jeff B > wrote: > > > > > OK, I guess I need to add some more information. > > > > > > We purchased a signature control from WebSignatureCapture. When I > > > discovered that their control would not work for our site, they > > > referred me to their sister-site, SuperSignature. > > > > > > I have worked with their support team as I could not get the > > > signature box to show up on the published site, (it was a VS 2010 > issue). > > > > > > It now appears that things are working ok, but I want to verify > > > that the image is actually being stored in SQL, and I am currently > > > having issues retrieving the image from SQL. Does anyone have > > > some code they are willing to share that retrieves images? And > > > the code you use to store it? (if I am not asking for too much?) > > > > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > > Racine, WI > > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug > > > Steele > > > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:01 PM > > > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > > > > > I did this for a client's app (in C#). We went with SuperSignature: > > > > > > http://www.supersignature.com/ > > > > > > If I remember, SuperSignature had a lot fewer options than > > > RealSignature, but did what we wanted (simple signature capture on > > > a web app focused on iPhone use) and was considerably cheaper. > > > > > > Their copy protection is a little quirky, but their tech support > > > was helpful. > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:37 PM, David McAfee > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > My coworker is doing that very same thing, but I believe in C#. > > > > > > > > This is where he went for the custom control: realsignature.com > > > > > > > > He said it includes the license file. > > > > > > > > It looks like they have VB.Net samples on their site. > > > > > > > > HTH, > > > > David > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Jeff B > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Does anyone here have experience writing web pages in ASP.NET > > > > > that > > > > require > > > > > online signatures? I have a website ALMOST finished that > > > > > needs users to sign on an iPad and I need to capture the > > > > > signature, save it into an SQL Server 2005 database, and > > > > > extract the signature back out > > > to a PDF. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > > > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > > > > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > > > > Racine, WI > > > > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Dec 1 18:11:29 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 04:11:29 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= Message-ID: Hi All -- FYI:? I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how smooth his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but with Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even using one hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - the thumb one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows Phone 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a project with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? Thank you. -- Shamil From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 2 15:17:52 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 22:17:52 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil et al Very well! Quite often app development starts with just some sketches. I've learned that this is called UX sketching (for User eXperience). Tools exist for this. Here is one by Sara Summers for the panorama view of Metro: http://www.uxarray.com/2010/11/18/prototyping-sketch-sheets-wp7/ and the sheet to print and cut and draw upon: http://www.uxarray.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/PaperPrototype_Sketchbook_WP7_Metro.pdf Another one by Rashid Ali is here: Windows Phone 7 UX Sketch Templates http://blog.merrycode.com/windows-phone-7-ux-sketch-templates/ The official guide is here: User Experience Design Guidelines for Windows Phone http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202915(v=VS.92).aspx Also, a single, full download of everything needed to get started with WP7+ development is here: Windows Phone SDK 7.1 http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27570 The Windows Phone SDK includes a major collection of software: * Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone * Windows Phone Emulator * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Assemblies * Silverlight 4 SDK and DRT * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Extensions for XNA Game Studio 4.0 * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone 7 * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone OS 7.1 * WCF Data Services Client for Window Phone * Microsoft Advertising SDK for Windows Phone Please note the upscaled system requirements. No WinXP here, and DirectX 9 is an absolute minimum (DirectX 10 is needed for games). The 3 GB is a minimum too, as the Windows Phone Emulator (which on-screen mimics a physical phone) alone eats a whopping 800 MB. Note that the Ultimate ($)version of Expression Blend does feature SketchFlow to create sketches on screen: http://blogs.microsoft.nl/blogs/ux/archive/2011/06/16/sketchflow-for-windows-phone-the-real-one.aspx As for the Northwind.Net porting to WP7, I'll have to think about it. Some challenge - both for the UI design as well as the database connection. Not the first project to work with for me. Finally, don't forget the free 1000-page Microsoft Press ebook: Programming Windows Phone 7: http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24519 /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> Hi All -- FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how smooth his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but with Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even using one hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - the thumb one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows Phone 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a project with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? Thank you. -- Shamil From dbdoug at gmail.com Fri Dec 2 15:27:39 2011 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 13:27:39 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wow! Thanks, Gustav Doug On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Shamil et al > > Very well! > > Quite often app development starts with just some sketches. I've learned > that this is called UX sketching (for User eXperience). > > Tools exist for this. Here is one by Sara Summers for the panorama view of > Metro: > > http://www.uxarray.com/2010/11/18/prototyping-sketch-sheets-wp7/ > > and the sheet to print and cut and draw upon: > > http://www.uxarray.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/PaperPrototype_Sketchbook_WP7_Metro.pdf > > Another one by Rashid Ali is here: > Windows Phone 7 UX Sketch Templates > http://blog.merrycode.com/windows-phone-7-ux-sketch-templates/ > > The official guide is here: > User Experience Design Guidelines for Windows Phone > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202915(v=VS.92).aspx > > > Also, a single, full download of everything needed to get started with > WP7+ development is here: > Windows Phone SDK 7.1 > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27570 > > The Windows Phone SDK includes a major collection of software: > > * Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone > * Windows Phone Emulator > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Assemblies > * Silverlight 4 SDK and DRT > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Extensions for XNA Game Studio 4.0 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone 7 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone OS 7.1 > * WCF Data Services Client for Window Phone > * Microsoft Advertising SDK for Windows Phone > > Please note the upscaled system requirements. No WinXP here, and DirectX 9 > is an absolute minimum (DirectX 10 is needed for games). The 3 GB is a > minimum too, as the Windows Phone Emulator (which on-screen mimics a > physical phone) alone eats a whopping 800 MB. > > Note that the Ultimate ($)version of Expression Blend does feature > SketchFlow to create sketches on screen: > > > http://blogs.microsoft.nl/blogs/ux/archive/2011/06/16/sketchflow-for-windows-phone-the-real-one.aspx > > > As for the Northwind.Net porting to WP7, I'll have to think about it. Some > challenge - both for the UI design as well as the database connection. Not > the first project to work with for me. > > > Finally, don't forget the free 1000-page Microsoft Press ebook: > Programming Windows Phone 7: > > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24519 > > /gustav > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> > Hi All -- > > FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. > > First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) > > I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something > useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. > > One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how > well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how > smooth his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) > > And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this > device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself > comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but > with Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even > using one hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - > the thumb one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! > > I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse > Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! > > Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net > project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows > Phone 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a > project with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Dec 2 17:42:26 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 03:42:26 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your notes and links - I have got a few other ones (see P.S.), which allowed me to start WP7 test development I have already got all the development stuff installed and I can create WP7 solutions, build and run them in emulation mode on my PC... So we are just two here - happy owners on Windows Phone 7/7.5? Anybody else? BTW, I have given my WP7.5 to play to my son (he is 10+ years old) and to compare to his Samsung Fit with Android 2.x - and my son wasn't impressed by my WP at all :( (:) Yes, MS has to do quite a lot on this "frontline" to get kids and teens "back to Windows (Phones)". "Angry Birds", "Doodle Jump" and many other popular games are free for Android - very important option for kids. Even with 1-3USD price for "Angry Birds" and "Doodle Jump" MS risks to miss WP market for children... Have you got registered on Windows Phone Development Registration page http://create.msdn.com/en-US/ ? I'm considering registering there if it will give some additional information on WP7, if not, then I will stay unregistered till I'll get something ready to publish on that site. Registration is 99USD/year. I'm also interested will WP7.5 Internet Tethering work here in Russia with my mobile provider or not (http://www.winrumors.com/windows-phone-7-5-internet-tethering-feature-only-available-on-new-devices/) - they say this feature is opened/blocked by mobile operators. I have mobile USB modem which I use with my laptop when on the road or outside of my broadband Internet connection - if WP7 Internet Tethering will be available here then I will use it instead of USB modem... As for Northwind.WP7 - I do not plan to make it having "fancy graphics" interface - I plan to use the basic Silverlight controls for this interface - the main challenges I see currently are: - 1) to make it working and looking well in both portrait and landscape layouts; - 2) to simulate combo-box selection by using Silverlight list control - as e.g. it's done in WP7 "Alarm clock" application when selecting date or time - have you seen any samples presenting this UI development technique? - 3) to make reports by using grid controls hosting other controls; And I do not plan to have any backend communication for the first version of Northwind.WP7 - I'm going to just put all the sample data into resources, which will be compiled and deployed together with application... We will see - as I noted previously I'd currently setting deadline for this project as 6 months as I have quite some other work to do and as WP7 "learning curve" promise to be rather steep.. P.S. Some WP7 resources Windows Phone Development - fundamential concepts http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff626521(v=vs.92).aspx Windows Phone Development http://create.msdn.com/en-us/home/getting_started Silverlight QuickStart http://create.msdn.com/en-US/education/quickstarts/Navigation 03 ??????? 2011, 01:14 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil et al > > Very well! > > Quite often app development starts with just some sketches. I've learned that this is called UX sketching (for User eXperience). > > Tools exist for this. Here is one by Sara Summers for the panorama view of Metro: > > http://www.uxarray.com/2010/11/18/prototyping-sketch-sheets-wp7/ > > and the sheet to print and cut and draw upon: > http://www.uxarray.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/PaperPrototype_Sketchbook_WP7_Metro.pdf > > Another one by Rashid Ali is here: > Windows Phone 7 UX Sketch Templates > http://blog.merrycode.com/windows-phone-7-ux-sketch-templates/ > > The official guide is here: > User Experience Design Guidelines for Windows Phone > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202915(v=VS.92).aspx > > Also, a single, full download of everything needed to get started with WP7+ development is here: > Windows Phone SDK 7.1 > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27570 > > The Windows Phone SDK includes a major collection of software: > > * Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone > * Windows Phone Emulator > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Assemblies > * Silverlight 4 SDK and DRT > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Extensions for XNA Game Studio 4.0 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone 7 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone OS 7.1 > * WCF Data Services Client for Window Phone > * Microsoft Advertising SDK for Windows Phone > > Please note the upscaled system requirements. No WinXP here, and DirectX 9 is an absolute minimum (DirectX 10 is needed for games). The 3 GB is a minimum too, as the Windows Phone Emulator (which on-screen mimics a physical phone) alone eats a whopping 800 MB. > > Note that the Ultimate ($)version of Expression Blend does feature SketchFlow to create sketches on screen: > > http://blogs.microsoft.nl/blogs/ux/archive/2011/06/16/sketchflow-for-windows-phone-the-real-one.aspx > > As for the Northwind.Net porting to WP7, I'll have to think about it. Some challenge - both for the UI design as well as the database connection. Not the first project to work with for me. > > Finally, don't forget the free 1000-page Microsoft Press ebook: Programming Windows Phone 7: > > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24519 > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> > Hi All -- > > FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. > > First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) > > I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. > > One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how smooth his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) > > And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but with Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even using one hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - the thumb one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! > > I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! > > Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows Phone 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a project with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Dec 3 20:06:28 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 21:06:28 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Subversion repositories and server Message-ID: <4EDAD5A4.3020505@colbyconsulting.com> I use subversion here at my office. I have to say I find it confusing and "just use it" without really understanding it. I am trying to set it up at my clients as I am about to start doing some VS 2010 / C# stuff there to replace some less reliable Access stuff. I want the repositories to reside on the server with all of its raid and backup safety net. Here at my office I use the file:// method of accessing the repository which the way I understand it is nothing more than allowing VSN on the workstation to check in and out through a shared directory. When I started research on Google I am getting "shared directories is a bad idea, use a server", but I do not know how to do that. I have set up the server simply by downloading the VisualSVN Server msi and installing it. I created a group and a user and ser my user into the group. I then created two repositories for two different projects and added the group to the project with R/W access and disabled the Everyone user. My question is how do I get my workstation to use the server now? I am using VS 2010, and it has the VisualSVN package installed. I just need to "hook up" the VisualSVN in my workstation to get data from the repository server. Onw would think that there would be a place to go to tell VisualSVN in the workstation "your server is named XYZ" etc but I am not finding that. The "Get solution from Subversion" has a Repository URL line but it does not automatically look for and find my repository and I have no clue what the URL is. IMHO this is the shakiest part of using this stuff. Any help is much appreciated. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Dec 3 20:47:12 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 21:47:12 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Subversion repositories and server In-Reply-To: <4EDAD5A4.3020505@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EDAD5A4.3020505@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4EDADF30.2030909@colbyconsulting.com> Well I got it. The server side software gave me a url. I ended up getting an error about xml not parsing correctly and got a clue (though not an answer) from Google that basically told me I needed to add the trunk portion . I had to add the trunk to the server URL. Then I had to change the default username jcolby (apparently returned from windows?) to the user I set up in the VSNServer and it "took". Sorry for the ring. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 12/3/2011 9:06 PM, jwcolby wrote: > I use subversion here at my office. I have to say I find it confusing and "just use it" without > really understanding it. > > I am trying to set it up at my clients as I am about to start doing some VS 2010 / C# stuff there to > replace some less reliable Access stuff. I want the repositories to reside on the server with all of > its raid and backup safety net. > > Here at my office I use the file:// method of accessing the repository which the way I understand it > is nothing more than allowing VSN on the workstation to check in and out through a shared directory. > > When I started research on Google I am getting "shared directories is a bad idea, use a server", but > I do not know how to do that. > > I have set up the server simply by downloading the VisualSVN Server msi and installing it. I created > a group and a user and ser my user into the group. I then created two repositories for two different > projects and added the group to the project with R/W access and disabled the Everyone user. > > My question is how do I get my workstation to use the server now? I am using VS 2010, and it has the > VisualSVN package installed. I just need to "hook up" the VisualSVN in my workstation to get data > from the repository server. Onw would think that there would be a place to go to tell VisualSVN in > the workstation "your server is named XYZ" etc but I am not finding that. The "Get solution from > Subversion" has a Repository URL line but it does not automatically look for and find my repository > and I have no clue what the URL is. > > IMHO this is the shakiest part of using this stuff. Any help is much appreciated. > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Dec 3 21:39:42 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 22:39:42 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] VSN right click isn't working Message-ID: <4EDAEB7E.1090208@colbyconsulting.com> I use VSN with right click context stuff to check in and out some DLLs such as NLog which are referenced by my projects but are not stuff that I can directly open in VS and use that to do the checkin. The problem is that while the right click menu works on my systems at the office, at my client they cause Windows Explorer to crash, as in close and explorer reopens a few seconds later. Right clicking on any file or directory causes the explorer crash. I eventually found this thing called ShellExView that allows one to see the right click processes that are hooking into Explorer's right click widget, and from there I caused all of the VSNTortoise stuff to stop and the crashes stopped. So I can't use VSN's stuff on my dev machine at the client to check directories in and out of tortoise / VSN and so I have no way to check in initially. I decided to try and do this on the server directly and the right click menu works just fine there, or at least doesn't page fault explorer. However when I try to check it in, it complains about a different user or something. Sigh. AFAIC I do not have to have this in source control, i.e. the reference that I am trying to check in are just dlls which are referenced at a specific path on my hard disk and for that purpose having them in source control doesn't matter. However putting it in source control allows me to "check them out" from any other machine which needs them, and further if I get a new version of a file (nlogs.dll for example) I can check it in and then check it out on other machines to get the latest. The whole point of source control really. So long term I really want to get this working. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Dec 3 22:53:28 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 23:53:28 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Using SQL Server SMO with .Net Message-ID: <4EDAFCC8.1030203@colbyconsulting.com> I am trying to port some pre-written code from my home office to my client where I am setting up to use VS 2010. We use SMO heavily here at my office, but I discovered that SMO is not part of the framework. Ifyou use SMO this is the page that discuses getting a SQL Server 2008 R2 Feature pack which contains standalone stuff including SMO. This apparently has to be installed on each workstation running VisualStudio so that you can reference the SMO in your project references. http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=16978 It appears that they break out a whole bunch of things individually so that you download just a piece you are interested in. SMO is about 3/4 of the way down a very long page of these things. It is precisely things like this that I assume need to go in a source controlled References (my directory name) project so that they can just be downloaded, though in this case it is an MSI and thus has to be installed. I have no clue how bug fixes get applied in cases like this. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sun Dec 4 03:50:28 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 01:50:28 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] Subversion repositories and server In-Reply-To: <4EDADF30.2030909@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EDAD5A4.3020505@colbyconsulting.com> <4EDADF30.2030909@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Hi john, Having a proper svn server is definitely the best in terms of transactional integrity. Seems like you have things worked out, but the apache svn module is pretty straightforward to use and I could easily as you up with a minimal Debian-based svn apache virtual(box) machine within 15 min if that helps. By the way, have you ever toyed wit Git? You don't even have to stop using svn. git can happily work as a wrapper around a svn repo. Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 3 Dec 2011, at 18:47, jwcolby wrote: > Well I got it. > > The server side software gave me a url. I ended up getting an error about xml not parsing correctly and got a clue (though not an answer) from Google that basically told me I needed to add the trunk portion . I had to add the trunk to the server URL. Then I had to change the default username jcolby (apparently returned from windows?) to the user I set up in the VSNServer and it "took". > > Sorry for the ring. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 12/3/2011 9:06 PM, jwcolby wrote: >> I use subversion here at my office. I have to say I find it confusing and "just use it" without >> really understanding it. >> >> I am trying to set it up at my clients as I am about to start doing some VS 2010 / C# stuff there to >> replace some less reliable Access stuff. I want the repositories to reside on the server with all of >> its raid and backup safety net. >> >> Here at my office I use the file:// method of accessing the repository which the way I understand it >> is nothing more than allowing VSN on the workstation to check in and out through a shared directory. >> >> When I started research on Google I am getting "shared directories is a bad idea, use a server", but >> I do not know how to do that. >> >> I have set up the server simply by downloading the VisualSVN Server msi and installing it. I created >> a group and a user and ser my user into the group. I then created two repositories for two different >> projects and added the group to the project with R/W access and disabled the Everyone user. >> >> My question is how do I get my workstation to use the server now? I am using VS 2010, and it has the >> VisualSVN package installed. I just need to "hook up" the VisualSVN in my workstation to get data >> from the repository server. Onw would think that there would be a place to go to tell VisualSVN in >> the workstation "your server is named XYZ" etc but I am not finding that. The "Get solution from >> Subversion" has a Repository URL line but it does not automatically look for and find my repository >> and I have no clue what the URL is. >> >> IMHO this is the shakiest part of using this stuff. Any help is much appreciated. >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sun Dec 4 03:53:21 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 01:53:21 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] VSN right click isn't working In-Reply-To: <4EDAEB7E.1090208@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EDAEB7E.1090208@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: No clue about vsvn unfortunately, but one thing I did learn was how important it was to know have to use svn on the command line and that is all I do anymore (instead of visual GUI apps). Pays in the long run, IMO. Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 3 Dec 2011, at 19:39, jwcolby wrote: > I use VSN with right click context stuff to check in and out some DLLs such as NLog which are referenced by my projects but are not stuff that I can directly open in VS and use that to do the checkin. The problem is that while the right click menu works on my systems at the office, at my client they cause Windows Explorer to crash, as in close and explorer reopens a few seconds later. Right clicking on any file or directory causes the explorer crash. > > I eventually found this thing called ShellExView that allows one to see the right click processes that are hooking into Explorer's right click widget, and from there I caused all of the VSNTortoise stuff to stop and the crashes stopped. > > So I can't use VSN's stuff on my dev machine at the client to check directories in and out of tortoise / VSN and so I have no way to check in initially. > > I decided to try and do this on the server directly and the right click menu works just fine there, or at least doesn't page fault explorer. However when I try to check it in, it complains about a different user or something. > > Sigh. AFAIC I do not have to have this in source control, i.e. the reference that I am trying to check in are just dlls which are referenced at a specific path on my hard disk and for that purpose having them in source control doesn't matter. However putting it in source control allows me to "check them out" from any other machine which needs them, and further if I get a new version of a file (nlogs.dll for example) I can check it in and then check it out on other machines to get the latest. The whole point of source control really. So long term I really want to get this working. > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Dec 4 13:33:44 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 14:33:44 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Automation API, is it needed? Message-ID: <4EDBCB18.4040000@colbyconsulting.com> I got a "speed up VS popup which took me to this page. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/981741 It doesn't sound like it is for the dev environment but rather when running an app with a pen or touch. Am I right there? -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 9 05:59:57 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 12:59:57 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi all I went to the two-day course in programming Windows Phone 7. A developer track and a UX track were offered; I picked the UX track as I found it best to have a solid foundation here - the coding stuff is easier to pick up later. That was a good pick. The session was lead by Arturo Toledo, Sr. User Experience Designer at Microsoft for the Windows Phone Design Studio. He also runs a comprehensive site which I believe contains or links to anything you may wish to know about design for WP7: http://ux.artu.tv/ His partner was Jared Potter (Design Integration Lead) - also called the Pixel Manager as his team approves any graphics going to the phone interface. Should you ever come across a session with either of these, do sign in. They know just about anything about what's happening at the screen surface of a Windows Phone, and both are men of great humour who it's a pleasure to spend some time with. /gustav >>> Gustav at cactus.dk 02-12-2011 22:17 >>> Hi Shamil et al Very well! Quite often app development starts with just some sketches. I've learned that this is called UX sketching (for User eXperience). Tools exist for this. Here is one by Sara Summers for the panorama view of Metro: http://www.uxarray.com/2010/11/18/prototyping-sketch-sheets-wp7/ and the sheet to print and cut and draw upon: http://www.uxarray.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/PaperPrototype_Sketchbook_WP7_Metro.pdf Another one by Rashid Ali is here: Windows Phone 7 UX Sketch Templates http://blog.merrycode.com/windows-phone-7-ux-sketch-templates/ The official guide is here: User Experience Design Guidelines for Windows Phone http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202915(v=VS.92).aspx Also, a single, full download of everything needed to get started with WP7+ development is here: Windows Phone SDK 7.1 http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27570 The Windows Phone SDK includes a major collection of software: * Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone * Windows Phone Emulator * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Assemblies * Silverlight 4 SDK and DRT * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Extensions for XNA Game Studio 4.0 * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone 7 * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone OS 7.1 * WCF Data Services Client for Window Phone * Microsoft Advertising SDK for Windows Phone Please note the upscaled system requirements. No WinXP here, and DirectX 9 is an absolute minimum (DirectX 10 is needed for games). The 3 GB is a minimum too, as the Windows Phone Emulator (which on-screen mimics a physical phone) alone eats a whopping 800 MB. Note that the Ultimate ($)version of Expression Blend does feature SketchFlow to create sketches on screen: http://blogs.microsoft.nl/blogs/ux/archive/2011/06/16/sketchflow-for-windows-phone-the-real-one.aspx As for the Northwind.Net porting to WP7, I'll have to think about it. Some challenge - both for the UI design as well as the database connection. Not the first project to work with for me. Finally, don't forget the free 1000-page Microsoft Press ebook: Programming Windows Phone 7: http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24519 /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> Hi All -- FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how smooth his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but with Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even using one hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - the thumb one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows Phone 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a project with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? Thank you. -- Shamil _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Dec 9 06:18:29 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 16:18:29 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your information. So you're ready to start your custom Windows Phone 7.5 Development? Did they tell how "scrolling selection" UI feature is implemented, e.g. when you set date (selecting day, month, year) while setting a calendar appointment? Thank you. -- Shamil 09 ??????? 2011, 15:56 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi all > > I went to the two-day course in programming Windows Phone 7. A developer track and a UX track were offered; I picked the UX track as I found it best to have a solid foundation here - the coding stuff is easier to pick up later. > > That was a good pick. The session was lead by Arturo Toledo, Sr. User Experience Designer at Microsoft for the Windows Phone Design Studio. > He also runs a comprehensive site which I believe contains or links to anything you may wish to know about design for WP7: > > http://ux.artu.tv/ > > His partner was Jared Potter (Design Integration Lead) - also called the Pixel Manager as his team approves any graphics going to the phone interface. > > Should you ever come across a session with either of these, do sign in. They know just about anything about what's happening at the screen surface of a Windows Phone, and both are men of great humour who it's a pleasure to spend some time with. > > /gustav > > >>> Gustav at cactus.dk 02-12-2011 22:17 >>> > Hi Shamil et al > > Very well! > > Quite often app development starts with just some sketches. I've learned that this is called UX sketching (for User eXperience). > > Tools exist for this. Here is one by Sara Summers for the panorama view of Metro: > > http://www.uxarray.com/2010/11/18/prototyping-sketch-sheets-wp7/ > > and the sheet to print and cut and draw upon: > http://www.uxarray.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/PaperPrototype_Sketchbook_WP7_Metro.pdf > > Another one by Rashid Ali is here: > Windows Phone 7 UX Sketch Templates > http://blog.merrycode.com/windows-phone-7-ux-sketch-templates/ > > The official guide is here: > User Experience Design Guidelines for Windows Phone > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202915(v=VS.92).aspx > > Also, a single, full download of everything needed to get started with WP7+ development is here: > Windows Phone SDK 7.1 > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27570 > > The Windows Phone SDK includes a major collection of software: > > * Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone > * Windows Phone Emulator > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Assemblies > * Silverlight 4 SDK and DRT > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Extensions for XNA Game Studio 4.0 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone 7 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone OS 7.1 > * WCF Data Services Client for Window Phone > * Microsoft Advertising SDK for Windows Phone > > Please note the upscaled system requirements. No WinXP here, and DirectX 9 is an absolute minimum (DirectX 10 is needed for games). The 3 GB is a minimum too, as the Windows Phone Emulator (which on-screen mimics a physical phone) alone eats a whopping 800 MB. > > Note that the Ultimate ($)version of Expression Blend does feature SketchFlow to create sketches on screen: > > http://blogs.microsoft.nl/blogs/ux/archive/2011/06/16/sketchflow-for-windows-phone-the-real-one.aspx > > As for the Northwind.Net porting to WP7, I'll have to think about it. Some challenge - both for the UI design as well as the database connection. Not the first project to work with for me. > > Finally, don't forget the free 1000-page Microsoft Press ebook: Programming Windows Phone 7: > > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24519 > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> > Hi All -- > > FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. > > First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) > > I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. > > One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how smooth his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) > > And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but with Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even using one hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - the thumb one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! > > I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! > > Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows Phone 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a project with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 9 06:27:28 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 13:27:28 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Localizing SQL Server Reporting Services Reports Message-ID: Hi all http://www.codeproject.com/KB/reporting-services/SQLServer2008Reporting.aspx This is a step-by-step walk-through of how to implement localization for SQL Server Reporting Services (SQL 2008). .. An additional item this article covers .. is the ability to use the un-compiled resource files (*.resx) rather than a compiled DLL. /gustav From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 9 08:40:43 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 15:40:43 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil Yes, I've even signed up at the App Hub: http://create.msdn.com/en-US/home/about/developer_registration_walkthrough as we received a one-year subscription in favour of the registration fee (only ~USD18.00). Also, I learned that more attention should be payed to Microsoft Expression Blend. This is an amazing design environment capable of all sorts of web-centric graphics, including animations, and with a amazing Windows Phone graphics designer and emulator featuring drag-n-drop design of many things with automatic sync to and from a code window as well. You have to work with it to believe it. Requires DirectX 10 minimum. It contains some additional tools/controls too, and I did see special controls like the one for the alarm selector, but I can't remember the name of the dlls. /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 09-12-2011 13:18 >>> Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your information. So you're ready to start your custom Windows Phone 7.5 Development? Did they tell how "scrolling selection" UI feature is implemented, e.g. when you set date (selecting day, month, year) while setting a calendar appointment? Thank you. -- Shamil 09 ??????? 2011, 15:56 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi all > > I went to the two-day course in programming Windows Phone 7. A developer track and a UX track were offered; I picked the UX track as I found it best to have a solid foundation here - the coding stuff is easier to pick up later. > > That was a good pick. The session was lead by Arturo Toledo, Sr. User Experience Designer at Microsoft for the Windows Phone Design Studio. > He also runs a comprehensive site which I believe contains or links to anything you may wish to know about design for WP7: > > http://ux.artu.tv/ > > His partner was Jared Potter (Design Integration Lead) - also called the Pixel Manager as his team approves any graphics going to the phone interface. > > Should you ever come across a session with either of these, do sign in. They know just about anything about what's happening at the screen surface of a Windows Phone, and both are men of great humour who it's a pleasure to spend some time with. > > /gustav > > >>> Gustav at cactus.dk 02-12-2011 22:17 >>> > Hi Shamil et al > > Very well! > > Quite often app development starts with just some sketches. I've learned that this is called UX sketching (for User eXperience). > > Tools exist for this. Here is one by Sara Summers for the panorama view of Metro: > > http://www.uxarray.com/2010/11/18/prototyping-sketch-sheets-wp7/ > > and the sheet to print and cut and draw upon: > http://www.uxarray.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/PaperPrototype_Sketchbook_WP7_Metro.pdf > > Another one by Rashid Ali is here: > Windows Phone 7 UX Sketch Templates > http://blog.merrycode.com/windows-phone-7-ux-sketch-templates/ > > The official guide is here: > User Experience Design Guidelines for Windows Phone > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202915(v=VS.92).aspx > > Also, a single, full download of everything needed to get started with WP7+ development is here: > Windows Phone SDK 7.1 > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27570 > > The Windows Phone SDK includes a major collection of software: > > * Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone > * Windows Phone Emulator > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Assemblies > * Silverlight 4 SDK and DRT > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Extensions for XNA Game Studio 4.0 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone 7 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone OS 7.1 > * WCF Data Services Client for Window Phone > * Microsoft Advertising SDK for Windows Phone > > Please note the upscaled system requirements. No WinXP here, and DirectX 9 is an absolute minimum (DirectX 10 is needed for games). The 3 GB is a minimum too, as the Windows Phone Emulator (which on-screen mimics a physical phone) alone eats a whopping 800 MB. > > Note that the Ultimate ($)version of Expression Blend does feature SketchFlow to create sketches on screen: > > http://blogs.microsoft.nl/blogs/ux/archive/2011/06/16/sketchflow-for-windows-phone-the-real-one.aspx > > As for the Northwind.Net porting to WP7, I'll have to think about it. Some challenge - both for the UI design as well as the database connection. Not the first project to work with for me. > > Finally, don't forget the free 1000-page Microsoft Press ebook: Programming Windows Phone 7: > > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24519 > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> > Hi All -- > > FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. > > First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) > > I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. > > One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how smooth his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) > > And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but with Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even using one hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - the thumb one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! > > I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! > > Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows Phone 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a project with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 10:06:19 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 11:06:19 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Being unable to afford a Win7 phone, is that an impediment to development, or can I fake it using the IDE? Arthur On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Shamil > > Yes, I've even signed up at the App Hub: > > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/home/about/developer_registration_walkthrough > > as we received a one-year subscription in favour of the registration fee > (only ~USD18.00). > > Also, I learned that more attention should be payed to Microsoft > Expression Blend. This is an amazing design environment capable of all > sorts of web-centric graphics, including animations, and with a amazing > Windows Phone graphics designer and emulator featuring drag-n-drop design > of many things with automatic sync to and from a code window as well. You > have to work with it to believe it. Requires DirectX 10 minimum. > > It contains some additional tools/controls too, and I did see special > controls like the one for the alarm selector, but I can't remember the name > of the dlls. > > /gustav > > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 9 10:18:47 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 17:18:47 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Arthur You can fake it - actually are expected to do so during development - using the Windows Phone 7 Emulator (from the free SDK) which on-screen mimics most things. It requires 800 MB of ram and DirectX 10 graphics minimum. /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 09-12-2011 17:06 >>> Being unable to afford a Win7 phone, is that an impediment to development, or can I fake it using the IDE? Arthur On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Shamil > > Yes, I've even signed up at the App Hub: > > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/home/about/developer_registration_walkthrough > > as we received a one-year subscription in favour of the registration fee > (only ~USD18.00). > > Also, I learned that more attention should be payed to Microsoft > Expression Blend. This is an amazing design environment capable of all > sorts of web-centric graphics, including animations, and with a amazing > Windows Phone graphics designer and emulator featuring drag-n-drop design > of many things with automatic sync to and from a code window as well. You > have to work with it to believe it. Requires DirectX 10 minimum. > > It contains some additional tools/controls too, and I did see special > controls like the one for the alarm selector, but I can't remember the name > of the dlls. > > /gustav From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 10:34:34 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 11:34:34 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for that, Gustav. As it happens, I have an idea in mind for an app, which I may donate to the world (since I really don't see how to make loot from it, despite its demonstrable usefulness to a small minority of the populace). I'll grab the resources soon and knock together the first sketch of same. That prompts another question: supposing that I have everything installed to create an app, is it possible for me to send said files to you (or anyone else so equipped) so that you could load it and run it and criticize it and maybe even contribute additional modules to it? I ask this because the amount of data my app would require is huge. However, I can see this working (perhaps) in several ways: a) everything is somewhere in some cloud; b) the fifteen or twenty topics of interest can be downloaded into your phone; c) a mix of both, in which your core interests are stored in your phone, but you still have access to the whole repository, and ability to add new selections to your core interests, which causes immediate download to your phone/tablet/whatever. Without giving the whole idea away, it's an encyclopedia for engineers, construction contractors, etc. I already have created a bunch of the tables required for such an app, but I have several thousand more to go, until it's the ultimate reference. Thx, A. On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Arthur > > You can fake it - actually are expected to do so during development - > using the Windows Phone 7 Emulator (from the free SDK) which on-screen > mimics most things. It requires 800 MB of ram and DirectX 10 graphics > minimum. > > /gustav > > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 9 10:52:49 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 17:52:49 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Arthur Feel free. I think your option c) would be fine but it would depend a lot on how your data should be browsed. Data communication with WP7 is somewhat special as you will not have, say, a direct connection to an SQL Server. If I recall correctly, everything is done via web services. As you describe your app, it sounds like a pro tool that could be charged for. I mean: How many amateur construction contractors exist out there? In the Third World perhaps ...? /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 09-12-2011 17:34 >>> Thanks for that, Gustav. As it happens, I have an idea in mind for an app, which I may donate to the world (since I really don't see how to make loot from it, despite its demonstrable usefulness to a small minority of the populace). I'll grab the resources soon and knock together the first sketch of same. That prompts another question: supposing that I have everything installed to create an app, is it possible for me to send said files to you (or anyone else so equipped) so that you could load it and run it and criticize it and maybe even contribute additional modules to it? I ask this because the amount of data my app would require is huge. However, I can see this working (perhaps) in several ways: a) everything is somewhere in some cloud; b) the fifteen or twenty topics of interest can be downloaded into your phone; c) a mix of both, in which your core interests are stored in your phone, but you still have access to the whole repository, and ability to add new selections to your core interests, which causes immediate download to your phone/tablet/whatever. Without giving the whole idea away, it's an encyclopedia for engineers, construction contractors, etc. I already have created a bunch of the tables required for such an app, but I have several thousand more to go, until it's the ultimate reference. Thx, A. On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Arthur > > You can fake it - actually are expected to do so during development - > using the Windows Phone 7 Emulator (from the free SDK) which on-screen > mimics most things. It requires 800 MB of ram and DirectX 10 graphics > minimum. > > /gustav From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 11:51:49 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 12:51:49 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You have a point! Aside from students, the only other market is professionals. Point taken. I'm thinking of a $6.54 price point. It sort of rhymes. A. From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Dec 9 13:11:07 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 23:11:07 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Gustav, Ok, I will also register for App Hub. Thank you. Shamil P.S. Replied from Nokia Lumia 800 - rural area 70+ km from St.Petersburg 09 ??????? 2011, 18:37 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > Yes, I've even signed up at the App Hub: > > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/home/about/developer_registration_walkthrough > > as we received a one-year subscription in favour of the registration fee (only > ~USD18.00). > > Also, I learned that more attention should be payed to Microsoft Expression > Blend. This is an amazing design environment capable of all sorts of > web-centric graphics, including animations, and with a amazing Windows Phone > graphics designer and emulator featuring drag-n-drop design of many things > with automatic sync to and from a code window as well. You have to work with > it to believe it. Requires DirectX 10 minimum. > > It contains some additional tools/controls too, and I did see special controls > like the one for the alarm selector, but I can't remember the name of the > dlls. > > /gustav > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 09-12-2011 13:18 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Thank you for your information. > So you're ready to start your custom Windows Phone 7.5 Development? > > Did they tell how "scrolling selection" UI feature is implemented, e.g. when > you set date (selecting day, month, year) while setting a calendar > appointment? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > 09 ??????? 2011, 15:56 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > Hi all > > > > I went to the two-day course in programming Windows Phone 7. A developer > track and a UX track were offered; I picked the UX track as I found it best to > have a solid foundation here - the coding stuff is easier to pick up later. > > > > That was a good pick. The session was lead by Arturo Toledo, Sr. User > Experience Designer at Microsoft for the Windows Phone Design Studio. > > He also runs a comprehensive site which I believe contains or links to > anything you may wish to know about design for WP7: > > > > http://ux.artu.tv/ > > > > His partner was Jared Potter (Design Integration Lead) - also called the > Pixel Manager as his team approves any graphics going to the phone interface. > > > > Should you ever come across a session with either of these, do sign in. They > know just about anything about what's happening at the screen surface of a > Windows Phone, and both are men of great humour who it's a pleasure to spend > some time with. > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> Gustav at cactus.dk 02-12-2011 22:17 >>> > > Hi Shamil et al > > > > Very well! > > > > Quite often app development starts with just some sketches. I've learned > that this is called UX sketching (for User eXperience). > > > > Tools exist for this. Here is one by Sara Summers for the panorama view of > Metro: > > > > http://www.uxarray.com/2010/11/18/prototyping-sketch-sheets-wp7/ > > > > and the sheet to print and cut and draw upon: > > > http://www.uxarray.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/PaperPrototype_Sketchbook_WP7_Metro.pdf > > > > Another one by Rashid Ali is here: > > Windows Phone 7 UX Sketch Templates > > http://blog.merrycode.com/windows-phone-7-ux-sketch-templates/ > > > > The official guide is here: > > User Experience Design Guidelines for Windows Phone > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202915(v=VS.92).aspx > > > > Also, a single, full download of everything needed to get started with WP7+ > development is here: > > Windows Phone SDK 7.1 > > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27570 > > > > The Windows Phone SDK includes a major collection of software: > > > > * Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone > > * Windows Phone Emulator > > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Assemblies > > * Silverlight 4 SDK and DRT > > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Extensions for XNA Game Studio 4.0 > > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone 7 > > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone OS 7.1 > > * WCF Data Services Client for Window Phone > > * Microsoft Advertising SDK for Windows Phone > > > > Please note the upscaled system requirements. No WinXP here, and DirectX 9 > is an absolute minimum (DirectX 10 is needed for games). The 3 GB is a minimum > too, as the Windows Phone Emulator (which on-screen mimics a physical phone) > alone eats a whopping 800 MB. > > > > Note that the Ultimate ($)version of Expression Blend does feature > SketchFlow to create sketches on screen: > > > > > http://blogs.microsoft.nl/blogs/ux/archive/2011/06/16/sketchflow-for-windows-phone-the-real-one.aspx > > > > As for the Northwind.Net porting to WP7, I'll have to think about it. Some > challenge - both for the UI design as well as the database connection. Not the > first project to work with for me. > > > > Finally, don't forget the free 1000-page Microsoft Press ebook: Programming > Windows Phone 7: > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24519 > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> > > Hi All -- > > > > FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. > > > > First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) > > > > I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something > useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. > > > > One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how > well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how smooth > his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) > > > > And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this > device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself > comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but with > Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even using one > hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - the thumb > one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! > > > > I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse > Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! > > > > Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net > project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows Phone > 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a project > with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri Dec 9 13:14:34 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 11:14:34 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9FF29215-68B6-4AE3-979E-38103904348A@phulse.com> There are emulators for all platforms - android, iphone, blackberry and windows phone. Very handy when you want to experiment with a platform that you do not own or is new to you. - Hans Sent from my iPhone On 2011-12-09, at 8:18 AM, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > Hi Arthur > > You can fake it - actually are expected to do so during development - using the Windows Phone 7 Emulator (from the free SDK) which on-screen mimics most things. It requires 800 MB of ram and DirectX 10 graphics minimum. > > /gustav > > >>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 09-12-2011 17:06 >>> > Being unable to afford a Win7 phone, is that an impediment to development, > or can I fake it using the IDE? > > Arthur > > On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > >> Hi Shamil >> >> Yes, I've even signed up at the App Hub: >> >> http://create.msdn.com/en-US/home/about/developer_registration_walkthrough >> >> as we received a one-year subscription in favour of the registration fee >> (only ~USD18.00). >> >> Also, I learned that more attention should be payed to Microsoft >> Expression Blend. This is an amazing design environment capable of all >> sorts of web-centric graphics, including animations, and with a amazing >> Windows Phone graphics designer and emulator featuring drag-n-drop design >> of many things with automatic sync to and from a code window as well. You >> have to work with it to believe it. Requires DirectX 10 minimum. >> >> It contains some additional tools/controls too, and I did see special >> controls like the one for the alarm selector, but I can't remember the name >> of the dlls. >> >> /gustav > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Dec 9 14:50:25 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 00:50:25 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arthur -- You can emulate WinPhone 7 http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff402563(v=vs.92).aspx... Thank you. -- Shamil 09 ??????? 2011, 20:07 ?? Arthur Fuller : > Being unable to afford a Win7 phone, is that an impediment to development, > or can I fake it using the IDE? > > Arthur > > On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi Shamil > > > > Yes, I've even signed up at the App Hub: > > > > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/home/about/developer_registration_walkthrough > > > > as we received a one-year subscription in favour of the registration fee > > (only ~USD18.00). > > > > Also, I learned that more attention should be payed to Microsoft > > Expression Blend. This is an amazing design environment capable of all > > sorts of web-centric graphics, including animations, and with a amazing > > Windows Phone graphics designer and emulator featuring drag-n-drop design > > of many things with automatic sync to and from a code window as well. You > > have to work with it to believe it. Requires DirectX 10 minimum. > > > > It contains some additional tools/controls too, and I did see special > > controls like the one for the alarm selector, but I can't remember the name > > of the dlls. > > > > /gustav > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From gustav at cactus.dk Sun Dec 11 04:45:04 2011 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 11:45:04 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil et al Did you enjoy the footage of the launch in London on Nov. 28th of your Lumia 800 phone? One of the most ambitious projection events ever made using 16 high-power cinema video projectors to light up the 120 m tall Millbank Tower from a 300 meters distance at the other side of the river Thems - with state of the art 3D graphics joined by live music performed by DeadMau5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX2Gd-kqV5s Some background here: http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/11/29/nokia-brings-down-the-hua5-with-deadmau5/ and in the obtuse teaser video (watch closely for details): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlr6tXi7LoU /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> Hi All -- FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun Dec 11 11:08:08 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 21:08:08 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- No, I didn't. I just wanted to get WP 7.5 from Nokia as I recently have had issues with rather simple smart-phone form Samsung and I have never had any issues with Nokia phones. But I currently suppose I did make my purchase in a hurry - I didn't evaluate all the available/soon to be available options - Samsung OMNIA 7 have just been released and it's 1/3 less expensive. And I have got purchased Samsung Fit (with Android) to my kid before I have got my Nokia Lumia 800, and I must admit that Samsung Fit "toy", which is only 1/3 price of Nokia Lumia 800 impresses me and it has some features (camera, free games, even keyboard) which do outperform/look more useful/user-friendly IMO/come free comparing to my Nokia Lumia 800... Anyway, I'm "bound" to MS and so I have to adapt to what I have got :) This WP7 "Metro" (?) interface usability is questionable for me currently, and WP7 AMOLED surface sensibility is too sensible IMO - is there any way to make it less sensible till I'll get adapted to it? :) That promise to be very interesting how MS with their mobile phones manufacturing partners will get their current OS, device and its interface evolved in a more user-friendly thing as e.g. my kid's Samsung Fit with Android is now... Thank you. -- Shamil 11 ??????? 2011, 14:41 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil et al > > Did you enjoy the footage of the launch in London on Nov. 28th of your Lumia 800 phone? One of the most ambitious projection events ever made using 16 high-power cinema video projectors to light up the 120 m tall Millbank Tower from a 300 meters distance at the other side of the river Thems - with state of the art 3D graphics joined by live music performed by DeadMau5: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX2Gd-kqV5s > > Some background here: > http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/11/29/nokia-brings-down-the-hua5-with-deadmau5/ > > and in the obtuse teaser video (watch closely for details): > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlr6tXi7LoU > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> > Hi All -- > > FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From gustav at cactus.dk Sun Dec 11 11:44:50 2011 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 18:44:50 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil That's how it is. New top-level models are always quite expensive - so was my Omnia7 a year ago, today it's an "old" model more moderately priced. I don't know of a way to tighten the sensibility - you may need to join one of the hacker/flashing-forums to gain knowledge, for example: http://forum.xda-developers.com/ /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 11-12-2011 18:08 >>> Hi Gustav -- No, I didn't. I just wanted to get WP 7.5 from Nokia as I recently have had issues with rather simple smart-phone form Samsung and I have never had any issues with Nokia phones. But I currently suppose I did make my purchase in a hurry - I didn't evaluate all the available/soon to be available options - Samsung OMNIA 7 have just been released and it's 1/3 less expensive. And I have got purchased Samsung Fit (with Android) to my kid before I have got my Nokia Lumia 800, and I must admit that Samsung Fit "toy", which is only 1/3 price of Nokia Lumia 800 impresses me and it has some features (camera, free games, even keyboard) which do outperform/look more useful/user-friendly IMO/come free comparing to my Nokia Lumia 800... Anyway, I'm "bound" to MS and so I have to adapt to what I have got :) This WP7 "Metro" (?) interface usability is questionable for me currently, and WP7 AMOLED surface sensibility is too sensible IMO - is there any way to make it less sensible till I'll get adapted to it? :) That promise to be very interesting how MS with their mobile phones manufacturing partners will get their current OS, device and its interface evolved in a more user-friendly thing as e.g. my kid's Samsung Fit with Android is now... Thank you. -- Shamil 11 ??????? 2011, 14:41 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil et al > > Did you enjoy the footage of the launch in London on Nov. 28th of your Lumia 800 phone? One of the most ambitious projection events ever made using 16 high-power cinema video projectors to light up the 120 m tall Millbank Tower from a 300 meters distance at the other side of the river Thems - with state of the art 3D graphics joined by live music performed by DeadMau5: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX2Gd-kqV5s > > Some background here: > http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/11/29/nokia-brings-down-the-hua5-with-deadmau5/ > > and in the obtuse teaser video (watch closely for details): > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlr6tXi7LoU > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> > Hi All -- > > FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 14:07:09 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 15:07:09 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Control tab order in C# Message-ID: I'm just starting out, so forgive the simple question. How do I control the tab order of a collection of textBoxes within a given Windows form? TIA, Arthur -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun Dec 11 14:41:17 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 00:41:17 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Control_tab_order_in_C=23?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arthur -- With Windows form opened in design mode IDE menu entry View -> Tab Order toggles tab order setting mode - when it's 'On' you'll see the current tab order. To change tab order just click on controls in the the sequence you wanted them to be "tab ordered". Thank you. -- Shamil 12 ??????? 2011, 00:07 ?? Arthur Fuller : > I'm just starting out, so forgive the simple question. How do I control the > tab order of a collection of textBoxes within a given Windows form? > > TIA, > Arthur > > -- > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > but it's the emptiness > that makes a wheel work > -- from the Daodejing > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 07:13:00 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 08:13:00 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Control tab order in C# In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's where I expected to find it, but I don't see it there. I'm using VC# 2010 Express. Maybe it's not in that version? A. On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi Arthur -- > > With Windows form opened in design mode IDE menu entry > > View -> Tab Order > > toggles tab order setting mode - when it's 'On' you'll see the current tab > order. > To change tab order just click on controls in the the sequence you wanted > them to be "tab ordered". > > From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Mon Dec 12 08:53:28 2011 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:53:28 +0000 Subject: [dba-VB] Control tab order in C# In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you mean the tab order of a field on a form, same as usual in my version I have just installed at home, I created a form placed a textbox on t, right click, properties and you can change the tab order number there, just above the tab stop being true or false. On 12 December 2011 13:13, Arthur Fuller wrote: > That's where I expected to find it, but I don't see it there. I'm using VC# > 2010 Express. Maybe it's not in that version? > A. > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil >wrote: > > > Hi Arthur -- > > > > With Windows form opened in design mode IDE menu entry > > > > View -> Tab Order > > > > toggles tab order setting mode - when it's 'On' you'll see the current > tab > > order. > > To change tab order just click on controls in the the sequence you wanted > > them to be "tab ordered". > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 10:40:21 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:40:21 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Control tab order in C# In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ah! I'll try that in a moment. I was looking on the View menu as in Access. Thanks. Arthur On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Paul Hartland wrote: > If you mean the tab order of a field on a form, same as usual in my version > I have just installed at home, I created a form placed a textbox on t, > right click, properties and you can change the tab order number there, > just above the tab stop being true or false. > > From marklbreen at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 16:54:32 2011 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 22:54:32 +0000 Subject: [dba-VB] How to problematically (or by other automation) control an ActiveX control in IE Message-ID: Hello All, I arrived into a customer today with the intention of preparing for a project to automate a process for placing orders in an online database. The process today is that the user sits for four hours and copy and pastes from Excel into a browser. I was hoping to use Selenium to automate that. However, I was disappointed to note that the website is actually an ActiveX control running in IE. That leaves me with options such as a) using other macro software, attempt to automate the process b) find out how to programatically manipulate an ActiveX c) some other option not thought of yet. I am asking the list whether you have any advice to give? If this ActiveX has been installed on the PC and runs well, how difficult would it be to execute all the functionality it offers? I may have no documentation. Does my question even make sense? Your advice, as always, is appreciated. thanks Mark PS, Happy Birthday to Rocky From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Dec 12 17:27:08 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:27:08 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] How to problematically (or by other automation) control an ActiveX control in IE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EE68DCC.24699.DD6B17B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Two approaches which I would use in this situation: 1. Put Wireshark or similar on the PC and monitor the HTTP(S?) traffic when orders are being placed with the current system. Then you'll know exactly what needs to be sent to the online application and what responses it generates. Having done that, decide if it feasible to write another application to send and receive the same HTTP(S?) traffic. (Hint PowerBASIC is great for that sort of thing ) If that it is not feasible: - 2. Write an AutoIt application to extract the data from the spreadsheet and feed it to the ActiveX screen. -- Stuart On 12 Dec 2011 at 22:54, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello All, > > I arrived into a customer today with the intention of preparing for a > project to automate a process for placing orders in an online database. > > The process today is that the user sits for four hours and copy and pastes > from Excel into a browser. I was hoping to use Selenium to automate that. > > However, I was disappointed to note that the website is actually an ActiveX > control running in IE. > > That leaves me with options such as > > a) using other macro software, attempt to automate the process > b) find out how to programatically manipulate an ActiveX > c) some other option not thought of yet. > > I am asking the list whether you have any advice to give? If this ActiveX > has been installed on the PC and runs well, how difficult would it be to > execute all the functionality it offers? I may have no documentation. > > Does my question even make sense? > > Your advice, as always, is appreciated. > > thanks > > Mark > > PS, Happy Birthday to Rocky > _______________________________________________ > dba-SQLServer mailing list > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From fhtapia at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 12:58:06 2011 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:58:06 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] [dba-SQLServer] How to problematically (or by other automation) control an ActiveX control in IE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: First, Happy belated birthday Rocky! Second, Does the customer have control of the online database? if so the automation could just be made at the Excel spreadsheet to push out to the online db. right? if it's a 3rd party database, then automation might just be key, take a look at http://www.autohotkey.com/ we use it here to help control our touchscreen kiosk. -Francisco http://bit.ly/sqlthis | Tsql and More... On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 14:54, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello All, > > I arrived into a customer today with the intention of preparing for a > project to automate a process for placing orders in an online database. > > The process today is that the user sits for four hours and copy and pastes > from Excel into a browser. I was hoping to use Selenium to automate that. > > However, I was disappointed to note that the website is actually an ActiveX > control running in IE. > > That leaves me with options such as > > a) using other macro software, attempt to automate the process > b) find out how to programatically manipulate an ActiveX > c) some other option not thought of yet. > > I am asking the list whether you have any advice to give? If this ActiveX > has been installed on the PC and runs well, how difficult would it be to > execute all the functionality it offers? I may have no documentation. > > Does my question even make sense? > > Your advice, as always, is appreciated. > > thanks > > Mark > > PS, Happy Birthday to Rocky > _______________________________________________ > dba-SQLServer mailing list > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From fhtapia at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 13:48:34 2011 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:48:34 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] Sql Server 2008 VTF and SQL CLR Message-ID: have any of you worked with Table Valued Functions yet? I know how to create a SQL value table function in pure TSQL, but getting one to work that's built off of SQL CLR is something new entirely to me :phew: My sample here is simple, but the idea is that I'm going to be calling a webservice to collect some data. I'd like to have at least a two column table returned so that I can create labels or maybe a multi-column with the appropriate column name. here is my working code from c# and this does yield me a working returned table. As always your help is appreciated! [Microsoft.SqlServer.Server.SqlFunction(FillRowMethodName = "getFillRow", TableDefinition = "Field1 nvarchar(20)")] public static IEnumerable fngetTEST(string strSomeInput) { ArrayList myList = new ArrayList(); myList.Add("test1"); myList.Add("test2"); return new ArrayList(myList); } private static void getFillRow(object obj, out SqlString strField1 ) { strField1 = Convert.ToString(obj); } -Francisco http://bit.ly/sqlthis | Tsql and More... From fhtapia at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 18:38:03 2011 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 16:38:03 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] Sql Server 2008 VTF and SQL CLR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: this works now... working demo code: private class myRows { public SqlInt32 PKID; public SqlString strValue; public myRows(SqlInt32 pkid, SqlString strvalue) { PKID = pkid; strValue = strvalue; } } [Microsoft.SqlServer.Server.SqlFunction(FillRowMethodName = "getFillRow", TableDefinition = "pkid int,Field1 nvarchar(20)")] public static IEnumerable fngetTEST(string strSomeInput) { ArrayList myArray = new ArrayList(); myArray.Add(new myRows(0, "Field1")); myArray.Add(new myRows(1, "Field2")); myArray.Add(new myRows(2, "Field3")); myArray.Add(new myRows(3, "Field4")); return new ArrayList(myArray); } private static void getFillRow( object arrayObj, out SqlInt32 intPKID, out SqlString strField1 ) { myRows MyRows = (myRows)arrayObj; intPKID = MyRows.PKID; strField1 = MyRows.strValue; } -Francisco http://bit.ly/sqlthis | Tsql and More... On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 11:48, Francisco Tapia wrote: > have any of you worked with Table Valued Functions yet? I know how to > create a SQL value table function in pure TSQL, but getting one to work > that's built off of SQL CLR is something new entirely to me :phew: My > sample here is simple, but the idea is that I'm going to be calling a > webservice to collect some data. I'd like to have at least a two column > table returned so that I can create labels or maybe a multi-column with the > appropriate column name. > > here is my working code from c# and this does yield me a working returned > table. > > As always your help is appreciated! > > [Microsoft.SqlServer.Server.SqlFunction(FillRowMethodName = "getFillRow", > TableDefinition = "Field1 nvarchar(20)")] > public static IEnumerable fngetTEST(string strSomeInput) > { > ArrayList myList = new ArrayList(); > myList.Add("test1"); > myList.Add("test2"); > return new ArrayList(myList); > } > private static void getFillRow(object obj, > out SqlString strField1 > > ) > { > strField1 = Convert.ToString(obj); > } > > > -Francisco > http://bit.ly/sqlthis | Tsql and More... > > > > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sat Dec 17 12:28:18 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 22:28:18 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Sql_Server_2008_VTF_and_SQL_CLR?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Francisco -- Thank you for your sample code. I will put it in my code snippets. -- Shamil 17 ??????? 2011, 04:39 ?? Francisco Tapia : > this works now... > > working demo code: > > private class myRows > { > public SqlInt32 PKID; > public SqlString strValue; > > public myRows(SqlInt32 pkid, SqlString strvalue) > { > PKID = pkid; > strValue = strvalue; > } > } > [Microsoft.SqlServer.Server.SqlFunction(FillRowMethodName = > "getFillRow", > TableDefinition = "pkid int,Field1 nvarchar(20)")] > public static IEnumerable fngetTEST(string strSomeInput) > { > > ArrayList myArray = new ArrayList(); > > myArray.Add(new myRows(0, "Field1")); > myArray.Add(new myRows(1, "Field2")); > myArray.Add(new myRows(2, "Field3")); > myArray.Add(new myRows(3, "Field4")); > > return new ArrayList(myArray); > > } > private static void getFillRow( > object arrayObj, > out SqlInt32 intPKID, > out SqlString strField1 > ) > { > myRows MyRows = (myRows)arrayObj; > intPKID = MyRows.PKID; > strField1 = MyRows.strValue; > > } > > -Francisco > http://bit.ly/sqlthis | Tsql and More... > > > On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 11:48, Francisco Tapia wrote: > > > have any of you worked with Table Valued Functions yet? I know how to > > create a SQL value table function in pure TSQL, but getting one to work > > that's built off of SQL CLR is something new entirely to me :phew: My > > sample here is simple, but the idea is that I'm going to be calling a > > webservice to collect some data. I'd like to have at least a two column > > table returned so that I can create labels or maybe a multi-column with the > > appropriate column name. > > > > here is my working code from c# and this does yield me a working returned > > table. > > > > As always your help is appreciated! > > > > [Microsoft.SqlServer.Server.SqlFunction(FillRowMethodName = "getFillRow", > > TableDefinition = "Field1 nvarchar(20)")] > > public static IEnumerable fngetTEST(string strSomeInput) > > { > > ArrayList myList = new ArrayList(); > > myList.Add("test1"); > > myList.Add("test2"); > > return new ArrayList(myList); > > } > > private static void getFillRow(object obj, > > out SqlString strField1 > > > > ) > > { > > strField1 = Convert.ToString(obj); > > } > > > > > > -Francisco > > http://bit.ly/sqlthis | Tsql and More... > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From gustav at cactus.dk Sun Dec 18 07:25:34 2011 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 14:25:34 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil Finally, today I installed the latest version 7.5 Mango on our phones. Looks exiting. Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time. One, however, I've missed - a QR code reader. /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 03-12-2011 00:42 >>> Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your notes and links - I have got a few other ones (see P.S.), which allowed me to start WP7 test development I have already got all the development stuff installed and I can create WP7 solutions, build and run them in emulation mode on my PC... So we are just two here - happy owners on Windows Phone 7/7.5? Anybody else? BTW, I have given my WP7.5 to play to my son (he is 10+ years old) and to compare to his Samsung Fit with Android 2.x - and my son wasn't impressed by my WP at all :( (:) Yes, MS has to do quite a lot on this "frontline" to get kids and teens "back to Windows (Phones)". "Angry Birds", "Doodle Jump" and many other popular games are free for Android - very important option for kids. Even with 1-3USD price for "Angry Birds" and "Doodle Jump" MS risks to miss WP market for children... Have you got registered on Windows Phone Development Registration page http://create.msdn.com/en-US/ ? I'm considering registering there if it will give some additional information on WP7, if not, then I will stay unregistered till I'll get something ready to publish on that site. Registration is 99USD/year. I'm also interested will WP7.5 Internet Tethering work here in Russia with my mobile provider or not (http://www.winrumors.com/windows-phone-7-5-internet-tethering-feature-only-available-on-new-devices/) - they say this feature is opened/blocked by mobile operators. I have mobile USB modem which I use with my laptop when on the road or outside of my broadband Internet connection - if WP7 Internet Tethering will be available here then I will use it instead of USB modem... From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Dec 19 02:13:01 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:13:01 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? Thank you. -- Shamil 18 ??????? 2011, 17:21 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > Finally, today I installed the latest version 7.5 Mango on our phones. > Looks exiting. Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time. One, however, I've missed - a QR code reader. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 03-12-2011 00:42 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Thank you for your notes and links - I have got a few other ones (see P.S.), which allowed me to start WP7 test development > I have already got all the development stuff installed and I can create WP7 solutions, build and run them in emulation mode on my PC... > > So we are just two here - happy owners on Windows Phone 7/7.5? > Anybody else? > > BTW, I have given my WP7.5 to play to my son (he is 10+ years old) and to compare to his Samsung Fit with Android 2.x - and my son wasn't impressed by my WP at all :( (:) > Yes, MS has to do quite a lot on this "frontline" to get kids and teens "back to Windows (Phones)". > "Angry Birds", "Doodle Jump" and many other popular games are free for Android - very important option for kids. > Even with 1-3USD price for "Angry Birds" and "Doodle Jump" MS risks to miss WP market for children... > > Have you got registered on > > Windows Phone Development Registration page > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/ ? > > I'm considering registering there if it will give some additional information on WP7, if not, then I will stay unregistered till I'll get something ready to publish on that site. Registration is 99USD/year. > > I'm also interested will WP7.5 Internet Tethering work here in Russia with my mobile provider or not (http://www.winrumors.com/windows-phone-7-5-internet-tethering-feature-only-available-on-new-devices/) - they say this feature is opened/blocked by mobile operators. I have mobile USB modem which I use with my laptop when on the road or outside of my broadband Internet connection - if WP7 Internet Tethering will be available here then I will use it instead of USB modem... > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Dec 19 03:59:29 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 10:59:29 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil Yes, I found one (free) which reads common barcodes as EAN/UPC, PDF417, Datamatrix, as well as QR-codes: Leadtools Barcode Demo It works very well and is intended to demonstrate a SDK offered by Leadtools. /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 09:13 >>> Hi Gustav -- Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? Thank you. -- Shamil 18 ??????? 2011, 17:21 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > Finally, today I installed the latest version 7.5 Mango on our phones. > Looks exiting. Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time. One, however, I've missed - a QR code reader. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 03-12-2011 00:42 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Thank you for your notes and links - I have got a few other ones (see P.S.), which allowed me to start WP7 test development > I have already got all the development stuff installed and I can create WP7 solutions, build and run them in emulation mode on my PC... > > So we are just two here - happy owners on Windows Phone 7/7.5? > Anybody else? > > BTW, I have given my WP7.5 to play to my son (he is 10+ years old) and to compare to his Samsung Fit with Android 2.x - and my son wasn't impressed by my WP at all :( (:) > Yes, MS has to do quite a lot on this "frontline" to get kids and teens "back to Windows (Phones)". > "Angry Birds", "Doodle Jump" and many other popular games are free for Android - very important option for kids. > Even with 1-3USD price for "Angry Birds" and "Doodle Jump" MS risks to miss WP market for children... > > Have you got registered on > > Windows Phone Development Registration page > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/ ? > > I'm considering registering there if it will give some additional information on WP7, if not, then I will stay unregistered till I'll get something ready to publish on that site. Registration is 99USD/year. > > I'm also interested will WP7.5 Internet Tethering work here in Russia with my mobile provider or not (http://www.winrumors.com/windows-phone-7-5-internet-tethering-feature-only-available-on-new-devices/) - they say this feature is opened/blocked by mobile operators. I have mobile USB modem which I use with my laptop when on the road or outside of my broadband Internet connection - if WP7 Internet Tethering will be available here then I will use it instead of USB modem... > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Dec 19 05:40:29 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 15:40:29 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your reply. ? Did you try http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/search?q=Barcode%20Reader it returns a set of available programs Microsoft? Tag Reader Ratings: 564 Free Pic2shop Ratings: 98 Free QuickMark Ratings: 79 Free Butterkiss QR Scanner Ratings: 22 Free PSA barcode scanner Ratings: 66 $1.99 Barcode Reader Ratings: 12 Free Quick Reader Ratings: 78 Free NeoReader Ratings: 19Free QRCode ReaderRatings: 12 $0.99 Fun2D_QR_Code_ReaderRatings: 12 Free Barcode Scanner Ratings: 6 Free i-nigma Ratings: 6 Free QuickBarcodeReader No ratings Free Let's try to evaluate them although I must note I have not that much experience with working with barcodes and QR code. I'd be interested to find and purchase a program which will reliably and quickly read barcodes (and QR codes) , will send them to a web service (which can be defined in program settings) and gets back (maybe in another program which will run on WP7 in parallel) some information about a product/services, which barcode was scanned/shot by camera Thank you. -- Shamil 19 ??????? 2011, 13:55 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > Yes, I found one (free) which reads common barcodes as EAN/UPC, PDF417, Datamatrix, as well as QR-codes: > > Leadtools Barcode Demo > > It works very well and is intended to demonstrate a SDK offered by Leadtools. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 09:13 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". > And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > 18 ??????? 2011, 17:21 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > Hi Shamil > > > > Finally, today I installed the latest version 7.5 Mango on our phones. > > Looks exiting. Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time. One, however, I've missed - a QR code reader. > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 03-12-2011 00:42 >>> > > Hi Gustav -- > > > > Thank you for your notes and links - I have got a few other ones (see P.S.), which allowed me to start WP7 test development > > I have already got all the development stuff installed and I can create WP7 solutions, build and run them in emulation mode on my PC... > > > > So we are just two here - happy owners on Windows Phone 7/7.5? > > Anybody else? > > > > BTW, I have given my WP7.5 to play to my son (he is 10+ years old) and to compare to his Samsung Fit with Android 2.x - and my son wasn't impressed by my WP at all :( (:) > > Yes, MS has to do quite a lot on this "frontline" to get kids and teens "back to Windows (Phones)". > > "Angry Birds", "Doodle Jump" and many other popular games are free for Android - very important option for kids. > > Even with 1-3USD price for "Angry Birds" and "Doodle Jump" MS risks to miss WP market for children... > > > > Have you got registered on > > > > Windows Phone Development Registration page > > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/ ? > > > > I'm considering registering there if it will give some additional information on WP7, if not, then I will stay unregistered till I'll get something ready to publish on that site. Registration is 99USD/year. > > > > I'm also interested will WP7.5 Internet Tethering work here in Russia with my mobile provider or not (http://www.winrumors.com/windows-phone-7-5-internet-tethering-feature-only-available-on-new-devices/) - they say this feature is opened/blocked by mobile operators. I have mobile USB modem which I use with my laptop when on the road or outside of my broadband Internet connection - if WP7 Internet Tethering will be available here then I will use it instead of USB modem... > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Dec 19 06:15:03 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 13:15:03 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil No, I picked the Leadtools app because its description sounded trustworthy and it was free. As it proved to work clever and reliable, I haven't looked further. You click a code, a voice tells you if the app can read it, and next you are offered to search for the code if a barcode was found, or - if a QR-code - it just looks up the URL. Later research showed that they label themselves as "The World Leader in Imaging SDKs" which may not be false. I don't know, but the app works fine and, of course, uses their SDK for QR/barcode scanning. The SDK for Windows Phone is described here: http://www.leadtools.com/sdk/silverlight/windows-phone.htm Quite comprehensive and at a price ... cheapest package seems to be listed at USD 995 - well beyond my budget. For your purpose, custom programming is probably needed. I've seen some open-source projects for reading QR-codes and I guess you can find one as well for barcodes, but I haven't looked for such. /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 12:40 >>> Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your reply. ? Did you try http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/search?q=Barcode%20Reader it returns a set of available programs Microsoft? Tag Reader Ratings: 564 Free Pic2shop Ratings: 98 Free QuickMark Ratings: 79 Free Butterkiss QR Scanner Ratings: 22 Free PSA barcode scanner Ratings: 66 $1.99 Barcode Reader Ratings: 12 Free Quick Reader Ratings: 78 Free NeoReader Ratings: 19Free QRCode ReaderRatings: 12 $0.99 Fun2D_QR_Code_ReaderRatings: 12 Free Barcode Scanner Ratings: 6 Free i-nigma Ratings: 6 Free QuickBarcodeReader No ratings Free Let's try to evaluate them although I must note I have not that much experience with working with barcodes and QR code. I'd be interested to find and purchase a program which will reliably and quickly read barcodes (and QR codes) , will send them to a web service (which can be defined in program settings) and gets back (maybe in another program which will run on WP7 in parallel) some information about a product/services, which barcode was scanned/shot by camera Thank you. -- Shamil 19 ??????? 2011, 13:55 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > Yes, I found one (free) which reads common barcodes as EAN/UPC, PDF417, Datamatrix, as well as QR-codes: > > Leadtools Barcode Demo > > It works very well and is intended to demonstrate a SDK offered by Leadtools. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 09:13 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". > And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Dec 19 06:46:21 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 16:46:21 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your remark. I have got LeadTools Barcode Reader app installed on my WP7. Did you get managed to run its 'Live capture' feature? Any Barcode reading feature? Did you read comments here: http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/cbda342b-8fc5-4c9b-9063-079417a809e6 ? FYI: I have used LEADTools package for one of the applications for one of my customers. That was almost 10 years ago. And it was very impressive that times already. Yes, LEADTools should be reliablle ... and pricey. Yes, if you can find open source projects for bar code reading of QR-codes I'd be interested to look at it. Thank you. -- Shamil 19 ??????? 2011, 16:10 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > No, I picked the Leadtools app because its description sounded trustworthy and it was free. As it proved to work clever and reliable, I haven't looked further. > You click a code, a voice tells you if the app can read it, and next you are offered to search for the code if a barcode was found, or - if a QR-code - it just looks up the URL. > > Later research showed that they label themselves as "The World Leader in Imaging SDKs" which may not be false. I don't know, but the app works fine and, of course, uses their SDK for QR/barcode scanning. > > The SDK for Windows Phone is described here: > http://www.leadtools.com/sdk/silverlight/windows-phone.htm > > Quite comprehensive and at a price ... cheapest package seems to be listed at USD 995 - well beyond my budget. > > For your purpose, custom programming is probably needed. I've seen some open-source projects for reading QR-codes and I guess you can find one as well for barcodes, but I haven't looked for such. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 12:40 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Thank you for your reply. > > ? Did you try > > http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/search?q=Barcode%20Reader > > it returns a set of available programs > > Microsoft? Tag Reader Ratings: 564 Free > Pic2shop Ratings: 98 Free > QuickMark Ratings: 79 Free > Butterkiss QR Scanner Ratings: 22 Free > PSA barcode scanner Ratings: 66 $1.99 > Barcode Reader Ratings: 12 Free > Quick Reader Ratings: 78 Free > NeoReader Ratings: 19Free > QRCode ReaderRatings: 12 $0.99 > Fun2D_QR_Code_ReaderRatings: 12 Free > Barcode Scanner Ratings: 6 Free > i-nigma Ratings: 6 Free > QuickBarcodeReader No ratings Free > > Let's try to evaluate them although I must note I have not that much experience with working with barcodes and QR code. > > I'd be interested to find and purchase a program which will reliably and quickly read barcodes (and QR codes) , will send them to a web service (which can be defined in program settings) and gets back (maybe in another program which will run on WP7 in parallel) some information about a product/services, which barcode was scanned/shot by camera > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > 19 ??????? 2011, 13:55 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > Hi Shamil > > > > Yes, I found one (free) which reads common barcodes as EAN/UPC, PDF417, Datamatrix, as well as QR-codes: > > > > Leadtools Barcode Demo > > > > It works very well and is intended to demonstrate a SDK offered by Leadtools. > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 09:13 >>> > > Hi Gustav -- > > > > Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". > > And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Dec 19 07:05:07 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 17:05:07 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- Additional note: - LeadTools didn't work for me or I used it improperly, - Pic2Shop didn't work also but - i-nigma - http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/828c4e78-1d2b-4fd2-ad22-fde9c553e263 - worked well for flat surface printed barcodes and it even read bar code from a bottle of wine label... So I plan to remove LedTools and Pic2Shop and use i-nigma for technology demonstration purposes. Thank you. -- Shamil 19 ??????? 2011, 16:10 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > No, I picked the Leadtools app because its description sounded trustworthy and it was free. As it proved to work clever and reliable, I haven't looked further. > You click a code, a voice tells you if the app can read it, and next you are offered to search for the code if a barcode was found, or - if a QR-code - it just looks up the URL. > > Later research showed that they label themselves as "The World Leader in Imaging SDKs" which may not be false. I don't know, but the app works fine and, of course, uses their SDK for QR/barcode scanning. > > The SDK for Windows Phone is described here: > http://www.leadtools.com/sdk/silverlight/windows-phone.htm > > Quite comprehensive and at a price ... cheapest package seems to be listed at USD 995 - well beyond my budget. > > For your purpose, custom programming is probably needed. I've seen some open-source projects for reading QR-codes and I guess you can find one as well for barcodes, but I haven't looked for such. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 12:40 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Thank you for your reply. > > ? Did you try > > http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/search?q=Barcode%20Reader > > it returns a set of available programs > > Microsoft? Tag Reader Ratings: 564 Free > Pic2shop Ratings: 98 Free > QuickMark Ratings: 79 Free > Butterkiss QR Scanner Ratings: 22 Free > PSA barcode scanner Ratings: 66 $1.99 > Barcode Reader Ratings: 12 Free > Quick Reader Ratings: 78 Free > NeoReader Ratings: 19Free > QRCode ReaderRatings: 12 $0.99 > Fun2D_QR_Code_ReaderRatings: 12 Free > Barcode Scanner Ratings: 6 Free > i-nigma Ratings: 6 Free > QuickBarcodeReader No ratings Free > > Let's try to evaluate them although I must note I have not that much experience with working with barcodes and QR code. > > I'd be interested to find and purchase a program which will reliably and quickly read barcodes (and QR codes) , will send them to a web service (which can be defined in program settings) and gets back (maybe in another program which will run on WP7 in parallel) some information about a product/services, which barcode was scanned/shot by camera > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > 19 ??????? 2011, 13:55 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > Hi Shamil > > > > Yes, I found one (free) which reads common barcodes as EAN/UPC, PDF417, Datamatrix, as well as QR-codes: > > > > Leadtools Barcode Demo > > > > It works very well and is intended to demonstrate a SDK offered by Leadtools. > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 09:13 >>> > > Hi Gustav -- > > > > Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". > > And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Dec 19 13:14:39 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 23:14:39 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?jQuery_Mobile_1=2E0?= Message-ID: Hi All -- FYI: jQuery Mobile 1.0 http://jquerymobile.com/demos/1.0/? Thank you. -- Shamil? From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Dec 19 15:57:42 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 01:57:42 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- > Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of t Did you try to setup and use AppFlow? (free) http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/578ef361-c265-46b7-b6f4-63cbd7fbefe0 "Browse and discover apps in a new, engaging and beautiful way. AppFlow presents a unique way to explore the marketplace via its Lists, Discovery and Stats features." Thank you. -- Shamil 18 ??????? 2011, 17:21 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > Finally, today I installed the latest version 7.5 Mango on our phones. > Looks exiting. Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time. One, however, I've missed - a QR code reader. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 03-12-2011 00:42 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Thank you for your notes and links - I have got a few other ones (see P.S.), which allowed me to start WP7 test development > I have already got all the development stuff installed and I can create WP7 solutions, build and run them in emulation mode on my PC... > > So we are just two here - happy owners on Windows Phone 7/7.5? > Anybody else? > > BTW, I have given my WP7.5 to play to my son (he is 10+ years old) and to compare to his Samsung Fit with Android 2.x - and my son wasn't impressed by my WP at all :( (:) > Yes, MS has to do quite a lot on this "frontline" to get kids and teens "back to Windows (Phones)". > "Angry Birds", "Doodle Jump" and many other popular games are free for Android - very important option for kids. > Even with 1-3USD price for "Angry Birds" and "Doodle Jump" MS risks to miss WP market for children... > > Have you got registered on > > Windows Phone Development Registration page > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/ ? > > I'm considering registering there if it will give some additional information on WP7, if not, then I will stay unregistered till I'll get something ready to publish on that site. Registration is 99USD/year. > > I'm also interested will WP7.5 Internet Tethering work here in Russia with my mobile provider or not (http://www.winrumors.com/windows-phone-7-5-internet-tethering-feature-only-available-on-new-devices/) - they say this feature is opened/blocked by mobile operators. I have mobile USB modem which I use with my laptop when on the road or outside of my broadband Internet connection - if WP7 Internet Tethering will be available here then I will use it instead of USB modem... > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Mon Dec 19 23:58:43 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 21:58:43 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] jQuery Mobile 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <194C9F6A-82AC-4996-812C-5EF4EF228F11@phulse.com> I am a loyal jQuery fan, but jQuery Mobile still feels really slow compared to something like Sencha Touch. I was hoping they would have improved it significantly by now, but it appears that they just haven't been able to achieve as much as is necessary for a good, smooth experience. - Hans On 2011-12-19, at 11:14 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi All -- > > FYI: jQuery Mobile 1.0 > > http://jquerymobile.com/demos/1.0/ > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue Dec 20 00:18:06 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 10:18:06 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?jQuery_Mobile_1=2E0?= In-Reply-To: <194C9F6A-82AC-4996-812C-5EF4EF228F11@phulse.com> References: <194C9F6A-82AC-4996-812C-5EF4EF228F11@phulse.com> Message-ID: Hi Hans -- Thank you for your remark. I have tried on WP7 (Nokia Lumia 800) several jQuery Mobile demos from the link I've posted - and I have found it good, not perfect but good and smooth enough. I was unaware of Sencha Touch - I have found it now after your remark (http://www.sencha.com/products/touch) - I will check it. Although jQuery is a kind of "de-facto standard" JavaScript framework used even in ASP.NET ... Thank you. -- Shamil 20 ??????? 2011, 09:58 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : > I am a loyal jQuery fan, but jQuery Mobile still feels really slow compared to something like Sencha Touch. I was hoping they would have improved it significantly by now, but it appears that they just haven't been able to achieve as much as is necessary for a good, smooth experience. > > - Hans > > On 2011-12-19, at 11:14 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > > > Hi All -- > > > > FYI: jQuery Mobile 1.0 > > > > http://jquerymobile.com/demos/1.0/ > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Dec 20 00:38:27 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 22:38:27 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] jQuery Mobile 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <194C9F6A-82AC-4996-812C-5EF4EF228F11@phulse.com> Message-ID: <1C71E894-9B32-4DAD-9A2E-5092D5F65668@phulse.com> > Although jQuery is a kind of "de-facto standard" JavaScript framework used even in ASP.NET ? Agreed, but, in my case, I decided that I had to go with what felt like the best experience to a user. Hopefully they will get query on par with sencha touch, because, if they do, I will switch in a heartbeat. Give it a go. You will see what difference there is. - Hans On 2011-12-19, at 10:18 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi Hans -- > > Thank you for your remark. > > I have tried on WP7 (Nokia Lumia 800) several jQuery Mobile demos from the link I've posted - and I have found it good, not perfect but good and smooth enough. > > I was unaware of Sencha Touch - I have found it now after your remark (http://www.sencha.com/products/touch) - I will check it. > > Although jQuery is a kind of "de-facto standard" JavaScript framework used even in ASP.NET ... > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > 20 ??????? 2011, 09:58 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : >> I am a loyal jQuery fan, but jQuery Mobile still feels really slow compared to something like Sencha Touch. I was hoping they would have improved it significantly by now, but it appears that they just haven't been able to achieve as much as is necessary for a good, smooth experience. >> >> - Hans >> >> On 2011-12-19, at 11:14 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: >> >>> Hi All -- >>> >>> FYI: jQuery Mobile 1.0 >>> >>> http://jquerymobile.com/demos/1.0/ >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> -- Shamil >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-VB mailing list >>> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Dec 20 02:01:51 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 09:01:51 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil Thanks, i-nigma looks promising indeed. I'll check it out. Another reason to get hold on a bottle of wine ... /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 14:05 >>> Hi Gustav -- Additional note: - LeadTools didn't work for me or I used it improperly, - Pic2Shop didn't work also but - i-nigma - http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/828c4e78-1d2b-4fd2-ad22-fde9c553e263 - worked well for flat surface printed barcodes and it even read bar code from a bottle of wine label... So I plan to remove LedTools and Pic2Shop and use i-nigma for technology demonstration purposes. Thank you. -- Shamil 19 ??????? 2011, 16:10 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > No, I picked the Leadtools app because its description sounded trustworthy and it was free. As it proved to work clever and reliable, I haven't looked further. > You click a code, a voice tells you if the app can read it, and next you are offered to search for the code if a barcode was found, or - if a QR-code - it just looks up the URL. > > Later research showed that they label themselves as "The World Leader in Imaging SDKs" which may not be false. I don't know, but the app works fine and, of course, uses their SDK for QR/barcode scanning. > > The SDK for Windows Phone is described here: > http://www.leadtools.com/sdk/silverlight/windows-phone.htm > > Quite comprehensive and at a price ... cheapest package seems to be listed at USD 995 - well beyond my budget. > > For your purpose, custom programming is probably needed. I've seen some open-source projects for reading QR-codes and I guess you can find one as well for barcodes, but I haven't looked for such. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 12:40 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Thank you for your reply. > > ? Did you try > > http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/search?q=Barcode%20Reader > > it returns a set of available programs > > Microsoft? Tag Reader Ratings: 564 Free > Pic2shop Ratings: 98 Free > QuickMark Ratings: 79 Free > Butterkiss QR Scanner Ratings: 22 Free > PSA barcode scanner Ratings: 66 $1.99 > Barcode Reader Ratings: 12 Free > Quick Reader Ratings: 78 Free > NeoReader Ratings: 19Free > QRCode ReaderRatings: 12 $0.99 > Fun2D_QR_Code_ReaderRatings: 12 Free > Barcode Scanner Ratings: 6 Free > i-nigma Ratings: 6 Free > QuickBarcodeReader No ratings Free > > Let's try to evaluate them although I must note I have not that much experience with working with barcodes and QR code. > > I'd be interested to find and purchase a program which will reliably and quickly read barcodes (and QR codes) , will send them to a web service (which can be defined in program settings) and gets back (maybe in another program which will run on WP7 in parallel) some information about a product/services, which barcode was scanned/shot by camera > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > 19 ??????? 2011, 13:55 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > Hi Shamil > > > > Yes, I found one (free) which reads common barcodes as EAN/UPC, PDF417, Datamatrix, as well as QR-codes: > > > > Leadtools Barcode Demo > > > > It works very well and is intended to demonstrate a SDK offered by Leadtools. > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 09:13 >>> > > Hi Gustav -- > > > > Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". > > And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Dec 20 02:02:43 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 09:02:43 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil Thanks. No, I used the web page on my pc which allows for a better view of the screenshots. But this one looks very good if you only have the phone at hand. /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 22:57 >>> Hi Gustav -- > Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time Did you try to setup and use AppFlow? (free) http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/578ef361-c265-46b7-b6f4-63cbd7fbefe0 "Browse and discover apps in a new, engaging and beautiful way. AppFlow presents a unique way to explore the marketplace via its Lists, Discovery and Stats features." Thank you. -- Shamil From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue Dec 20 03:24:56 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:24:56 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav at all -- Have a look I have made a "micro research" on bar- and QR- code reading programs for WP7: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/BarCodeReaders.htm Yes, i-nigma is surely a "favorite toy" now but I didn't get setup a few programs mentioned in my research because they are not available on Russian market. The above page is a copy and paste from MS Excel worksheet. If you're interested in the published info please make a copy of it as I'm planning to remove this web page in a few days and probably publish a short note with this info on a Russian web site Thank you. -- Shamil 20 ??????? 2011, 11:57 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > Thanks, i-nigma looks promising indeed. I'll check it out. > Another reason to get hold on a bottle of wine ... > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 14:05 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Additional note: > > - LeadTools didn't work for me or I used it improperly, > - Pic2Shop didn't work also but > - i-nigma - http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/828c4e78-1d2b-4fd2-ad22-fde9c553e263 - worked well for flat surface printed barcodes and it even read bar code from a bottle of wine label... > > So I plan to remove LedTools and Pic2Shop and use i-nigma for technology demonstration purposes. > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > 19 ??????? 2011, 16:10 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > Hi Shamil > > > > No, I picked the Leadtools app because its description sounded trustworthy and it was free. As it proved to work clever and reliable, I haven't looked further. > > You click a code, a voice tells you if the app can read it, and next you are offered to search for the code if a barcode was found, or - if a QR-code - it just looks up the URL. > > > > Later research showed that they label themselves as "The World Leader in Imaging SDKs" which may not be false. I don't know, but the app works fine and, of course, uses their SDK for QR/barcode scanning. > > > > The SDK for Windows Phone is described here: > > http://www.leadtools.com/sdk/silverlight/windows-phone.htm > > > > Quite comprehensive and at a price ... cheapest package seems to be listed at USD 995 - well beyond my budget. > > > > For your purpose, custom programming is probably needed. I've seen some open-source projects for reading QR-codes and I guess you can find one as well for barcodes, but I haven't looked for such. > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 12:40 >>> > > Hi Gustav -- > > > > Thank you for your reply. > > > > ? Did you try > > > > http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/search?q=Barcode%20Reader > > > > it returns a set of available programs > > > > Microsoft? Tag Reader Ratings: 564 Free > > Pic2shop Ratings: 98 Free > > QuickMark Ratings: 79 Free > > Butterkiss QR Scanner Ratings: 22 Free > > PSA barcode scanner Ratings: 66 $1.99 > > Barcode Reader Ratings: 12 Free > > Quick Reader Ratings: 78 Free > > NeoReader Ratings: 19Free > > QRCode ReaderRatings: 12 $0.99 > > Fun2D_QR_Code_ReaderRatings: 12 Free > > Barcode Scanner Ratings: 6 Free > > i-nigma Ratings: 6 Free > > QuickBarcodeReader No ratings Free > > > > Let's try to evaluate them although I must note I have not that much experience with working with barcodes and QR code. > > > > I'd be interested to find and purchase a program which will reliably and quickly read barcodes (and QR codes) , will send them to a web service (which can be defined in program settings) and gets back (maybe in another program which will run on WP7 in parallel) some information about a product/services, which barcode was scanned/shot by camera > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > > > 19 ??????? 2011, 13:55 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > > Hi Shamil > > > > > > Yes, I found one (free) which reads common barcodes as EAN/UPC, PDF417, Datamatrix, as well as QR-codes: > > > > > > Leadtools Barcode Demo > > > > > > It works very well and is intended to demonstrate a SDK offered by Leadtools. > > > > > > /gustav > > > > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 09:13 >>> > > > Hi Gustav -- > > > > > > Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". > > > And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > -- Shamil > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Dec 20 04:34:30 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 11:34:30 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil Thanks a lot! I'll download the worksheet. As I've only tested Barcode Reader, I can add that it does read QR-code and it - at least - does work under some conditions. /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 20-12-2011 10:24 >>> Hi Gustav at all -- Have a look I have made a "micro research" on bar- and QR- code reading programs for WP7: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/BarCodeReaders.htm Yes, i-nigma is surely a "favorite toy" now but I didn't get setup a few programs mentioned in my research because they are not available on Russian market. The above page is a copy and paste from MS Excel worksheet. If you're interested in the published info please make a copy of it as I'm planning to remove this web page in a few days and probably publish a short note with this info on a Russian web site Thank you. -- Shamil From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue Dec 20 05:23:16 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 15:23:16 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?jQuery_Mobile_1=2E0?= In-Reply-To: <1C71E894-9B32-4DAD-9A2E-5092D5F65668@phulse.com> References: <1C71E894-9B32-4DAD-9A2E-5092D5F65668@phulse.com> Message-ID: Hi Hans -- I have tried to run http://dev.sencha.com/deploy/touch/examples/kitchensink/ on WP NOKIA Lumia 800 - it didn't work at all - "white screen" - completely white ans nothing else. I have then tried the same sample/demo on my kid Samsung Galaxy Fit (Android 2.x) and it worked well. Although: - on NOKIA Lumia 800 the above site root (www.sencha.com) is getting opened in mobile mode and - on Samsung Galaxy Fit in "normal browser mode" I've saved link to Sencha Touch to look at it from time to time to see when it will get working well on WP7 - it looks like the problem is with WP7's IE not (fully?) supporting HTML5? Thank you. -- Shamil 20 ??????? 2011, 10:38 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : > > > Although jQuery is a kind of "de-facto standard" JavaScript framework used even in ASP.NET ? > > Agreed, but, in my case, I decided that I had to go with what felt like the best experience to a user. Hopefully they will get query on par with sencha touch, because, if they do, I will switch in a heartbeat. Give it a go. You will see what difference there is. > > - Hans > > On 2011-12-19, at 10:18 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > > > Hi Hans -- > > > > Thank you for your remark. > > > > I have tried on WP7 (Nokia Lumia 800) several jQuery Mobile demos from the link I've posted - and I have found it good, not perfect but good and smooth enough. > > > > I was unaware of Sencha Touch - I have found it now after your remark (http://www.sencha.com/products/touch) - I will check it. > > > > Although jQuery is a kind of "de-facto standard" JavaScript framework used even in ASP.NET ... > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > > > > > 20 ??????? 2011, 09:58 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : > >> I am a loyal jQuery fan, but jQuery Mobile still feels really slow compared to something like Sencha Touch. I was hoping they would have improved it significantly by now, but it appears that they just haven't been able to achieve as much as is necessary for a good, smooth experience. > >> > >> - Hans > >> > >> On 2011-12-19, at 11:14 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > >> > >>> Hi All -- > >>> > >>> FYI: jQuery Mobile 1.0 > >>> > >>> http://jquerymobile.com/demos/1.0/ > >>> > >>> Thank you. > >>> > >>> -- Shamil > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> dba-VB mailing list > >>> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > >>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >>> > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Dec 20 09:41:57 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 07:41:57 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] jQuery Mobile 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1C71E894-9B32-4DAD-9A2E-5092D5F65668@phulse.com> Message-ID: <590AB593-2804-4380-A3E3-01A55C8EBC14@phulse.com> Hi Shamil, Oh dear. Sorry for recommending something that doesn't even work for you. :) To be honest, this is the first time anyone I know has tested Sencha Touch on a WP7 phone (you're the only person I know who has a WP7 phone), so it didn't occur to me whether ST 1.x supported that platform. I looked into it briefly now and my understanding is that WP7 support has not been there yet, due to the fact that it was based on IE7/8. However, with Sencha Touch 2.0 being released imminently and WP7 adopting IE9, that will change (or perhaps already has?). That is as much as I know. I suppose I should mention that ST is different to jQuery (Mobile) in the sense that you build things as an HTML5/CSS3 application in ST (using ExtJS as the equivalent of jQuery), rather than cobbling things together manually like you do in jQuery, so that probably explains why their WP7 support needs to be worked on. - Hans On 2011-12-20, at 3:23 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi Hans -- > > I have tried to run > > http://dev.sencha.com/deploy/touch/examples/kitchensink/ > > on WP NOKIA Lumia 800 - it didn't work at all - "white screen" - completely white ans nothing else. > > I have then tried the same sample/demo on my kid Samsung Galaxy Fit (Android 2.x) and it worked well. > > Although: > > - on NOKIA Lumia 800 the above site root (www.sencha.com) is getting opened in mobile mode and > - on Samsung Galaxy Fit in "normal browser mode" > > I've saved link to Sencha Touch to look at it from time to time to see when it will get working well on WP7 - it looks like the problem is with WP7's IE not (fully?) supporting HTML5? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > 20 ??????? 2011, 10:38 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : >> >>> Although jQuery is a kind of "de-facto standard" JavaScript framework used even in ASP.NET ? >> >> Agreed, but, in my case, I decided that I had to go with what felt like the best experience to a user. Hopefully they will get query on par with sencha touch, because, if they do, I will switch in a heartbeat. Give it a go. You will see what difference there is. >> >> - Hans >> >> On 2011-12-19, at 10:18 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: >> >>> Hi Hans -- >>> >>> Thank you for your remark. >>> >>> I have tried on WP7 (Nokia Lumia 800) several jQuery Mobile demos from the link I've posted - and I have found it good, not perfect but good and smooth enough. >>> >>> I was unaware of Sencha Touch - I have found it now after your remark (http://www.sencha.com/products/touch) - I will check it. >>> >>> Although jQuery is a kind of "de-facto standard" JavaScript framework used even in ASP.NET ... >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> -- Shamil >>> >>> >>> 20 ??????? 2011, 09:58 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : >>>> I am a loyal jQuery fan, but jQuery Mobile still feels really slow compared to something like Sencha Touch. I was hoping they would have improved it significantly by now, but it appears that they just haven't been able to achieve as much as is necessary for a good, smooth experience. >>>> >>>> - Hans >>>> >>>> On 2011-12-19, at 11:14 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi All -- >>>>> >>>>> FYI: jQuery Mobile 1.0 >>>>> >>>>> http://jquerymobile.com/demos/1.0/ >>>>> >>>>> Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> -- Shamil >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> dba-VB mailing list >>>>> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >>>>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-VB mailing list >>> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Dec 28 14:20:35 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 15:20:35 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] but does it run... Message-ID: <4EFB7A13.8040003@colbyconsulting.com> http://www.raspberrypi.org/ They are apparently close to production. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Dec 28 14:36:42 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 12:36:42 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] but does it run... In-Reply-To: <4EFB7A13.8040003@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EFB7A13.8040003@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4BF6A99969CC41F4A00FB89BE229A109@creativesystemdesigns.com> By all comments it does in fact run and run well. Nothing fancy for $25 but it works. :-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:21 PM To: Paul Hollar; VBA; Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [dba-VB] but does it run... http://www.raspberrypi.org/ They are apparently close to production. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Dec 28 14:42:55 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 12:42:55 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] So what is super hot in the tech world? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <049D77D9530A404F9C1B51EBD72D5BE5@creativesystemdesigns.com> You have to look no further than the NoSQL super database called Hadoop. Development in this product has been drawing the best and the brightest from all over the computer world. With databases now exceeded 100 million records the SQL structured DBs no longer functions well in this new environment. http://tinyurl.com/d28d3r6 Jim From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Dec 28 15:55:19 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:55:19 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] So what is super hot in the tech world? In-Reply-To: <049D77D9530A404F9C1B51EBD72D5BE5@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: , <049D77D9530A404F9C1B51EBD72D5BE5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4EFB9047.14178.47C997D4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Yada, yada, yada. Still evangelising I see :-) 100 million records is not per se a problem for a SQL structured DB. No matter how many times people claim that it is, NoSQL is NOT a replacement for SQL, NoSQL is just a group of solutions to manage types of data that SQL is not ideal for. You might just as well say: With images exceeding several megabytes in size, NoAccess is much better than Access for manipulating graphic data. Take for instance the NoAcess super application called PhotoShop. -- Stuart On 28 Dec 2011 at 12:42, Jim Lawrence wrote: > You have to look no further than the NoSQL super database called Hadoop. > Development in this product has been drawing the best and the brightest from > all over the computer world. > > With databases now exceeded 100 million records the SQL structured DBs no > longer functions well in this new environment. > > http://tinyurl.com/d28d3r6 > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Dec 28 16:20:26 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 14:20:26 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] So what is super hot in the tech world? In-Reply-To: <4EFB9047.14178.47C997D4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <049D77D9530A404F9C1B51EBD72D5BE5@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4EFB9047.14178.47C997D4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <2033A8BCA1D44F779154FFE8778189B1@creativesystemdesigns.com> It does not matter what you or I think, it what is important and real. That what is super hot in the computer business is Hadoop. I may never use the product other than to play with but we have to keep abreast on the market trends. The difference between NoSQL and SQL databases is like Mya and Photoshop...one processes thousands of images and one, just one image at a time. We may never need anything more than Photoshop but for those in the image and movie business, Mya is one of the products of choice. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 1:55 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'; 'Discussion concerning MS SQL Server' Subject: Re: [dba-VB] So what is super hot in the tech world? Yada, yada, yada. Still evangelising I see :-) 100 million records is not per se a problem for a SQL structured DB. No matter how many times people claim that it is, NoSQL is NOT a replacement for SQL, NoSQL is just a group of solutions to manage types of data that SQL is not ideal for. You might just as well say: With images exceeding several megabytes in size, NoAccess is much better than Access for manipulating graphic data. Take for instance the NoAcess super application called PhotoShop. -- Stuart On 28 Dec 2011 at 12:42, Jim Lawrence wrote: > You have to look no further than the NoSQL super database called Hadoop. > Development in this product has been drawing the best and the brightest from > all over the computer world. > > With databases now exceeded 100 million records the SQL structured DBs no > longer functions well in this new environment. > > http://tinyurl.com/d28d3r6 > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com Thu Dec 29 10:32:09 2011 From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 11:32:09 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Administrivia - List Archives Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I just wanted to let you all know that the archives are back online after a lengthy delay. If you notice ANYTHING unusual about the archives, PLEASE let me know, listmaster at databaseadvisors.com or carbonnb at gmail.com. The search functionality should be up and running again very shortly too. I want to apologize for having the archives off-line for such a long time, but, unfortunately, life got in the way. :( I hope you all have a wonderful and prosperous New Year! -- Bryan Carbonnell - listmaster at databaseadvisors.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Dec 29 16:08:11 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 17:08:11 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] C# Newbie Question Message-ID: I've got a simple little RichTextEditor program working in C#, thanks to a book I'm working through. But the code I have makes a simple assumption, a hard-coded filename to load and read back. That works ok, as do all the buttons (Bold, etc.), but I want to move this up a notch and call the FileSave and FileOpen stuff rather than use the hard-coded filename. Can anyone help me do this? I want the Open button to invoke the standard dialog and the Save button to invoke the standard FileSaveAs dialog. I'm guessing this can be done in a line or two, and I know how to do it from Access, but I don't have any idea how to do it from C#. Any advice most gratefully appreciated. Thanks and to one and all, Happy New Year! You can deduce how exciting is my life, by the fact that I'm doing this as opposed to roasting chestnuts on a fire with a lovely loved one :) -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. From michael at ddisolutions.com.au Thu Dec 29 18:38:47 2011 From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 11:38:47 +1100 Subject: [dba-VB] C# Newbie Question References: Message-ID: <99266C61B516644D9727F983FAFAB46511B9D2@remote.ddisolutions.com.au> Hi Arthur, Doesn't get much more newbie than this ;-) In the old VB world I assume that like me we all had a dialog class that we reused from project to project. That class would have included various win32 api calls. The dotnet framework libraries are huge and it will take time to suss out where the objects you need are. MSDN and help are pretty good these days, I recommend browsing the contents and reading what seems interesting or useful. VS2010 comes with a number of standard dialogs in the toolbox by default, color, browser, font, open and save. You have 2 options. Drag the control onto a form or declare an instance in your code. Drag onto form and set properties in the property window. Call the openFileDialog1.ShowDialog ( ) method and you are in business. If you declare an instance in your code you just need to make sure you ref 'using System.Windows.Forms;' Then create the dialog using ' private OpenFileDialog dlg = new OpenFileDialog ( );' or however you want to create and scope the object. HTH Michael M Subject: [dba-VB] C# Newbie Question I've got a simple little RichTextEditor program working in C#, thanks to a book I'm working through. But the code I have makes a simple assumption, a hard-coded filename to load and read back. That works ok, as do all the buttons (Bold, etc.), but I want to move this up a notch and call the FileSave and FileOpen stuff rather than use the hard-coded filename. Can anyone help me do this? I want the Open button to invoke the standard dialog and the Save button to invoke the standard FileSaveAs dialog. I'm guessing this can be done in a line or two, and I know how to do it from Access, but I don't have any idea how to do it from C#. Any advice most gratefully appreciated. Thanks and to one and all, Happy New Year! You can deduce how exciting is my life, by the fact that I'm doing this as opposed to roasting chestnuts on a fire with a lovely loved one :) -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1416 / Virus Database: 2109/4110 - Release Date: 12/29/11 From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 30 02:45:36 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 09:45:36 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] C# Newbie Question Message-ID: Hi Arthur A coding life is a happy life! /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 29-12-2011 23:08 >>> I've got a simple little RichTextEditor program working in C#, thanks to a book I'm working through. But the code I have makes a simple assumption, a hard-coded filename to load and read back. That works ok, as do all the buttons (Bold, etc.), but I want to move this up a notch and call the FileSave and FileOpen stuff rather than use the hard-coded filename. Can anyone help me do this? I want the Open button to invoke the standard dialog and the Save button to invoke the standard FileSaveAs dialog. I'm guessing this can be done in a line or two, and I know how to do it from Access, but I don't have any idea how to do it from C#. Any advice most gratefully appreciated. Thanks and to one and all, Happy New Year! You can deduce how exciting is my life, by the fact that I'm doing this as opposed to roasting chestnuts on a fire with a lovely loved one :) -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. From michael at ddisolutions.com.au Thu Dec 1 01:07:47 2011 From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 18:07:47 +1100 Subject: [dba-VB] vb.net vs c#.net References: <20111130221947.DPTS28897.mta02.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz>, , <4ED6FDE3.14088.38C4BD1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <99266C61B516644D9727F983FAFAB46511B8F7@remote.ddisolutions.com.au> I haven't noticed any elitism personally. Clients do seem to be aware of C# though. I started using VB.net in the early days but changed to C# because I was still supporting VB6 apps at the time. I just found myself getting confused ;-) I now would never consider starting a new project in VB.net unless it was specifically required. { Do seem to make your code neater } Cheers Michael M Don't forget the curly brackets - go to have lots of loverly curly brackets too :-) -- Stuart On 30 Nov 2011 at 17:51, Arthur Fuller wrote: > IME, I have observed the elitist preference for C# in the marketplace, > and the dimunition of Vb.NET in the same marketplace. There are a few > differences, AFICS, but there are translators to overcome this. That > said, almost all that is required to move from VB to C# is a bunch of > semi-colons. But the marketplace seems to regard these as worth at > least > $20 an hour more income. So I have dived into C#. Most of the > transition has proved trivial. > > A. > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2102/4049 - Release Date: 11/30/11 From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Dec 1 03:05:36 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 13:05:36 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?vb=2Enet_vs_c=23=2Enet?= In-Reply-To: <20111130221947.DPTS28897.mta02.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz> References: <20111130221947.DPTS28897.mta02.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz> Message-ID: Hi David -- I do use C#. I have made one large VB.NET training project when transitioning to .NET development but after that (that was VS2003?) I have switched to C# development and I'm using it today... As David noted C# syntax is close to Java and I used to port some Java code to C# when there was no C# samples available. That was easy. But that "syntactical closeness" wasn't my main reason to use primarily C# in .NET development. BTW, when you're getting fluent with C# then using VB.NET and VBA becomes an issue (at least for me and that happens after 10+ years of using VBA/VB6 in development) - I mean being "bilingual" C# and VB.NET requires IMO constant everyday usage of both languages, if you'll just use one of them then using another would result in some coding slow down - several days until you'll get on speed again.... I personally do not see any reasons to be bilingual C# and VB.NET in real life projects development... And getting fluent with C# would let you to try to get on speed with C++(/CLI) development, which together with WinRT promise to be one of the main development languages on Windows Phone/Windows Metro Style "development arena"... Thank you. -- Shamil 01 ??????? 2011, 02:20 ?? David Emerson : > Just out of curiosity, a comment I read recently was that 99% of .net > programmers seem to be using c#. > > As far as this group goes: > > What are peoples preferences? > > What do you do most of your development work in? > > Regards > > David Emerson > Dalyn Software Ltd > Wellington, New Zealand > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From jeff.developer at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 10:22:18 2011 From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff B) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 10:22:18 -0600 Subject: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET In-Reply-To: References: <003001cca076$20a08e80$61e1ab80$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004201ccb045$6618e000$324aa000$@gmail.com> Hey Doug, Thanks for the help and sample code. I decided to follow your example and store the sig as a jpg image in a folder. Now, I need to ask you what you did with the signatures, and how? Jeff Barrows MCP, MCAD, MCSD ? Outbak Technologies, LLC Racine, WI jeff.developer at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:04 AM To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET Hi Jeff: We just use SuperSignature as they suggested - to save a file to a folder on the server. But I do retrieve the signature data first as a System.Drawing.Bitmap, then convert it to a jpg and save it. I assume that you could write the Bitmap to a blob field in SQL. Sorry, the code is C#: // signature is returned as bitmap if no path specified System.Drawing.Bitmap BM = ctlSignature.SaveSignature(""); if (!ctlSignature.SignHasError) { // Save the image in JPEG format. BM.Save(Server.MapPath("~/sigs/sign.jpg"), System.Drawing.Imaging.ImageFormat.Jpeg); } else { Response.Write("Error:" + ctlSignature.SignInternalError); } Hope this helps! Doug On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Jeff B wrote: > OK, I guess I need to add some more information. > > We purchased a signature control from WebSignatureCapture. When I > discovered that their control would not work for our site, they > referred me to their sister-site, SuperSignature. > > I have worked with their support team as I could not get the signature > box to show up on the published site, (it was a VS 2010 issue). > > It now appears that things are working ok, but I want to verify that > the image is actually being stored in SQL, and I am currently having > issues retrieving the image from SQL. Does anyone have some code they > are willing to share that retrieves images? And the code you use to > store it? (if I am not asking for too much?) > > > Jeff Barrows > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > Racine, WI > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:01 PM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > I did this for a client's app (in C#). We went with SuperSignature: > > http://www.supersignature.com/ > > If I remember, SuperSignature had a lot fewer options than > RealSignature, but did what we wanted (simple signature capture on a > web app focused on iPhone use) and was considerably cheaper. > > Their copy protection is a little quirky, but their tech support was > helpful. > > Doug > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:37 PM, David McAfee > wrote: > > > My coworker is doing that very same thing, but I believe in C#. > > > > This is where he went for the custom control: realsignature.com > > > > He said it includes the license file. > > > > It looks like they have VB.Net samples on their site. > > > > HTH, > > David > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Jeff B > wrote: > > > > > Does anyone here have experience writing web pages in ASP.NET that > > require > > > online signatures? I have a website ALMOST finished that needs > > > users to sign on an iPad and I need to capture the signature, save > > > it into an SQL Server 2005 database, and extract the signature > > > back out > to a PDF. > > > > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > > Racine, WI > > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbdoug at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 10:46:50 2011 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 08:46:50 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET In-Reply-To: <004201ccb045$6618e000$324aa000$@gmail.com> References: <003001cca076$20a08e80$61e1ab80$@gmail.com> <004201ccb045$6618e000$324aa000$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Jeff: The customer signatures were collected by the iPhone web app as part of a work order tracking system. The work order number was the start of the signature file name. The main processing was done back at the office with an Access database. When a work order was being processed, the office user could check the signature (pulled into an imagebox on the edit screen), and when the invoice was printed, the signature was printed with it. I kept the signature files separate from the Access data file partly to keep the bloat down to a minimum. Doug On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Jeff B wrote: > Hey Doug, > > Thanks for the help and sample code. I decided to follow your example and > store the sig as a jpg image in a folder. Now, I need to ask you what you > did with the signatures, and how? > > Jeff Barrows > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > Racine, WI > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:04 AM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > Hi Jeff: > > We just use SuperSignature as they suggested - to save a file to a folder > on > the server. But I do retrieve the signature data first as a > System.Drawing.Bitmap, then convert it to a jpg and save it. I assume that > you could write the Bitmap to a blob field in SQL. Sorry, the code is C#: > > // signature is returned as bitmap if no path specified > System.Drawing.Bitmap BM = ctlSignature.SaveSignature(""); > if (!ctlSignature.SignHasError) > { > // Save the image in JPEG format. > BM.Save(Server.MapPath("~/sigs/sign.jpg"), > System.Drawing.Imaging.ImageFormat.Jpeg); > } > else > { > Response.Write("Error:" + ctlSignature.SignInternalError); > } > > Hope this helps! > Doug > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Jeff B wrote: > > > OK, I guess I need to add some more information. > > > > We purchased a signature control from WebSignatureCapture. When I > > discovered that their control would not work for our site, they > > referred me to their sister-site, SuperSignature. > > > > I have worked with their support team as I could not get the signature > > box to show up on the published site, (it was a VS 2010 issue). > > > > It now appears that things are working ok, but I want to verify that > > the image is actually being stored in SQL, and I am currently having > > issues retrieving the image from SQL. Does anyone have some code they > > are willing to share that retrieves images? And the code you use to > > store it? (if I am not asking for too much?) > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > Racine, WI > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:01 PM > > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > > > I did this for a client's app (in C#). We went with SuperSignature: > > > > http://www.supersignature.com/ > > > > If I remember, SuperSignature had a lot fewer options than > > RealSignature, but did what we wanted (simple signature capture on a > > web app focused on iPhone use) and was considerably cheaper. > > > > Their copy protection is a little quirky, but their tech support was > > helpful. > > > > Doug > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:37 PM, David McAfee > > wrote: > > > > > My coworker is doing that very same thing, but I believe in C#. > > > > > > This is where he went for the custom control: realsignature.com > > > > > > He said it includes the license file. > > > > > > It looks like they have VB.Net samples on their site. > > > > > > HTH, > > > David > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Jeff B > > wrote: > > > > > > > Does anyone here have experience writing web pages in ASP.NET that > > > require > > > > online signatures? I have a website ALMOST finished that needs > > > > users to sign on an iPad and I need to capture the signature, save > > > > it into an SQL Server 2005 database, and extract the signature > > > > back out > > to a PDF. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > > > Racine, WI > > > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From jeff.developer at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 11:05:18 2011 From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff B) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:05:18 -0600 Subject: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET In-Reply-To: References: <003001cca076$20a08e80$61e1ab80$@gmail.com> <004201ccb045$6618e000$324aa000$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004601ccb04b$67e79dd0$37b6d970$@gmail.com> Right, but what I am trying to figure out is how to pull the image up and add it to the report. Jeff Barrows MCP, MCAD, MCSD ? Outbak Technologies, LLC Racine, WI jeff.developer at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 10:47 AM To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET Hi Jeff: The customer signatures were collected by the iPhone web app as part of a work order tracking system. The work order number was the start of the signature file name. The main processing was done back at the office with an Access database. When a work order was being processed, the office user could check the signature (pulled into an imagebox on the edit screen), and when the invoice was printed, the signature was printed with it. I kept the signature files separate from the Access data file partly to keep the bloat down to a minimum. Doug On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Jeff B wrote: > Hey Doug, > > Thanks for the help and sample code. I decided to follow your example > and store the sig as a jpg image in a folder. Now, I need to ask you > what you did with the signatures, and how? > > Jeff Barrows > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > Racine, WI > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:04 AM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > Hi Jeff: > > We just use SuperSignature as they suggested - to save a file to a > folder on the server. But I do retrieve the signature data first as a > System.Drawing.Bitmap, then convert it to a jpg and save it. I assume > that you could write the Bitmap to a blob field in SQL. Sorry, the code is C#: > > // signature is returned as bitmap if no path specified > System.Drawing.Bitmap BM = ctlSignature.SaveSignature(""); > if (!ctlSignature.SignHasError) > { > // Save the image in JPEG format. > BM.Save(Server.MapPath("~/sigs/sign.jpg"), > System.Drawing.Imaging.ImageFormat.Jpeg); > } > else > { > Response.Write("Error:" + ctlSignature.SignInternalError); > } > > Hope this helps! > Doug > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Jeff B wrote: > > > OK, I guess I need to add some more information. > > > > We purchased a signature control from WebSignatureCapture. When I > > discovered that their control would not work for our site, they > > referred me to their sister-site, SuperSignature. > > > > I have worked with their support team as I could not get the > > signature box to show up on the published site, (it was a VS 2010 issue). > > > > It now appears that things are working ok, but I want to verify that > > the image is actually being stored in SQL, and I am currently having > > issues retrieving the image from SQL. Does anyone have some code > > they are willing to share that retrieves images? And the code you > > use to store it? (if I am not asking for too much?) > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > Racine, WI > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug > > Steele > > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:01 PM > > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > > > I did this for a client's app (in C#). We went with SuperSignature: > > > > http://www.supersignature.com/ > > > > If I remember, SuperSignature had a lot fewer options than > > RealSignature, but did what we wanted (simple signature capture on a > > web app focused on iPhone use) and was considerably cheaper. > > > > Their copy protection is a little quirky, but their tech support was > > helpful. > > > > Doug > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:37 PM, David McAfee > > > > wrote: > > > > > My coworker is doing that very same thing, but I believe in C#. > > > > > > This is where he went for the custom control: realsignature.com > > > > > > He said it includes the license file. > > > > > > It looks like they have VB.Net samples on their site. > > > > > > HTH, > > > David > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Jeff B > > wrote: > > > > > > > Does anyone here have experience writing web pages in ASP.NET > > > > that > > > require > > > > online signatures? I have a website ALMOST finished that needs > > > > users to sign on an iPad and I need to capture the signature, > > > > save it into an SQL Server 2005 database, and extract the > > > > signature back out > > to a PDF. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > > > Racine, WI > > > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbdoug at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 11:08:24 2011 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 09:08:24 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET In-Reply-To: <004601ccb04b$67e79dd0$37b6d970$@gmail.com> References: <003001cca076$20a08e80$61e1ab80$@gmail.com> <004201ccb045$6618e000$324aa000$@gmail.com> <004601ccb04b$67e79dd0$37b6d970$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sorry, neither of the ASP.Net apps I've written involved any reporting. In Access at least, all you have to do is have an image box on the report then set the source of the image box to the path of the signature file when the report section loads. Doug On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Jeff B wrote: > Right, but what I am trying to figure out is how to pull the image up and > add it to the report. > > Jeff Barrows > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > Racine, WI > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 10:47 AM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > Hi Jeff: > > The customer signatures were collected by the iPhone web app as part of a > work order tracking system. The work order number was the start of the > signature file name. The main processing was done back at the office with > an > Access database. When a work order was being processed, the office user > could check the signature (pulled into an imagebox on the edit screen), and > when the invoice was printed, the signature was printed with it. > > I kept the signature files separate from the Access data file partly to > keep > the bloat down to a minimum. > > Doug > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Jeff B wrote: > > > Hey Doug, > > > > Thanks for the help and sample code. I decided to follow your example > > and store the sig as a jpg image in a folder. Now, I need to ask you > > what you did with the signatures, and how? > > > > Jeff Barrows > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > Racine, WI > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:04 AM > > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > > > Hi Jeff: > > > > We just use SuperSignature as they suggested - to save a file to a > > folder on the server. But I do retrieve the signature data first as a > > System.Drawing.Bitmap, then convert it to a jpg and save it. I assume > > that you could write the Bitmap to a blob field in SQL. Sorry, the code > is C#: > > > > // signature is returned as bitmap if no path specified > > System.Drawing.Bitmap BM = ctlSignature.SaveSignature(""); > > if (!ctlSignature.SignHasError) > > { > > // Save the image in JPEG format. > > BM.Save(Server.MapPath("~/sigs/sign.jpg"), > > System.Drawing.Imaging.ImageFormat.Jpeg); > > } > > else > > { > > Response.Write("Error:" + ctlSignature.SignInternalError); > > } > > > > Hope this helps! > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Jeff B > wrote: > > > > > OK, I guess I need to add some more information. > > > > > > We purchased a signature control from WebSignatureCapture. When I > > > discovered that their control would not work for our site, they > > > referred me to their sister-site, SuperSignature. > > > > > > I have worked with their support team as I could not get the > > > signature box to show up on the published site, (it was a VS 2010 > issue). > > > > > > It now appears that things are working ok, but I want to verify that > > > the image is actually being stored in SQL, and I am currently having > > > issues retrieving the image from SQL. Does anyone have some code > > > they are willing to share that retrieves images? And the code you > > > use to store it? (if I am not asking for too much?) > > > > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > > Racine, WI > > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug > > > Steele > > > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:01 PM > > > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > > > > > I did this for a client's app (in C#). We went with SuperSignature: > > > > > > http://www.supersignature.com/ > > > > > > If I remember, SuperSignature had a lot fewer options than > > > RealSignature, but did what we wanted (simple signature capture on a > > > web app focused on iPhone use) and was considerably cheaper. > > > > > > Their copy protection is a little quirky, but their tech support was > > > helpful. > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:37 PM, David McAfee > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > My coworker is doing that very same thing, but I believe in C#. > > > > > > > > This is where he went for the custom control: realsignature.com > > > > > > > > He said it includes the license file. > > > > > > > > It looks like they have VB.Net samples on their site. > > > > > > > > HTH, > > > > David > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Jeff B > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Does anyone here have experience writing web pages in ASP.NET > > > > > that > > > > require > > > > > online signatures? I have a website ALMOST finished that needs > > > > > users to sign on an iPad and I need to capture the signature, > > > > > save it into an SQL Server 2005 database, and extract the > > > > > signature back out > > > to a PDF. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > > > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > > > > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > > > > Racine, WI > > > > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From jeff.developer at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 11:16:39 2011 From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff B) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:16:39 -0600 Subject: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET In-Reply-To: References: <003001cca076$20a08e80$61e1ab80$@gmail.com> <004201ccb045$6618e000$324aa000$@gmail.com> <004601ccb04b$67e79dd0$37b6d970$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004701ccb04c$fd9930e0$f8cb92a0$@gmail.com> Ok, thanks for your help! Jeff Barrows MCP, MCAD, MCSD ? Outbak Technologies, LLC Racine, WI jeff.developer at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 11:08 AM To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET Sorry, neither of the ASP.Net apps I've written involved any reporting. In Access at least, all you have to do is have an image box on the report then set the source of the image box to the path of the signature file when the report section loads. Doug On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Jeff B wrote: > Right, but what I am trying to figure out is how to pull the image up > and add it to the report. > > Jeff Barrows > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > Racine, WI > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 10:47 AM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > Hi Jeff: > > The customer signatures were collected by the iPhone web app as part > of a work order tracking system. The work order number was the start > of the signature file name. The main processing was done back at the > office with an Access database. When a work order was being > processed, the office user could check the signature (pulled into an > imagebox on the edit screen), and when the invoice was printed, the > signature was printed with it. > > I kept the signature files separate from the Access data file partly > to keep the bloat down to a minimum. > > Doug > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Jeff B wrote: > > > Hey Doug, > > > > Thanks for the help and sample code. I decided to follow your > > example and store the sig as a jpg image in a folder. Now, I need > > to ask you what you did with the signatures, and how? > > > > Jeff Barrows > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > Racine, WI > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug > > Steele > > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:04 AM > > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > > > Hi Jeff: > > > > We just use SuperSignature as they suggested - to save a file to a > > folder on the server. But I do retrieve the signature data first as > > a System.Drawing.Bitmap, then convert it to a jpg and save it. I > > assume that you could write the Bitmap to a blob field in SQL. > > Sorry, the code > is C#: > > > > // signature is returned as bitmap if no path specified > > System.Drawing.Bitmap BM = ctlSignature.SaveSignature(""); > > if (!ctlSignature.SignHasError) > > { > > // Save the image in JPEG format. > > BM.Save(Server.MapPath("~/sigs/sign.jpg"), > > System.Drawing.Imaging.ImageFormat.Jpeg); > > } > > else > > { > > Response.Write("Error:" + ctlSignature.SignInternalError); > > } > > > > Hope this helps! > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Jeff B > wrote: > > > > > OK, I guess I need to add some more information. > > > > > > We purchased a signature control from WebSignatureCapture. When I > > > discovered that their control would not work for our site, they > > > referred me to their sister-site, SuperSignature. > > > > > > I have worked with their support team as I could not get the > > > signature box to show up on the published site, (it was a VS 2010 > issue). > > > > > > It now appears that things are working ok, but I want to verify > > > that the image is actually being stored in SQL, and I am currently > > > having issues retrieving the image from SQL. Does anyone have > > > some code they are willing to share that retrieves images? And > > > the code you use to store it? (if I am not asking for too much?) > > > > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > > Racine, WI > > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug > > > Steele > > > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:01 PM > > > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > > > > > I did this for a client's app (in C#). We went with SuperSignature: > > > > > > http://www.supersignature.com/ > > > > > > If I remember, SuperSignature had a lot fewer options than > > > RealSignature, but did what we wanted (simple signature capture on > > > a web app focused on iPhone use) and was considerably cheaper. > > > > > > Their copy protection is a little quirky, but their tech support > > > was helpful. > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:37 PM, David McAfee > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > My coworker is doing that very same thing, but I believe in C#. > > > > > > > > This is where he went for the custom control: realsignature.com > > > > > > > > He said it includes the license file. > > > > > > > > It looks like they have VB.Net samples on their site. > > > > > > > > HTH, > > > > David > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Jeff B > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Does anyone here have experience writing web pages in ASP.NET > > > > > that > > > > require > > > > > online signatures? I have a website ALMOST finished that > > > > > needs users to sign on an iPad and I need to capture the > > > > > signature, save it into an SQL Server 2005 database, and > > > > > extract the signature back out > > > to a PDF. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > > > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > > > > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > > > > Racine, WI > > > > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Dec 1 18:11:29 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 04:11:29 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= Message-ID: Hi All -- FYI:? I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how smooth his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but with Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even using one hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - the thumb one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows Phone 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a project with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? Thank you. -- Shamil From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 2 15:17:52 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 22:17:52 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil et al Very well! Quite often app development starts with just some sketches. I've learned that this is called UX sketching (for User eXperience). Tools exist for this. Here is one by Sara Summers for the panorama view of Metro: http://www.uxarray.com/2010/11/18/prototyping-sketch-sheets-wp7/ and the sheet to print and cut and draw upon: http://www.uxarray.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/PaperPrototype_Sketchbook_WP7_Metro.pdf Another one by Rashid Ali is here: Windows Phone 7 UX Sketch Templates http://blog.merrycode.com/windows-phone-7-ux-sketch-templates/ The official guide is here: User Experience Design Guidelines for Windows Phone http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202915(v=VS.92).aspx Also, a single, full download of everything needed to get started with WP7+ development is here: Windows Phone SDK 7.1 http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27570 The Windows Phone SDK includes a major collection of software: * Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone * Windows Phone Emulator * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Assemblies * Silverlight 4 SDK and DRT * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Extensions for XNA Game Studio 4.0 * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone 7 * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone OS 7.1 * WCF Data Services Client for Window Phone * Microsoft Advertising SDK for Windows Phone Please note the upscaled system requirements. No WinXP here, and DirectX 9 is an absolute minimum (DirectX 10 is needed for games). The 3 GB is a minimum too, as the Windows Phone Emulator (which on-screen mimics a physical phone) alone eats a whopping 800 MB. Note that the Ultimate ($)version of Expression Blend does feature SketchFlow to create sketches on screen: http://blogs.microsoft.nl/blogs/ux/archive/2011/06/16/sketchflow-for-windows-phone-the-real-one.aspx As for the Northwind.Net porting to WP7, I'll have to think about it. Some challenge - both for the UI design as well as the database connection. Not the first project to work with for me. Finally, don't forget the free 1000-page Microsoft Press ebook: Programming Windows Phone 7: http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24519 /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> Hi All -- FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how smooth his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but with Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even using one hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - the thumb one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows Phone 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a project with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? Thank you. -- Shamil From dbdoug at gmail.com Fri Dec 2 15:27:39 2011 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 13:27:39 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wow! Thanks, Gustav Doug On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Shamil et al > > Very well! > > Quite often app development starts with just some sketches. I've learned > that this is called UX sketching (for User eXperience). > > Tools exist for this. Here is one by Sara Summers for the panorama view of > Metro: > > http://www.uxarray.com/2010/11/18/prototyping-sketch-sheets-wp7/ > > and the sheet to print and cut and draw upon: > > http://www.uxarray.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/PaperPrototype_Sketchbook_WP7_Metro.pdf > > Another one by Rashid Ali is here: > Windows Phone 7 UX Sketch Templates > http://blog.merrycode.com/windows-phone-7-ux-sketch-templates/ > > The official guide is here: > User Experience Design Guidelines for Windows Phone > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202915(v=VS.92).aspx > > > Also, a single, full download of everything needed to get started with > WP7+ development is here: > Windows Phone SDK 7.1 > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27570 > > The Windows Phone SDK includes a major collection of software: > > * Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone > * Windows Phone Emulator > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Assemblies > * Silverlight 4 SDK and DRT > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Extensions for XNA Game Studio 4.0 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone 7 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone OS 7.1 > * WCF Data Services Client for Window Phone > * Microsoft Advertising SDK for Windows Phone > > Please note the upscaled system requirements. No WinXP here, and DirectX 9 > is an absolute minimum (DirectX 10 is needed for games). The 3 GB is a > minimum too, as the Windows Phone Emulator (which on-screen mimics a > physical phone) alone eats a whopping 800 MB. > > Note that the Ultimate ($)version of Expression Blend does feature > SketchFlow to create sketches on screen: > > > http://blogs.microsoft.nl/blogs/ux/archive/2011/06/16/sketchflow-for-windows-phone-the-real-one.aspx > > > As for the Northwind.Net porting to WP7, I'll have to think about it. Some > challenge - both for the UI design as well as the database connection. Not > the first project to work with for me. > > > Finally, don't forget the free 1000-page Microsoft Press ebook: > Programming Windows Phone 7: > > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24519 > > /gustav > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> > Hi All -- > > FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. > > First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) > > I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something > useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. > > One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how > well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how > smooth his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) > > And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this > device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself > comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but > with Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even > using one hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - > the thumb one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! > > I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse > Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! > > Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net > project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows > Phone 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a > project with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Dec 2 17:42:26 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 03:42:26 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your notes and links - I have got a few other ones (see P.S.), which allowed me to start WP7 test development I have already got all the development stuff installed and I can create WP7 solutions, build and run them in emulation mode on my PC... So we are just two here - happy owners on Windows Phone 7/7.5? Anybody else? BTW, I have given my WP7.5 to play to my son (he is 10+ years old) and to compare to his Samsung Fit with Android 2.x - and my son wasn't impressed by my WP at all :( (:) Yes, MS has to do quite a lot on this "frontline" to get kids and teens "back to Windows (Phones)". "Angry Birds", "Doodle Jump" and many other popular games are free for Android - very important option for kids. Even with 1-3USD price for "Angry Birds" and "Doodle Jump" MS risks to miss WP market for children... Have you got registered on Windows Phone Development Registration page http://create.msdn.com/en-US/ ? I'm considering registering there if it will give some additional information on WP7, if not, then I will stay unregistered till I'll get something ready to publish on that site. Registration is 99USD/year. I'm also interested will WP7.5 Internet Tethering work here in Russia with my mobile provider or not (http://www.winrumors.com/windows-phone-7-5-internet-tethering-feature-only-available-on-new-devices/) - they say this feature is opened/blocked by mobile operators. I have mobile USB modem which I use with my laptop when on the road or outside of my broadband Internet connection - if WP7 Internet Tethering will be available here then I will use it instead of USB modem... As for Northwind.WP7 - I do not plan to make it having "fancy graphics" interface - I plan to use the basic Silverlight controls for this interface - the main challenges I see currently are: - 1) to make it working and looking well in both portrait and landscape layouts; - 2) to simulate combo-box selection by using Silverlight list control - as e.g. it's done in WP7 "Alarm clock" application when selecting date or time - have you seen any samples presenting this UI development technique? - 3) to make reports by using grid controls hosting other controls; And I do not plan to have any backend communication for the first version of Northwind.WP7 - I'm going to just put all the sample data into resources, which will be compiled and deployed together with application... We will see - as I noted previously I'd currently setting deadline for this project as 6 months as I have quite some other work to do and as WP7 "learning curve" promise to be rather steep.. P.S. Some WP7 resources Windows Phone Development - fundamential concepts http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff626521(v=vs.92).aspx Windows Phone Development http://create.msdn.com/en-us/home/getting_started Silverlight QuickStart http://create.msdn.com/en-US/education/quickstarts/Navigation 03 ??????? 2011, 01:14 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil et al > > Very well! > > Quite often app development starts with just some sketches. I've learned that this is called UX sketching (for User eXperience). > > Tools exist for this. Here is one by Sara Summers for the panorama view of Metro: > > http://www.uxarray.com/2010/11/18/prototyping-sketch-sheets-wp7/ > > and the sheet to print and cut and draw upon: > http://www.uxarray.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/PaperPrototype_Sketchbook_WP7_Metro.pdf > > Another one by Rashid Ali is here: > Windows Phone 7 UX Sketch Templates > http://blog.merrycode.com/windows-phone-7-ux-sketch-templates/ > > The official guide is here: > User Experience Design Guidelines for Windows Phone > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202915(v=VS.92).aspx > > Also, a single, full download of everything needed to get started with WP7+ development is here: > Windows Phone SDK 7.1 > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27570 > > The Windows Phone SDK includes a major collection of software: > > * Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone > * Windows Phone Emulator > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Assemblies > * Silverlight 4 SDK and DRT > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Extensions for XNA Game Studio 4.0 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone 7 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone OS 7.1 > * WCF Data Services Client for Window Phone > * Microsoft Advertising SDK for Windows Phone > > Please note the upscaled system requirements. No WinXP here, and DirectX 9 is an absolute minimum (DirectX 10 is needed for games). The 3 GB is a minimum too, as the Windows Phone Emulator (which on-screen mimics a physical phone) alone eats a whopping 800 MB. > > Note that the Ultimate ($)version of Expression Blend does feature SketchFlow to create sketches on screen: > > http://blogs.microsoft.nl/blogs/ux/archive/2011/06/16/sketchflow-for-windows-phone-the-real-one.aspx > > As for the Northwind.Net porting to WP7, I'll have to think about it. Some challenge - both for the UI design as well as the database connection. Not the first project to work with for me. > > Finally, don't forget the free 1000-page Microsoft Press ebook: Programming Windows Phone 7: > > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24519 > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> > Hi All -- > > FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. > > First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) > > I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. > > One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how smooth his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) > > And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but with Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even using one hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - the thumb one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! > > I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! > > Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows Phone 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a project with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Dec 3 20:06:28 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 21:06:28 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Subversion repositories and server Message-ID: <4EDAD5A4.3020505@colbyconsulting.com> I use subversion here at my office. I have to say I find it confusing and "just use it" without really understanding it. I am trying to set it up at my clients as I am about to start doing some VS 2010 / C# stuff there to replace some less reliable Access stuff. I want the repositories to reside on the server with all of its raid and backup safety net. Here at my office I use the file:// method of accessing the repository which the way I understand it is nothing more than allowing VSN on the workstation to check in and out through a shared directory. When I started research on Google I am getting "shared directories is a bad idea, use a server", but I do not know how to do that. I have set up the server simply by downloading the VisualSVN Server msi and installing it. I created a group and a user and ser my user into the group. I then created two repositories for two different projects and added the group to the project with R/W access and disabled the Everyone user. My question is how do I get my workstation to use the server now? I am using VS 2010, and it has the VisualSVN package installed. I just need to "hook up" the VisualSVN in my workstation to get data from the repository server. Onw would think that there would be a place to go to tell VisualSVN in the workstation "your server is named XYZ" etc but I am not finding that. The "Get solution from Subversion" has a Repository URL line but it does not automatically look for and find my repository and I have no clue what the URL is. IMHO this is the shakiest part of using this stuff. Any help is much appreciated. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Dec 3 20:47:12 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 21:47:12 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Subversion repositories and server In-Reply-To: <4EDAD5A4.3020505@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EDAD5A4.3020505@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4EDADF30.2030909@colbyconsulting.com> Well I got it. The server side software gave me a url. I ended up getting an error about xml not parsing correctly and got a clue (though not an answer) from Google that basically told me I needed to add the trunk portion . I had to add the trunk to the server URL. Then I had to change the default username jcolby (apparently returned from windows?) to the user I set up in the VSNServer and it "took". Sorry for the ring. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 12/3/2011 9:06 PM, jwcolby wrote: > I use subversion here at my office. I have to say I find it confusing and "just use it" without > really understanding it. > > I am trying to set it up at my clients as I am about to start doing some VS 2010 / C# stuff there to > replace some less reliable Access stuff. I want the repositories to reside on the server with all of > its raid and backup safety net. > > Here at my office I use the file:// method of accessing the repository which the way I understand it > is nothing more than allowing VSN on the workstation to check in and out through a shared directory. > > When I started research on Google I am getting "shared directories is a bad idea, use a server", but > I do not know how to do that. > > I have set up the server simply by downloading the VisualSVN Server msi and installing it. I created > a group and a user and ser my user into the group. I then created two repositories for two different > projects and added the group to the project with R/W access and disabled the Everyone user. > > My question is how do I get my workstation to use the server now? I am using VS 2010, and it has the > VisualSVN package installed. I just need to "hook up" the VisualSVN in my workstation to get data > from the repository server. Onw would think that there would be a place to go to tell VisualSVN in > the workstation "your server is named XYZ" etc but I am not finding that. The "Get solution from > Subversion" has a Repository URL line but it does not automatically look for and find my repository > and I have no clue what the URL is. > > IMHO this is the shakiest part of using this stuff. Any help is much appreciated. > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Dec 3 21:39:42 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 22:39:42 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] VSN right click isn't working Message-ID: <4EDAEB7E.1090208@colbyconsulting.com> I use VSN with right click context stuff to check in and out some DLLs such as NLog which are referenced by my projects but are not stuff that I can directly open in VS and use that to do the checkin. The problem is that while the right click menu works on my systems at the office, at my client they cause Windows Explorer to crash, as in close and explorer reopens a few seconds later. Right clicking on any file or directory causes the explorer crash. I eventually found this thing called ShellExView that allows one to see the right click processes that are hooking into Explorer's right click widget, and from there I caused all of the VSNTortoise stuff to stop and the crashes stopped. So I can't use VSN's stuff on my dev machine at the client to check directories in and out of tortoise / VSN and so I have no way to check in initially. I decided to try and do this on the server directly and the right click menu works just fine there, or at least doesn't page fault explorer. However when I try to check it in, it complains about a different user or something. Sigh. AFAIC I do not have to have this in source control, i.e. the reference that I am trying to check in are just dlls which are referenced at a specific path on my hard disk and for that purpose having them in source control doesn't matter. However putting it in source control allows me to "check them out" from any other machine which needs them, and further if I get a new version of a file (nlogs.dll for example) I can check it in and then check it out on other machines to get the latest. The whole point of source control really. So long term I really want to get this working. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Dec 3 22:53:28 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 23:53:28 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Using SQL Server SMO with .Net Message-ID: <4EDAFCC8.1030203@colbyconsulting.com> I am trying to port some pre-written code from my home office to my client where I am setting up to use VS 2010. We use SMO heavily here at my office, but I discovered that SMO is not part of the framework. Ifyou use SMO this is the page that discuses getting a SQL Server 2008 R2 Feature pack which contains standalone stuff including SMO. This apparently has to be installed on each workstation running VisualStudio so that you can reference the SMO in your project references. http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=16978 It appears that they break out a whole bunch of things individually so that you download just a piece you are interested in. SMO is about 3/4 of the way down a very long page of these things. It is precisely things like this that I assume need to go in a source controlled References (my directory name) project so that they can just be downloaded, though in this case it is an MSI and thus has to be installed. I have no clue how bug fixes get applied in cases like this. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sun Dec 4 03:50:28 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 01:50:28 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] Subversion repositories and server In-Reply-To: <4EDADF30.2030909@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EDAD5A4.3020505@colbyconsulting.com> <4EDADF30.2030909@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Hi john, Having a proper svn server is definitely the best in terms of transactional integrity. Seems like you have things worked out, but the apache svn module is pretty straightforward to use and I could easily as you up with a minimal Debian-based svn apache virtual(box) machine within 15 min if that helps. By the way, have you ever toyed wit Git? You don't even have to stop using svn. git can happily work as a wrapper around a svn repo. Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 3 Dec 2011, at 18:47, jwcolby wrote: > Well I got it. > > The server side software gave me a url. I ended up getting an error about xml not parsing correctly and got a clue (though not an answer) from Google that basically told me I needed to add the trunk portion . I had to add the trunk to the server URL. Then I had to change the default username jcolby (apparently returned from windows?) to the user I set up in the VSNServer and it "took". > > Sorry for the ring. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 12/3/2011 9:06 PM, jwcolby wrote: >> I use subversion here at my office. I have to say I find it confusing and "just use it" without >> really understanding it. >> >> I am trying to set it up at my clients as I am about to start doing some VS 2010 / C# stuff there to >> replace some less reliable Access stuff. I want the repositories to reside on the server with all of >> its raid and backup safety net. >> >> Here at my office I use the file:// method of accessing the repository which the way I understand it >> is nothing more than allowing VSN on the workstation to check in and out through a shared directory. >> >> When I started research on Google I am getting "shared directories is a bad idea, use a server", but >> I do not know how to do that. >> >> I have set up the server simply by downloading the VisualSVN Server msi and installing it. I created >> a group and a user and ser my user into the group. I then created two repositories for two different >> projects and added the group to the project with R/W access and disabled the Everyone user. >> >> My question is how do I get my workstation to use the server now? I am using VS 2010, and it has the >> VisualSVN package installed. I just need to "hook up" the VisualSVN in my workstation to get data >> from the repository server. Onw would think that there would be a place to go to tell VisualSVN in >> the workstation "your server is named XYZ" etc but I am not finding that. The "Get solution from >> Subversion" has a Repository URL line but it does not automatically look for and find my repository >> and I have no clue what the URL is. >> >> IMHO this is the shakiest part of using this stuff. Any help is much appreciated. >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sun Dec 4 03:53:21 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 01:53:21 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] VSN right click isn't working In-Reply-To: <4EDAEB7E.1090208@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EDAEB7E.1090208@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: No clue about vsvn unfortunately, but one thing I did learn was how important it was to know have to use svn on the command line and that is all I do anymore (instead of visual GUI apps). Pays in the long run, IMO. Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 3 Dec 2011, at 19:39, jwcolby wrote: > I use VSN with right click context stuff to check in and out some DLLs such as NLog which are referenced by my projects but are not stuff that I can directly open in VS and use that to do the checkin. The problem is that while the right click menu works on my systems at the office, at my client they cause Windows Explorer to crash, as in close and explorer reopens a few seconds later. Right clicking on any file or directory causes the explorer crash. > > I eventually found this thing called ShellExView that allows one to see the right click processes that are hooking into Explorer's right click widget, and from there I caused all of the VSNTortoise stuff to stop and the crashes stopped. > > So I can't use VSN's stuff on my dev machine at the client to check directories in and out of tortoise / VSN and so I have no way to check in initially. > > I decided to try and do this on the server directly and the right click menu works just fine there, or at least doesn't page fault explorer. However when I try to check it in, it complains about a different user or something. > > Sigh. AFAIC I do not have to have this in source control, i.e. the reference that I am trying to check in are just dlls which are referenced at a specific path on my hard disk and for that purpose having them in source control doesn't matter. However putting it in source control allows me to "check them out" from any other machine which needs them, and further if I get a new version of a file (nlogs.dll for example) I can check it in and then check it out on other machines to get the latest. The whole point of source control really. So long term I really want to get this working. > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Dec 4 13:33:44 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 14:33:44 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Automation API, is it needed? Message-ID: <4EDBCB18.4040000@colbyconsulting.com> I got a "speed up VS popup which took me to this page. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/981741 It doesn't sound like it is for the dev environment but rather when running an app with a pen or touch. Am I right there? -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 9 05:59:57 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 12:59:57 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi all I went to the two-day course in programming Windows Phone 7. A developer track and a UX track were offered; I picked the UX track as I found it best to have a solid foundation here - the coding stuff is easier to pick up later. That was a good pick. The session was lead by Arturo Toledo, Sr. User Experience Designer at Microsoft for the Windows Phone Design Studio. He also runs a comprehensive site which I believe contains or links to anything you may wish to know about design for WP7: http://ux.artu.tv/ His partner was Jared Potter (Design Integration Lead) - also called the Pixel Manager as his team approves any graphics going to the phone interface. Should you ever come across a session with either of these, do sign in. They know just about anything about what's happening at the screen surface of a Windows Phone, and both are men of great humour who it's a pleasure to spend some time with. /gustav >>> Gustav at cactus.dk 02-12-2011 22:17 >>> Hi Shamil et al Very well! Quite often app development starts with just some sketches. I've learned that this is called UX sketching (for User eXperience). Tools exist for this. Here is one by Sara Summers for the panorama view of Metro: http://www.uxarray.com/2010/11/18/prototyping-sketch-sheets-wp7/ and the sheet to print and cut and draw upon: http://www.uxarray.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/PaperPrototype_Sketchbook_WP7_Metro.pdf Another one by Rashid Ali is here: Windows Phone 7 UX Sketch Templates http://blog.merrycode.com/windows-phone-7-ux-sketch-templates/ The official guide is here: User Experience Design Guidelines for Windows Phone http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202915(v=VS.92).aspx Also, a single, full download of everything needed to get started with WP7+ development is here: Windows Phone SDK 7.1 http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27570 The Windows Phone SDK includes a major collection of software: * Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone * Windows Phone Emulator * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Assemblies * Silverlight 4 SDK and DRT * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Extensions for XNA Game Studio 4.0 * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone 7 * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone OS 7.1 * WCF Data Services Client for Window Phone * Microsoft Advertising SDK for Windows Phone Please note the upscaled system requirements. No WinXP here, and DirectX 9 is an absolute minimum (DirectX 10 is needed for games). The 3 GB is a minimum too, as the Windows Phone Emulator (which on-screen mimics a physical phone) alone eats a whopping 800 MB. Note that the Ultimate ($)version of Expression Blend does feature SketchFlow to create sketches on screen: http://blogs.microsoft.nl/blogs/ux/archive/2011/06/16/sketchflow-for-windows-phone-the-real-one.aspx As for the Northwind.Net porting to WP7, I'll have to think about it. Some challenge - both for the UI design as well as the database connection. Not the first project to work with for me. Finally, don't forget the free 1000-page Microsoft Press ebook: Programming Windows Phone 7: http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24519 /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> Hi All -- FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how smooth his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but with Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even using one hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - the thumb one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows Phone 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a project with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? Thank you. -- Shamil _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Dec 9 06:18:29 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 16:18:29 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your information. So you're ready to start your custom Windows Phone 7.5 Development? Did they tell how "scrolling selection" UI feature is implemented, e.g. when you set date (selecting day, month, year) while setting a calendar appointment? Thank you. -- Shamil 09 ??????? 2011, 15:56 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi all > > I went to the two-day course in programming Windows Phone 7. A developer track and a UX track were offered; I picked the UX track as I found it best to have a solid foundation here - the coding stuff is easier to pick up later. > > That was a good pick. The session was lead by Arturo Toledo, Sr. User Experience Designer at Microsoft for the Windows Phone Design Studio. > He also runs a comprehensive site which I believe contains or links to anything you may wish to know about design for WP7: > > http://ux.artu.tv/ > > His partner was Jared Potter (Design Integration Lead) - also called the Pixel Manager as his team approves any graphics going to the phone interface. > > Should you ever come across a session with either of these, do sign in. They know just about anything about what's happening at the screen surface of a Windows Phone, and both are men of great humour who it's a pleasure to spend some time with. > > /gustav > > >>> Gustav at cactus.dk 02-12-2011 22:17 >>> > Hi Shamil et al > > Very well! > > Quite often app development starts with just some sketches. I've learned that this is called UX sketching (for User eXperience). > > Tools exist for this. Here is one by Sara Summers for the panorama view of Metro: > > http://www.uxarray.com/2010/11/18/prototyping-sketch-sheets-wp7/ > > and the sheet to print and cut and draw upon: > http://www.uxarray.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/PaperPrototype_Sketchbook_WP7_Metro.pdf > > Another one by Rashid Ali is here: > Windows Phone 7 UX Sketch Templates > http://blog.merrycode.com/windows-phone-7-ux-sketch-templates/ > > The official guide is here: > User Experience Design Guidelines for Windows Phone > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202915(v=VS.92).aspx > > Also, a single, full download of everything needed to get started with WP7+ development is here: > Windows Phone SDK 7.1 > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27570 > > The Windows Phone SDK includes a major collection of software: > > * Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone > * Windows Phone Emulator > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Assemblies > * Silverlight 4 SDK and DRT > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Extensions for XNA Game Studio 4.0 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone 7 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone OS 7.1 > * WCF Data Services Client for Window Phone > * Microsoft Advertising SDK for Windows Phone > > Please note the upscaled system requirements. No WinXP here, and DirectX 9 is an absolute minimum (DirectX 10 is needed for games). The 3 GB is a minimum too, as the Windows Phone Emulator (which on-screen mimics a physical phone) alone eats a whopping 800 MB. > > Note that the Ultimate ($)version of Expression Blend does feature SketchFlow to create sketches on screen: > > http://blogs.microsoft.nl/blogs/ux/archive/2011/06/16/sketchflow-for-windows-phone-the-real-one.aspx > > As for the Northwind.Net porting to WP7, I'll have to think about it. Some challenge - both for the UI design as well as the database connection. Not the first project to work with for me. > > Finally, don't forget the free 1000-page Microsoft Press ebook: Programming Windows Phone 7: > > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24519 > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> > Hi All -- > > FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. > > First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) > > I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. > > One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how smooth his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) > > And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but with Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even using one hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - the thumb one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! > > I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! > > Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows Phone 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a project with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 9 06:27:28 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 13:27:28 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Localizing SQL Server Reporting Services Reports Message-ID: Hi all http://www.codeproject.com/KB/reporting-services/SQLServer2008Reporting.aspx This is a step-by-step walk-through of how to implement localization for SQL Server Reporting Services (SQL 2008). .. An additional item this article covers .. is the ability to use the un-compiled resource files (*.resx) rather than a compiled DLL. /gustav From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 9 08:40:43 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 15:40:43 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil Yes, I've even signed up at the App Hub: http://create.msdn.com/en-US/home/about/developer_registration_walkthrough as we received a one-year subscription in favour of the registration fee (only ~USD18.00). Also, I learned that more attention should be payed to Microsoft Expression Blend. This is an amazing design environment capable of all sorts of web-centric graphics, including animations, and with a amazing Windows Phone graphics designer and emulator featuring drag-n-drop design of many things with automatic sync to and from a code window as well. You have to work with it to believe it. Requires DirectX 10 minimum. It contains some additional tools/controls too, and I did see special controls like the one for the alarm selector, but I can't remember the name of the dlls. /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 09-12-2011 13:18 >>> Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your information. So you're ready to start your custom Windows Phone 7.5 Development? Did they tell how "scrolling selection" UI feature is implemented, e.g. when you set date (selecting day, month, year) while setting a calendar appointment? Thank you. -- Shamil 09 ??????? 2011, 15:56 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi all > > I went to the two-day course in programming Windows Phone 7. A developer track and a UX track were offered; I picked the UX track as I found it best to have a solid foundation here - the coding stuff is easier to pick up later. > > That was a good pick. The session was lead by Arturo Toledo, Sr. User Experience Designer at Microsoft for the Windows Phone Design Studio. > He also runs a comprehensive site which I believe contains or links to anything you may wish to know about design for WP7: > > http://ux.artu.tv/ > > His partner was Jared Potter (Design Integration Lead) - also called the Pixel Manager as his team approves any graphics going to the phone interface. > > Should you ever come across a session with either of these, do sign in. They know just about anything about what's happening at the screen surface of a Windows Phone, and both are men of great humour who it's a pleasure to spend some time with. > > /gustav > > >>> Gustav at cactus.dk 02-12-2011 22:17 >>> > Hi Shamil et al > > Very well! > > Quite often app development starts with just some sketches. I've learned that this is called UX sketching (for User eXperience). > > Tools exist for this. Here is one by Sara Summers for the panorama view of Metro: > > http://www.uxarray.com/2010/11/18/prototyping-sketch-sheets-wp7/ > > and the sheet to print and cut and draw upon: > http://www.uxarray.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/PaperPrototype_Sketchbook_WP7_Metro.pdf > > Another one by Rashid Ali is here: > Windows Phone 7 UX Sketch Templates > http://blog.merrycode.com/windows-phone-7-ux-sketch-templates/ > > The official guide is here: > User Experience Design Guidelines for Windows Phone > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202915(v=VS.92).aspx > > Also, a single, full download of everything needed to get started with WP7+ development is here: > Windows Phone SDK 7.1 > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27570 > > The Windows Phone SDK includes a major collection of software: > > * Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone > * Windows Phone Emulator > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Assemblies > * Silverlight 4 SDK and DRT > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Extensions for XNA Game Studio 4.0 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone 7 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone OS 7.1 > * WCF Data Services Client for Window Phone > * Microsoft Advertising SDK for Windows Phone > > Please note the upscaled system requirements. No WinXP here, and DirectX 9 is an absolute minimum (DirectX 10 is needed for games). The 3 GB is a minimum too, as the Windows Phone Emulator (which on-screen mimics a physical phone) alone eats a whopping 800 MB. > > Note that the Ultimate ($)version of Expression Blend does feature SketchFlow to create sketches on screen: > > http://blogs.microsoft.nl/blogs/ux/archive/2011/06/16/sketchflow-for-windows-phone-the-real-one.aspx > > As for the Northwind.Net porting to WP7, I'll have to think about it. Some challenge - both for the UI design as well as the database connection. Not the first project to work with for me. > > Finally, don't forget the free 1000-page Microsoft Press ebook: Programming Windows Phone 7: > > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24519 > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> > Hi All -- > > FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. > > First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) > > I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. > > One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how smooth his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) > > And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but with Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even using one hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - the thumb one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! > > I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! > > Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows Phone 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a project with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 10:06:19 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 11:06:19 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Being unable to afford a Win7 phone, is that an impediment to development, or can I fake it using the IDE? Arthur On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Shamil > > Yes, I've even signed up at the App Hub: > > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/home/about/developer_registration_walkthrough > > as we received a one-year subscription in favour of the registration fee > (only ~USD18.00). > > Also, I learned that more attention should be payed to Microsoft > Expression Blend. This is an amazing design environment capable of all > sorts of web-centric graphics, including animations, and with a amazing > Windows Phone graphics designer and emulator featuring drag-n-drop design > of many things with automatic sync to and from a code window as well. You > have to work with it to believe it. Requires DirectX 10 minimum. > > It contains some additional tools/controls too, and I did see special > controls like the one for the alarm selector, but I can't remember the name > of the dlls. > > /gustav > > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 9 10:18:47 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 17:18:47 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Arthur You can fake it - actually are expected to do so during development - using the Windows Phone 7 Emulator (from the free SDK) which on-screen mimics most things. It requires 800 MB of ram and DirectX 10 graphics minimum. /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 09-12-2011 17:06 >>> Being unable to afford a Win7 phone, is that an impediment to development, or can I fake it using the IDE? Arthur On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Shamil > > Yes, I've even signed up at the App Hub: > > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/home/about/developer_registration_walkthrough > > as we received a one-year subscription in favour of the registration fee > (only ~USD18.00). > > Also, I learned that more attention should be payed to Microsoft > Expression Blend. This is an amazing design environment capable of all > sorts of web-centric graphics, including animations, and with a amazing > Windows Phone graphics designer and emulator featuring drag-n-drop design > of many things with automatic sync to and from a code window as well. You > have to work with it to believe it. Requires DirectX 10 minimum. > > It contains some additional tools/controls too, and I did see special > controls like the one for the alarm selector, but I can't remember the name > of the dlls. > > /gustav From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 10:34:34 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 11:34:34 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for that, Gustav. As it happens, I have an idea in mind for an app, which I may donate to the world (since I really don't see how to make loot from it, despite its demonstrable usefulness to a small minority of the populace). I'll grab the resources soon and knock together the first sketch of same. That prompts another question: supposing that I have everything installed to create an app, is it possible for me to send said files to you (or anyone else so equipped) so that you could load it and run it and criticize it and maybe even contribute additional modules to it? I ask this because the amount of data my app would require is huge. However, I can see this working (perhaps) in several ways: a) everything is somewhere in some cloud; b) the fifteen or twenty topics of interest can be downloaded into your phone; c) a mix of both, in which your core interests are stored in your phone, but you still have access to the whole repository, and ability to add new selections to your core interests, which causes immediate download to your phone/tablet/whatever. Without giving the whole idea away, it's an encyclopedia for engineers, construction contractors, etc. I already have created a bunch of the tables required for such an app, but I have several thousand more to go, until it's the ultimate reference. Thx, A. On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Arthur > > You can fake it - actually are expected to do so during development - > using the Windows Phone 7 Emulator (from the free SDK) which on-screen > mimics most things. It requires 800 MB of ram and DirectX 10 graphics > minimum. > > /gustav > > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 9 10:52:49 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 17:52:49 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Arthur Feel free. I think your option c) would be fine but it would depend a lot on how your data should be browsed. Data communication with WP7 is somewhat special as you will not have, say, a direct connection to an SQL Server. If I recall correctly, everything is done via web services. As you describe your app, it sounds like a pro tool that could be charged for. I mean: How many amateur construction contractors exist out there? In the Third World perhaps ...? /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 09-12-2011 17:34 >>> Thanks for that, Gustav. As it happens, I have an idea in mind for an app, which I may donate to the world (since I really don't see how to make loot from it, despite its demonstrable usefulness to a small minority of the populace). I'll grab the resources soon and knock together the first sketch of same. That prompts another question: supposing that I have everything installed to create an app, is it possible for me to send said files to you (or anyone else so equipped) so that you could load it and run it and criticize it and maybe even contribute additional modules to it? I ask this because the amount of data my app would require is huge. However, I can see this working (perhaps) in several ways: a) everything is somewhere in some cloud; b) the fifteen or twenty topics of interest can be downloaded into your phone; c) a mix of both, in which your core interests are stored in your phone, but you still have access to the whole repository, and ability to add new selections to your core interests, which causes immediate download to your phone/tablet/whatever. Without giving the whole idea away, it's an encyclopedia for engineers, construction contractors, etc. I already have created a bunch of the tables required for such an app, but I have several thousand more to go, until it's the ultimate reference. Thx, A. On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Arthur > > You can fake it - actually are expected to do so during development - > using the Windows Phone 7 Emulator (from the free SDK) which on-screen > mimics most things. It requires 800 MB of ram and DirectX 10 graphics > minimum. > > /gustav From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 11:51:49 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 12:51:49 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You have a point! Aside from students, the only other market is professionals. Point taken. I'm thinking of a $6.54 price point. It sort of rhymes. A. From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Dec 9 13:11:07 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 23:11:07 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Gustav, Ok, I will also register for App Hub. Thank you. Shamil P.S. Replied from Nokia Lumia 800 - rural area 70+ km from St.Petersburg 09 ??????? 2011, 18:37 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > Yes, I've even signed up at the App Hub: > > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/home/about/developer_registration_walkthrough > > as we received a one-year subscription in favour of the registration fee (only > ~USD18.00). > > Also, I learned that more attention should be payed to Microsoft Expression > Blend. This is an amazing design environment capable of all sorts of > web-centric graphics, including animations, and with a amazing Windows Phone > graphics designer and emulator featuring drag-n-drop design of many things > with automatic sync to and from a code window as well. You have to work with > it to believe it. Requires DirectX 10 minimum. > > It contains some additional tools/controls too, and I did see special controls > like the one for the alarm selector, but I can't remember the name of the > dlls. > > /gustav > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 09-12-2011 13:18 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Thank you for your information. > So you're ready to start your custom Windows Phone 7.5 Development? > > Did they tell how "scrolling selection" UI feature is implemented, e.g. when > you set date (selecting day, month, year) while setting a calendar > appointment? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > 09 ??????? 2011, 15:56 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > Hi all > > > > I went to the two-day course in programming Windows Phone 7. A developer > track and a UX track were offered; I picked the UX track as I found it best to > have a solid foundation here - the coding stuff is easier to pick up later. > > > > That was a good pick. The session was lead by Arturo Toledo, Sr. User > Experience Designer at Microsoft for the Windows Phone Design Studio. > > He also runs a comprehensive site which I believe contains or links to > anything you may wish to know about design for WP7: > > > > http://ux.artu.tv/ > > > > His partner was Jared Potter (Design Integration Lead) - also called the > Pixel Manager as his team approves any graphics going to the phone interface. > > > > Should you ever come across a session with either of these, do sign in. They > know just about anything about what's happening at the screen surface of a > Windows Phone, and both are men of great humour who it's a pleasure to spend > some time with. > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> Gustav at cactus.dk 02-12-2011 22:17 >>> > > Hi Shamil et al > > > > Very well! > > > > Quite often app development starts with just some sketches. I've learned > that this is called UX sketching (for User eXperience). > > > > Tools exist for this. Here is one by Sara Summers for the panorama view of > Metro: > > > > http://www.uxarray.com/2010/11/18/prototyping-sketch-sheets-wp7/ > > > > and the sheet to print and cut and draw upon: > > > http://www.uxarray.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/PaperPrototype_Sketchbook_WP7_Metro.pdf > > > > Another one by Rashid Ali is here: > > Windows Phone 7 UX Sketch Templates > > http://blog.merrycode.com/windows-phone-7-ux-sketch-templates/ > > > > The official guide is here: > > User Experience Design Guidelines for Windows Phone > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202915(v=VS.92).aspx > > > > Also, a single, full download of everything needed to get started with WP7+ > development is here: > > Windows Phone SDK 7.1 > > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27570 > > > > The Windows Phone SDK includes a major collection of software: > > > > * Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone > > * Windows Phone Emulator > > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Assemblies > > * Silverlight 4 SDK and DRT > > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Extensions for XNA Game Studio 4.0 > > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone 7 > > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone OS 7.1 > > * WCF Data Services Client for Window Phone > > * Microsoft Advertising SDK for Windows Phone > > > > Please note the upscaled system requirements. No WinXP here, and DirectX 9 > is an absolute minimum (DirectX 10 is needed for games). The 3 GB is a minimum > too, as the Windows Phone Emulator (which on-screen mimics a physical phone) > alone eats a whopping 800 MB. > > > > Note that the Ultimate ($)version of Expression Blend does feature > SketchFlow to create sketches on screen: > > > > > http://blogs.microsoft.nl/blogs/ux/archive/2011/06/16/sketchflow-for-windows-phone-the-real-one.aspx > > > > As for the Northwind.Net porting to WP7, I'll have to think about it. Some > challenge - both for the UI design as well as the database connection. Not the > first project to work with for me. > > > > Finally, don't forget the free 1000-page Microsoft Press ebook: Programming > Windows Phone 7: > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24519 > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> > > Hi All -- > > > > FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. > > > > First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) > > > > I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something > useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. > > > > One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how > well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how smooth > his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) > > > > And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this > device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself > comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but with > Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even using one > hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - the thumb > one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! > > > > I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse > Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! > > > > Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net > project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows Phone > 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a project > with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri Dec 9 13:14:34 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 11:14:34 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9FF29215-68B6-4AE3-979E-38103904348A@phulse.com> There are emulators for all platforms - android, iphone, blackberry and windows phone. Very handy when you want to experiment with a platform that you do not own or is new to you. - Hans Sent from my iPhone On 2011-12-09, at 8:18 AM, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > Hi Arthur > > You can fake it - actually are expected to do so during development - using the Windows Phone 7 Emulator (from the free SDK) which on-screen mimics most things. It requires 800 MB of ram and DirectX 10 graphics minimum. > > /gustav > > >>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 09-12-2011 17:06 >>> > Being unable to afford a Win7 phone, is that an impediment to development, > or can I fake it using the IDE? > > Arthur > > On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > >> Hi Shamil >> >> Yes, I've even signed up at the App Hub: >> >> http://create.msdn.com/en-US/home/about/developer_registration_walkthrough >> >> as we received a one-year subscription in favour of the registration fee >> (only ~USD18.00). >> >> Also, I learned that more attention should be payed to Microsoft >> Expression Blend. This is an amazing design environment capable of all >> sorts of web-centric graphics, including animations, and with a amazing >> Windows Phone graphics designer and emulator featuring drag-n-drop design >> of many things with automatic sync to and from a code window as well. You >> have to work with it to believe it. Requires DirectX 10 minimum. >> >> It contains some additional tools/controls too, and I did see special >> controls like the one for the alarm selector, but I can't remember the name >> of the dlls. >> >> /gustav > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Dec 9 14:50:25 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 00:50:25 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arthur -- You can emulate WinPhone 7 http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff402563(v=vs.92).aspx... Thank you. -- Shamil 09 ??????? 2011, 20:07 ?? Arthur Fuller : > Being unable to afford a Win7 phone, is that an impediment to development, > or can I fake it using the IDE? > > Arthur > > On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi Shamil > > > > Yes, I've even signed up at the App Hub: > > > > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/home/about/developer_registration_walkthrough > > > > as we received a one-year subscription in favour of the registration fee > > (only ~USD18.00). > > > > Also, I learned that more attention should be payed to Microsoft > > Expression Blend. This is an amazing design environment capable of all > > sorts of web-centric graphics, including animations, and with a amazing > > Windows Phone graphics designer and emulator featuring drag-n-drop design > > of many things with automatic sync to and from a code window as well. You > > have to work with it to believe it. Requires DirectX 10 minimum. > > > > It contains some additional tools/controls too, and I did see special > > controls like the one for the alarm selector, but I can't remember the name > > of the dlls. > > > > /gustav > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From gustav at cactus.dk Sun Dec 11 04:45:04 2011 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 11:45:04 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil et al Did you enjoy the footage of the launch in London on Nov. 28th of your Lumia 800 phone? One of the most ambitious projection events ever made using 16 high-power cinema video projectors to light up the 120 m tall Millbank Tower from a 300 meters distance at the other side of the river Thems - with state of the art 3D graphics joined by live music performed by DeadMau5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX2Gd-kqV5s Some background here: http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/11/29/nokia-brings-down-the-hua5-with-deadmau5/ and in the obtuse teaser video (watch closely for details): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlr6tXi7LoU /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> Hi All -- FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun Dec 11 11:08:08 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 21:08:08 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- No, I didn't. I just wanted to get WP 7.5 from Nokia as I recently have had issues with rather simple smart-phone form Samsung and I have never had any issues with Nokia phones. But I currently suppose I did make my purchase in a hurry - I didn't evaluate all the available/soon to be available options - Samsung OMNIA 7 have just been released and it's 1/3 less expensive. And I have got purchased Samsung Fit (with Android) to my kid before I have got my Nokia Lumia 800, and I must admit that Samsung Fit "toy", which is only 1/3 price of Nokia Lumia 800 impresses me and it has some features (camera, free games, even keyboard) which do outperform/look more useful/user-friendly IMO/come free comparing to my Nokia Lumia 800... Anyway, I'm "bound" to MS and so I have to adapt to what I have got :) This WP7 "Metro" (?) interface usability is questionable for me currently, and WP7 AMOLED surface sensibility is too sensible IMO - is there any way to make it less sensible till I'll get adapted to it? :) That promise to be very interesting how MS with their mobile phones manufacturing partners will get their current OS, device and its interface evolved in a more user-friendly thing as e.g. my kid's Samsung Fit with Android is now... Thank you. -- Shamil 11 ??????? 2011, 14:41 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil et al > > Did you enjoy the footage of the launch in London on Nov. 28th of your Lumia 800 phone? One of the most ambitious projection events ever made using 16 high-power cinema video projectors to light up the 120 m tall Millbank Tower from a 300 meters distance at the other side of the river Thems - with state of the art 3D graphics joined by live music performed by DeadMau5: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX2Gd-kqV5s > > Some background here: > http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/11/29/nokia-brings-down-the-hua5-with-deadmau5/ > > and in the obtuse teaser video (watch closely for details): > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlr6tXi7LoU > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> > Hi All -- > > FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From gustav at cactus.dk Sun Dec 11 11:44:50 2011 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 18:44:50 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil That's how it is. New top-level models are always quite expensive - so was my Omnia7 a year ago, today it's an "old" model more moderately priced. I don't know of a way to tighten the sensibility - you may need to join one of the hacker/flashing-forums to gain knowledge, for example: http://forum.xda-developers.com/ /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 11-12-2011 18:08 >>> Hi Gustav -- No, I didn't. I just wanted to get WP 7.5 from Nokia as I recently have had issues with rather simple smart-phone form Samsung and I have never had any issues with Nokia phones. But I currently suppose I did make my purchase in a hurry - I didn't evaluate all the available/soon to be available options - Samsung OMNIA 7 have just been released and it's 1/3 less expensive. And I have got purchased Samsung Fit (with Android) to my kid before I have got my Nokia Lumia 800, and I must admit that Samsung Fit "toy", which is only 1/3 price of Nokia Lumia 800 impresses me and it has some features (camera, free games, even keyboard) which do outperform/look more useful/user-friendly IMO/come free comparing to my Nokia Lumia 800... Anyway, I'm "bound" to MS and so I have to adapt to what I have got :) This WP7 "Metro" (?) interface usability is questionable for me currently, and WP7 AMOLED surface sensibility is too sensible IMO - is there any way to make it less sensible till I'll get adapted to it? :) That promise to be very interesting how MS with their mobile phones manufacturing partners will get their current OS, device and its interface evolved in a more user-friendly thing as e.g. my kid's Samsung Fit with Android is now... Thank you. -- Shamil 11 ??????? 2011, 14:41 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil et al > > Did you enjoy the footage of the launch in London on Nov. 28th of your Lumia 800 phone? One of the most ambitious projection events ever made using 16 high-power cinema video projectors to light up the 120 m tall Millbank Tower from a 300 meters distance at the other side of the river Thems - with state of the art 3D graphics joined by live music performed by DeadMau5: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX2Gd-kqV5s > > Some background here: > http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/11/29/nokia-brings-down-the-hua5-with-deadmau5/ > > and in the obtuse teaser video (watch closely for details): > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlr6tXi7LoU > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> > Hi All -- > > FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 14:07:09 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 15:07:09 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Control tab order in C# Message-ID: I'm just starting out, so forgive the simple question. How do I control the tab order of a collection of textBoxes within a given Windows form? TIA, Arthur -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun Dec 11 14:41:17 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 00:41:17 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Control_tab_order_in_C=23?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arthur -- With Windows form opened in design mode IDE menu entry View -> Tab Order toggles tab order setting mode - when it's 'On' you'll see the current tab order. To change tab order just click on controls in the the sequence you wanted them to be "tab ordered". Thank you. -- Shamil 12 ??????? 2011, 00:07 ?? Arthur Fuller : > I'm just starting out, so forgive the simple question. How do I control the > tab order of a collection of textBoxes within a given Windows form? > > TIA, > Arthur > > -- > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > but it's the emptiness > that makes a wheel work > -- from the Daodejing > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 07:13:00 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 08:13:00 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Control tab order in C# In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's where I expected to find it, but I don't see it there. I'm using VC# 2010 Express. Maybe it's not in that version? A. On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi Arthur -- > > With Windows form opened in design mode IDE menu entry > > View -> Tab Order > > toggles tab order setting mode - when it's 'On' you'll see the current tab > order. > To change tab order just click on controls in the the sequence you wanted > them to be "tab ordered". > > From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Mon Dec 12 08:53:28 2011 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:53:28 +0000 Subject: [dba-VB] Control tab order in C# In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you mean the tab order of a field on a form, same as usual in my version I have just installed at home, I created a form placed a textbox on t, right click, properties and you can change the tab order number there, just above the tab stop being true or false. On 12 December 2011 13:13, Arthur Fuller wrote: > That's where I expected to find it, but I don't see it there. I'm using VC# > 2010 Express. Maybe it's not in that version? > A. > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil >wrote: > > > Hi Arthur -- > > > > With Windows form opened in design mode IDE menu entry > > > > View -> Tab Order > > > > toggles tab order setting mode - when it's 'On' you'll see the current > tab > > order. > > To change tab order just click on controls in the the sequence you wanted > > them to be "tab ordered". > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 10:40:21 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:40:21 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Control tab order in C# In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ah! I'll try that in a moment. I was looking on the View menu as in Access. Thanks. Arthur On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Paul Hartland wrote: > If you mean the tab order of a field on a form, same as usual in my version > I have just installed at home, I created a form placed a textbox on t, > right click, properties and you can change the tab order number there, > just above the tab stop being true or false. > > From marklbreen at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 16:54:32 2011 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 22:54:32 +0000 Subject: [dba-VB] How to problematically (or by other automation) control an ActiveX control in IE Message-ID: Hello All, I arrived into a customer today with the intention of preparing for a project to automate a process for placing orders in an online database. The process today is that the user sits for four hours and copy and pastes from Excel into a browser. I was hoping to use Selenium to automate that. However, I was disappointed to note that the website is actually an ActiveX control running in IE. That leaves me with options such as a) using other macro software, attempt to automate the process b) find out how to programatically manipulate an ActiveX c) some other option not thought of yet. I am asking the list whether you have any advice to give? If this ActiveX has been installed on the PC and runs well, how difficult would it be to execute all the functionality it offers? I may have no documentation. Does my question even make sense? Your advice, as always, is appreciated. thanks Mark PS, Happy Birthday to Rocky From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Dec 12 17:27:08 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:27:08 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] How to problematically (or by other automation) control an ActiveX control in IE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EE68DCC.24699.DD6B17B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Two approaches which I would use in this situation: 1. Put Wireshark or similar on the PC and monitor the HTTP(S?) traffic when orders are being placed with the current system. Then you'll know exactly what needs to be sent to the online application and what responses it generates. Having done that, decide if it feasible to write another application to send and receive the same HTTP(S?) traffic. (Hint PowerBASIC is great for that sort of thing ) If that it is not feasible: - 2. Write an AutoIt application to extract the data from the spreadsheet and feed it to the ActiveX screen. -- Stuart On 12 Dec 2011 at 22:54, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello All, > > I arrived into a customer today with the intention of preparing for a > project to automate a process for placing orders in an online database. > > The process today is that the user sits for four hours and copy and pastes > from Excel into a browser. I was hoping to use Selenium to automate that. > > However, I was disappointed to note that the website is actually an ActiveX > control running in IE. > > That leaves me with options such as > > a) using other macro software, attempt to automate the process > b) find out how to programatically manipulate an ActiveX > c) some other option not thought of yet. > > I am asking the list whether you have any advice to give? If this ActiveX > has been installed on the PC and runs well, how difficult would it be to > execute all the functionality it offers? I may have no documentation. > > Does my question even make sense? > > Your advice, as always, is appreciated. > > thanks > > Mark > > PS, Happy Birthday to Rocky > _______________________________________________ > dba-SQLServer mailing list > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From fhtapia at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 12:58:06 2011 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:58:06 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] [dba-SQLServer] How to problematically (or by other automation) control an ActiveX control in IE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: First, Happy belated birthday Rocky! Second, Does the customer have control of the online database? if so the automation could just be made at the Excel spreadsheet to push out to the online db. right? if it's a 3rd party database, then automation might just be key, take a look at http://www.autohotkey.com/ we use it here to help control our touchscreen kiosk. -Francisco http://bit.ly/sqlthis | Tsql and More... On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 14:54, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello All, > > I arrived into a customer today with the intention of preparing for a > project to automate a process for placing orders in an online database. > > The process today is that the user sits for four hours and copy and pastes > from Excel into a browser. I was hoping to use Selenium to automate that. > > However, I was disappointed to note that the website is actually an ActiveX > control running in IE. > > That leaves me with options such as > > a) using other macro software, attempt to automate the process > b) find out how to programatically manipulate an ActiveX > c) some other option not thought of yet. > > I am asking the list whether you have any advice to give? If this ActiveX > has been installed on the PC and runs well, how difficult would it be to > execute all the functionality it offers? I may have no documentation. > > Does my question even make sense? > > Your advice, as always, is appreciated. > > thanks > > Mark > > PS, Happy Birthday to Rocky > _______________________________________________ > dba-SQLServer mailing list > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From fhtapia at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 13:48:34 2011 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:48:34 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] Sql Server 2008 VTF and SQL CLR Message-ID: have any of you worked with Table Valued Functions yet? I know how to create a SQL value table function in pure TSQL, but getting one to work that's built off of SQL CLR is something new entirely to me :phew: My sample here is simple, but the idea is that I'm going to be calling a webservice to collect some data. I'd like to have at least a two column table returned so that I can create labels or maybe a multi-column with the appropriate column name. here is my working code from c# and this does yield me a working returned table. As always your help is appreciated! [Microsoft.SqlServer.Server.SqlFunction(FillRowMethodName = "getFillRow", TableDefinition = "Field1 nvarchar(20)")] public static IEnumerable fngetTEST(string strSomeInput) { ArrayList myList = new ArrayList(); myList.Add("test1"); myList.Add("test2"); return new ArrayList(myList); } private static void getFillRow(object obj, out SqlString strField1 ) { strField1 = Convert.ToString(obj); } -Francisco http://bit.ly/sqlthis | Tsql and More... From fhtapia at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 18:38:03 2011 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 16:38:03 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] Sql Server 2008 VTF and SQL CLR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: this works now... working demo code: private class myRows { public SqlInt32 PKID; public SqlString strValue; public myRows(SqlInt32 pkid, SqlString strvalue) { PKID = pkid; strValue = strvalue; } } [Microsoft.SqlServer.Server.SqlFunction(FillRowMethodName = "getFillRow", TableDefinition = "pkid int,Field1 nvarchar(20)")] public static IEnumerable fngetTEST(string strSomeInput) { ArrayList myArray = new ArrayList(); myArray.Add(new myRows(0, "Field1")); myArray.Add(new myRows(1, "Field2")); myArray.Add(new myRows(2, "Field3")); myArray.Add(new myRows(3, "Field4")); return new ArrayList(myArray); } private static void getFillRow( object arrayObj, out SqlInt32 intPKID, out SqlString strField1 ) { myRows MyRows = (myRows)arrayObj; intPKID = MyRows.PKID; strField1 = MyRows.strValue; } -Francisco http://bit.ly/sqlthis | Tsql and More... On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 11:48, Francisco Tapia wrote: > have any of you worked with Table Valued Functions yet? I know how to > create a SQL value table function in pure TSQL, but getting one to work > that's built off of SQL CLR is something new entirely to me :phew: My > sample here is simple, but the idea is that I'm going to be calling a > webservice to collect some data. I'd like to have at least a two column > table returned so that I can create labels or maybe a multi-column with the > appropriate column name. > > here is my working code from c# and this does yield me a working returned > table. > > As always your help is appreciated! > > [Microsoft.SqlServer.Server.SqlFunction(FillRowMethodName = "getFillRow", > TableDefinition = "Field1 nvarchar(20)")] > public static IEnumerable fngetTEST(string strSomeInput) > { > ArrayList myList = new ArrayList(); > myList.Add("test1"); > myList.Add("test2"); > return new ArrayList(myList); > } > private static void getFillRow(object obj, > out SqlString strField1 > > ) > { > strField1 = Convert.ToString(obj); > } > > > -Francisco > http://bit.ly/sqlthis | Tsql and More... > > > > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sat Dec 17 12:28:18 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 22:28:18 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Sql_Server_2008_VTF_and_SQL_CLR?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Francisco -- Thank you for your sample code. I will put it in my code snippets. -- Shamil 17 ??????? 2011, 04:39 ?? Francisco Tapia : > this works now... > > working demo code: > > private class myRows > { > public SqlInt32 PKID; > public SqlString strValue; > > public myRows(SqlInt32 pkid, SqlString strvalue) > { > PKID = pkid; > strValue = strvalue; > } > } > [Microsoft.SqlServer.Server.SqlFunction(FillRowMethodName = > "getFillRow", > TableDefinition = "pkid int,Field1 nvarchar(20)")] > public static IEnumerable fngetTEST(string strSomeInput) > { > > ArrayList myArray = new ArrayList(); > > myArray.Add(new myRows(0, "Field1")); > myArray.Add(new myRows(1, "Field2")); > myArray.Add(new myRows(2, "Field3")); > myArray.Add(new myRows(3, "Field4")); > > return new ArrayList(myArray); > > } > private static void getFillRow( > object arrayObj, > out SqlInt32 intPKID, > out SqlString strField1 > ) > { > myRows MyRows = (myRows)arrayObj; > intPKID = MyRows.PKID; > strField1 = MyRows.strValue; > > } > > -Francisco > http://bit.ly/sqlthis | Tsql and More... > > > On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 11:48, Francisco Tapia wrote: > > > have any of you worked with Table Valued Functions yet? I know how to > > create a SQL value table function in pure TSQL, but getting one to work > > that's built off of SQL CLR is something new entirely to me :phew: My > > sample here is simple, but the idea is that I'm going to be calling a > > webservice to collect some data. I'd like to have at least a two column > > table returned so that I can create labels or maybe a multi-column with the > > appropriate column name. > > > > here is my working code from c# and this does yield me a working returned > > table. > > > > As always your help is appreciated! > > > > [Microsoft.SqlServer.Server.SqlFunction(FillRowMethodName = "getFillRow", > > TableDefinition = "Field1 nvarchar(20)")] > > public static IEnumerable fngetTEST(string strSomeInput) > > { > > ArrayList myList = new ArrayList(); > > myList.Add("test1"); > > myList.Add("test2"); > > return new ArrayList(myList); > > } > > private static void getFillRow(object obj, > > out SqlString strField1 > > > > ) > > { > > strField1 = Convert.ToString(obj); > > } > > > > > > -Francisco > > http://bit.ly/sqlthis | Tsql and More... > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From gustav at cactus.dk Sun Dec 18 07:25:34 2011 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 14:25:34 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil Finally, today I installed the latest version 7.5 Mango on our phones. Looks exiting. Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time. One, however, I've missed - a QR code reader. /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 03-12-2011 00:42 >>> Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your notes and links - I have got a few other ones (see P.S.), which allowed me to start WP7 test development I have already got all the development stuff installed and I can create WP7 solutions, build and run them in emulation mode on my PC... So we are just two here - happy owners on Windows Phone 7/7.5? Anybody else? BTW, I have given my WP7.5 to play to my son (he is 10+ years old) and to compare to his Samsung Fit with Android 2.x - and my son wasn't impressed by my WP at all :( (:) Yes, MS has to do quite a lot on this "frontline" to get kids and teens "back to Windows (Phones)". "Angry Birds", "Doodle Jump" and many other popular games are free for Android - very important option for kids. Even with 1-3USD price for "Angry Birds" and "Doodle Jump" MS risks to miss WP market for children... Have you got registered on Windows Phone Development Registration page http://create.msdn.com/en-US/ ? I'm considering registering there if it will give some additional information on WP7, if not, then I will stay unregistered till I'll get something ready to publish on that site. Registration is 99USD/year. I'm also interested will WP7.5 Internet Tethering work here in Russia with my mobile provider or not (http://www.winrumors.com/windows-phone-7-5-internet-tethering-feature-only-available-on-new-devices/) - they say this feature is opened/blocked by mobile operators. I have mobile USB modem which I use with my laptop when on the road or outside of my broadband Internet connection - if WP7 Internet Tethering will be available here then I will use it instead of USB modem... From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Dec 19 02:13:01 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:13:01 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? Thank you. -- Shamil 18 ??????? 2011, 17:21 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > Finally, today I installed the latest version 7.5 Mango on our phones. > Looks exiting. Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time. One, however, I've missed - a QR code reader. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 03-12-2011 00:42 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Thank you for your notes and links - I have got a few other ones (see P.S.), which allowed me to start WP7 test development > I have already got all the development stuff installed and I can create WP7 solutions, build and run them in emulation mode on my PC... > > So we are just two here - happy owners on Windows Phone 7/7.5? > Anybody else? > > BTW, I have given my WP7.5 to play to my son (he is 10+ years old) and to compare to his Samsung Fit with Android 2.x - and my son wasn't impressed by my WP at all :( (:) > Yes, MS has to do quite a lot on this "frontline" to get kids and teens "back to Windows (Phones)". > "Angry Birds", "Doodle Jump" and many other popular games are free for Android - very important option for kids. > Even with 1-3USD price for "Angry Birds" and "Doodle Jump" MS risks to miss WP market for children... > > Have you got registered on > > Windows Phone Development Registration page > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/ ? > > I'm considering registering there if it will give some additional information on WP7, if not, then I will stay unregistered till I'll get something ready to publish on that site. Registration is 99USD/year. > > I'm also interested will WP7.5 Internet Tethering work here in Russia with my mobile provider or not (http://www.winrumors.com/windows-phone-7-5-internet-tethering-feature-only-available-on-new-devices/) - they say this feature is opened/blocked by mobile operators. I have mobile USB modem which I use with my laptop when on the road or outside of my broadband Internet connection - if WP7 Internet Tethering will be available here then I will use it instead of USB modem... > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Dec 19 03:59:29 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 10:59:29 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil Yes, I found one (free) which reads common barcodes as EAN/UPC, PDF417, Datamatrix, as well as QR-codes: Leadtools Barcode Demo It works very well and is intended to demonstrate a SDK offered by Leadtools. /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 09:13 >>> Hi Gustav -- Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? Thank you. -- Shamil 18 ??????? 2011, 17:21 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > Finally, today I installed the latest version 7.5 Mango on our phones. > Looks exiting. Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time. One, however, I've missed - a QR code reader. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 03-12-2011 00:42 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Thank you for your notes and links - I have got a few other ones (see P.S.), which allowed me to start WP7 test development > I have already got all the development stuff installed and I can create WP7 solutions, build and run them in emulation mode on my PC... > > So we are just two here - happy owners on Windows Phone 7/7.5? > Anybody else? > > BTW, I have given my WP7.5 to play to my son (he is 10+ years old) and to compare to his Samsung Fit with Android 2.x - and my son wasn't impressed by my WP at all :( (:) > Yes, MS has to do quite a lot on this "frontline" to get kids and teens "back to Windows (Phones)". > "Angry Birds", "Doodle Jump" and many other popular games are free for Android - very important option for kids. > Even with 1-3USD price for "Angry Birds" and "Doodle Jump" MS risks to miss WP market for children... > > Have you got registered on > > Windows Phone Development Registration page > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/ ? > > I'm considering registering there if it will give some additional information on WP7, if not, then I will stay unregistered till I'll get something ready to publish on that site. Registration is 99USD/year. > > I'm also interested will WP7.5 Internet Tethering work here in Russia with my mobile provider or not (http://www.winrumors.com/windows-phone-7-5-internet-tethering-feature-only-available-on-new-devices/) - they say this feature is opened/blocked by mobile operators. I have mobile USB modem which I use with my laptop when on the road or outside of my broadband Internet connection - if WP7 Internet Tethering will be available here then I will use it instead of USB modem... > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Dec 19 05:40:29 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 15:40:29 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your reply. ? Did you try http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/search?q=Barcode%20Reader it returns a set of available programs Microsoft? Tag Reader Ratings: 564 Free Pic2shop Ratings: 98 Free QuickMark Ratings: 79 Free Butterkiss QR Scanner Ratings: 22 Free PSA barcode scanner Ratings: 66 $1.99 Barcode Reader Ratings: 12 Free Quick Reader Ratings: 78 Free NeoReader Ratings: 19Free QRCode ReaderRatings: 12 $0.99 Fun2D_QR_Code_ReaderRatings: 12 Free Barcode Scanner Ratings: 6 Free i-nigma Ratings: 6 Free QuickBarcodeReader No ratings Free Let's try to evaluate them although I must note I have not that much experience with working with barcodes and QR code. I'd be interested to find and purchase a program which will reliably and quickly read barcodes (and QR codes) , will send them to a web service (which can be defined in program settings) and gets back (maybe in another program which will run on WP7 in parallel) some information about a product/services, which barcode was scanned/shot by camera Thank you. -- Shamil 19 ??????? 2011, 13:55 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > Yes, I found one (free) which reads common barcodes as EAN/UPC, PDF417, Datamatrix, as well as QR-codes: > > Leadtools Barcode Demo > > It works very well and is intended to demonstrate a SDK offered by Leadtools. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 09:13 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". > And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > 18 ??????? 2011, 17:21 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > Hi Shamil > > > > Finally, today I installed the latest version 7.5 Mango on our phones. > > Looks exiting. Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time. One, however, I've missed - a QR code reader. > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 03-12-2011 00:42 >>> > > Hi Gustav -- > > > > Thank you for your notes and links - I have got a few other ones (see P.S.), which allowed me to start WP7 test development > > I have already got all the development stuff installed and I can create WP7 solutions, build and run them in emulation mode on my PC... > > > > So we are just two here - happy owners on Windows Phone 7/7.5? > > Anybody else? > > > > BTW, I have given my WP7.5 to play to my son (he is 10+ years old) and to compare to his Samsung Fit with Android 2.x - and my son wasn't impressed by my WP at all :( (:) > > Yes, MS has to do quite a lot on this "frontline" to get kids and teens "back to Windows (Phones)". > > "Angry Birds", "Doodle Jump" and many other popular games are free for Android - very important option for kids. > > Even with 1-3USD price for "Angry Birds" and "Doodle Jump" MS risks to miss WP market for children... > > > > Have you got registered on > > > > Windows Phone Development Registration page > > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/ ? > > > > I'm considering registering there if it will give some additional information on WP7, if not, then I will stay unregistered till I'll get something ready to publish on that site. Registration is 99USD/year. > > > > I'm also interested will WP7.5 Internet Tethering work here in Russia with my mobile provider or not (http://www.winrumors.com/windows-phone-7-5-internet-tethering-feature-only-available-on-new-devices/) - they say this feature is opened/blocked by mobile operators. I have mobile USB modem which I use with my laptop when on the road or outside of my broadband Internet connection - if WP7 Internet Tethering will be available here then I will use it instead of USB modem... > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Dec 19 06:15:03 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 13:15:03 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil No, I picked the Leadtools app because its description sounded trustworthy and it was free. As it proved to work clever and reliable, I haven't looked further. You click a code, a voice tells you if the app can read it, and next you are offered to search for the code if a barcode was found, or - if a QR-code - it just looks up the URL. Later research showed that they label themselves as "The World Leader in Imaging SDKs" which may not be false. I don't know, but the app works fine and, of course, uses their SDK for QR/barcode scanning. The SDK for Windows Phone is described here: http://www.leadtools.com/sdk/silverlight/windows-phone.htm Quite comprehensive and at a price ... cheapest package seems to be listed at USD 995 - well beyond my budget. For your purpose, custom programming is probably needed. I've seen some open-source projects for reading QR-codes and I guess you can find one as well for barcodes, but I haven't looked for such. /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 12:40 >>> Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your reply. ? Did you try http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/search?q=Barcode%20Reader it returns a set of available programs Microsoft? Tag Reader Ratings: 564 Free Pic2shop Ratings: 98 Free QuickMark Ratings: 79 Free Butterkiss QR Scanner Ratings: 22 Free PSA barcode scanner Ratings: 66 $1.99 Barcode Reader Ratings: 12 Free Quick Reader Ratings: 78 Free NeoReader Ratings: 19Free QRCode ReaderRatings: 12 $0.99 Fun2D_QR_Code_ReaderRatings: 12 Free Barcode Scanner Ratings: 6 Free i-nigma Ratings: 6 Free QuickBarcodeReader No ratings Free Let's try to evaluate them although I must note I have not that much experience with working with barcodes and QR code. I'd be interested to find and purchase a program which will reliably and quickly read barcodes (and QR codes) , will send them to a web service (which can be defined in program settings) and gets back (maybe in another program which will run on WP7 in parallel) some information about a product/services, which barcode was scanned/shot by camera Thank you. -- Shamil 19 ??????? 2011, 13:55 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > Yes, I found one (free) which reads common barcodes as EAN/UPC, PDF417, Datamatrix, as well as QR-codes: > > Leadtools Barcode Demo > > It works very well and is intended to demonstrate a SDK offered by Leadtools. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 09:13 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". > And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Dec 19 06:46:21 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 16:46:21 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your remark. I have got LeadTools Barcode Reader app installed on my WP7. Did you get managed to run its 'Live capture' feature? Any Barcode reading feature? Did you read comments here: http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/cbda342b-8fc5-4c9b-9063-079417a809e6 ? FYI: I have used LEADTools package for one of the applications for one of my customers. That was almost 10 years ago. And it was very impressive that times already. Yes, LEADTools should be reliablle ... and pricey. Yes, if you can find open source projects for bar code reading of QR-codes I'd be interested to look at it. Thank you. -- Shamil 19 ??????? 2011, 16:10 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > No, I picked the Leadtools app because its description sounded trustworthy and it was free. As it proved to work clever and reliable, I haven't looked further. > You click a code, a voice tells you if the app can read it, and next you are offered to search for the code if a barcode was found, or - if a QR-code - it just looks up the URL. > > Later research showed that they label themselves as "The World Leader in Imaging SDKs" which may not be false. I don't know, but the app works fine and, of course, uses their SDK for QR/barcode scanning. > > The SDK for Windows Phone is described here: > http://www.leadtools.com/sdk/silverlight/windows-phone.htm > > Quite comprehensive and at a price ... cheapest package seems to be listed at USD 995 - well beyond my budget. > > For your purpose, custom programming is probably needed. I've seen some open-source projects for reading QR-codes and I guess you can find one as well for barcodes, but I haven't looked for such. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 12:40 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Thank you for your reply. > > ? Did you try > > http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/search?q=Barcode%20Reader > > it returns a set of available programs > > Microsoft? Tag Reader Ratings: 564 Free > Pic2shop Ratings: 98 Free > QuickMark Ratings: 79 Free > Butterkiss QR Scanner Ratings: 22 Free > PSA barcode scanner Ratings: 66 $1.99 > Barcode Reader Ratings: 12 Free > Quick Reader Ratings: 78 Free > NeoReader Ratings: 19Free > QRCode ReaderRatings: 12 $0.99 > Fun2D_QR_Code_ReaderRatings: 12 Free > Barcode Scanner Ratings: 6 Free > i-nigma Ratings: 6 Free > QuickBarcodeReader No ratings Free > > Let's try to evaluate them although I must note I have not that much experience with working with barcodes and QR code. > > I'd be interested to find and purchase a program which will reliably and quickly read barcodes (and QR codes) , will send them to a web service (which can be defined in program settings) and gets back (maybe in another program which will run on WP7 in parallel) some information about a product/services, which barcode was scanned/shot by camera > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > 19 ??????? 2011, 13:55 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > Hi Shamil > > > > Yes, I found one (free) which reads common barcodes as EAN/UPC, PDF417, Datamatrix, as well as QR-codes: > > > > Leadtools Barcode Demo > > > > It works very well and is intended to demonstrate a SDK offered by Leadtools. > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 09:13 >>> > > Hi Gustav -- > > > > Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". > > And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Dec 19 07:05:07 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 17:05:07 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- Additional note: - LeadTools didn't work for me or I used it improperly, - Pic2Shop didn't work also but - i-nigma - http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/828c4e78-1d2b-4fd2-ad22-fde9c553e263 - worked well for flat surface printed barcodes and it even read bar code from a bottle of wine label... So I plan to remove LedTools and Pic2Shop and use i-nigma for technology demonstration purposes. Thank you. -- Shamil 19 ??????? 2011, 16:10 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > No, I picked the Leadtools app because its description sounded trustworthy and it was free. As it proved to work clever and reliable, I haven't looked further. > You click a code, a voice tells you if the app can read it, and next you are offered to search for the code if a barcode was found, or - if a QR-code - it just looks up the URL. > > Later research showed that they label themselves as "The World Leader in Imaging SDKs" which may not be false. I don't know, but the app works fine and, of course, uses their SDK for QR/barcode scanning. > > The SDK for Windows Phone is described here: > http://www.leadtools.com/sdk/silverlight/windows-phone.htm > > Quite comprehensive and at a price ... cheapest package seems to be listed at USD 995 - well beyond my budget. > > For your purpose, custom programming is probably needed. I've seen some open-source projects for reading QR-codes and I guess you can find one as well for barcodes, but I haven't looked for such. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 12:40 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Thank you for your reply. > > ? Did you try > > http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/search?q=Barcode%20Reader > > it returns a set of available programs > > Microsoft? Tag Reader Ratings: 564 Free > Pic2shop Ratings: 98 Free > QuickMark Ratings: 79 Free > Butterkiss QR Scanner Ratings: 22 Free > PSA barcode scanner Ratings: 66 $1.99 > Barcode Reader Ratings: 12 Free > Quick Reader Ratings: 78 Free > NeoReader Ratings: 19Free > QRCode ReaderRatings: 12 $0.99 > Fun2D_QR_Code_ReaderRatings: 12 Free > Barcode Scanner Ratings: 6 Free > i-nigma Ratings: 6 Free > QuickBarcodeReader No ratings Free > > Let's try to evaluate them although I must note I have not that much experience with working with barcodes and QR code. > > I'd be interested to find and purchase a program which will reliably and quickly read barcodes (and QR codes) , will send them to a web service (which can be defined in program settings) and gets back (maybe in another program which will run on WP7 in parallel) some information about a product/services, which barcode was scanned/shot by camera > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > 19 ??????? 2011, 13:55 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > Hi Shamil > > > > Yes, I found one (free) which reads common barcodes as EAN/UPC, PDF417, Datamatrix, as well as QR-codes: > > > > Leadtools Barcode Demo > > > > It works very well and is intended to demonstrate a SDK offered by Leadtools. > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 09:13 >>> > > Hi Gustav -- > > > > Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". > > And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Dec 19 13:14:39 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 23:14:39 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?jQuery_Mobile_1=2E0?= Message-ID: Hi All -- FYI: jQuery Mobile 1.0 http://jquerymobile.com/demos/1.0/? Thank you. -- Shamil? From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Dec 19 15:57:42 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 01:57:42 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- > Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of t Did you try to setup and use AppFlow? (free) http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/578ef361-c265-46b7-b6f4-63cbd7fbefe0 "Browse and discover apps in a new, engaging and beautiful way. AppFlow presents a unique way to explore the marketplace via its Lists, Discovery and Stats features." Thank you. -- Shamil 18 ??????? 2011, 17:21 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > Finally, today I installed the latest version 7.5 Mango on our phones. > Looks exiting. Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time. One, however, I've missed - a QR code reader. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 03-12-2011 00:42 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Thank you for your notes and links - I have got a few other ones (see P.S.), which allowed me to start WP7 test development > I have already got all the development stuff installed and I can create WP7 solutions, build and run them in emulation mode on my PC... > > So we are just two here - happy owners on Windows Phone 7/7.5? > Anybody else? > > BTW, I have given my WP7.5 to play to my son (he is 10+ years old) and to compare to his Samsung Fit with Android 2.x - and my son wasn't impressed by my WP at all :( (:) > Yes, MS has to do quite a lot on this "frontline" to get kids and teens "back to Windows (Phones)". > "Angry Birds", "Doodle Jump" and many other popular games are free for Android - very important option for kids. > Even with 1-3USD price for "Angry Birds" and "Doodle Jump" MS risks to miss WP market for children... > > Have you got registered on > > Windows Phone Development Registration page > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/ ? > > I'm considering registering there if it will give some additional information on WP7, if not, then I will stay unregistered till I'll get something ready to publish on that site. Registration is 99USD/year. > > I'm also interested will WP7.5 Internet Tethering work here in Russia with my mobile provider or not (http://www.winrumors.com/windows-phone-7-5-internet-tethering-feature-only-available-on-new-devices/) - they say this feature is opened/blocked by mobile operators. I have mobile USB modem which I use with my laptop when on the road or outside of my broadband Internet connection - if WP7 Internet Tethering will be available here then I will use it instead of USB modem... > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Mon Dec 19 23:58:43 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 21:58:43 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] jQuery Mobile 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <194C9F6A-82AC-4996-812C-5EF4EF228F11@phulse.com> I am a loyal jQuery fan, but jQuery Mobile still feels really slow compared to something like Sencha Touch. I was hoping they would have improved it significantly by now, but it appears that they just haven't been able to achieve as much as is necessary for a good, smooth experience. - Hans On 2011-12-19, at 11:14 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi All -- > > FYI: jQuery Mobile 1.0 > > http://jquerymobile.com/demos/1.0/ > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue Dec 20 00:18:06 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 10:18:06 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?jQuery_Mobile_1=2E0?= In-Reply-To: <194C9F6A-82AC-4996-812C-5EF4EF228F11@phulse.com> References: <194C9F6A-82AC-4996-812C-5EF4EF228F11@phulse.com> Message-ID: Hi Hans -- Thank you for your remark. I have tried on WP7 (Nokia Lumia 800) several jQuery Mobile demos from the link I've posted - and I have found it good, not perfect but good and smooth enough. I was unaware of Sencha Touch - I have found it now after your remark (http://www.sencha.com/products/touch) - I will check it. Although jQuery is a kind of "de-facto standard" JavaScript framework used even in ASP.NET ... Thank you. -- Shamil 20 ??????? 2011, 09:58 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : > I am a loyal jQuery fan, but jQuery Mobile still feels really slow compared to something like Sencha Touch. I was hoping they would have improved it significantly by now, but it appears that they just haven't been able to achieve as much as is necessary for a good, smooth experience. > > - Hans > > On 2011-12-19, at 11:14 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > > > Hi All -- > > > > FYI: jQuery Mobile 1.0 > > > > http://jquerymobile.com/demos/1.0/ > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Dec 20 00:38:27 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 22:38:27 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] jQuery Mobile 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <194C9F6A-82AC-4996-812C-5EF4EF228F11@phulse.com> Message-ID: <1C71E894-9B32-4DAD-9A2E-5092D5F65668@phulse.com> > Although jQuery is a kind of "de-facto standard" JavaScript framework used even in ASP.NET ? Agreed, but, in my case, I decided that I had to go with what felt like the best experience to a user. Hopefully they will get query on par with sencha touch, because, if they do, I will switch in a heartbeat. Give it a go. You will see what difference there is. - Hans On 2011-12-19, at 10:18 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi Hans -- > > Thank you for your remark. > > I have tried on WP7 (Nokia Lumia 800) several jQuery Mobile demos from the link I've posted - and I have found it good, not perfect but good and smooth enough. > > I was unaware of Sencha Touch - I have found it now after your remark (http://www.sencha.com/products/touch) - I will check it. > > Although jQuery is a kind of "de-facto standard" JavaScript framework used even in ASP.NET ... > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > 20 ??????? 2011, 09:58 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : >> I am a loyal jQuery fan, but jQuery Mobile still feels really slow compared to something like Sencha Touch. I was hoping they would have improved it significantly by now, but it appears that they just haven't been able to achieve as much as is necessary for a good, smooth experience. >> >> - Hans >> >> On 2011-12-19, at 11:14 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: >> >>> Hi All -- >>> >>> FYI: jQuery Mobile 1.0 >>> >>> http://jquerymobile.com/demos/1.0/ >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> -- Shamil >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-VB mailing list >>> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Dec 20 02:01:51 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 09:01:51 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil Thanks, i-nigma looks promising indeed. I'll check it out. Another reason to get hold on a bottle of wine ... /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 14:05 >>> Hi Gustav -- Additional note: - LeadTools didn't work for me or I used it improperly, - Pic2Shop didn't work also but - i-nigma - http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/828c4e78-1d2b-4fd2-ad22-fde9c553e263 - worked well for flat surface printed barcodes and it even read bar code from a bottle of wine label... So I plan to remove LedTools and Pic2Shop and use i-nigma for technology demonstration purposes. Thank you. -- Shamil 19 ??????? 2011, 16:10 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > No, I picked the Leadtools app because its description sounded trustworthy and it was free. As it proved to work clever and reliable, I haven't looked further. > You click a code, a voice tells you if the app can read it, and next you are offered to search for the code if a barcode was found, or - if a QR-code - it just looks up the URL. > > Later research showed that they label themselves as "The World Leader in Imaging SDKs" which may not be false. I don't know, but the app works fine and, of course, uses their SDK for QR/barcode scanning. > > The SDK for Windows Phone is described here: > http://www.leadtools.com/sdk/silverlight/windows-phone.htm > > Quite comprehensive and at a price ... cheapest package seems to be listed at USD 995 - well beyond my budget. > > For your purpose, custom programming is probably needed. I've seen some open-source projects for reading QR-codes and I guess you can find one as well for barcodes, but I haven't looked for such. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 12:40 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Thank you for your reply. > > ? Did you try > > http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/search?q=Barcode%20Reader > > it returns a set of available programs > > Microsoft? Tag Reader Ratings: 564 Free > Pic2shop Ratings: 98 Free > QuickMark Ratings: 79 Free > Butterkiss QR Scanner Ratings: 22 Free > PSA barcode scanner Ratings: 66 $1.99 > Barcode Reader Ratings: 12 Free > Quick Reader Ratings: 78 Free > NeoReader Ratings: 19Free > QRCode ReaderRatings: 12 $0.99 > Fun2D_QR_Code_ReaderRatings: 12 Free > Barcode Scanner Ratings: 6 Free > i-nigma Ratings: 6 Free > QuickBarcodeReader No ratings Free > > Let's try to evaluate them although I must note I have not that much experience with working with barcodes and QR code. > > I'd be interested to find and purchase a program which will reliably and quickly read barcodes (and QR codes) , will send them to a web service (which can be defined in program settings) and gets back (maybe in another program which will run on WP7 in parallel) some information about a product/services, which barcode was scanned/shot by camera > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > 19 ??????? 2011, 13:55 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > Hi Shamil > > > > Yes, I found one (free) which reads common barcodes as EAN/UPC, PDF417, Datamatrix, as well as QR-codes: > > > > Leadtools Barcode Demo > > > > It works very well and is intended to demonstrate a SDK offered by Leadtools. > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 09:13 >>> > > Hi Gustav -- > > > > Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". > > And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Dec 20 02:02:43 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 09:02:43 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil Thanks. No, I used the web page on my pc which allows for a better view of the screenshots. But this one looks very good if you only have the phone at hand. /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 22:57 >>> Hi Gustav -- > Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time Did you try to setup and use AppFlow? (free) http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/578ef361-c265-46b7-b6f4-63cbd7fbefe0 "Browse and discover apps in a new, engaging and beautiful way. AppFlow presents a unique way to explore the marketplace via its Lists, Discovery and Stats features." Thank you. -- Shamil From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue Dec 20 03:24:56 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:24:56 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav at all -- Have a look I have made a "micro research" on bar- and QR- code reading programs for WP7: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/BarCodeReaders.htm Yes, i-nigma is surely a "favorite toy" now but I didn't get setup a few programs mentioned in my research because they are not available on Russian market. The above page is a copy and paste from MS Excel worksheet. If you're interested in the published info please make a copy of it as I'm planning to remove this web page in a few days and probably publish a short note with this info on a Russian web site Thank you. -- Shamil 20 ??????? 2011, 11:57 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > Thanks, i-nigma looks promising indeed. I'll check it out. > Another reason to get hold on a bottle of wine ... > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 14:05 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Additional note: > > - LeadTools didn't work for me or I used it improperly, > - Pic2Shop didn't work also but > - i-nigma - http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/828c4e78-1d2b-4fd2-ad22-fde9c553e263 - worked well for flat surface printed barcodes and it even read bar code from a bottle of wine label... > > So I plan to remove LedTools and Pic2Shop and use i-nigma for technology demonstration purposes. > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > 19 ??????? 2011, 16:10 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > Hi Shamil > > > > No, I picked the Leadtools app because its description sounded trustworthy and it was free. As it proved to work clever and reliable, I haven't looked further. > > You click a code, a voice tells you if the app can read it, and next you are offered to search for the code if a barcode was found, or - if a QR-code - it just looks up the URL. > > > > Later research showed that they label themselves as "The World Leader in Imaging SDKs" which may not be false. I don't know, but the app works fine and, of course, uses their SDK for QR/barcode scanning. > > > > The SDK for Windows Phone is described here: > > http://www.leadtools.com/sdk/silverlight/windows-phone.htm > > > > Quite comprehensive and at a price ... cheapest package seems to be listed at USD 995 - well beyond my budget. > > > > For your purpose, custom programming is probably needed. I've seen some open-source projects for reading QR-codes and I guess you can find one as well for barcodes, but I haven't looked for such. > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 12:40 >>> > > Hi Gustav -- > > > > Thank you for your reply. > > > > ? Did you try > > > > http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/search?q=Barcode%20Reader > > > > it returns a set of available programs > > > > Microsoft? Tag Reader Ratings: 564 Free > > Pic2shop Ratings: 98 Free > > QuickMark Ratings: 79 Free > > Butterkiss QR Scanner Ratings: 22 Free > > PSA barcode scanner Ratings: 66 $1.99 > > Barcode Reader Ratings: 12 Free > > Quick Reader Ratings: 78 Free > > NeoReader Ratings: 19Free > > QRCode ReaderRatings: 12 $0.99 > > Fun2D_QR_Code_ReaderRatings: 12 Free > > Barcode Scanner Ratings: 6 Free > > i-nigma Ratings: 6 Free > > QuickBarcodeReader No ratings Free > > > > Let's try to evaluate them although I must note I have not that much experience with working with barcodes and QR code. > > > > I'd be interested to find and purchase a program which will reliably and quickly read barcodes (and QR codes) , will send them to a web service (which can be defined in program settings) and gets back (maybe in another program which will run on WP7 in parallel) some information about a product/services, which barcode was scanned/shot by camera > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > > > 19 ??????? 2011, 13:55 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > > Hi Shamil > > > > > > Yes, I found one (free) which reads common barcodes as EAN/UPC, PDF417, Datamatrix, as well as QR-codes: > > > > > > Leadtools Barcode Demo > > > > > > It works very well and is intended to demonstrate a SDK offered by Leadtools. > > > > > > /gustav > > > > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 09:13 >>> > > > Hi Gustav -- > > > > > > Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". > > > And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > -- Shamil > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Dec 20 04:34:30 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 11:34:30 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil Thanks a lot! I'll download the worksheet. As I've only tested Barcode Reader, I can add that it does read QR-code and it - at least - does work under some conditions. /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 20-12-2011 10:24 >>> Hi Gustav at all -- Have a look I have made a "micro research" on bar- and QR- code reading programs for WP7: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/BarCodeReaders.htm Yes, i-nigma is surely a "favorite toy" now but I didn't get setup a few programs mentioned in my research because they are not available on Russian market. The above page is a copy and paste from MS Excel worksheet. If you're interested in the published info please make a copy of it as I'm planning to remove this web page in a few days and probably publish a short note with this info on a Russian web site Thank you. -- Shamil From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue Dec 20 05:23:16 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 15:23:16 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?jQuery_Mobile_1=2E0?= In-Reply-To: <1C71E894-9B32-4DAD-9A2E-5092D5F65668@phulse.com> References: <1C71E894-9B32-4DAD-9A2E-5092D5F65668@phulse.com> Message-ID: Hi Hans -- I have tried to run http://dev.sencha.com/deploy/touch/examples/kitchensink/ on WP NOKIA Lumia 800 - it didn't work at all - "white screen" - completely white ans nothing else. I have then tried the same sample/demo on my kid Samsung Galaxy Fit (Android 2.x) and it worked well. Although: - on NOKIA Lumia 800 the above site root (www.sencha.com) is getting opened in mobile mode and - on Samsung Galaxy Fit in "normal browser mode" I've saved link to Sencha Touch to look at it from time to time to see when it will get working well on WP7 - it looks like the problem is with WP7's IE not (fully?) supporting HTML5? Thank you. -- Shamil 20 ??????? 2011, 10:38 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : > > > Although jQuery is a kind of "de-facto standard" JavaScript framework used even in ASP.NET ? > > Agreed, but, in my case, I decided that I had to go with what felt like the best experience to a user. Hopefully they will get query on par with sencha touch, because, if they do, I will switch in a heartbeat. Give it a go. You will see what difference there is. > > - Hans > > On 2011-12-19, at 10:18 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > > > Hi Hans -- > > > > Thank you for your remark. > > > > I have tried on WP7 (Nokia Lumia 800) several jQuery Mobile demos from the link I've posted - and I have found it good, not perfect but good and smooth enough. > > > > I was unaware of Sencha Touch - I have found it now after your remark (http://www.sencha.com/products/touch) - I will check it. > > > > Although jQuery is a kind of "de-facto standard" JavaScript framework used even in ASP.NET ... > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > > > > > 20 ??????? 2011, 09:58 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : > >> I am a loyal jQuery fan, but jQuery Mobile still feels really slow compared to something like Sencha Touch. I was hoping they would have improved it significantly by now, but it appears that they just haven't been able to achieve as much as is necessary for a good, smooth experience. > >> > >> - Hans > >> > >> On 2011-12-19, at 11:14 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > >> > >>> Hi All -- > >>> > >>> FYI: jQuery Mobile 1.0 > >>> > >>> http://jquerymobile.com/demos/1.0/ > >>> > >>> Thank you. > >>> > >>> -- Shamil > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> dba-VB mailing list > >>> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > >>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >>> > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Dec 20 09:41:57 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 07:41:57 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] jQuery Mobile 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1C71E894-9B32-4DAD-9A2E-5092D5F65668@phulse.com> Message-ID: <590AB593-2804-4380-A3E3-01A55C8EBC14@phulse.com> Hi Shamil, Oh dear. Sorry for recommending something that doesn't even work for you. :) To be honest, this is the first time anyone I know has tested Sencha Touch on a WP7 phone (you're the only person I know who has a WP7 phone), so it didn't occur to me whether ST 1.x supported that platform. I looked into it briefly now and my understanding is that WP7 support has not been there yet, due to the fact that it was based on IE7/8. However, with Sencha Touch 2.0 being released imminently and WP7 adopting IE9, that will change (or perhaps already has?). That is as much as I know. I suppose I should mention that ST is different to jQuery (Mobile) in the sense that you build things as an HTML5/CSS3 application in ST (using ExtJS as the equivalent of jQuery), rather than cobbling things together manually like you do in jQuery, so that probably explains why their WP7 support needs to be worked on. - Hans On 2011-12-20, at 3:23 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi Hans -- > > I have tried to run > > http://dev.sencha.com/deploy/touch/examples/kitchensink/ > > on WP NOKIA Lumia 800 - it didn't work at all - "white screen" - completely white ans nothing else. > > I have then tried the same sample/demo on my kid Samsung Galaxy Fit (Android 2.x) and it worked well. > > Although: > > - on NOKIA Lumia 800 the above site root (www.sencha.com) is getting opened in mobile mode and > - on Samsung Galaxy Fit in "normal browser mode" > > I've saved link to Sencha Touch to look at it from time to time to see when it will get working well on WP7 - it looks like the problem is with WP7's IE not (fully?) supporting HTML5? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > 20 ??????? 2011, 10:38 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : >> >>> Although jQuery is a kind of "de-facto standard" JavaScript framework used even in ASP.NET ? >> >> Agreed, but, in my case, I decided that I had to go with what felt like the best experience to a user. Hopefully they will get query on par with sencha touch, because, if they do, I will switch in a heartbeat. Give it a go. You will see what difference there is. >> >> - Hans >> >> On 2011-12-19, at 10:18 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: >> >>> Hi Hans -- >>> >>> Thank you for your remark. >>> >>> I have tried on WP7 (Nokia Lumia 800) several jQuery Mobile demos from the link I've posted - and I have found it good, not perfect but good and smooth enough. >>> >>> I was unaware of Sencha Touch - I have found it now after your remark (http://www.sencha.com/products/touch) - I will check it. >>> >>> Although jQuery is a kind of "de-facto standard" JavaScript framework used even in ASP.NET ... >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> -- Shamil >>> >>> >>> 20 ??????? 2011, 09:58 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : >>>> I am a loyal jQuery fan, but jQuery Mobile still feels really slow compared to something like Sencha Touch. I was hoping they would have improved it significantly by now, but it appears that they just haven't been able to achieve as much as is necessary for a good, smooth experience. >>>> >>>> - Hans >>>> >>>> On 2011-12-19, at 11:14 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi All -- >>>>> >>>>> FYI: jQuery Mobile 1.0 >>>>> >>>>> http://jquerymobile.com/demos/1.0/ >>>>> >>>>> Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> -- Shamil >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> dba-VB mailing list >>>>> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >>>>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-VB mailing list >>> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Dec 28 14:20:35 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 15:20:35 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] but does it run... Message-ID: <4EFB7A13.8040003@colbyconsulting.com> http://www.raspberrypi.org/ They are apparently close to production. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Dec 28 14:36:42 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 12:36:42 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] but does it run... In-Reply-To: <4EFB7A13.8040003@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EFB7A13.8040003@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4BF6A99969CC41F4A00FB89BE229A109@creativesystemdesigns.com> By all comments it does in fact run and run well. Nothing fancy for $25 but it works. :-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:21 PM To: Paul Hollar; VBA; Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [dba-VB] but does it run... http://www.raspberrypi.org/ They are apparently close to production. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Dec 28 14:42:55 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 12:42:55 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] So what is super hot in the tech world? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <049D77D9530A404F9C1B51EBD72D5BE5@creativesystemdesigns.com> You have to look no further than the NoSQL super database called Hadoop. Development in this product has been drawing the best and the brightest from all over the computer world. With databases now exceeded 100 million records the SQL structured DBs no longer functions well in this new environment. http://tinyurl.com/d28d3r6 Jim From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Dec 28 15:55:19 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:55:19 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] So what is super hot in the tech world? In-Reply-To: <049D77D9530A404F9C1B51EBD72D5BE5@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: , <049D77D9530A404F9C1B51EBD72D5BE5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4EFB9047.14178.47C997D4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Yada, yada, yada. Still evangelising I see :-) 100 million records is not per se a problem for a SQL structured DB. No matter how many times people claim that it is, NoSQL is NOT a replacement for SQL, NoSQL is just a group of solutions to manage types of data that SQL is not ideal for. You might just as well say: With images exceeding several megabytes in size, NoAccess is much better than Access for manipulating graphic data. Take for instance the NoAcess super application called PhotoShop. -- Stuart On 28 Dec 2011 at 12:42, Jim Lawrence wrote: > You have to look no further than the NoSQL super database called Hadoop. > Development in this product has been drawing the best and the brightest from > all over the computer world. > > With databases now exceeded 100 million records the SQL structured DBs no > longer functions well in this new environment. > > http://tinyurl.com/d28d3r6 > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Dec 28 16:20:26 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 14:20:26 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] So what is super hot in the tech world? In-Reply-To: <4EFB9047.14178.47C997D4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <049D77D9530A404F9C1B51EBD72D5BE5@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4EFB9047.14178.47C997D4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <2033A8BCA1D44F779154FFE8778189B1@creativesystemdesigns.com> It does not matter what you or I think, it what is important and real. That what is super hot in the computer business is Hadoop. I may never use the product other than to play with but we have to keep abreast on the market trends. The difference between NoSQL and SQL databases is like Mya and Photoshop...one processes thousands of images and one, just one image at a time. We may never need anything more than Photoshop but for those in the image and movie business, Mya is one of the products of choice. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 1:55 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'; 'Discussion concerning MS SQL Server' Subject: Re: [dba-VB] So what is super hot in the tech world? Yada, yada, yada. Still evangelising I see :-) 100 million records is not per se a problem for a SQL structured DB. No matter how many times people claim that it is, NoSQL is NOT a replacement for SQL, NoSQL is just a group of solutions to manage types of data that SQL is not ideal for. You might just as well say: With images exceeding several megabytes in size, NoAccess is much better than Access for manipulating graphic data. Take for instance the NoAcess super application called PhotoShop. -- Stuart On 28 Dec 2011 at 12:42, Jim Lawrence wrote: > You have to look no further than the NoSQL super database called Hadoop. > Development in this product has been drawing the best and the brightest from > all over the computer world. > > With databases now exceeded 100 million records the SQL structured DBs no > longer functions well in this new environment. > > http://tinyurl.com/d28d3r6 > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com Thu Dec 29 10:32:09 2011 From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 11:32:09 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Administrivia - List Archives Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I just wanted to let you all know that the archives are back online after a lengthy delay. If you notice ANYTHING unusual about the archives, PLEASE let me know, listmaster at databaseadvisors.com or carbonnb at gmail.com. The search functionality should be up and running again very shortly too. I want to apologize for having the archives off-line for such a long time, but, unfortunately, life got in the way. :( I hope you all have a wonderful and prosperous New Year! -- Bryan Carbonnell - listmaster at databaseadvisors.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Dec 29 16:08:11 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 17:08:11 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] C# Newbie Question Message-ID: I've got a simple little RichTextEditor program working in C#, thanks to a book I'm working through. But the code I have makes a simple assumption, a hard-coded filename to load and read back. That works ok, as do all the buttons (Bold, etc.), but I want to move this up a notch and call the FileSave and FileOpen stuff rather than use the hard-coded filename. Can anyone help me do this? I want the Open button to invoke the standard dialog and the Save button to invoke the standard FileSaveAs dialog. I'm guessing this can be done in a line or two, and I know how to do it from Access, but I don't have any idea how to do it from C#. Any advice most gratefully appreciated. Thanks and to one and all, Happy New Year! You can deduce how exciting is my life, by the fact that I'm doing this as opposed to roasting chestnuts on a fire with a lovely loved one :) -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. From michael at ddisolutions.com.au Thu Dec 29 18:38:47 2011 From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 11:38:47 +1100 Subject: [dba-VB] C# Newbie Question References: Message-ID: <99266C61B516644D9727F983FAFAB46511B9D2@remote.ddisolutions.com.au> Hi Arthur, Doesn't get much more newbie than this ;-) In the old VB world I assume that like me we all had a dialog class that we reused from project to project. That class would have included various win32 api calls. The dotnet framework libraries are huge and it will take time to suss out where the objects you need are. MSDN and help are pretty good these days, I recommend browsing the contents and reading what seems interesting or useful. VS2010 comes with a number of standard dialogs in the toolbox by default, color, browser, font, open and save. You have 2 options. Drag the control onto a form or declare an instance in your code. Drag onto form and set properties in the property window. Call the openFileDialog1.ShowDialog ( ) method and you are in business. If you declare an instance in your code you just need to make sure you ref 'using System.Windows.Forms;' Then create the dialog using ' private OpenFileDialog dlg = new OpenFileDialog ( );' or however you want to create and scope the object. HTH Michael M Subject: [dba-VB] C# Newbie Question I've got a simple little RichTextEditor program working in C#, thanks to a book I'm working through. But the code I have makes a simple assumption, a hard-coded filename to load and read back. That works ok, as do all the buttons (Bold, etc.), but I want to move this up a notch and call the FileSave and FileOpen stuff rather than use the hard-coded filename. Can anyone help me do this? I want the Open button to invoke the standard dialog and the Save button to invoke the standard FileSaveAs dialog. I'm guessing this can be done in a line or two, and I know how to do it from Access, but I don't have any idea how to do it from C#. Any advice most gratefully appreciated. Thanks and to one and all, Happy New Year! You can deduce how exciting is my life, by the fact that I'm doing this as opposed to roasting chestnuts on a fire with a lovely loved one :) -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1416 / Virus Database: 2109/4110 - Release Date: 12/29/11 From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 30 02:45:36 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 09:45:36 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] C# Newbie Question Message-ID: Hi Arthur A coding life is a happy life! /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 29-12-2011 23:08 >>> I've got a simple little RichTextEditor program working in C#, thanks to a book I'm working through. But the code I have makes a simple assumption, a hard-coded filename to load and read back. That works ok, as do all the buttons (Bold, etc.), but I want to move this up a notch and call the FileSave and FileOpen stuff rather than use the hard-coded filename. Can anyone help me do this? I want the Open button to invoke the standard dialog and the Save button to invoke the standard FileSaveAs dialog. I'm guessing this can be done in a line or two, and I know how to do it from Access, but I don't have any idea how to do it from C#. Any advice most gratefully appreciated. Thanks and to one and all, Happy New Year! You can deduce how exciting is my life, by the fact that I'm doing this as opposed to roasting chestnuts on a fire with a lovely loved one :) -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. From michael at ddisolutions.com.au Thu Dec 1 01:07:47 2011 From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 18:07:47 +1100 Subject: [dba-VB] vb.net vs c#.net References: <20111130221947.DPTS28897.mta02.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz>, , <4ED6FDE3.14088.38C4BD1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <99266C61B516644D9727F983FAFAB46511B8F7@remote.ddisolutions.com.au> I haven't noticed any elitism personally. Clients do seem to be aware of C# though. I started using VB.net in the early days but changed to C# because I was still supporting VB6 apps at the time. I just found myself getting confused ;-) I now would never consider starting a new project in VB.net unless it was specifically required. { Do seem to make your code neater } Cheers Michael M Don't forget the curly brackets - go to have lots of loverly curly brackets too :-) -- Stuart On 30 Nov 2011 at 17:51, Arthur Fuller wrote: > IME, I have observed the elitist preference for C# in the marketplace, > and the dimunition of Vb.NET in the same marketplace. There are a few > differences, AFICS, but there are translators to overcome this. That > said, almost all that is required to move from VB to C# is a bunch of > semi-colons. But the marketplace seems to regard these as worth at > least > $20 an hour more income. So I have dived into C#. Most of the > transition has proved trivial. > > A. > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2102/4049 - Release Date: 11/30/11 From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Dec 1 03:05:36 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 13:05:36 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?vb=2Enet_vs_c=23=2Enet?= In-Reply-To: <20111130221947.DPTS28897.mta02.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz> References: <20111130221947.DPTS28897.mta02.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz> Message-ID: Hi David -- I do use C#. I have made one large VB.NET training project when transitioning to .NET development but after that (that was VS2003?) I have switched to C# development and I'm using it today... As David noted C# syntax is close to Java and I used to port some Java code to C# when there was no C# samples available. That was easy. But that "syntactical closeness" wasn't my main reason to use primarily C# in .NET development. BTW, when you're getting fluent with C# then using VB.NET and VBA becomes an issue (at least for me and that happens after 10+ years of using VBA/VB6 in development) - I mean being "bilingual" C# and VB.NET requires IMO constant everyday usage of both languages, if you'll just use one of them then using another would result in some coding slow down - several days until you'll get on speed again.... I personally do not see any reasons to be bilingual C# and VB.NET in real life projects development... And getting fluent with C# would let you to try to get on speed with C++(/CLI) development, which together with WinRT promise to be one of the main development languages on Windows Phone/Windows Metro Style "development arena"... Thank you. -- Shamil 01 ??????? 2011, 02:20 ?? David Emerson : > Just out of curiosity, a comment I read recently was that 99% of .net > programmers seem to be using c#. > > As far as this group goes: > > What are peoples preferences? > > What do you do most of your development work in? > > Regards > > David Emerson > Dalyn Software Ltd > Wellington, New Zealand > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From jeff.developer at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 10:22:18 2011 From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff B) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 10:22:18 -0600 Subject: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET In-Reply-To: References: <003001cca076$20a08e80$61e1ab80$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004201ccb045$6618e000$324aa000$@gmail.com> Hey Doug, Thanks for the help and sample code. I decided to follow your example and store the sig as a jpg image in a folder. Now, I need to ask you what you did with the signatures, and how? Jeff Barrows MCP, MCAD, MCSD ? Outbak Technologies, LLC Racine, WI jeff.developer at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:04 AM To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET Hi Jeff: We just use SuperSignature as they suggested - to save a file to a folder on the server. But I do retrieve the signature data first as a System.Drawing.Bitmap, then convert it to a jpg and save it. I assume that you could write the Bitmap to a blob field in SQL. Sorry, the code is C#: // signature is returned as bitmap if no path specified System.Drawing.Bitmap BM = ctlSignature.SaveSignature(""); if (!ctlSignature.SignHasError) { // Save the image in JPEG format. BM.Save(Server.MapPath("~/sigs/sign.jpg"), System.Drawing.Imaging.ImageFormat.Jpeg); } else { Response.Write("Error:" + ctlSignature.SignInternalError); } Hope this helps! Doug On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Jeff B wrote: > OK, I guess I need to add some more information. > > We purchased a signature control from WebSignatureCapture. When I > discovered that their control would not work for our site, they > referred me to their sister-site, SuperSignature. > > I have worked with their support team as I could not get the signature > box to show up on the published site, (it was a VS 2010 issue). > > It now appears that things are working ok, but I want to verify that > the image is actually being stored in SQL, and I am currently having > issues retrieving the image from SQL. Does anyone have some code they > are willing to share that retrieves images? And the code you use to > store it? (if I am not asking for too much?) > > > Jeff Barrows > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > Racine, WI > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:01 PM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > I did this for a client's app (in C#). We went with SuperSignature: > > http://www.supersignature.com/ > > If I remember, SuperSignature had a lot fewer options than > RealSignature, but did what we wanted (simple signature capture on a > web app focused on iPhone use) and was considerably cheaper. > > Their copy protection is a little quirky, but their tech support was > helpful. > > Doug > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:37 PM, David McAfee > wrote: > > > My coworker is doing that very same thing, but I believe in C#. > > > > This is where he went for the custom control: realsignature.com > > > > He said it includes the license file. > > > > It looks like they have VB.Net samples on their site. > > > > HTH, > > David > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Jeff B > wrote: > > > > > Does anyone here have experience writing web pages in ASP.NET that > > require > > > online signatures? I have a website ALMOST finished that needs > > > users to sign on an iPad and I need to capture the signature, save > > > it into an SQL Server 2005 database, and extract the signature > > > back out > to a PDF. > > > > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > > Racine, WI > > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbdoug at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 10:46:50 2011 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 08:46:50 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET In-Reply-To: <004201ccb045$6618e000$324aa000$@gmail.com> References: <003001cca076$20a08e80$61e1ab80$@gmail.com> <004201ccb045$6618e000$324aa000$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Jeff: The customer signatures were collected by the iPhone web app as part of a work order tracking system. The work order number was the start of the signature file name. The main processing was done back at the office with an Access database. When a work order was being processed, the office user could check the signature (pulled into an imagebox on the edit screen), and when the invoice was printed, the signature was printed with it. I kept the signature files separate from the Access data file partly to keep the bloat down to a minimum. Doug On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Jeff B wrote: > Hey Doug, > > Thanks for the help and sample code. I decided to follow your example and > store the sig as a jpg image in a folder. Now, I need to ask you what you > did with the signatures, and how? > > Jeff Barrows > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > Racine, WI > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:04 AM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > Hi Jeff: > > We just use SuperSignature as they suggested - to save a file to a folder > on > the server. But I do retrieve the signature data first as a > System.Drawing.Bitmap, then convert it to a jpg and save it. I assume that > you could write the Bitmap to a blob field in SQL. Sorry, the code is C#: > > // signature is returned as bitmap if no path specified > System.Drawing.Bitmap BM = ctlSignature.SaveSignature(""); > if (!ctlSignature.SignHasError) > { > // Save the image in JPEG format. > BM.Save(Server.MapPath("~/sigs/sign.jpg"), > System.Drawing.Imaging.ImageFormat.Jpeg); > } > else > { > Response.Write("Error:" + ctlSignature.SignInternalError); > } > > Hope this helps! > Doug > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Jeff B wrote: > > > OK, I guess I need to add some more information. > > > > We purchased a signature control from WebSignatureCapture. When I > > discovered that their control would not work for our site, they > > referred me to their sister-site, SuperSignature. > > > > I have worked with their support team as I could not get the signature > > box to show up on the published site, (it was a VS 2010 issue). > > > > It now appears that things are working ok, but I want to verify that > > the image is actually being stored in SQL, and I am currently having > > issues retrieving the image from SQL. Does anyone have some code they > > are willing to share that retrieves images? And the code you use to > > store it? (if I am not asking for too much?) > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > Racine, WI > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:01 PM > > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > > > I did this for a client's app (in C#). We went with SuperSignature: > > > > http://www.supersignature.com/ > > > > If I remember, SuperSignature had a lot fewer options than > > RealSignature, but did what we wanted (simple signature capture on a > > web app focused on iPhone use) and was considerably cheaper. > > > > Their copy protection is a little quirky, but their tech support was > > helpful. > > > > Doug > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:37 PM, David McAfee > > wrote: > > > > > My coworker is doing that very same thing, but I believe in C#. > > > > > > This is where he went for the custom control: realsignature.com > > > > > > He said it includes the license file. > > > > > > It looks like they have VB.Net samples on their site. > > > > > > HTH, > > > David > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Jeff B > > wrote: > > > > > > > Does anyone here have experience writing web pages in ASP.NET that > > > require > > > > online signatures? I have a website ALMOST finished that needs > > > > users to sign on an iPad and I need to capture the signature, save > > > > it into an SQL Server 2005 database, and extract the signature > > > > back out > > to a PDF. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > > > Racine, WI > > > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From jeff.developer at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 11:05:18 2011 From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff B) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:05:18 -0600 Subject: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET In-Reply-To: References: <003001cca076$20a08e80$61e1ab80$@gmail.com> <004201ccb045$6618e000$324aa000$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004601ccb04b$67e79dd0$37b6d970$@gmail.com> Right, but what I am trying to figure out is how to pull the image up and add it to the report. Jeff Barrows MCP, MCAD, MCSD ? Outbak Technologies, LLC Racine, WI jeff.developer at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 10:47 AM To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET Hi Jeff: The customer signatures were collected by the iPhone web app as part of a work order tracking system. The work order number was the start of the signature file name. The main processing was done back at the office with an Access database. When a work order was being processed, the office user could check the signature (pulled into an imagebox on the edit screen), and when the invoice was printed, the signature was printed with it. I kept the signature files separate from the Access data file partly to keep the bloat down to a minimum. Doug On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Jeff B wrote: > Hey Doug, > > Thanks for the help and sample code. I decided to follow your example > and store the sig as a jpg image in a folder. Now, I need to ask you > what you did with the signatures, and how? > > Jeff Barrows > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > Racine, WI > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:04 AM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > Hi Jeff: > > We just use SuperSignature as they suggested - to save a file to a > folder on the server. But I do retrieve the signature data first as a > System.Drawing.Bitmap, then convert it to a jpg and save it. I assume > that you could write the Bitmap to a blob field in SQL. Sorry, the code is C#: > > // signature is returned as bitmap if no path specified > System.Drawing.Bitmap BM = ctlSignature.SaveSignature(""); > if (!ctlSignature.SignHasError) > { > // Save the image in JPEG format. > BM.Save(Server.MapPath("~/sigs/sign.jpg"), > System.Drawing.Imaging.ImageFormat.Jpeg); > } > else > { > Response.Write("Error:" + ctlSignature.SignInternalError); > } > > Hope this helps! > Doug > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Jeff B wrote: > > > OK, I guess I need to add some more information. > > > > We purchased a signature control from WebSignatureCapture. When I > > discovered that their control would not work for our site, they > > referred me to their sister-site, SuperSignature. > > > > I have worked with their support team as I could not get the > > signature box to show up on the published site, (it was a VS 2010 issue). > > > > It now appears that things are working ok, but I want to verify that > > the image is actually being stored in SQL, and I am currently having > > issues retrieving the image from SQL. Does anyone have some code > > they are willing to share that retrieves images? And the code you > > use to store it? (if I am not asking for too much?) > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > Racine, WI > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug > > Steele > > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:01 PM > > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > > > I did this for a client's app (in C#). We went with SuperSignature: > > > > http://www.supersignature.com/ > > > > If I remember, SuperSignature had a lot fewer options than > > RealSignature, but did what we wanted (simple signature capture on a > > web app focused on iPhone use) and was considerably cheaper. > > > > Their copy protection is a little quirky, but their tech support was > > helpful. > > > > Doug > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:37 PM, David McAfee > > > > wrote: > > > > > My coworker is doing that very same thing, but I believe in C#. > > > > > > This is where he went for the custom control: realsignature.com > > > > > > He said it includes the license file. > > > > > > It looks like they have VB.Net samples on their site. > > > > > > HTH, > > > David > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Jeff B > > wrote: > > > > > > > Does anyone here have experience writing web pages in ASP.NET > > > > that > > > require > > > > online signatures? I have a website ALMOST finished that needs > > > > users to sign on an iPad and I need to capture the signature, > > > > save it into an SQL Server 2005 database, and extract the > > > > signature back out > > to a PDF. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > > > Racine, WI > > > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbdoug at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 11:08:24 2011 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 09:08:24 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET In-Reply-To: <004601ccb04b$67e79dd0$37b6d970$@gmail.com> References: <003001cca076$20a08e80$61e1ab80$@gmail.com> <004201ccb045$6618e000$324aa000$@gmail.com> <004601ccb04b$67e79dd0$37b6d970$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sorry, neither of the ASP.Net apps I've written involved any reporting. In Access at least, all you have to do is have an image box on the report then set the source of the image box to the path of the signature file when the report section loads. Doug On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Jeff B wrote: > Right, but what I am trying to figure out is how to pull the image up and > add it to the report. > > Jeff Barrows > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > Racine, WI > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 10:47 AM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > Hi Jeff: > > The customer signatures were collected by the iPhone web app as part of a > work order tracking system. The work order number was the start of the > signature file name. The main processing was done back at the office with > an > Access database. When a work order was being processed, the office user > could check the signature (pulled into an imagebox on the edit screen), and > when the invoice was printed, the signature was printed with it. > > I kept the signature files separate from the Access data file partly to > keep > the bloat down to a minimum. > > Doug > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Jeff B wrote: > > > Hey Doug, > > > > Thanks for the help and sample code. I decided to follow your example > > and store the sig as a jpg image in a folder. Now, I need to ask you > > what you did with the signatures, and how? > > > > Jeff Barrows > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > Racine, WI > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:04 AM > > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > > > Hi Jeff: > > > > We just use SuperSignature as they suggested - to save a file to a > > folder on the server. But I do retrieve the signature data first as a > > System.Drawing.Bitmap, then convert it to a jpg and save it. I assume > > that you could write the Bitmap to a blob field in SQL. Sorry, the code > is C#: > > > > // signature is returned as bitmap if no path specified > > System.Drawing.Bitmap BM = ctlSignature.SaveSignature(""); > > if (!ctlSignature.SignHasError) > > { > > // Save the image in JPEG format. > > BM.Save(Server.MapPath("~/sigs/sign.jpg"), > > System.Drawing.Imaging.ImageFormat.Jpeg); > > } > > else > > { > > Response.Write("Error:" + ctlSignature.SignInternalError); > > } > > > > Hope this helps! > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Jeff B > wrote: > > > > > OK, I guess I need to add some more information. > > > > > > We purchased a signature control from WebSignatureCapture. When I > > > discovered that their control would not work for our site, they > > > referred me to their sister-site, SuperSignature. > > > > > > I have worked with their support team as I could not get the > > > signature box to show up on the published site, (it was a VS 2010 > issue). > > > > > > It now appears that things are working ok, but I want to verify that > > > the image is actually being stored in SQL, and I am currently having > > > issues retrieving the image from SQL. Does anyone have some code > > > they are willing to share that retrieves images? And the code you > > > use to store it? (if I am not asking for too much?) > > > > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > > Racine, WI > > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug > > > Steele > > > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:01 PM > > > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > > > > > I did this for a client's app (in C#). We went with SuperSignature: > > > > > > http://www.supersignature.com/ > > > > > > If I remember, SuperSignature had a lot fewer options than > > > RealSignature, but did what we wanted (simple signature capture on a > > > web app focused on iPhone use) and was considerably cheaper. > > > > > > Their copy protection is a little quirky, but their tech support was > > > helpful. > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:37 PM, David McAfee > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > My coworker is doing that very same thing, but I believe in C#. > > > > > > > > This is where he went for the custom control: realsignature.com > > > > > > > > He said it includes the license file. > > > > > > > > It looks like they have VB.Net samples on their site. > > > > > > > > HTH, > > > > David > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Jeff B > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Does anyone here have experience writing web pages in ASP.NET > > > > > that > > > > require > > > > > online signatures? I have a website ALMOST finished that needs > > > > > users to sign on an iPad and I need to capture the signature, > > > > > save it into an SQL Server 2005 database, and extract the > > > > > signature back out > > > to a PDF. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > > > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > > > > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > > > > Racine, WI > > > > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From jeff.developer at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 11:16:39 2011 From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff B) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:16:39 -0600 Subject: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET In-Reply-To: References: <003001cca076$20a08e80$61e1ab80$@gmail.com> <004201ccb045$6618e000$324aa000$@gmail.com> <004601ccb04b$67e79dd0$37b6d970$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004701ccb04c$fd9930e0$f8cb92a0$@gmail.com> Ok, thanks for your help! Jeff Barrows MCP, MCAD, MCSD ? Outbak Technologies, LLC Racine, WI jeff.developer at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 11:08 AM To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET Sorry, neither of the ASP.Net apps I've written involved any reporting. In Access at least, all you have to do is have an image box on the report then set the source of the image box to the path of the signature file when the report section loads. Doug On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Jeff B wrote: > Right, but what I am trying to figure out is how to pull the image up > and add it to the report. > > Jeff Barrows > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > Racine, WI > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 10:47 AM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > Hi Jeff: > > The customer signatures were collected by the iPhone web app as part > of a work order tracking system. The work order number was the start > of the signature file name. The main processing was done back at the > office with an Access database. When a work order was being > processed, the office user could check the signature (pulled into an > imagebox on the edit screen), and when the invoice was printed, the > signature was printed with it. > > I kept the signature files separate from the Access data file partly > to keep the bloat down to a minimum. > > Doug > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Jeff B wrote: > > > Hey Doug, > > > > Thanks for the help and sample code. I decided to follow your > > example and store the sig as a jpg image in a folder. Now, I need > > to ask you what you did with the signatures, and how? > > > > Jeff Barrows > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > Racine, WI > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug > > Steele > > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:04 AM > > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > > > Hi Jeff: > > > > We just use SuperSignature as they suggested - to save a file to a > > folder on the server. But I do retrieve the signature data first as > > a System.Drawing.Bitmap, then convert it to a jpg and save it. I > > assume that you could write the Bitmap to a blob field in SQL. > > Sorry, the code > is C#: > > > > // signature is returned as bitmap if no path specified > > System.Drawing.Bitmap BM = ctlSignature.SaveSignature(""); > > if (!ctlSignature.SignHasError) > > { > > // Save the image in JPEG format. > > BM.Save(Server.MapPath("~/sigs/sign.jpg"), > > System.Drawing.Imaging.ImageFormat.Jpeg); > > } > > else > > { > > Response.Write("Error:" + ctlSignature.SignInternalError); > > } > > > > Hope this helps! > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Jeff B > wrote: > > > > > OK, I guess I need to add some more information. > > > > > > We purchased a signature control from WebSignatureCapture. When I > > > discovered that their control would not work for our site, they > > > referred me to their sister-site, SuperSignature. > > > > > > I have worked with their support team as I could not get the > > > signature box to show up on the published site, (it was a VS 2010 > issue). > > > > > > It now appears that things are working ok, but I want to verify > > > that the image is actually being stored in SQL, and I am currently > > > having issues retrieving the image from SQL. Does anyone have > > > some code they are willing to share that retrieves images? And > > > the code you use to store it? (if I am not asking for too much?) > > > > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > > Racine, WI > > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug > > > Steele > > > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:01 PM > > > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > > > > > I did this for a client's app (in C#). We went with SuperSignature: > > > > > > http://www.supersignature.com/ > > > > > > If I remember, SuperSignature had a lot fewer options than > > > RealSignature, but did what we wanted (simple signature capture on > > > a web app focused on iPhone use) and was considerably cheaper. > > > > > > Their copy protection is a little quirky, but their tech support > > > was helpful. > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:37 PM, David McAfee > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > My coworker is doing that very same thing, but I believe in C#. > > > > > > > > This is where he went for the custom control: realsignature.com > > > > > > > > He said it includes the license file. > > > > > > > > It looks like they have VB.Net samples on their site. > > > > > > > > HTH, > > > > David > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Jeff B > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Does anyone here have experience writing web pages in ASP.NET > > > > > that > > > > require > > > > > online signatures? I have a website ALMOST finished that > > > > > needs users to sign on an iPad and I need to capture the > > > > > signature, save it into an SQL Server 2005 database, and > > > > > extract the signature back out > > > to a PDF. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > > > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > > > > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > > > > Racine, WI > > > > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Dec 1 18:11:29 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 04:11:29 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= Message-ID: Hi All -- FYI:? I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how smooth his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but with Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even using one hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - the thumb one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows Phone 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a project with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? Thank you. -- Shamil From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 2 15:17:52 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 22:17:52 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil et al Very well! Quite often app development starts with just some sketches. I've learned that this is called UX sketching (for User eXperience). Tools exist for this. Here is one by Sara Summers for the panorama view of Metro: http://www.uxarray.com/2010/11/18/prototyping-sketch-sheets-wp7/ and the sheet to print and cut and draw upon: http://www.uxarray.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/PaperPrototype_Sketchbook_WP7_Metro.pdf Another one by Rashid Ali is here: Windows Phone 7 UX Sketch Templates http://blog.merrycode.com/windows-phone-7-ux-sketch-templates/ The official guide is here: User Experience Design Guidelines for Windows Phone http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202915(v=VS.92).aspx Also, a single, full download of everything needed to get started with WP7+ development is here: Windows Phone SDK 7.1 http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27570 The Windows Phone SDK includes a major collection of software: * Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone * Windows Phone Emulator * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Assemblies * Silverlight 4 SDK and DRT * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Extensions for XNA Game Studio 4.0 * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone 7 * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone OS 7.1 * WCF Data Services Client for Window Phone * Microsoft Advertising SDK for Windows Phone Please note the upscaled system requirements. No WinXP here, and DirectX 9 is an absolute minimum (DirectX 10 is needed for games). The 3 GB is a minimum too, as the Windows Phone Emulator (which on-screen mimics a physical phone) alone eats a whopping 800 MB. Note that the Ultimate ($)version of Expression Blend does feature SketchFlow to create sketches on screen: http://blogs.microsoft.nl/blogs/ux/archive/2011/06/16/sketchflow-for-windows-phone-the-real-one.aspx As for the Northwind.Net porting to WP7, I'll have to think about it. Some challenge - both for the UI design as well as the database connection. Not the first project to work with for me. Finally, don't forget the free 1000-page Microsoft Press ebook: Programming Windows Phone 7: http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24519 /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> Hi All -- FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how smooth his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but with Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even using one hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - the thumb one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows Phone 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a project with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? Thank you. -- Shamil From dbdoug at gmail.com Fri Dec 2 15:27:39 2011 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 13:27:39 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wow! Thanks, Gustav Doug On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Shamil et al > > Very well! > > Quite often app development starts with just some sketches. I've learned > that this is called UX sketching (for User eXperience). > > Tools exist for this. Here is one by Sara Summers for the panorama view of > Metro: > > http://www.uxarray.com/2010/11/18/prototyping-sketch-sheets-wp7/ > > and the sheet to print and cut and draw upon: > > http://www.uxarray.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/PaperPrototype_Sketchbook_WP7_Metro.pdf > > Another one by Rashid Ali is here: > Windows Phone 7 UX Sketch Templates > http://blog.merrycode.com/windows-phone-7-ux-sketch-templates/ > > The official guide is here: > User Experience Design Guidelines for Windows Phone > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202915(v=VS.92).aspx > > > Also, a single, full download of everything needed to get started with > WP7+ development is here: > Windows Phone SDK 7.1 > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27570 > > The Windows Phone SDK includes a major collection of software: > > * Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone > * Windows Phone Emulator > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Assemblies > * Silverlight 4 SDK and DRT > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Extensions for XNA Game Studio 4.0 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone 7 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone OS 7.1 > * WCF Data Services Client for Window Phone > * Microsoft Advertising SDK for Windows Phone > > Please note the upscaled system requirements. No WinXP here, and DirectX 9 > is an absolute minimum (DirectX 10 is needed for games). The 3 GB is a > minimum too, as the Windows Phone Emulator (which on-screen mimics a > physical phone) alone eats a whopping 800 MB. > > Note that the Ultimate ($)version of Expression Blend does feature > SketchFlow to create sketches on screen: > > > http://blogs.microsoft.nl/blogs/ux/archive/2011/06/16/sketchflow-for-windows-phone-the-real-one.aspx > > > As for the Northwind.Net porting to WP7, I'll have to think about it. Some > challenge - both for the UI design as well as the database connection. Not > the first project to work with for me. > > > Finally, don't forget the free 1000-page Microsoft Press ebook: > Programming Windows Phone 7: > > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24519 > > /gustav > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> > Hi All -- > > FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. > > First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) > > I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something > useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. > > One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how > well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how > smooth his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) > > And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this > device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself > comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but > with Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even > using one hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - > the thumb one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! > > I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse > Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! > > Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net > project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows > Phone 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a > project with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Dec 2 17:42:26 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 03:42:26 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your notes and links - I have got a few other ones (see P.S.), which allowed me to start WP7 test development I have already got all the development stuff installed and I can create WP7 solutions, build and run them in emulation mode on my PC... So we are just two here - happy owners on Windows Phone 7/7.5? Anybody else? BTW, I have given my WP7.5 to play to my son (he is 10+ years old) and to compare to his Samsung Fit with Android 2.x - and my son wasn't impressed by my WP at all :( (:) Yes, MS has to do quite a lot on this "frontline" to get kids and teens "back to Windows (Phones)". "Angry Birds", "Doodle Jump" and many other popular games are free for Android - very important option for kids. Even with 1-3USD price for "Angry Birds" and "Doodle Jump" MS risks to miss WP market for children... Have you got registered on Windows Phone Development Registration page http://create.msdn.com/en-US/ ? I'm considering registering there if it will give some additional information on WP7, if not, then I will stay unregistered till I'll get something ready to publish on that site. Registration is 99USD/year. I'm also interested will WP7.5 Internet Tethering work here in Russia with my mobile provider or not (http://www.winrumors.com/windows-phone-7-5-internet-tethering-feature-only-available-on-new-devices/) - they say this feature is opened/blocked by mobile operators. I have mobile USB modem which I use with my laptop when on the road or outside of my broadband Internet connection - if WP7 Internet Tethering will be available here then I will use it instead of USB modem... As for Northwind.WP7 - I do not plan to make it having "fancy graphics" interface - I plan to use the basic Silverlight controls for this interface - the main challenges I see currently are: - 1) to make it working and looking well in both portrait and landscape layouts; - 2) to simulate combo-box selection by using Silverlight list control - as e.g. it's done in WP7 "Alarm clock" application when selecting date or time - have you seen any samples presenting this UI development technique? - 3) to make reports by using grid controls hosting other controls; And I do not plan to have any backend communication for the first version of Northwind.WP7 - I'm going to just put all the sample data into resources, which will be compiled and deployed together with application... We will see - as I noted previously I'd currently setting deadline for this project as 6 months as I have quite some other work to do and as WP7 "learning curve" promise to be rather steep.. P.S. Some WP7 resources Windows Phone Development - fundamential concepts http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff626521(v=vs.92).aspx Windows Phone Development http://create.msdn.com/en-us/home/getting_started Silverlight QuickStart http://create.msdn.com/en-US/education/quickstarts/Navigation 03 ??????? 2011, 01:14 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil et al > > Very well! > > Quite often app development starts with just some sketches. I've learned that this is called UX sketching (for User eXperience). > > Tools exist for this. Here is one by Sara Summers for the panorama view of Metro: > > http://www.uxarray.com/2010/11/18/prototyping-sketch-sheets-wp7/ > > and the sheet to print and cut and draw upon: > http://www.uxarray.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/PaperPrototype_Sketchbook_WP7_Metro.pdf > > Another one by Rashid Ali is here: > Windows Phone 7 UX Sketch Templates > http://blog.merrycode.com/windows-phone-7-ux-sketch-templates/ > > The official guide is here: > User Experience Design Guidelines for Windows Phone > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202915(v=VS.92).aspx > > Also, a single, full download of everything needed to get started with WP7+ development is here: > Windows Phone SDK 7.1 > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27570 > > The Windows Phone SDK includes a major collection of software: > > * Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone > * Windows Phone Emulator > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Assemblies > * Silverlight 4 SDK and DRT > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Extensions for XNA Game Studio 4.0 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone 7 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone OS 7.1 > * WCF Data Services Client for Window Phone > * Microsoft Advertising SDK for Windows Phone > > Please note the upscaled system requirements. No WinXP here, and DirectX 9 is an absolute minimum (DirectX 10 is needed for games). The 3 GB is a minimum too, as the Windows Phone Emulator (which on-screen mimics a physical phone) alone eats a whopping 800 MB. > > Note that the Ultimate ($)version of Expression Blend does feature SketchFlow to create sketches on screen: > > http://blogs.microsoft.nl/blogs/ux/archive/2011/06/16/sketchflow-for-windows-phone-the-real-one.aspx > > As for the Northwind.Net porting to WP7, I'll have to think about it. Some challenge - both for the UI design as well as the database connection. Not the first project to work with for me. > > Finally, don't forget the free 1000-page Microsoft Press ebook: Programming Windows Phone 7: > > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24519 > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> > Hi All -- > > FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. > > First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) > > I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. > > One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how smooth his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) > > And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but with Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even using one hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - the thumb one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! > > I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! > > Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows Phone 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a project with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Dec 3 20:06:28 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 21:06:28 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Subversion repositories and server Message-ID: <4EDAD5A4.3020505@colbyconsulting.com> I use subversion here at my office. I have to say I find it confusing and "just use it" without really understanding it. I am trying to set it up at my clients as I am about to start doing some VS 2010 / C# stuff there to replace some less reliable Access stuff. I want the repositories to reside on the server with all of its raid and backup safety net. Here at my office I use the file:// method of accessing the repository which the way I understand it is nothing more than allowing VSN on the workstation to check in and out through a shared directory. When I started research on Google I am getting "shared directories is a bad idea, use a server", but I do not know how to do that. I have set up the server simply by downloading the VisualSVN Server msi and installing it. I created a group and a user and ser my user into the group. I then created two repositories for two different projects and added the group to the project with R/W access and disabled the Everyone user. My question is how do I get my workstation to use the server now? I am using VS 2010, and it has the VisualSVN package installed. I just need to "hook up" the VisualSVN in my workstation to get data from the repository server. Onw would think that there would be a place to go to tell VisualSVN in the workstation "your server is named XYZ" etc but I am not finding that. The "Get solution from Subversion" has a Repository URL line but it does not automatically look for and find my repository and I have no clue what the URL is. IMHO this is the shakiest part of using this stuff. Any help is much appreciated. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Dec 3 20:47:12 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 21:47:12 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Subversion repositories and server In-Reply-To: <4EDAD5A4.3020505@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EDAD5A4.3020505@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4EDADF30.2030909@colbyconsulting.com> Well I got it. The server side software gave me a url. I ended up getting an error about xml not parsing correctly and got a clue (though not an answer) from Google that basically told me I needed to add the trunk portion . I had to add the trunk to the server URL. Then I had to change the default username jcolby (apparently returned from windows?) to the user I set up in the VSNServer and it "took". Sorry for the ring. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 12/3/2011 9:06 PM, jwcolby wrote: > I use subversion here at my office. I have to say I find it confusing and "just use it" without > really understanding it. > > I am trying to set it up at my clients as I am about to start doing some VS 2010 / C# stuff there to > replace some less reliable Access stuff. I want the repositories to reside on the server with all of > its raid and backup safety net. > > Here at my office I use the file:// method of accessing the repository which the way I understand it > is nothing more than allowing VSN on the workstation to check in and out through a shared directory. > > When I started research on Google I am getting "shared directories is a bad idea, use a server", but > I do not know how to do that. > > I have set up the server simply by downloading the VisualSVN Server msi and installing it. I created > a group and a user and ser my user into the group. I then created two repositories for two different > projects and added the group to the project with R/W access and disabled the Everyone user. > > My question is how do I get my workstation to use the server now? I am using VS 2010, and it has the > VisualSVN package installed. I just need to "hook up" the VisualSVN in my workstation to get data > from the repository server. Onw would think that there would be a place to go to tell VisualSVN in > the workstation "your server is named XYZ" etc but I am not finding that. The "Get solution from > Subversion" has a Repository URL line but it does not automatically look for and find my repository > and I have no clue what the URL is. > > IMHO this is the shakiest part of using this stuff. Any help is much appreciated. > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Dec 3 21:39:42 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 22:39:42 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] VSN right click isn't working Message-ID: <4EDAEB7E.1090208@colbyconsulting.com> I use VSN with right click context stuff to check in and out some DLLs such as NLog which are referenced by my projects but are not stuff that I can directly open in VS and use that to do the checkin. The problem is that while the right click menu works on my systems at the office, at my client they cause Windows Explorer to crash, as in close and explorer reopens a few seconds later. Right clicking on any file or directory causes the explorer crash. I eventually found this thing called ShellExView that allows one to see the right click processes that are hooking into Explorer's right click widget, and from there I caused all of the VSNTortoise stuff to stop and the crashes stopped. So I can't use VSN's stuff on my dev machine at the client to check directories in and out of tortoise / VSN and so I have no way to check in initially. I decided to try and do this on the server directly and the right click menu works just fine there, or at least doesn't page fault explorer. However when I try to check it in, it complains about a different user or something. Sigh. AFAIC I do not have to have this in source control, i.e. the reference that I am trying to check in are just dlls which are referenced at a specific path on my hard disk and for that purpose having them in source control doesn't matter. However putting it in source control allows me to "check them out" from any other machine which needs them, and further if I get a new version of a file (nlogs.dll for example) I can check it in and then check it out on other machines to get the latest. The whole point of source control really. So long term I really want to get this working. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Dec 3 22:53:28 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 23:53:28 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Using SQL Server SMO with .Net Message-ID: <4EDAFCC8.1030203@colbyconsulting.com> I am trying to port some pre-written code from my home office to my client where I am setting up to use VS 2010. We use SMO heavily here at my office, but I discovered that SMO is not part of the framework. Ifyou use SMO this is the page that discuses getting a SQL Server 2008 R2 Feature pack which contains standalone stuff including SMO. This apparently has to be installed on each workstation running VisualStudio so that you can reference the SMO in your project references. http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=16978 It appears that they break out a whole bunch of things individually so that you download just a piece you are interested in. SMO is about 3/4 of the way down a very long page of these things. It is precisely things like this that I assume need to go in a source controlled References (my directory name) project so that they can just be downloaded, though in this case it is an MSI and thus has to be installed. I have no clue how bug fixes get applied in cases like this. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sun Dec 4 03:50:28 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 01:50:28 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] Subversion repositories and server In-Reply-To: <4EDADF30.2030909@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EDAD5A4.3020505@colbyconsulting.com> <4EDADF30.2030909@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Hi john, Having a proper svn server is definitely the best in terms of transactional integrity. Seems like you have things worked out, but the apache svn module is pretty straightforward to use and I could easily as you up with a minimal Debian-based svn apache virtual(box) machine within 15 min if that helps. By the way, have you ever toyed wit Git? You don't even have to stop using svn. git can happily work as a wrapper around a svn repo. Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 3 Dec 2011, at 18:47, jwcolby wrote: > Well I got it. > > The server side software gave me a url. I ended up getting an error about xml not parsing correctly and got a clue (though not an answer) from Google that basically told me I needed to add the trunk portion . I had to add the trunk to the server URL. Then I had to change the default username jcolby (apparently returned from windows?) to the user I set up in the VSNServer and it "took". > > Sorry for the ring. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 12/3/2011 9:06 PM, jwcolby wrote: >> I use subversion here at my office. I have to say I find it confusing and "just use it" without >> really understanding it. >> >> I am trying to set it up at my clients as I am about to start doing some VS 2010 / C# stuff there to >> replace some less reliable Access stuff. I want the repositories to reside on the server with all of >> its raid and backup safety net. >> >> Here at my office I use the file:// method of accessing the repository which the way I understand it >> is nothing more than allowing VSN on the workstation to check in and out through a shared directory. >> >> When I started research on Google I am getting "shared directories is a bad idea, use a server", but >> I do not know how to do that. >> >> I have set up the server simply by downloading the VisualSVN Server msi and installing it. I created >> a group and a user and ser my user into the group. I then created two repositories for two different >> projects and added the group to the project with R/W access and disabled the Everyone user. >> >> My question is how do I get my workstation to use the server now? I am using VS 2010, and it has the >> VisualSVN package installed. I just need to "hook up" the VisualSVN in my workstation to get data >> from the repository server. Onw would think that there would be a place to go to tell VisualSVN in >> the workstation "your server is named XYZ" etc but I am not finding that. The "Get solution from >> Subversion" has a Repository URL line but it does not automatically look for and find my repository >> and I have no clue what the URL is. >> >> IMHO this is the shakiest part of using this stuff. Any help is much appreciated. >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sun Dec 4 03:53:21 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 01:53:21 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] VSN right click isn't working In-Reply-To: <4EDAEB7E.1090208@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EDAEB7E.1090208@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: No clue about vsvn unfortunately, but one thing I did learn was how important it was to know have to use svn on the command line and that is all I do anymore (instead of visual GUI apps). Pays in the long run, IMO. Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 3 Dec 2011, at 19:39, jwcolby wrote: > I use VSN with right click context stuff to check in and out some DLLs such as NLog which are referenced by my projects but are not stuff that I can directly open in VS and use that to do the checkin. The problem is that while the right click menu works on my systems at the office, at my client they cause Windows Explorer to crash, as in close and explorer reopens a few seconds later. Right clicking on any file or directory causes the explorer crash. > > I eventually found this thing called ShellExView that allows one to see the right click processes that are hooking into Explorer's right click widget, and from there I caused all of the VSNTortoise stuff to stop and the crashes stopped. > > So I can't use VSN's stuff on my dev machine at the client to check directories in and out of tortoise / VSN and so I have no way to check in initially. > > I decided to try and do this on the server directly and the right click menu works just fine there, or at least doesn't page fault explorer. However when I try to check it in, it complains about a different user or something. > > Sigh. AFAIC I do not have to have this in source control, i.e. the reference that I am trying to check in are just dlls which are referenced at a specific path on my hard disk and for that purpose having them in source control doesn't matter. However putting it in source control allows me to "check them out" from any other machine which needs them, and further if I get a new version of a file (nlogs.dll for example) I can check it in and then check it out on other machines to get the latest. The whole point of source control really. So long term I really want to get this working. > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Dec 4 13:33:44 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 14:33:44 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Automation API, is it needed? Message-ID: <4EDBCB18.4040000@colbyconsulting.com> I got a "speed up VS popup which took me to this page. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/981741 It doesn't sound like it is for the dev environment but rather when running an app with a pen or touch. Am I right there? -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 9 05:59:57 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 12:59:57 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi all I went to the two-day course in programming Windows Phone 7. A developer track and a UX track were offered; I picked the UX track as I found it best to have a solid foundation here - the coding stuff is easier to pick up later. That was a good pick. The session was lead by Arturo Toledo, Sr. User Experience Designer at Microsoft for the Windows Phone Design Studio. He also runs a comprehensive site which I believe contains or links to anything you may wish to know about design for WP7: http://ux.artu.tv/ His partner was Jared Potter (Design Integration Lead) - also called the Pixel Manager as his team approves any graphics going to the phone interface. Should you ever come across a session with either of these, do sign in. They know just about anything about what's happening at the screen surface of a Windows Phone, and both are men of great humour who it's a pleasure to spend some time with. /gustav >>> Gustav at cactus.dk 02-12-2011 22:17 >>> Hi Shamil et al Very well! Quite often app development starts with just some sketches. I've learned that this is called UX sketching (for User eXperience). Tools exist for this. Here is one by Sara Summers for the panorama view of Metro: http://www.uxarray.com/2010/11/18/prototyping-sketch-sheets-wp7/ and the sheet to print and cut and draw upon: http://www.uxarray.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/PaperPrototype_Sketchbook_WP7_Metro.pdf Another one by Rashid Ali is here: Windows Phone 7 UX Sketch Templates http://blog.merrycode.com/windows-phone-7-ux-sketch-templates/ The official guide is here: User Experience Design Guidelines for Windows Phone http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202915(v=VS.92).aspx Also, a single, full download of everything needed to get started with WP7+ development is here: Windows Phone SDK 7.1 http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27570 The Windows Phone SDK includes a major collection of software: * Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone * Windows Phone Emulator * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Assemblies * Silverlight 4 SDK and DRT * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Extensions for XNA Game Studio 4.0 * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone 7 * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone OS 7.1 * WCF Data Services Client for Window Phone * Microsoft Advertising SDK for Windows Phone Please note the upscaled system requirements. No WinXP here, and DirectX 9 is an absolute minimum (DirectX 10 is needed for games). The 3 GB is a minimum too, as the Windows Phone Emulator (which on-screen mimics a physical phone) alone eats a whopping 800 MB. Note that the Ultimate ($)version of Expression Blend does feature SketchFlow to create sketches on screen: http://blogs.microsoft.nl/blogs/ux/archive/2011/06/16/sketchflow-for-windows-phone-the-real-one.aspx As for the Northwind.Net porting to WP7, I'll have to think about it. Some challenge - both for the UI design as well as the database connection. Not the first project to work with for me. Finally, don't forget the free 1000-page Microsoft Press ebook: Programming Windows Phone 7: http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24519 /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> Hi All -- FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how smooth his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but with Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even using one hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - the thumb one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows Phone 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a project with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? Thank you. -- Shamil _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Dec 9 06:18:29 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 16:18:29 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your information. So you're ready to start your custom Windows Phone 7.5 Development? Did they tell how "scrolling selection" UI feature is implemented, e.g. when you set date (selecting day, month, year) while setting a calendar appointment? Thank you. -- Shamil 09 ??????? 2011, 15:56 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi all > > I went to the two-day course in programming Windows Phone 7. A developer track and a UX track were offered; I picked the UX track as I found it best to have a solid foundation here - the coding stuff is easier to pick up later. > > That was a good pick. The session was lead by Arturo Toledo, Sr. User Experience Designer at Microsoft for the Windows Phone Design Studio. > He also runs a comprehensive site which I believe contains or links to anything you may wish to know about design for WP7: > > http://ux.artu.tv/ > > His partner was Jared Potter (Design Integration Lead) - also called the Pixel Manager as his team approves any graphics going to the phone interface. > > Should you ever come across a session with either of these, do sign in. They know just about anything about what's happening at the screen surface of a Windows Phone, and both are men of great humour who it's a pleasure to spend some time with. > > /gustav > > >>> Gustav at cactus.dk 02-12-2011 22:17 >>> > Hi Shamil et al > > Very well! > > Quite often app development starts with just some sketches. I've learned that this is called UX sketching (for User eXperience). > > Tools exist for this. Here is one by Sara Summers for the panorama view of Metro: > > http://www.uxarray.com/2010/11/18/prototyping-sketch-sheets-wp7/ > > and the sheet to print and cut and draw upon: > http://www.uxarray.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/PaperPrototype_Sketchbook_WP7_Metro.pdf > > Another one by Rashid Ali is here: > Windows Phone 7 UX Sketch Templates > http://blog.merrycode.com/windows-phone-7-ux-sketch-templates/ > > The official guide is here: > User Experience Design Guidelines for Windows Phone > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202915(v=VS.92).aspx > > Also, a single, full download of everything needed to get started with WP7+ development is here: > Windows Phone SDK 7.1 > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27570 > > The Windows Phone SDK includes a major collection of software: > > * Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone > * Windows Phone Emulator > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Assemblies > * Silverlight 4 SDK and DRT > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Extensions for XNA Game Studio 4.0 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone 7 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone OS 7.1 > * WCF Data Services Client for Window Phone > * Microsoft Advertising SDK for Windows Phone > > Please note the upscaled system requirements. No WinXP here, and DirectX 9 is an absolute minimum (DirectX 10 is needed for games). The 3 GB is a minimum too, as the Windows Phone Emulator (which on-screen mimics a physical phone) alone eats a whopping 800 MB. > > Note that the Ultimate ($)version of Expression Blend does feature SketchFlow to create sketches on screen: > > http://blogs.microsoft.nl/blogs/ux/archive/2011/06/16/sketchflow-for-windows-phone-the-real-one.aspx > > As for the Northwind.Net porting to WP7, I'll have to think about it. Some challenge - both for the UI design as well as the database connection. Not the first project to work with for me. > > Finally, don't forget the free 1000-page Microsoft Press ebook: Programming Windows Phone 7: > > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24519 > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> > Hi All -- > > FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. > > First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) > > I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. > > One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how smooth his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) > > And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but with Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even using one hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - the thumb one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! > > I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! > > Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows Phone 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a project with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 9 06:27:28 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 13:27:28 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Localizing SQL Server Reporting Services Reports Message-ID: Hi all http://www.codeproject.com/KB/reporting-services/SQLServer2008Reporting.aspx This is a step-by-step walk-through of how to implement localization for SQL Server Reporting Services (SQL 2008). .. An additional item this article covers .. is the ability to use the un-compiled resource files (*.resx) rather than a compiled DLL. /gustav From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 9 08:40:43 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 15:40:43 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil Yes, I've even signed up at the App Hub: http://create.msdn.com/en-US/home/about/developer_registration_walkthrough as we received a one-year subscription in favour of the registration fee (only ~USD18.00). Also, I learned that more attention should be payed to Microsoft Expression Blend. This is an amazing design environment capable of all sorts of web-centric graphics, including animations, and with a amazing Windows Phone graphics designer and emulator featuring drag-n-drop design of many things with automatic sync to and from a code window as well. You have to work with it to believe it. Requires DirectX 10 minimum. It contains some additional tools/controls too, and I did see special controls like the one for the alarm selector, but I can't remember the name of the dlls. /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 09-12-2011 13:18 >>> Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your information. So you're ready to start your custom Windows Phone 7.5 Development? Did they tell how "scrolling selection" UI feature is implemented, e.g. when you set date (selecting day, month, year) while setting a calendar appointment? Thank you. -- Shamil 09 ??????? 2011, 15:56 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi all > > I went to the two-day course in programming Windows Phone 7. A developer track and a UX track were offered; I picked the UX track as I found it best to have a solid foundation here - the coding stuff is easier to pick up later. > > That was a good pick. The session was lead by Arturo Toledo, Sr. User Experience Designer at Microsoft for the Windows Phone Design Studio. > He also runs a comprehensive site which I believe contains or links to anything you may wish to know about design for WP7: > > http://ux.artu.tv/ > > His partner was Jared Potter (Design Integration Lead) - also called the Pixel Manager as his team approves any graphics going to the phone interface. > > Should you ever come across a session with either of these, do sign in. They know just about anything about what's happening at the screen surface of a Windows Phone, and both are men of great humour who it's a pleasure to spend some time with. > > /gustav > > >>> Gustav at cactus.dk 02-12-2011 22:17 >>> > Hi Shamil et al > > Very well! > > Quite often app development starts with just some sketches. I've learned that this is called UX sketching (for User eXperience). > > Tools exist for this. Here is one by Sara Summers for the panorama view of Metro: > > http://www.uxarray.com/2010/11/18/prototyping-sketch-sheets-wp7/ > > and the sheet to print and cut and draw upon: > http://www.uxarray.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/PaperPrototype_Sketchbook_WP7_Metro.pdf > > Another one by Rashid Ali is here: > Windows Phone 7 UX Sketch Templates > http://blog.merrycode.com/windows-phone-7-ux-sketch-templates/ > > The official guide is here: > User Experience Design Guidelines for Windows Phone > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202915(v=VS.92).aspx > > Also, a single, full download of everything needed to get started with WP7+ development is here: > Windows Phone SDK 7.1 > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27570 > > The Windows Phone SDK includes a major collection of software: > > * Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone > * Windows Phone Emulator > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Assemblies > * Silverlight 4 SDK and DRT > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Extensions for XNA Game Studio 4.0 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone 7 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone OS 7.1 > * WCF Data Services Client for Window Phone > * Microsoft Advertising SDK for Windows Phone > > Please note the upscaled system requirements. No WinXP here, and DirectX 9 is an absolute minimum (DirectX 10 is needed for games). The 3 GB is a minimum too, as the Windows Phone Emulator (which on-screen mimics a physical phone) alone eats a whopping 800 MB. > > Note that the Ultimate ($)version of Expression Blend does feature SketchFlow to create sketches on screen: > > http://blogs.microsoft.nl/blogs/ux/archive/2011/06/16/sketchflow-for-windows-phone-the-real-one.aspx > > As for the Northwind.Net porting to WP7, I'll have to think about it. Some challenge - both for the UI design as well as the database connection. Not the first project to work with for me. > > Finally, don't forget the free 1000-page Microsoft Press ebook: Programming Windows Phone 7: > > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24519 > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> > Hi All -- > > FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. > > First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) > > I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. > > One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how smooth his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) > > And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but with Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even using one hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - the thumb one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! > > I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! > > Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows Phone 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a project with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 10:06:19 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 11:06:19 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Being unable to afford a Win7 phone, is that an impediment to development, or can I fake it using the IDE? Arthur On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Shamil > > Yes, I've even signed up at the App Hub: > > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/home/about/developer_registration_walkthrough > > as we received a one-year subscription in favour of the registration fee > (only ~USD18.00). > > Also, I learned that more attention should be payed to Microsoft > Expression Blend. This is an amazing design environment capable of all > sorts of web-centric graphics, including animations, and with a amazing > Windows Phone graphics designer and emulator featuring drag-n-drop design > of many things with automatic sync to and from a code window as well. You > have to work with it to believe it. Requires DirectX 10 minimum. > > It contains some additional tools/controls too, and I did see special > controls like the one for the alarm selector, but I can't remember the name > of the dlls. > > /gustav > > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 9 10:18:47 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 17:18:47 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Arthur You can fake it - actually are expected to do so during development - using the Windows Phone 7 Emulator (from the free SDK) which on-screen mimics most things. It requires 800 MB of ram and DirectX 10 graphics minimum. /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 09-12-2011 17:06 >>> Being unable to afford a Win7 phone, is that an impediment to development, or can I fake it using the IDE? Arthur On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Shamil > > Yes, I've even signed up at the App Hub: > > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/home/about/developer_registration_walkthrough > > as we received a one-year subscription in favour of the registration fee > (only ~USD18.00). > > Also, I learned that more attention should be payed to Microsoft > Expression Blend. This is an amazing design environment capable of all > sorts of web-centric graphics, including animations, and with a amazing > Windows Phone graphics designer and emulator featuring drag-n-drop design > of many things with automatic sync to and from a code window as well. You > have to work with it to believe it. Requires DirectX 10 minimum. > > It contains some additional tools/controls too, and I did see special > controls like the one for the alarm selector, but I can't remember the name > of the dlls. > > /gustav From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 10:34:34 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 11:34:34 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for that, Gustav. As it happens, I have an idea in mind for an app, which I may donate to the world (since I really don't see how to make loot from it, despite its demonstrable usefulness to a small minority of the populace). I'll grab the resources soon and knock together the first sketch of same. That prompts another question: supposing that I have everything installed to create an app, is it possible for me to send said files to you (or anyone else so equipped) so that you could load it and run it and criticize it and maybe even contribute additional modules to it? I ask this because the amount of data my app would require is huge. However, I can see this working (perhaps) in several ways: a) everything is somewhere in some cloud; b) the fifteen or twenty topics of interest can be downloaded into your phone; c) a mix of both, in which your core interests are stored in your phone, but you still have access to the whole repository, and ability to add new selections to your core interests, which causes immediate download to your phone/tablet/whatever. Without giving the whole idea away, it's an encyclopedia for engineers, construction contractors, etc. I already have created a bunch of the tables required for such an app, but I have several thousand more to go, until it's the ultimate reference. Thx, A. On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Arthur > > You can fake it - actually are expected to do so during development - > using the Windows Phone 7 Emulator (from the free SDK) which on-screen > mimics most things. It requires 800 MB of ram and DirectX 10 graphics > minimum. > > /gustav > > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 9 10:52:49 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 17:52:49 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Arthur Feel free. I think your option c) would be fine but it would depend a lot on how your data should be browsed. Data communication with WP7 is somewhat special as you will not have, say, a direct connection to an SQL Server. If I recall correctly, everything is done via web services. As you describe your app, it sounds like a pro tool that could be charged for. I mean: How many amateur construction contractors exist out there? In the Third World perhaps ...? /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 09-12-2011 17:34 >>> Thanks for that, Gustav. As it happens, I have an idea in mind for an app, which I may donate to the world (since I really don't see how to make loot from it, despite its demonstrable usefulness to a small minority of the populace). I'll grab the resources soon and knock together the first sketch of same. That prompts another question: supposing that I have everything installed to create an app, is it possible for me to send said files to you (or anyone else so equipped) so that you could load it and run it and criticize it and maybe even contribute additional modules to it? I ask this because the amount of data my app would require is huge. However, I can see this working (perhaps) in several ways: a) everything is somewhere in some cloud; b) the fifteen or twenty topics of interest can be downloaded into your phone; c) a mix of both, in which your core interests are stored in your phone, but you still have access to the whole repository, and ability to add new selections to your core interests, which causes immediate download to your phone/tablet/whatever. Without giving the whole idea away, it's an encyclopedia for engineers, construction contractors, etc. I already have created a bunch of the tables required for such an app, but I have several thousand more to go, until it's the ultimate reference. Thx, A. On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Arthur > > You can fake it - actually are expected to do so during development - > using the Windows Phone 7 Emulator (from the free SDK) which on-screen > mimics most things. It requires 800 MB of ram and DirectX 10 graphics > minimum. > > /gustav From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 11:51:49 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 12:51:49 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You have a point! Aside from students, the only other market is professionals. Point taken. I'm thinking of a $6.54 price point. It sort of rhymes. A. From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Dec 9 13:11:07 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 23:11:07 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Gustav, Ok, I will also register for App Hub. Thank you. Shamil P.S. Replied from Nokia Lumia 800 - rural area 70+ km from St.Petersburg 09 ??????? 2011, 18:37 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > Yes, I've even signed up at the App Hub: > > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/home/about/developer_registration_walkthrough > > as we received a one-year subscription in favour of the registration fee (only > ~USD18.00). > > Also, I learned that more attention should be payed to Microsoft Expression > Blend. This is an amazing design environment capable of all sorts of > web-centric graphics, including animations, and with a amazing Windows Phone > graphics designer and emulator featuring drag-n-drop design of many things > with automatic sync to and from a code window as well. You have to work with > it to believe it. Requires DirectX 10 minimum. > > It contains some additional tools/controls too, and I did see special controls > like the one for the alarm selector, but I can't remember the name of the > dlls. > > /gustav > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 09-12-2011 13:18 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Thank you for your information. > So you're ready to start your custom Windows Phone 7.5 Development? > > Did they tell how "scrolling selection" UI feature is implemented, e.g. when > you set date (selecting day, month, year) while setting a calendar > appointment? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > 09 ??????? 2011, 15:56 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > Hi all > > > > I went to the two-day course in programming Windows Phone 7. A developer > track and a UX track were offered; I picked the UX track as I found it best to > have a solid foundation here - the coding stuff is easier to pick up later. > > > > That was a good pick. The session was lead by Arturo Toledo, Sr. User > Experience Designer at Microsoft for the Windows Phone Design Studio. > > He also runs a comprehensive site which I believe contains or links to > anything you may wish to know about design for WP7: > > > > http://ux.artu.tv/ > > > > His partner was Jared Potter (Design Integration Lead) - also called the > Pixel Manager as his team approves any graphics going to the phone interface. > > > > Should you ever come across a session with either of these, do sign in. They > know just about anything about what's happening at the screen surface of a > Windows Phone, and both are men of great humour who it's a pleasure to spend > some time with. > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> Gustav at cactus.dk 02-12-2011 22:17 >>> > > Hi Shamil et al > > > > Very well! > > > > Quite often app development starts with just some sketches. I've learned > that this is called UX sketching (for User eXperience). > > > > Tools exist for this. Here is one by Sara Summers for the panorama view of > Metro: > > > > http://www.uxarray.com/2010/11/18/prototyping-sketch-sheets-wp7/ > > > > and the sheet to print and cut and draw upon: > > > http://www.uxarray.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/PaperPrototype_Sketchbook_WP7_Metro.pdf > > > > Another one by Rashid Ali is here: > > Windows Phone 7 UX Sketch Templates > > http://blog.merrycode.com/windows-phone-7-ux-sketch-templates/ > > > > The official guide is here: > > User Experience Design Guidelines for Windows Phone > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202915(v=VS.92).aspx > > > > Also, a single, full download of everything needed to get started with WP7+ > development is here: > > Windows Phone SDK 7.1 > > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27570 > > > > The Windows Phone SDK includes a major collection of software: > > > > * Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone > > * Windows Phone Emulator > > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Assemblies > > * Silverlight 4 SDK and DRT > > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Extensions for XNA Game Studio 4.0 > > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone 7 > > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone OS 7.1 > > * WCF Data Services Client for Window Phone > > * Microsoft Advertising SDK for Windows Phone > > > > Please note the upscaled system requirements. No WinXP here, and DirectX 9 > is an absolute minimum (DirectX 10 is needed for games). The 3 GB is a minimum > too, as the Windows Phone Emulator (which on-screen mimics a physical phone) > alone eats a whopping 800 MB. > > > > Note that the Ultimate ($)version of Expression Blend does feature > SketchFlow to create sketches on screen: > > > > > http://blogs.microsoft.nl/blogs/ux/archive/2011/06/16/sketchflow-for-windows-phone-the-real-one.aspx > > > > As for the Northwind.Net porting to WP7, I'll have to think about it. Some > challenge - both for the UI design as well as the database connection. Not the > first project to work with for me. > > > > Finally, don't forget the free 1000-page Microsoft Press ebook: Programming > Windows Phone 7: > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24519 > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> > > Hi All -- > > > > FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. > > > > First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) > > > > I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something > useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. > > > > One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how > well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how smooth > his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) > > > > And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this > device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself > comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but with > Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even using one > hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - the thumb > one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! > > > > I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse > Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! > > > > Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net > project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows Phone > 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a project > with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri Dec 9 13:14:34 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 11:14:34 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9FF29215-68B6-4AE3-979E-38103904348A@phulse.com> There are emulators for all platforms - android, iphone, blackberry and windows phone. Very handy when you want to experiment with a platform that you do not own or is new to you. - Hans Sent from my iPhone On 2011-12-09, at 8:18 AM, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > Hi Arthur > > You can fake it - actually are expected to do so during development - using the Windows Phone 7 Emulator (from the free SDK) which on-screen mimics most things. It requires 800 MB of ram and DirectX 10 graphics minimum. > > /gustav > > >>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 09-12-2011 17:06 >>> > Being unable to afford a Win7 phone, is that an impediment to development, > or can I fake it using the IDE? > > Arthur > > On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > >> Hi Shamil >> >> Yes, I've even signed up at the App Hub: >> >> http://create.msdn.com/en-US/home/about/developer_registration_walkthrough >> >> as we received a one-year subscription in favour of the registration fee >> (only ~USD18.00). >> >> Also, I learned that more attention should be payed to Microsoft >> Expression Blend. This is an amazing design environment capable of all >> sorts of web-centric graphics, including animations, and with a amazing >> Windows Phone graphics designer and emulator featuring drag-n-drop design >> of many things with automatic sync to and from a code window as well. You >> have to work with it to believe it. Requires DirectX 10 minimum. >> >> It contains some additional tools/controls too, and I did see special >> controls like the one for the alarm selector, but I can't remember the name >> of the dlls. >> >> /gustav > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Dec 9 14:50:25 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 00:50:25 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arthur -- You can emulate WinPhone 7 http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff402563(v=vs.92).aspx... Thank you. -- Shamil 09 ??????? 2011, 20:07 ?? Arthur Fuller : > Being unable to afford a Win7 phone, is that an impediment to development, > or can I fake it using the IDE? > > Arthur > > On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi Shamil > > > > Yes, I've even signed up at the App Hub: > > > > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/home/about/developer_registration_walkthrough > > > > as we received a one-year subscription in favour of the registration fee > > (only ~USD18.00). > > > > Also, I learned that more attention should be payed to Microsoft > > Expression Blend. This is an amazing design environment capable of all > > sorts of web-centric graphics, including animations, and with a amazing > > Windows Phone graphics designer and emulator featuring drag-n-drop design > > of many things with automatic sync to and from a code window as well. You > > have to work with it to believe it. Requires DirectX 10 minimum. > > > > It contains some additional tools/controls too, and I did see special > > controls like the one for the alarm selector, but I can't remember the name > > of the dlls. > > > > /gustav > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From gustav at cactus.dk Sun Dec 11 04:45:04 2011 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 11:45:04 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil et al Did you enjoy the footage of the launch in London on Nov. 28th of your Lumia 800 phone? One of the most ambitious projection events ever made using 16 high-power cinema video projectors to light up the 120 m tall Millbank Tower from a 300 meters distance at the other side of the river Thems - with state of the art 3D graphics joined by live music performed by DeadMau5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX2Gd-kqV5s Some background here: http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/11/29/nokia-brings-down-the-hua5-with-deadmau5/ and in the obtuse teaser video (watch closely for details): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlr6tXi7LoU /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> Hi All -- FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun Dec 11 11:08:08 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 21:08:08 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- No, I didn't. I just wanted to get WP 7.5 from Nokia as I recently have had issues with rather simple smart-phone form Samsung and I have never had any issues with Nokia phones. But I currently suppose I did make my purchase in a hurry - I didn't evaluate all the available/soon to be available options - Samsung OMNIA 7 have just been released and it's 1/3 less expensive. And I have got purchased Samsung Fit (with Android) to my kid before I have got my Nokia Lumia 800, and I must admit that Samsung Fit "toy", which is only 1/3 price of Nokia Lumia 800 impresses me and it has some features (camera, free games, even keyboard) which do outperform/look more useful/user-friendly IMO/come free comparing to my Nokia Lumia 800... Anyway, I'm "bound" to MS and so I have to adapt to what I have got :) This WP7 "Metro" (?) interface usability is questionable for me currently, and WP7 AMOLED surface sensibility is too sensible IMO - is there any way to make it less sensible till I'll get adapted to it? :) That promise to be very interesting how MS with their mobile phones manufacturing partners will get their current OS, device and its interface evolved in a more user-friendly thing as e.g. my kid's Samsung Fit with Android is now... Thank you. -- Shamil 11 ??????? 2011, 14:41 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil et al > > Did you enjoy the footage of the launch in London on Nov. 28th of your Lumia 800 phone? One of the most ambitious projection events ever made using 16 high-power cinema video projectors to light up the 120 m tall Millbank Tower from a 300 meters distance at the other side of the river Thems - with state of the art 3D graphics joined by live music performed by DeadMau5: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX2Gd-kqV5s > > Some background here: > http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/11/29/nokia-brings-down-the-hua5-with-deadmau5/ > > and in the obtuse teaser video (watch closely for details): > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlr6tXi7LoU > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> > Hi All -- > > FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From gustav at cactus.dk Sun Dec 11 11:44:50 2011 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 18:44:50 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil That's how it is. New top-level models are always quite expensive - so was my Omnia7 a year ago, today it's an "old" model more moderately priced. I don't know of a way to tighten the sensibility - you may need to join one of the hacker/flashing-forums to gain knowledge, for example: http://forum.xda-developers.com/ /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 11-12-2011 18:08 >>> Hi Gustav -- No, I didn't. I just wanted to get WP 7.5 from Nokia as I recently have had issues with rather simple smart-phone form Samsung and I have never had any issues with Nokia phones. But I currently suppose I did make my purchase in a hurry - I didn't evaluate all the available/soon to be available options - Samsung OMNIA 7 have just been released and it's 1/3 less expensive. And I have got purchased Samsung Fit (with Android) to my kid before I have got my Nokia Lumia 800, and I must admit that Samsung Fit "toy", which is only 1/3 price of Nokia Lumia 800 impresses me and it has some features (camera, free games, even keyboard) which do outperform/look more useful/user-friendly IMO/come free comparing to my Nokia Lumia 800... Anyway, I'm "bound" to MS and so I have to adapt to what I have got :) This WP7 "Metro" (?) interface usability is questionable for me currently, and WP7 AMOLED surface sensibility is too sensible IMO - is there any way to make it less sensible till I'll get adapted to it? :) That promise to be very interesting how MS with their mobile phones manufacturing partners will get their current OS, device and its interface evolved in a more user-friendly thing as e.g. my kid's Samsung Fit with Android is now... Thank you. -- Shamil 11 ??????? 2011, 14:41 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil et al > > Did you enjoy the footage of the launch in London on Nov. 28th of your Lumia 800 phone? One of the most ambitious projection events ever made using 16 high-power cinema video projectors to light up the 120 m tall Millbank Tower from a 300 meters distance at the other side of the river Thems - with state of the art 3D graphics joined by live music performed by DeadMau5: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX2Gd-kqV5s > > Some background here: > http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/11/29/nokia-brings-down-the-hua5-with-deadmau5/ > > and in the obtuse teaser video (watch closely for details): > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlr6tXi7LoU > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> > Hi All -- > > FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 14:07:09 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 15:07:09 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Control tab order in C# Message-ID: I'm just starting out, so forgive the simple question. How do I control the tab order of a collection of textBoxes within a given Windows form? TIA, Arthur -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun Dec 11 14:41:17 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 00:41:17 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Control_tab_order_in_C=23?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arthur -- With Windows form opened in design mode IDE menu entry View -> Tab Order toggles tab order setting mode - when it's 'On' you'll see the current tab order. To change tab order just click on controls in the the sequence you wanted them to be "tab ordered". Thank you. -- Shamil 12 ??????? 2011, 00:07 ?? Arthur Fuller : > I'm just starting out, so forgive the simple question. How do I control the > tab order of a collection of textBoxes within a given Windows form? > > TIA, > Arthur > > -- > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > but it's the emptiness > that makes a wheel work > -- from the Daodejing > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 07:13:00 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 08:13:00 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Control tab order in C# In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's where I expected to find it, but I don't see it there. I'm using VC# 2010 Express. Maybe it's not in that version? A. On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi Arthur -- > > With Windows form opened in design mode IDE menu entry > > View -> Tab Order > > toggles tab order setting mode - when it's 'On' you'll see the current tab > order. > To change tab order just click on controls in the the sequence you wanted > them to be "tab ordered". > > From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Mon Dec 12 08:53:28 2011 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:53:28 +0000 Subject: [dba-VB] Control tab order in C# In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you mean the tab order of a field on a form, same as usual in my version I have just installed at home, I created a form placed a textbox on t, right click, properties and you can change the tab order number there, just above the tab stop being true or false. On 12 December 2011 13:13, Arthur Fuller wrote: > That's where I expected to find it, but I don't see it there. I'm using VC# > 2010 Express. Maybe it's not in that version? > A. > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil >wrote: > > > Hi Arthur -- > > > > With Windows form opened in design mode IDE menu entry > > > > View -> Tab Order > > > > toggles tab order setting mode - when it's 'On' you'll see the current > tab > > order. > > To change tab order just click on controls in the the sequence you wanted > > them to be "tab ordered". > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 10:40:21 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:40:21 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Control tab order in C# In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ah! I'll try that in a moment. I was looking on the View menu as in Access. Thanks. Arthur On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Paul Hartland wrote: > If you mean the tab order of a field on a form, same as usual in my version > I have just installed at home, I created a form placed a textbox on t, > right click, properties and you can change the tab order number there, > just above the tab stop being true or false. > > From marklbreen at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 16:54:32 2011 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 22:54:32 +0000 Subject: [dba-VB] How to problematically (or by other automation) control an ActiveX control in IE Message-ID: Hello All, I arrived into a customer today with the intention of preparing for a project to automate a process for placing orders in an online database. The process today is that the user sits for four hours and copy and pastes from Excel into a browser. I was hoping to use Selenium to automate that. However, I was disappointed to note that the website is actually an ActiveX control running in IE. That leaves me with options such as a) using other macro software, attempt to automate the process b) find out how to programatically manipulate an ActiveX c) some other option not thought of yet. I am asking the list whether you have any advice to give? If this ActiveX has been installed on the PC and runs well, how difficult would it be to execute all the functionality it offers? I may have no documentation. Does my question even make sense? Your advice, as always, is appreciated. thanks Mark PS, Happy Birthday to Rocky From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Dec 12 17:27:08 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:27:08 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] How to problematically (or by other automation) control an ActiveX control in IE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EE68DCC.24699.DD6B17B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Two approaches which I would use in this situation: 1. Put Wireshark or similar on the PC and monitor the HTTP(S?) traffic when orders are being placed with the current system. Then you'll know exactly what needs to be sent to the online application and what responses it generates. Having done that, decide if it feasible to write another application to send and receive the same HTTP(S?) traffic. (Hint PowerBASIC is great for that sort of thing ) If that it is not feasible: - 2. Write an AutoIt application to extract the data from the spreadsheet and feed it to the ActiveX screen. -- Stuart On 12 Dec 2011 at 22:54, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello All, > > I arrived into a customer today with the intention of preparing for a > project to automate a process for placing orders in an online database. > > The process today is that the user sits for four hours and copy and pastes > from Excel into a browser. I was hoping to use Selenium to automate that. > > However, I was disappointed to note that the website is actually an ActiveX > control running in IE. > > That leaves me with options such as > > a) using other macro software, attempt to automate the process > b) find out how to programatically manipulate an ActiveX > c) some other option not thought of yet. > > I am asking the list whether you have any advice to give? If this ActiveX > has been installed on the PC and runs well, how difficult would it be to > execute all the functionality it offers? I may have no documentation. > > Does my question even make sense? > > Your advice, as always, is appreciated. > > thanks > > Mark > > PS, Happy Birthday to Rocky > _______________________________________________ > dba-SQLServer mailing list > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From fhtapia at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 12:58:06 2011 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:58:06 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] [dba-SQLServer] How to problematically (or by other automation) control an ActiveX control in IE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: First, Happy belated birthday Rocky! Second, Does the customer have control of the online database? if so the automation could just be made at the Excel spreadsheet to push out to the online db. right? if it's a 3rd party database, then automation might just be key, take a look at http://www.autohotkey.com/ we use it here to help control our touchscreen kiosk. -Francisco http://bit.ly/sqlthis | Tsql and More... On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 14:54, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello All, > > I arrived into a customer today with the intention of preparing for a > project to automate a process for placing orders in an online database. > > The process today is that the user sits for four hours and copy and pastes > from Excel into a browser. I was hoping to use Selenium to automate that. > > However, I was disappointed to note that the website is actually an ActiveX > control running in IE. > > That leaves me with options such as > > a) using other macro software, attempt to automate the process > b) find out how to programatically manipulate an ActiveX > c) some other option not thought of yet. > > I am asking the list whether you have any advice to give? If this ActiveX > has been installed on the PC and runs well, how difficult would it be to > execute all the functionality it offers? I may have no documentation. > > Does my question even make sense? > > Your advice, as always, is appreciated. > > thanks > > Mark > > PS, Happy Birthday to Rocky > _______________________________________________ > dba-SQLServer mailing list > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From fhtapia at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 13:48:34 2011 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:48:34 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] Sql Server 2008 VTF and SQL CLR Message-ID: have any of you worked with Table Valued Functions yet? I know how to create a SQL value table function in pure TSQL, but getting one to work that's built off of SQL CLR is something new entirely to me :phew: My sample here is simple, but the idea is that I'm going to be calling a webservice to collect some data. I'd like to have at least a two column table returned so that I can create labels or maybe a multi-column with the appropriate column name. here is my working code from c# and this does yield me a working returned table. As always your help is appreciated! [Microsoft.SqlServer.Server.SqlFunction(FillRowMethodName = "getFillRow", TableDefinition = "Field1 nvarchar(20)")] public static IEnumerable fngetTEST(string strSomeInput) { ArrayList myList = new ArrayList(); myList.Add("test1"); myList.Add("test2"); return new ArrayList(myList); } private static void getFillRow(object obj, out SqlString strField1 ) { strField1 = Convert.ToString(obj); } -Francisco http://bit.ly/sqlthis | Tsql and More... From fhtapia at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 18:38:03 2011 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 16:38:03 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] Sql Server 2008 VTF and SQL CLR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: this works now... working demo code: private class myRows { public SqlInt32 PKID; public SqlString strValue; public myRows(SqlInt32 pkid, SqlString strvalue) { PKID = pkid; strValue = strvalue; } } [Microsoft.SqlServer.Server.SqlFunction(FillRowMethodName = "getFillRow", TableDefinition = "pkid int,Field1 nvarchar(20)")] public static IEnumerable fngetTEST(string strSomeInput) { ArrayList myArray = new ArrayList(); myArray.Add(new myRows(0, "Field1")); myArray.Add(new myRows(1, "Field2")); myArray.Add(new myRows(2, "Field3")); myArray.Add(new myRows(3, "Field4")); return new ArrayList(myArray); } private static void getFillRow( object arrayObj, out SqlInt32 intPKID, out SqlString strField1 ) { myRows MyRows = (myRows)arrayObj; intPKID = MyRows.PKID; strField1 = MyRows.strValue; } -Francisco http://bit.ly/sqlthis | Tsql and More... On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 11:48, Francisco Tapia wrote: > have any of you worked with Table Valued Functions yet? I know how to > create a SQL value table function in pure TSQL, but getting one to work > that's built off of SQL CLR is something new entirely to me :phew: My > sample here is simple, but the idea is that I'm going to be calling a > webservice to collect some data. I'd like to have at least a two column > table returned so that I can create labels or maybe a multi-column with the > appropriate column name. > > here is my working code from c# and this does yield me a working returned > table. > > As always your help is appreciated! > > [Microsoft.SqlServer.Server.SqlFunction(FillRowMethodName = "getFillRow", > TableDefinition = "Field1 nvarchar(20)")] > public static IEnumerable fngetTEST(string strSomeInput) > { > ArrayList myList = new ArrayList(); > myList.Add("test1"); > myList.Add("test2"); > return new ArrayList(myList); > } > private static void getFillRow(object obj, > out SqlString strField1 > > ) > { > strField1 = Convert.ToString(obj); > } > > > -Francisco > http://bit.ly/sqlthis | Tsql and More... > > > > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sat Dec 17 12:28:18 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 22:28:18 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Sql_Server_2008_VTF_and_SQL_CLR?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Francisco -- Thank you for your sample code. I will put it in my code snippets. -- Shamil 17 ??????? 2011, 04:39 ?? Francisco Tapia : > this works now... > > working demo code: > > private class myRows > { > public SqlInt32 PKID; > public SqlString strValue; > > public myRows(SqlInt32 pkid, SqlString strvalue) > { > PKID = pkid; > strValue = strvalue; > } > } > [Microsoft.SqlServer.Server.SqlFunction(FillRowMethodName = > "getFillRow", > TableDefinition = "pkid int,Field1 nvarchar(20)")] > public static IEnumerable fngetTEST(string strSomeInput) > { > > ArrayList myArray = new ArrayList(); > > myArray.Add(new myRows(0, "Field1")); > myArray.Add(new myRows(1, "Field2")); > myArray.Add(new myRows(2, "Field3")); > myArray.Add(new myRows(3, "Field4")); > > return new ArrayList(myArray); > > } > private static void getFillRow( > object arrayObj, > out SqlInt32 intPKID, > out SqlString strField1 > ) > { > myRows MyRows = (myRows)arrayObj; > intPKID = MyRows.PKID; > strField1 = MyRows.strValue; > > } > > -Francisco > http://bit.ly/sqlthis | Tsql and More... > > > On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 11:48, Francisco Tapia wrote: > > > have any of you worked with Table Valued Functions yet? I know how to > > create a SQL value table function in pure TSQL, but getting one to work > > that's built off of SQL CLR is something new entirely to me :phew: My > > sample here is simple, but the idea is that I'm going to be calling a > > webservice to collect some data. I'd like to have at least a two column > > table returned so that I can create labels or maybe a multi-column with the > > appropriate column name. > > > > here is my working code from c# and this does yield me a working returned > > table. > > > > As always your help is appreciated! > > > > [Microsoft.SqlServer.Server.SqlFunction(FillRowMethodName = "getFillRow", > > TableDefinition = "Field1 nvarchar(20)")] > > public static IEnumerable fngetTEST(string strSomeInput) > > { > > ArrayList myList = new ArrayList(); > > myList.Add("test1"); > > myList.Add("test2"); > > return new ArrayList(myList); > > } > > private static void getFillRow(object obj, > > out SqlString strField1 > > > > ) > > { > > strField1 = Convert.ToString(obj); > > } > > > > > > -Francisco > > http://bit.ly/sqlthis | Tsql and More... > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From gustav at cactus.dk Sun Dec 18 07:25:34 2011 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 14:25:34 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil Finally, today I installed the latest version 7.5 Mango on our phones. Looks exiting. Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time. One, however, I've missed - a QR code reader. /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 03-12-2011 00:42 >>> Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your notes and links - I have got a few other ones (see P.S.), which allowed me to start WP7 test development I have already got all the development stuff installed and I can create WP7 solutions, build and run them in emulation mode on my PC... So we are just two here - happy owners on Windows Phone 7/7.5? Anybody else? BTW, I have given my WP7.5 to play to my son (he is 10+ years old) and to compare to his Samsung Fit with Android 2.x - and my son wasn't impressed by my WP at all :( (:) Yes, MS has to do quite a lot on this "frontline" to get kids and teens "back to Windows (Phones)". "Angry Birds", "Doodle Jump" and many other popular games are free for Android - very important option for kids. Even with 1-3USD price for "Angry Birds" and "Doodle Jump" MS risks to miss WP market for children... Have you got registered on Windows Phone Development Registration page http://create.msdn.com/en-US/ ? I'm considering registering there if it will give some additional information on WP7, if not, then I will stay unregistered till I'll get something ready to publish on that site. Registration is 99USD/year. I'm also interested will WP7.5 Internet Tethering work here in Russia with my mobile provider or not (http://www.winrumors.com/windows-phone-7-5-internet-tethering-feature-only-available-on-new-devices/) - they say this feature is opened/blocked by mobile operators. I have mobile USB modem which I use with my laptop when on the road or outside of my broadband Internet connection - if WP7 Internet Tethering will be available here then I will use it instead of USB modem... From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Dec 19 02:13:01 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:13:01 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? Thank you. -- Shamil 18 ??????? 2011, 17:21 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > Finally, today I installed the latest version 7.5 Mango on our phones. > Looks exiting. Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time. One, however, I've missed - a QR code reader. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 03-12-2011 00:42 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Thank you for your notes and links - I have got a few other ones (see P.S.), which allowed me to start WP7 test development > I have already got all the development stuff installed and I can create WP7 solutions, build and run them in emulation mode on my PC... > > So we are just two here - happy owners on Windows Phone 7/7.5? > Anybody else? > > BTW, I have given my WP7.5 to play to my son (he is 10+ years old) and to compare to his Samsung Fit with Android 2.x - and my son wasn't impressed by my WP at all :( (:) > Yes, MS has to do quite a lot on this "frontline" to get kids and teens "back to Windows (Phones)". > "Angry Birds", "Doodle Jump" and many other popular games are free for Android - very important option for kids. > Even with 1-3USD price for "Angry Birds" and "Doodle Jump" MS risks to miss WP market for children... > > Have you got registered on > > Windows Phone Development Registration page > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/ ? > > I'm considering registering there if it will give some additional information on WP7, if not, then I will stay unregistered till I'll get something ready to publish on that site. Registration is 99USD/year. > > I'm also interested will WP7.5 Internet Tethering work here in Russia with my mobile provider or not (http://www.winrumors.com/windows-phone-7-5-internet-tethering-feature-only-available-on-new-devices/) - they say this feature is opened/blocked by mobile operators. I have mobile USB modem which I use with my laptop when on the road or outside of my broadband Internet connection - if WP7 Internet Tethering will be available here then I will use it instead of USB modem... > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Dec 19 03:59:29 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 10:59:29 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil Yes, I found one (free) which reads common barcodes as EAN/UPC, PDF417, Datamatrix, as well as QR-codes: Leadtools Barcode Demo It works very well and is intended to demonstrate a SDK offered by Leadtools. /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 09:13 >>> Hi Gustav -- Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? Thank you. -- Shamil 18 ??????? 2011, 17:21 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > Finally, today I installed the latest version 7.5 Mango on our phones. > Looks exiting. Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time. One, however, I've missed - a QR code reader. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 03-12-2011 00:42 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Thank you for your notes and links - I have got a few other ones (see P.S.), which allowed me to start WP7 test development > I have already got all the development stuff installed and I can create WP7 solutions, build and run them in emulation mode on my PC... > > So we are just two here - happy owners on Windows Phone 7/7.5? > Anybody else? > > BTW, I have given my WP7.5 to play to my son (he is 10+ years old) and to compare to his Samsung Fit with Android 2.x - and my son wasn't impressed by my WP at all :( (:) > Yes, MS has to do quite a lot on this "frontline" to get kids and teens "back to Windows (Phones)". > "Angry Birds", "Doodle Jump" and many other popular games are free for Android - very important option for kids. > Even with 1-3USD price for "Angry Birds" and "Doodle Jump" MS risks to miss WP market for children... > > Have you got registered on > > Windows Phone Development Registration page > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/ ? > > I'm considering registering there if it will give some additional information on WP7, if not, then I will stay unregistered till I'll get something ready to publish on that site. Registration is 99USD/year. > > I'm also interested will WP7.5 Internet Tethering work here in Russia with my mobile provider or not (http://www.winrumors.com/windows-phone-7-5-internet-tethering-feature-only-available-on-new-devices/) - they say this feature is opened/blocked by mobile operators. I have mobile USB modem which I use with my laptop when on the road or outside of my broadband Internet connection - if WP7 Internet Tethering will be available here then I will use it instead of USB modem... > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Dec 19 05:40:29 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 15:40:29 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your reply. ? Did you try http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/search?q=Barcode%20Reader it returns a set of available programs Microsoft? Tag Reader Ratings: 564 Free Pic2shop Ratings: 98 Free QuickMark Ratings: 79 Free Butterkiss QR Scanner Ratings: 22 Free PSA barcode scanner Ratings: 66 $1.99 Barcode Reader Ratings: 12 Free Quick Reader Ratings: 78 Free NeoReader Ratings: 19Free QRCode ReaderRatings: 12 $0.99 Fun2D_QR_Code_ReaderRatings: 12 Free Barcode Scanner Ratings: 6 Free i-nigma Ratings: 6 Free QuickBarcodeReader No ratings Free Let's try to evaluate them although I must note I have not that much experience with working with barcodes and QR code. I'd be interested to find and purchase a program which will reliably and quickly read barcodes (and QR codes) , will send them to a web service (which can be defined in program settings) and gets back (maybe in another program which will run on WP7 in parallel) some information about a product/services, which barcode was scanned/shot by camera Thank you. -- Shamil 19 ??????? 2011, 13:55 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > Yes, I found one (free) which reads common barcodes as EAN/UPC, PDF417, Datamatrix, as well as QR-codes: > > Leadtools Barcode Demo > > It works very well and is intended to demonstrate a SDK offered by Leadtools. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 09:13 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". > And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > 18 ??????? 2011, 17:21 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > Hi Shamil > > > > Finally, today I installed the latest version 7.5 Mango on our phones. > > Looks exiting. Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time. One, however, I've missed - a QR code reader. > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 03-12-2011 00:42 >>> > > Hi Gustav -- > > > > Thank you for your notes and links - I have got a few other ones (see P.S.), which allowed me to start WP7 test development > > I have already got all the development stuff installed and I can create WP7 solutions, build and run them in emulation mode on my PC... > > > > So we are just two here - happy owners on Windows Phone 7/7.5? > > Anybody else? > > > > BTW, I have given my WP7.5 to play to my son (he is 10+ years old) and to compare to his Samsung Fit with Android 2.x - and my son wasn't impressed by my WP at all :( (:) > > Yes, MS has to do quite a lot on this "frontline" to get kids and teens "back to Windows (Phones)". > > "Angry Birds", "Doodle Jump" and many other popular games are free for Android - very important option for kids. > > Even with 1-3USD price for "Angry Birds" and "Doodle Jump" MS risks to miss WP market for children... > > > > Have you got registered on > > > > Windows Phone Development Registration page > > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/ ? > > > > I'm considering registering there if it will give some additional information on WP7, if not, then I will stay unregistered till I'll get something ready to publish on that site. Registration is 99USD/year. > > > > I'm also interested will WP7.5 Internet Tethering work here in Russia with my mobile provider or not (http://www.winrumors.com/windows-phone-7-5-internet-tethering-feature-only-available-on-new-devices/) - they say this feature is opened/blocked by mobile operators. I have mobile USB modem which I use with my laptop when on the road or outside of my broadband Internet connection - if WP7 Internet Tethering will be available here then I will use it instead of USB modem... > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Dec 19 06:15:03 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 13:15:03 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil No, I picked the Leadtools app because its description sounded trustworthy and it was free. As it proved to work clever and reliable, I haven't looked further. You click a code, a voice tells you if the app can read it, and next you are offered to search for the code if a barcode was found, or - if a QR-code - it just looks up the URL. Later research showed that they label themselves as "The World Leader in Imaging SDKs" which may not be false. I don't know, but the app works fine and, of course, uses their SDK for QR/barcode scanning. The SDK for Windows Phone is described here: http://www.leadtools.com/sdk/silverlight/windows-phone.htm Quite comprehensive and at a price ... cheapest package seems to be listed at USD 995 - well beyond my budget. For your purpose, custom programming is probably needed. I've seen some open-source projects for reading QR-codes and I guess you can find one as well for barcodes, but I haven't looked for such. /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 12:40 >>> Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your reply. ? Did you try http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/search?q=Barcode%20Reader it returns a set of available programs Microsoft? Tag Reader Ratings: 564 Free Pic2shop Ratings: 98 Free QuickMark Ratings: 79 Free Butterkiss QR Scanner Ratings: 22 Free PSA barcode scanner Ratings: 66 $1.99 Barcode Reader Ratings: 12 Free Quick Reader Ratings: 78 Free NeoReader Ratings: 19Free QRCode ReaderRatings: 12 $0.99 Fun2D_QR_Code_ReaderRatings: 12 Free Barcode Scanner Ratings: 6 Free i-nigma Ratings: 6 Free QuickBarcodeReader No ratings Free Let's try to evaluate them although I must note I have not that much experience with working with barcodes and QR code. I'd be interested to find and purchase a program which will reliably and quickly read barcodes (and QR codes) , will send them to a web service (which can be defined in program settings) and gets back (maybe in another program which will run on WP7 in parallel) some information about a product/services, which barcode was scanned/shot by camera Thank you. -- Shamil 19 ??????? 2011, 13:55 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > Yes, I found one (free) which reads common barcodes as EAN/UPC, PDF417, Datamatrix, as well as QR-codes: > > Leadtools Barcode Demo > > It works very well and is intended to demonstrate a SDK offered by Leadtools. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 09:13 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". > And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Dec 19 06:46:21 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 16:46:21 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your remark. I have got LeadTools Barcode Reader app installed on my WP7. Did you get managed to run its 'Live capture' feature? Any Barcode reading feature? Did you read comments here: http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/cbda342b-8fc5-4c9b-9063-079417a809e6 ? FYI: I have used LEADTools package for one of the applications for one of my customers. That was almost 10 years ago. And it was very impressive that times already. Yes, LEADTools should be reliablle ... and pricey. Yes, if you can find open source projects for bar code reading of QR-codes I'd be interested to look at it. Thank you. -- Shamil 19 ??????? 2011, 16:10 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > No, I picked the Leadtools app because its description sounded trustworthy and it was free. As it proved to work clever and reliable, I haven't looked further. > You click a code, a voice tells you if the app can read it, and next you are offered to search for the code if a barcode was found, or - if a QR-code - it just looks up the URL. > > Later research showed that they label themselves as "The World Leader in Imaging SDKs" which may not be false. I don't know, but the app works fine and, of course, uses their SDK for QR/barcode scanning. > > The SDK for Windows Phone is described here: > http://www.leadtools.com/sdk/silverlight/windows-phone.htm > > Quite comprehensive and at a price ... cheapest package seems to be listed at USD 995 - well beyond my budget. > > For your purpose, custom programming is probably needed. I've seen some open-source projects for reading QR-codes and I guess you can find one as well for barcodes, but I haven't looked for such. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 12:40 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Thank you for your reply. > > ? Did you try > > http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/search?q=Barcode%20Reader > > it returns a set of available programs > > Microsoft? Tag Reader Ratings: 564 Free > Pic2shop Ratings: 98 Free > QuickMark Ratings: 79 Free > Butterkiss QR Scanner Ratings: 22 Free > PSA barcode scanner Ratings: 66 $1.99 > Barcode Reader Ratings: 12 Free > Quick Reader Ratings: 78 Free > NeoReader Ratings: 19Free > QRCode ReaderRatings: 12 $0.99 > Fun2D_QR_Code_ReaderRatings: 12 Free > Barcode Scanner Ratings: 6 Free > i-nigma Ratings: 6 Free > QuickBarcodeReader No ratings Free > > Let's try to evaluate them although I must note I have not that much experience with working with barcodes and QR code. > > I'd be interested to find and purchase a program which will reliably and quickly read barcodes (and QR codes) , will send them to a web service (which can be defined in program settings) and gets back (maybe in another program which will run on WP7 in parallel) some information about a product/services, which barcode was scanned/shot by camera > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > 19 ??????? 2011, 13:55 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > Hi Shamil > > > > Yes, I found one (free) which reads common barcodes as EAN/UPC, PDF417, Datamatrix, as well as QR-codes: > > > > Leadtools Barcode Demo > > > > It works very well and is intended to demonstrate a SDK offered by Leadtools. > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 09:13 >>> > > Hi Gustav -- > > > > Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". > > And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Dec 19 07:05:07 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 17:05:07 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- Additional note: - LeadTools didn't work for me or I used it improperly, - Pic2Shop didn't work also but - i-nigma - http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/828c4e78-1d2b-4fd2-ad22-fde9c553e263 - worked well for flat surface printed barcodes and it even read bar code from a bottle of wine label... So I plan to remove LedTools and Pic2Shop and use i-nigma for technology demonstration purposes. Thank you. -- Shamil 19 ??????? 2011, 16:10 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > No, I picked the Leadtools app because its description sounded trustworthy and it was free. As it proved to work clever and reliable, I haven't looked further. > You click a code, a voice tells you if the app can read it, and next you are offered to search for the code if a barcode was found, or - if a QR-code - it just looks up the URL. > > Later research showed that they label themselves as "The World Leader in Imaging SDKs" which may not be false. I don't know, but the app works fine and, of course, uses their SDK for QR/barcode scanning. > > The SDK for Windows Phone is described here: > http://www.leadtools.com/sdk/silverlight/windows-phone.htm > > Quite comprehensive and at a price ... cheapest package seems to be listed at USD 995 - well beyond my budget. > > For your purpose, custom programming is probably needed. I've seen some open-source projects for reading QR-codes and I guess you can find one as well for barcodes, but I haven't looked for such. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 12:40 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Thank you for your reply. > > ? Did you try > > http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/search?q=Barcode%20Reader > > it returns a set of available programs > > Microsoft? Tag Reader Ratings: 564 Free > Pic2shop Ratings: 98 Free > QuickMark Ratings: 79 Free > Butterkiss QR Scanner Ratings: 22 Free > PSA barcode scanner Ratings: 66 $1.99 > Barcode Reader Ratings: 12 Free > Quick Reader Ratings: 78 Free > NeoReader Ratings: 19Free > QRCode ReaderRatings: 12 $0.99 > Fun2D_QR_Code_ReaderRatings: 12 Free > Barcode Scanner Ratings: 6 Free > i-nigma Ratings: 6 Free > QuickBarcodeReader No ratings Free > > Let's try to evaluate them although I must note I have not that much experience with working with barcodes and QR code. > > I'd be interested to find and purchase a program which will reliably and quickly read barcodes (and QR codes) , will send them to a web service (which can be defined in program settings) and gets back (maybe in another program which will run on WP7 in parallel) some information about a product/services, which barcode was scanned/shot by camera > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > 19 ??????? 2011, 13:55 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > Hi Shamil > > > > Yes, I found one (free) which reads common barcodes as EAN/UPC, PDF417, Datamatrix, as well as QR-codes: > > > > Leadtools Barcode Demo > > > > It works very well and is intended to demonstrate a SDK offered by Leadtools. > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 09:13 >>> > > Hi Gustav -- > > > > Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". > > And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Dec 19 13:14:39 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 23:14:39 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?jQuery_Mobile_1=2E0?= Message-ID: Hi All -- FYI: jQuery Mobile 1.0 http://jquerymobile.com/demos/1.0/? Thank you. -- Shamil? From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Dec 19 15:57:42 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 01:57:42 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- > Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of t Did you try to setup and use AppFlow? (free) http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/578ef361-c265-46b7-b6f4-63cbd7fbefe0 "Browse and discover apps in a new, engaging and beautiful way. AppFlow presents a unique way to explore the marketplace via its Lists, Discovery and Stats features." Thank you. -- Shamil 18 ??????? 2011, 17:21 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > Finally, today I installed the latest version 7.5 Mango on our phones. > Looks exiting. Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time. One, however, I've missed - a QR code reader. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 03-12-2011 00:42 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Thank you for your notes and links - I have got a few other ones (see P.S.), which allowed me to start WP7 test development > I have already got all the development stuff installed and I can create WP7 solutions, build and run them in emulation mode on my PC... > > So we are just two here - happy owners on Windows Phone 7/7.5? > Anybody else? > > BTW, I have given my WP7.5 to play to my son (he is 10+ years old) and to compare to his Samsung Fit with Android 2.x - and my son wasn't impressed by my WP at all :( (:) > Yes, MS has to do quite a lot on this "frontline" to get kids and teens "back to Windows (Phones)". > "Angry Birds", "Doodle Jump" and many other popular games are free for Android - very important option for kids. > Even with 1-3USD price for "Angry Birds" and "Doodle Jump" MS risks to miss WP market for children... > > Have you got registered on > > Windows Phone Development Registration page > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/ ? > > I'm considering registering there if it will give some additional information on WP7, if not, then I will stay unregistered till I'll get something ready to publish on that site. Registration is 99USD/year. > > I'm also interested will WP7.5 Internet Tethering work here in Russia with my mobile provider or not (http://www.winrumors.com/windows-phone-7-5-internet-tethering-feature-only-available-on-new-devices/) - they say this feature is opened/blocked by mobile operators. I have mobile USB modem which I use with my laptop when on the road or outside of my broadband Internet connection - if WP7 Internet Tethering will be available here then I will use it instead of USB modem... > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Mon Dec 19 23:58:43 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 21:58:43 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] jQuery Mobile 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <194C9F6A-82AC-4996-812C-5EF4EF228F11@phulse.com> I am a loyal jQuery fan, but jQuery Mobile still feels really slow compared to something like Sencha Touch. I was hoping they would have improved it significantly by now, but it appears that they just haven't been able to achieve as much as is necessary for a good, smooth experience. - Hans On 2011-12-19, at 11:14 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi All -- > > FYI: jQuery Mobile 1.0 > > http://jquerymobile.com/demos/1.0/ > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue Dec 20 00:18:06 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 10:18:06 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?jQuery_Mobile_1=2E0?= In-Reply-To: <194C9F6A-82AC-4996-812C-5EF4EF228F11@phulse.com> References: <194C9F6A-82AC-4996-812C-5EF4EF228F11@phulse.com> Message-ID: Hi Hans -- Thank you for your remark. I have tried on WP7 (Nokia Lumia 800) several jQuery Mobile demos from the link I've posted - and I have found it good, not perfect but good and smooth enough. I was unaware of Sencha Touch - I have found it now after your remark (http://www.sencha.com/products/touch) - I will check it. Although jQuery is a kind of "de-facto standard" JavaScript framework used even in ASP.NET ... Thank you. -- Shamil 20 ??????? 2011, 09:58 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : > I am a loyal jQuery fan, but jQuery Mobile still feels really slow compared to something like Sencha Touch. I was hoping they would have improved it significantly by now, but it appears that they just haven't been able to achieve as much as is necessary for a good, smooth experience. > > - Hans > > On 2011-12-19, at 11:14 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > > > Hi All -- > > > > FYI: jQuery Mobile 1.0 > > > > http://jquerymobile.com/demos/1.0/ > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Dec 20 00:38:27 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 22:38:27 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] jQuery Mobile 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <194C9F6A-82AC-4996-812C-5EF4EF228F11@phulse.com> Message-ID: <1C71E894-9B32-4DAD-9A2E-5092D5F65668@phulse.com> > Although jQuery is a kind of "de-facto standard" JavaScript framework used even in ASP.NET ? Agreed, but, in my case, I decided that I had to go with what felt like the best experience to a user. Hopefully they will get query on par with sencha touch, because, if they do, I will switch in a heartbeat. Give it a go. You will see what difference there is. - Hans On 2011-12-19, at 10:18 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi Hans -- > > Thank you for your remark. > > I have tried on WP7 (Nokia Lumia 800) several jQuery Mobile demos from the link I've posted - and I have found it good, not perfect but good and smooth enough. > > I was unaware of Sencha Touch - I have found it now after your remark (http://www.sencha.com/products/touch) - I will check it. > > Although jQuery is a kind of "de-facto standard" JavaScript framework used even in ASP.NET ... > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > 20 ??????? 2011, 09:58 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : >> I am a loyal jQuery fan, but jQuery Mobile still feels really slow compared to something like Sencha Touch. I was hoping they would have improved it significantly by now, but it appears that they just haven't been able to achieve as much as is necessary for a good, smooth experience. >> >> - Hans >> >> On 2011-12-19, at 11:14 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: >> >>> Hi All -- >>> >>> FYI: jQuery Mobile 1.0 >>> >>> http://jquerymobile.com/demos/1.0/ >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> -- Shamil >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-VB mailing list >>> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Dec 20 02:01:51 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 09:01:51 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil Thanks, i-nigma looks promising indeed. I'll check it out. Another reason to get hold on a bottle of wine ... /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 14:05 >>> Hi Gustav -- Additional note: - LeadTools didn't work for me or I used it improperly, - Pic2Shop didn't work also but - i-nigma - http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/828c4e78-1d2b-4fd2-ad22-fde9c553e263 - worked well for flat surface printed barcodes and it even read bar code from a bottle of wine label... So I plan to remove LedTools and Pic2Shop and use i-nigma for technology demonstration purposes. Thank you. -- Shamil 19 ??????? 2011, 16:10 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > No, I picked the Leadtools app because its description sounded trustworthy and it was free. As it proved to work clever and reliable, I haven't looked further. > You click a code, a voice tells you if the app can read it, and next you are offered to search for the code if a barcode was found, or - if a QR-code - it just looks up the URL. > > Later research showed that they label themselves as "The World Leader in Imaging SDKs" which may not be false. I don't know, but the app works fine and, of course, uses their SDK for QR/barcode scanning. > > The SDK for Windows Phone is described here: > http://www.leadtools.com/sdk/silverlight/windows-phone.htm > > Quite comprehensive and at a price ... cheapest package seems to be listed at USD 995 - well beyond my budget. > > For your purpose, custom programming is probably needed. I've seen some open-source projects for reading QR-codes and I guess you can find one as well for barcodes, but I haven't looked for such. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 12:40 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Thank you for your reply. > > ? Did you try > > http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/search?q=Barcode%20Reader > > it returns a set of available programs > > Microsoft? Tag Reader Ratings: 564 Free > Pic2shop Ratings: 98 Free > QuickMark Ratings: 79 Free > Butterkiss QR Scanner Ratings: 22 Free > PSA barcode scanner Ratings: 66 $1.99 > Barcode Reader Ratings: 12 Free > Quick Reader Ratings: 78 Free > NeoReader Ratings: 19Free > QRCode ReaderRatings: 12 $0.99 > Fun2D_QR_Code_ReaderRatings: 12 Free > Barcode Scanner Ratings: 6 Free > i-nigma Ratings: 6 Free > QuickBarcodeReader No ratings Free > > Let's try to evaluate them although I must note I have not that much experience with working with barcodes and QR code. > > I'd be interested to find and purchase a program which will reliably and quickly read barcodes (and QR codes) , will send them to a web service (which can be defined in program settings) and gets back (maybe in another program which will run on WP7 in parallel) some information about a product/services, which barcode was scanned/shot by camera > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > 19 ??????? 2011, 13:55 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > Hi Shamil > > > > Yes, I found one (free) which reads common barcodes as EAN/UPC, PDF417, Datamatrix, as well as QR-codes: > > > > Leadtools Barcode Demo > > > > It works very well and is intended to demonstrate a SDK offered by Leadtools. > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 09:13 >>> > > Hi Gustav -- > > > > Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". > > And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Dec 20 02:02:43 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 09:02:43 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil Thanks. No, I used the web page on my pc which allows for a better view of the screenshots. But this one looks very good if you only have the phone at hand. /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 22:57 >>> Hi Gustav -- > Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time Did you try to setup and use AppFlow? (free) http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/578ef361-c265-46b7-b6f4-63cbd7fbefe0 "Browse and discover apps in a new, engaging and beautiful way. AppFlow presents a unique way to explore the marketplace via its Lists, Discovery and Stats features." Thank you. -- Shamil From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue Dec 20 03:24:56 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:24:56 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav at all -- Have a look I have made a "micro research" on bar- and QR- code reading programs for WP7: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/BarCodeReaders.htm Yes, i-nigma is surely a "favorite toy" now but I didn't get setup a few programs mentioned in my research because they are not available on Russian market. The above page is a copy and paste from MS Excel worksheet. If you're interested in the published info please make a copy of it as I'm planning to remove this web page in a few days and probably publish a short note with this info on a Russian web site Thank you. -- Shamil 20 ??????? 2011, 11:57 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > Thanks, i-nigma looks promising indeed. I'll check it out. > Another reason to get hold on a bottle of wine ... > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 14:05 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Additional note: > > - LeadTools didn't work for me or I used it improperly, > - Pic2Shop didn't work also but > - i-nigma - http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/828c4e78-1d2b-4fd2-ad22-fde9c553e263 - worked well for flat surface printed barcodes and it even read bar code from a bottle of wine label... > > So I plan to remove LedTools and Pic2Shop and use i-nigma for technology demonstration purposes. > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > 19 ??????? 2011, 16:10 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > Hi Shamil > > > > No, I picked the Leadtools app because its description sounded trustworthy and it was free. As it proved to work clever and reliable, I haven't looked further. > > You click a code, a voice tells you if the app can read it, and next you are offered to search for the code if a barcode was found, or - if a QR-code - it just looks up the URL. > > > > Later research showed that they label themselves as "The World Leader in Imaging SDKs" which may not be false. I don't know, but the app works fine and, of course, uses their SDK for QR/barcode scanning. > > > > The SDK for Windows Phone is described here: > > http://www.leadtools.com/sdk/silverlight/windows-phone.htm > > > > Quite comprehensive and at a price ... cheapest package seems to be listed at USD 995 - well beyond my budget. > > > > For your purpose, custom programming is probably needed. I've seen some open-source projects for reading QR-codes and I guess you can find one as well for barcodes, but I haven't looked for such. > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 12:40 >>> > > Hi Gustav -- > > > > Thank you for your reply. > > > > ? Did you try > > > > http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/search?q=Barcode%20Reader > > > > it returns a set of available programs > > > > Microsoft? Tag Reader Ratings: 564 Free > > Pic2shop Ratings: 98 Free > > QuickMark Ratings: 79 Free > > Butterkiss QR Scanner Ratings: 22 Free > > PSA barcode scanner Ratings: 66 $1.99 > > Barcode Reader Ratings: 12 Free > > Quick Reader Ratings: 78 Free > > NeoReader Ratings: 19Free > > QRCode ReaderRatings: 12 $0.99 > > Fun2D_QR_Code_ReaderRatings: 12 Free > > Barcode Scanner Ratings: 6 Free > > i-nigma Ratings: 6 Free > > QuickBarcodeReader No ratings Free > > > > Let's try to evaluate them although I must note I have not that much experience with working with barcodes and QR code. > > > > I'd be interested to find and purchase a program which will reliably and quickly read barcodes (and QR codes) , will send them to a web service (which can be defined in program settings) and gets back (maybe in another program which will run on WP7 in parallel) some information about a product/services, which barcode was scanned/shot by camera > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > > > 19 ??????? 2011, 13:55 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > > Hi Shamil > > > > > > Yes, I found one (free) which reads common barcodes as EAN/UPC, PDF417, Datamatrix, as well as QR-codes: > > > > > > Leadtools Barcode Demo > > > > > > It works very well and is intended to demonstrate a SDK offered by Leadtools. > > > > > > /gustav > > > > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 09:13 >>> > > > Hi Gustav -- > > > > > > Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". > > > And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > -- Shamil > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Dec 20 04:34:30 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 11:34:30 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil Thanks a lot! I'll download the worksheet. As I've only tested Barcode Reader, I can add that it does read QR-code and it - at least - does work under some conditions. /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 20-12-2011 10:24 >>> Hi Gustav at all -- Have a look I have made a "micro research" on bar- and QR- code reading programs for WP7: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/BarCodeReaders.htm Yes, i-nigma is surely a "favorite toy" now but I didn't get setup a few programs mentioned in my research because they are not available on Russian market. The above page is a copy and paste from MS Excel worksheet. If you're interested in the published info please make a copy of it as I'm planning to remove this web page in a few days and probably publish a short note with this info on a Russian web site Thank you. -- Shamil From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue Dec 20 05:23:16 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 15:23:16 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?jQuery_Mobile_1=2E0?= In-Reply-To: <1C71E894-9B32-4DAD-9A2E-5092D5F65668@phulse.com> References: <1C71E894-9B32-4DAD-9A2E-5092D5F65668@phulse.com> Message-ID: Hi Hans -- I have tried to run http://dev.sencha.com/deploy/touch/examples/kitchensink/ on WP NOKIA Lumia 800 - it didn't work at all - "white screen" - completely white ans nothing else. I have then tried the same sample/demo on my kid Samsung Galaxy Fit (Android 2.x) and it worked well. Although: - on NOKIA Lumia 800 the above site root (www.sencha.com) is getting opened in mobile mode and - on Samsung Galaxy Fit in "normal browser mode" I've saved link to Sencha Touch to look at it from time to time to see when it will get working well on WP7 - it looks like the problem is with WP7's IE not (fully?) supporting HTML5? Thank you. -- Shamil 20 ??????? 2011, 10:38 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : > > > Although jQuery is a kind of "de-facto standard" JavaScript framework used even in ASP.NET ? > > Agreed, but, in my case, I decided that I had to go with what felt like the best experience to a user. Hopefully they will get query on par with sencha touch, because, if they do, I will switch in a heartbeat. Give it a go. You will see what difference there is. > > - Hans > > On 2011-12-19, at 10:18 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > > > Hi Hans -- > > > > Thank you for your remark. > > > > I have tried on WP7 (Nokia Lumia 800) several jQuery Mobile demos from the link I've posted - and I have found it good, not perfect but good and smooth enough. > > > > I was unaware of Sencha Touch - I have found it now after your remark (http://www.sencha.com/products/touch) - I will check it. > > > > Although jQuery is a kind of "de-facto standard" JavaScript framework used even in ASP.NET ... > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > > > > > 20 ??????? 2011, 09:58 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : > >> I am a loyal jQuery fan, but jQuery Mobile still feels really slow compared to something like Sencha Touch. I was hoping they would have improved it significantly by now, but it appears that they just haven't been able to achieve as much as is necessary for a good, smooth experience. > >> > >> - Hans > >> > >> On 2011-12-19, at 11:14 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > >> > >>> Hi All -- > >>> > >>> FYI: jQuery Mobile 1.0 > >>> > >>> http://jquerymobile.com/demos/1.0/ > >>> > >>> Thank you. > >>> > >>> -- Shamil > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> dba-VB mailing list > >>> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > >>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >>> > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Dec 20 09:41:57 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 07:41:57 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] jQuery Mobile 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1C71E894-9B32-4DAD-9A2E-5092D5F65668@phulse.com> Message-ID: <590AB593-2804-4380-A3E3-01A55C8EBC14@phulse.com> Hi Shamil, Oh dear. Sorry for recommending something that doesn't even work for you. :) To be honest, this is the first time anyone I know has tested Sencha Touch on a WP7 phone (you're the only person I know who has a WP7 phone), so it didn't occur to me whether ST 1.x supported that platform. I looked into it briefly now and my understanding is that WP7 support has not been there yet, due to the fact that it was based on IE7/8. However, with Sencha Touch 2.0 being released imminently and WP7 adopting IE9, that will change (or perhaps already has?). That is as much as I know. I suppose I should mention that ST is different to jQuery (Mobile) in the sense that you build things as an HTML5/CSS3 application in ST (using ExtJS as the equivalent of jQuery), rather than cobbling things together manually like you do in jQuery, so that probably explains why their WP7 support needs to be worked on. - Hans On 2011-12-20, at 3:23 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi Hans -- > > I have tried to run > > http://dev.sencha.com/deploy/touch/examples/kitchensink/ > > on WP NOKIA Lumia 800 - it didn't work at all - "white screen" - completely white ans nothing else. > > I have then tried the same sample/demo on my kid Samsung Galaxy Fit (Android 2.x) and it worked well. > > Although: > > - on NOKIA Lumia 800 the above site root (www.sencha.com) is getting opened in mobile mode and > - on Samsung Galaxy Fit in "normal browser mode" > > I've saved link to Sencha Touch to look at it from time to time to see when it will get working well on WP7 - it looks like the problem is with WP7's IE not (fully?) supporting HTML5? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > 20 ??????? 2011, 10:38 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : >> >>> Although jQuery is a kind of "de-facto standard" JavaScript framework used even in ASP.NET ? >> >> Agreed, but, in my case, I decided that I had to go with what felt like the best experience to a user. Hopefully they will get query on par with sencha touch, because, if they do, I will switch in a heartbeat. Give it a go. You will see what difference there is. >> >> - Hans >> >> On 2011-12-19, at 10:18 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: >> >>> Hi Hans -- >>> >>> Thank you for your remark. >>> >>> I have tried on WP7 (Nokia Lumia 800) several jQuery Mobile demos from the link I've posted - and I have found it good, not perfect but good and smooth enough. >>> >>> I was unaware of Sencha Touch - I have found it now after your remark (http://www.sencha.com/products/touch) - I will check it. >>> >>> Although jQuery is a kind of "de-facto standard" JavaScript framework used even in ASP.NET ... >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> -- Shamil >>> >>> >>> 20 ??????? 2011, 09:58 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : >>>> I am a loyal jQuery fan, but jQuery Mobile still feels really slow compared to something like Sencha Touch. I was hoping they would have improved it significantly by now, but it appears that they just haven't been able to achieve as much as is necessary for a good, smooth experience. >>>> >>>> - Hans >>>> >>>> On 2011-12-19, at 11:14 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi All -- >>>>> >>>>> FYI: jQuery Mobile 1.0 >>>>> >>>>> http://jquerymobile.com/demos/1.0/ >>>>> >>>>> Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> -- Shamil >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> dba-VB mailing list >>>>> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >>>>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-VB mailing list >>> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Dec 28 14:20:35 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 15:20:35 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] but does it run... Message-ID: <4EFB7A13.8040003@colbyconsulting.com> http://www.raspberrypi.org/ They are apparently close to production. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Dec 28 14:36:42 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 12:36:42 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] but does it run... In-Reply-To: <4EFB7A13.8040003@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EFB7A13.8040003@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4BF6A99969CC41F4A00FB89BE229A109@creativesystemdesigns.com> By all comments it does in fact run and run well. Nothing fancy for $25 but it works. :-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:21 PM To: Paul Hollar; VBA; Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [dba-VB] but does it run... http://www.raspberrypi.org/ They are apparently close to production. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Dec 28 14:42:55 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 12:42:55 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] So what is super hot in the tech world? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <049D77D9530A404F9C1B51EBD72D5BE5@creativesystemdesigns.com> You have to look no further than the NoSQL super database called Hadoop. Development in this product has been drawing the best and the brightest from all over the computer world. With databases now exceeded 100 million records the SQL structured DBs no longer functions well in this new environment. http://tinyurl.com/d28d3r6 Jim From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Dec 28 15:55:19 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:55:19 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] So what is super hot in the tech world? In-Reply-To: <049D77D9530A404F9C1B51EBD72D5BE5@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: , <049D77D9530A404F9C1B51EBD72D5BE5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4EFB9047.14178.47C997D4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Yada, yada, yada. Still evangelising I see :-) 100 million records is not per se a problem for a SQL structured DB. No matter how many times people claim that it is, NoSQL is NOT a replacement for SQL, NoSQL is just a group of solutions to manage types of data that SQL is not ideal for. You might just as well say: With images exceeding several megabytes in size, NoAccess is much better than Access for manipulating graphic data. Take for instance the NoAcess super application called PhotoShop. -- Stuart On 28 Dec 2011 at 12:42, Jim Lawrence wrote: > You have to look no further than the NoSQL super database called Hadoop. > Development in this product has been drawing the best and the brightest from > all over the computer world. > > With databases now exceeded 100 million records the SQL structured DBs no > longer functions well in this new environment. > > http://tinyurl.com/d28d3r6 > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Dec 28 16:20:26 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 14:20:26 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] So what is super hot in the tech world? In-Reply-To: <4EFB9047.14178.47C997D4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <049D77D9530A404F9C1B51EBD72D5BE5@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4EFB9047.14178.47C997D4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <2033A8BCA1D44F779154FFE8778189B1@creativesystemdesigns.com> It does not matter what you or I think, it what is important and real. That what is super hot in the computer business is Hadoop. I may never use the product other than to play with but we have to keep abreast on the market trends. The difference between NoSQL and SQL databases is like Mya and Photoshop...one processes thousands of images and one, just one image at a time. We may never need anything more than Photoshop but for those in the image and movie business, Mya is one of the products of choice. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 1:55 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'; 'Discussion concerning MS SQL Server' Subject: Re: [dba-VB] So what is super hot in the tech world? Yada, yada, yada. Still evangelising I see :-) 100 million records is not per se a problem for a SQL structured DB. No matter how many times people claim that it is, NoSQL is NOT a replacement for SQL, NoSQL is just a group of solutions to manage types of data that SQL is not ideal for. You might just as well say: With images exceeding several megabytes in size, NoAccess is much better than Access for manipulating graphic data. Take for instance the NoAcess super application called PhotoShop. -- Stuart On 28 Dec 2011 at 12:42, Jim Lawrence wrote: > You have to look no further than the NoSQL super database called Hadoop. > Development in this product has been drawing the best and the brightest from > all over the computer world. > > With databases now exceeded 100 million records the SQL structured DBs no > longer functions well in this new environment. > > http://tinyurl.com/d28d3r6 > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com Thu Dec 29 10:32:09 2011 From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 11:32:09 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Administrivia - List Archives Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I just wanted to let you all know that the archives are back online after a lengthy delay. If you notice ANYTHING unusual about the archives, PLEASE let me know, listmaster at databaseadvisors.com or carbonnb at gmail.com. The search functionality should be up and running again very shortly too. I want to apologize for having the archives off-line for such a long time, but, unfortunately, life got in the way. :( I hope you all have a wonderful and prosperous New Year! -- Bryan Carbonnell - listmaster at databaseadvisors.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Dec 29 16:08:11 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 17:08:11 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] C# Newbie Question Message-ID: I've got a simple little RichTextEditor program working in C#, thanks to a book I'm working through. But the code I have makes a simple assumption, a hard-coded filename to load and read back. That works ok, as do all the buttons (Bold, etc.), but I want to move this up a notch and call the FileSave and FileOpen stuff rather than use the hard-coded filename. Can anyone help me do this? I want the Open button to invoke the standard dialog and the Save button to invoke the standard FileSaveAs dialog. I'm guessing this can be done in a line or two, and I know how to do it from Access, but I don't have any idea how to do it from C#. Any advice most gratefully appreciated. Thanks and to one and all, Happy New Year! You can deduce how exciting is my life, by the fact that I'm doing this as opposed to roasting chestnuts on a fire with a lovely loved one :) -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. From michael at ddisolutions.com.au Thu Dec 29 18:38:47 2011 From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 11:38:47 +1100 Subject: [dba-VB] C# Newbie Question References: Message-ID: <99266C61B516644D9727F983FAFAB46511B9D2@remote.ddisolutions.com.au> Hi Arthur, Doesn't get much more newbie than this ;-) In the old VB world I assume that like me we all had a dialog class that we reused from project to project. That class would have included various win32 api calls. The dotnet framework libraries are huge and it will take time to suss out where the objects you need are. MSDN and help are pretty good these days, I recommend browsing the contents and reading what seems interesting or useful. VS2010 comes with a number of standard dialogs in the toolbox by default, color, browser, font, open and save. You have 2 options. Drag the control onto a form or declare an instance in your code. Drag onto form and set properties in the property window. Call the openFileDialog1.ShowDialog ( ) method and you are in business. If you declare an instance in your code you just need to make sure you ref 'using System.Windows.Forms;' Then create the dialog using ' private OpenFileDialog dlg = new OpenFileDialog ( );' or however you want to create and scope the object. HTH Michael M Subject: [dba-VB] C# Newbie Question I've got a simple little RichTextEditor program working in C#, thanks to a book I'm working through. But the code I have makes a simple assumption, a hard-coded filename to load and read back. That works ok, as do all the buttons (Bold, etc.), but I want to move this up a notch and call the FileSave and FileOpen stuff rather than use the hard-coded filename. Can anyone help me do this? I want the Open button to invoke the standard dialog and the Save button to invoke the standard FileSaveAs dialog. I'm guessing this can be done in a line or two, and I know how to do it from Access, but I don't have any idea how to do it from C#. Any advice most gratefully appreciated. Thanks and to one and all, Happy New Year! You can deduce how exciting is my life, by the fact that I'm doing this as opposed to roasting chestnuts on a fire with a lovely loved one :) -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1416 / Virus Database: 2109/4110 - Release Date: 12/29/11 From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 30 02:45:36 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 09:45:36 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] C# Newbie Question Message-ID: Hi Arthur A coding life is a happy life! /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 29-12-2011 23:08 >>> I've got a simple little RichTextEditor program working in C#, thanks to a book I'm working through. But the code I have makes a simple assumption, a hard-coded filename to load and read back. That works ok, as do all the buttons (Bold, etc.), but I want to move this up a notch and call the FileSave and FileOpen stuff rather than use the hard-coded filename. Can anyone help me do this? I want the Open button to invoke the standard dialog and the Save button to invoke the standard FileSaveAs dialog. I'm guessing this can be done in a line or two, and I know how to do it from Access, but I don't have any idea how to do it from C#. Any advice most gratefully appreciated. Thanks and to one and all, Happy New Year! You can deduce how exciting is my life, by the fact that I'm doing this as opposed to roasting chestnuts on a fire with a lovely loved one :) -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. From michael at ddisolutions.com.au Thu Dec 1 01:07:47 2011 From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 18:07:47 +1100 Subject: [dba-VB] vb.net vs c#.net References: <20111130221947.DPTS28897.mta02.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz>, , <4ED6FDE3.14088.38C4BD1@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <99266C61B516644D9727F983FAFAB46511B8F7@remote.ddisolutions.com.au> I haven't noticed any elitism personally. Clients do seem to be aware of C# though. I started using VB.net in the early days but changed to C# because I was still supporting VB6 apps at the time. I just found myself getting confused ;-) I now would never consider starting a new project in VB.net unless it was specifically required. { Do seem to make your code neater } Cheers Michael M Don't forget the curly brackets - go to have lots of loverly curly brackets too :-) -- Stuart On 30 Nov 2011 at 17:51, Arthur Fuller wrote: > IME, I have observed the elitist preference for C# in the marketplace, > and the dimunition of Vb.NET in the same marketplace. There are a few > differences, AFICS, but there are translators to overcome this. That > said, almost all that is required to move from VB to C# is a bunch of > semi-colons. But the marketplace seems to regard these as worth at > least > $20 an hour more income. So I have dived into C#. Most of the > transition has proved trivial. > > A. > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2102/4049 - Release Date: 11/30/11 From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Dec 1 03:05:36 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 13:05:36 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?vb=2Enet_vs_c=23=2Enet?= In-Reply-To: <20111130221947.DPTS28897.mta02.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz> References: <20111130221947.DPTS28897.mta02.xtra.co.nz@David-PC.dalyn.co.nz> Message-ID: Hi David -- I do use C#. I have made one large VB.NET training project when transitioning to .NET development but after that (that was VS2003?) I have switched to C# development and I'm using it today... As David noted C# syntax is close to Java and I used to port some Java code to C# when there was no C# samples available. That was easy. But that "syntactical closeness" wasn't my main reason to use primarily C# in .NET development. BTW, when you're getting fluent with C# then using VB.NET and VBA becomes an issue (at least for me and that happens after 10+ years of using VBA/VB6 in development) - I mean being "bilingual" C# and VB.NET requires IMO constant everyday usage of both languages, if you'll just use one of them then using another would result in some coding slow down - several days until you'll get on speed again.... I personally do not see any reasons to be bilingual C# and VB.NET in real life projects development... And getting fluent with C# would let you to try to get on speed with C++(/CLI) development, which together with WinRT promise to be one of the main development languages on Windows Phone/Windows Metro Style "development arena"... Thank you. -- Shamil 01 ??????? 2011, 02:20 ?? David Emerson : > Just out of curiosity, a comment I read recently was that 99% of .net > programmers seem to be using c#. > > As far as this group goes: > > What are peoples preferences? > > What do you do most of your development work in? > > Regards > > David Emerson > Dalyn Software Ltd > Wellington, New Zealand > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From jeff.developer at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 10:22:18 2011 From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff B) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 10:22:18 -0600 Subject: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET In-Reply-To: References: <003001cca076$20a08e80$61e1ab80$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004201ccb045$6618e000$324aa000$@gmail.com> Hey Doug, Thanks for the help and sample code. I decided to follow your example and store the sig as a jpg image in a folder. Now, I need to ask you what you did with the signatures, and how? Jeff Barrows MCP, MCAD, MCSD ? Outbak Technologies, LLC Racine, WI jeff.developer at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:04 AM To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET Hi Jeff: We just use SuperSignature as they suggested - to save a file to a folder on the server. But I do retrieve the signature data first as a System.Drawing.Bitmap, then convert it to a jpg and save it. I assume that you could write the Bitmap to a blob field in SQL. Sorry, the code is C#: // signature is returned as bitmap if no path specified System.Drawing.Bitmap BM = ctlSignature.SaveSignature(""); if (!ctlSignature.SignHasError) { // Save the image in JPEG format. BM.Save(Server.MapPath("~/sigs/sign.jpg"), System.Drawing.Imaging.ImageFormat.Jpeg); } else { Response.Write("Error:" + ctlSignature.SignInternalError); } Hope this helps! Doug On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Jeff B wrote: > OK, I guess I need to add some more information. > > We purchased a signature control from WebSignatureCapture. When I > discovered that their control would not work for our site, they > referred me to their sister-site, SuperSignature. > > I have worked with their support team as I could not get the signature > box to show up on the published site, (it was a VS 2010 issue). > > It now appears that things are working ok, but I want to verify that > the image is actually being stored in SQL, and I am currently having > issues retrieving the image from SQL. Does anyone have some code they > are willing to share that retrieves images? And the code you use to > store it? (if I am not asking for too much?) > > > Jeff Barrows > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > Racine, WI > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:01 PM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > I did this for a client's app (in C#). We went with SuperSignature: > > http://www.supersignature.com/ > > If I remember, SuperSignature had a lot fewer options than > RealSignature, but did what we wanted (simple signature capture on a > web app focused on iPhone use) and was considerably cheaper. > > Their copy protection is a little quirky, but their tech support was > helpful. > > Doug > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:37 PM, David McAfee > wrote: > > > My coworker is doing that very same thing, but I believe in C#. > > > > This is where he went for the custom control: realsignature.com > > > > He said it includes the license file. > > > > It looks like they have VB.Net samples on their site. > > > > HTH, > > David > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Jeff B > wrote: > > > > > Does anyone here have experience writing web pages in ASP.NET that > > require > > > online signatures? I have a website ALMOST finished that needs > > > users to sign on an iPad and I need to capture the signature, save > > > it into an SQL Server 2005 database, and extract the signature > > > back out > to a PDF. > > > > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > > Racine, WI > > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbdoug at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 10:46:50 2011 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 08:46:50 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET In-Reply-To: <004201ccb045$6618e000$324aa000$@gmail.com> References: <003001cca076$20a08e80$61e1ab80$@gmail.com> <004201ccb045$6618e000$324aa000$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Jeff: The customer signatures were collected by the iPhone web app as part of a work order tracking system. The work order number was the start of the signature file name. The main processing was done back at the office with an Access database. When a work order was being processed, the office user could check the signature (pulled into an imagebox on the edit screen), and when the invoice was printed, the signature was printed with it. I kept the signature files separate from the Access data file partly to keep the bloat down to a minimum. Doug On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Jeff B wrote: > Hey Doug, > > Thanks for the help and sample code. I decided to follow your example and > store the sig as a jpg image in a folder. Now, I need to ask you what you > did with the signatures, and how? > > Jeff Barrows > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > Racine, WI > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:04 AM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > Hi Jeff: > > We just use SuperSignature as they suggested - to save a file to a folder > on > the server. But I do retrieve the signature data first as a > System.Drawing.Bitmap, then convert it to a jpg and save it. I assume that > you could write the Bitmap to a blob field in SQL. Sorry, the code is C#: > > // signature is returned as bitmap if no path specified > System.Drawing.Bitmap BM = ctlSignature.SaveSignature(""); > if (!ctlSignature.SignHasError) > { > // Save the image in JPEG format. > BM.Save(Server.MapPath("~/sigs/sign.jpg"), > System.Drawing.Imaging.ImageFormat.Jpeg); > } > else > { > Response.Write("Error:" + ctlSignature.SignInternalError); > } > > Hope this helps! > Doug > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Jeff B wrote: > > > OK, I guess I need to add some more information. > > > > We purchased a signature control from WebSignatureCapture. When I > > discovered that their control would not work for our site, they > > referred me to their sister-site, SuperSignature. > > > > I have worked with their support team as I could not get the signature > > box to show up on the published site, (it was a VS 2010 issue). > > > > It now appears that things are working ok, but I want to verify that > > the image is actually being stored in SQL, and I am currently having > > issues retrieving the image from SQL. Does anyone have some code they > > are willing to share that retrieves images? And the code you use to > > store it? (if I am not asking for too much?) > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > Racine, WI > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:01 PM > > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > > > I did this for a client's app (in C#). We went with SuperSignature: > > > > http://www.supersignature.com/ > > > > If I remember, SuperSignature had a lot fewer options than > > RealSignature, but did what we wanted (simple signature capture on a > > web app focused on iPhone use) and was considerably cheaper. > > > > Their copy protection is a little quirky, but their tech support was > > helpful. > > > > Doug > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:37 PM, David McAfee > > wrote: > > > > > My coworker is doing that very same thing, but I believe in C#. > > > > > > This is where he went for the custom control: realsignature.com > > > > > > He said it includes the license file. > > > > > > It looks like they have VB.Net samples on their site. > > > > > > HTH, > > > David > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Jeff B > > wrote: > > > > > > > Does anyone here have experience writing web pages in ASP.NET that > > > require > > > > online signatures? I have a website ALMOST finished that needs > > > > users to sign on an iPad and I need to capture the signature, save > > > > it into an SQL Server 2005 database, and extract the signature > > > > back out > > to a PDF. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > > > Racine, WI > > > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From jeff.developer at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 11:05:18 2011 From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff B) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:05:18 -0600 Subject: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET In-Reply-To: References: <003001cca076$20a08e80$61e1ab80$@gmail.com> <004201ccb045$6618e000$324aa000$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004601ccb04b$67e79dd0$37b6d970$@gmail.com> Right, but what I am trying to figure out is how to pull the image up and add it to the report. Jeff Barrows MCP, MCAD, MCSD ? Outbak Technologies, LLC Racine, WI jeff.developer at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 10:47 AM To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET Hi Jeff: The customer signatures were collected by the iPhone web app as part of a work order tracking system. The work order number was the start of the signature file name. The main processing was done back at the office with an Access database. When a work order was being processed, the office user could check the signature (pulled into an imagebox on the edit screen), and when the invoice was printed, the signature was printed with it. I kept the signature files separate from the Access data file partly to keep the bloat down to a minimum. Doug On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Jeff B wrote: > Hey Doug, > > Thanks for the help and sample code. I decided to follow your example > and store the sig as a jpg image in a folder. Now, I need to ask you > what you did with the signatures, and how? > > Jeff Barrows > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > Racine, WI > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:04 AM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > Hi Jeff: > > We just use SuperSignature as they suggested - to save a file to a > folder on the server. But I do retrieve the signature data first as a > System.Drawing.Bitmap, then convert it to a jpg and save it. I assume > that you could write the Bitmap to a blob field in SQL. Sorry, the code is C#: > > // signature is returned as bitmap if no path specified > System.Drawing.Bitmap BM = ctlSignature.SaveSignature(""); > if (!ctlSignature.SignHasError) > { > // Save the image in JPEG format. > BM.Save(Server.MapPath("~/sigs/sign.jpg"), > System.Drawing.Imaging.ImageFormat.Jpeg); > } > else > { > Response.Write("Error:" + ctlSignature.SignInternalError); > } > > Hope this helps! > Doug > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Jeff B wrote: > > > OK, I guess I need to add some more information. > > > > We purchased a signature control from WebSignatureCapture. When I > > discovered that their control would not work for our site, they > > referred me to their sister-site, SuperSignature. > > > > I have worked with their support team as I could not get the > > signature box to show up on the published site, (it was a VS 2010 issue). > > > > It now appears that things are working ok, but I want to verify that > > the image is actually being stored in SQL, and I am currently having > > issues retrieving the image from SQL. Does anyone have some code > > they are willing to share that retrieves images? And the code you > > use to store it? (if I am not asking for too much?) > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > Racine, WI > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug > > Steele > > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:01 PM > > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > > > I did this for a client's app (in C#). We went with SuperSignature: > > > > http://www.supersignature.com/ > > > > If I remember, SuperSignature had a lot fewer options than > > RealSignature, but did what we wanted (simple signature capture on a > > web app focused on iPhone use) and was considerably cheaper. > > > > Their copy protection is a little quirky, but their tech support was > > helpful. > > > > Doug > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:37 PM, David McAfee > > > > wrote: > > > > > My coworker is doing that very same thing, but I believe in C#. > > > > > > This is where he went for the custom control: realsignature.com > > > > > > He said it includes the license file. > > > > > > It looks like they have VB.Net samples on their site. > > > > > > HTH, > > > David > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Jeff B > > wrote: > > > > > > > Does anyone here have experience writing web pages in ASP.NET > > > > that > > > require > > > > online signatures? I have a website ALMOST finished that needs > > > > users to sign on an iPad and I need to capture the signature, > > > > save it into an SQL Server 2005 database, and extract the > > > > signature back out > > to a PDF. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > > > Racine, WI > > > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbdoug at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 11:08:24 2011 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 09:08:24 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET In-Reply-To: <004601ccb04b$67e79dd0$37b6d970$@gmail.com> References: <003001cca076$20a08e80$61e1ab80$@gmail.com> <004201ccb045$6618e000$324aa000$@gmail.com> <004601ccb04b$67e79dd0$37b6d970$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sorry, neither of the ASP.Net apps I've written involved any reporting. In Access at least, all you have to do is have an image box on the report then set the source of the image box to the path of the signature file when the report section loads. Doug On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Jeff B wrote: > Right, but what I am trying to figure out is how to pull the image up and > add it to the report. > > Jeff Barrows > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > Racine, WI > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 10:47 AM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > Hi Jeff: > > The customer signatures were collected by the iPhone web app as part of a > work order tracking system. The work order number was the start of the > signature file name. The main processing was done back at the office with > an > Access database. When a work order was being processed, the office user > could check the signature (pulled into an imagebox on the edit screen), and > when the invoice was printed, the signature was printed with it. > > I kept the signature files separate from the Access data file partly to > keep > the bloat down to a minimum. > > Doug > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Jeff B wrote: > > > Hey Doug, > > > > Thanks for the help and sample code. I decided to follow your example > > and store the sig as a jpg image in a folder. Now, I need to ask you > > what you did with the signatures, and how? > > > > Jeff Barrows > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > Racine, WI > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:04 AM > > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > > > Hi Jeff: > > > > We just use SuperSignature as they suggested - to save a file to a > > folder on the server. But I do retrieve the signature data first as a > > System.Drawing.Bitmap, then convert it to a jpg and save it. I assume > > that you could write the Bitmap to a blob field in SQL. Sorry, the code > is C#: > > > > // signature is returned as bitmap if no path specified > > System.Drawing.Bitmap BM = ctlSignature.SaveSignature(""); > > if (!ctlSignature.SignHasError) > > { > > // Save the image in JPEG format. > > BM.Save(Server.MapPath("~/sigs/sign.jpg"), > > System.Drawing.Imaging.ImageFormat.Jpeg); > > } > > else > > { > > Response.Write("Error:" + ctlSignature.SignInternalError); > > } > > > > Hope this helps! > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Jeff B > wrote: > > > > > OK, I guess I need to add some more information. > > > > > > We purchased a signature control from WebSignatureCapture. When I > > > discovered that their control would not work for our site, they > > > referred me to their sister-site, SuperSignature. > > > > > > I have worked with their support team as I could not get the > > > signature box to show up on the published site, (it was a VS 2010 > issue). > > > > > > It now appears that things are working ok, but I want to verify that > > > the image is actually being stored in SQL, and I am currently having > > > issues retrieving the image from SQL. Does anyone have some code > > > they are willing to share that retrieves images? And the code you > > > use to store it? (if I am not asking for too much?) > > > > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > > Racine, WI > > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug > > > Steele > > > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:01 PM > > > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > > > > > I did this for a client's app (in C#). We went with SuperSignature: > > > > > > http://www.supersignature.com/ > > > > > > If I remember, SuperSignature had a lot fewer options than > > > RealSignature, but did what we wanted (simple signature capture on a > > > web app focused on iPhone use) and was considerably cheaper. > > > > > > Their copy protection is a little quirky, but their tech support was > > > helpful. > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:37 PM, David McAfee > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > My coworker is doing that very same thing, but I believe in C#. > > > > > > > > This is where he went for the custom control: realsignature.com > > > > > > > > He said it includes the license file. > > > > > > > > It looks like they have VB.Net samples on their site. > > > > > > > > HTH, > > > > David > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Jeff B > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Does anyone here have experience writing web pages in ASP.NET > > > > > that > > > > require > > > > > online signatures? I have a website ALMOST finished that needs > > > > > users to sign on an iPad and I need to capture the signature, > > > > > save it into an SQL Server 2005 database, and extract the > > > > > signature back out > > > to a PDF. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > > > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > > > > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > > > > Racine, WI > > > > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From jeff.developer at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 11:16:39 2011 From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff B) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:16:39 -0600 Subject: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET In-Reply-To: References: <003001cca076$20a08e80$61e1ab80$@gmail.com> <004201ccb045$6618e000$324aa000$@gmail.com> <004601ccb04b$67e79dd0$37b6d970$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004701ccb04c$fd9930e0$f8cb92a0$@gmail.com> Ok, thanks for your help! Jeff Barrows MCP, MCAD, MCSD ? Outbak Technologies, LLC Racine, WI jeff.developer at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 11:08 AM To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET Sorry, neither of the ASP.Net apps I've written involved any reporting. In Access at least, all you have to do is have an image box on the report then set the source of the image box to the path of the signature file when the report section loads. Doug On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Jeff B wrote: > Right, but what I am trying to figure out is how to pull the image up > and add it to the report. > > Jeff Barrows > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > Racine, WI > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 10:47 AM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > Hi Jeff: > > The customer signatures were collected by the iPhone web app as part > of a work order tracking system. The work order number was the start > of the signature file name. The main processing was done back at the > office with an Access database. When a work order was being > processed, the office user could check the signature (pulled into an > imagebox on the edit screen), and when the invoice was printed, the > signature was printed with it. > > I kept the signature files separate from the Access data file partly > to keep the bloat down to a minimum. > > Doug > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Jeff B wrote: > > > Hey Doug, > > > > Thanks for the help and sample code. I decided to follow your > > example and store the sig as a jpg image in a folder. Now, I need > > to ask you what you did with the signatures, and how? > > > > Jeff Barrows > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > Racine, WI > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug > > Steele > > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:04 AM > > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > > > Hi Jeff: > > > > We just use SuperSignature as they suggested - to save a file to a > > folder on the server. But I do retrieve the signature data first as > > a System.Drawing.Bitmap, then convert it to a jpg and save it. I > > assume that you could write the Bitmap to a blob field in SQL. > > Sorry, the code > is C#: > > > > // signature is returned as bitmap if no path specified > > System.Drawing.Bitmap BM = ctlSignature.SaveSignature(""); > > if (!ctlSignature.SignHasError) > > { > > // Save the image in JPEG format. > > BM.Save(Server.MapPath("~/sigs/sign.jpg"), > > System.Drawing.Imaging.ImageFormat.Jpeg); > > } > > else > > { > > Response.Write("Error:" + ctlSignature.SignInternalError); > > } > > > > Hope this helps! > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Jeff B > wrote: > > > > > OK, I guess I need to add some more information. > > > > > > We purchased a signature control from WebSignatureCapture. When I > > > discovered that their control would not work for our site, they > > > referred me to their sister-site, SuperSignature. > > > > > > I have worked with their support team as I could not get the > > > signature box to show up on the published site, (it was a VS 2010 > issue). > > > > > > It now appears that things are working ok, but I want to verify > > > that the image is actually being stored in SQL, and I am currently > > > having issues retrieving the image from SQL. Does anyone have > > > some code they are willing to share that retrieves images? And > > > the code you use to store it? (if I am not asking for too much?) > > > > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > > Racine, WI > > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug > > > Steele > > > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:01 PM > > > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > > > Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Signature capture in ASP.NET / VB.NET > > > > > > I did this for a client's app (in C#). We went with SuperSignature: > > > > > > http://www.supersignature.com/ > > > > > > If I remember, SuperSignature had a lot fewer options than > > > RealSignature, but did what we wanted (simple signature capture on > > > a web app focused on iPhone use) and was considerably cheaper. > > > > > > Their copy protection is a little quirky, but their tech support > > > was helpful. > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:37 PM, David McAfee > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > My coworker is doing that very same thing, but I believe in C#. > > > > > > > > This is where he went for the custom control: realsignature.com > > > > > > > > He said it includes the license file. > > > > > > > > It looks like they have VB.Net samples on their site. > > > > > > > > HTH, > > > > David > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Jeff B > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Does anyone here have experience writing web pages in ASP.NET > > > > > that > > > > require > > > > > online signatures? I have a website ALMOST finished that > > > > > needs users to sign on an iPad and I need to capture the > > > > > signature, save it into an SQL Server 2005 database, and > > > > > extract the signature back out > > > to a PDF. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff Barrows > > > > > MCP, MCAD, MCSD > > > > > > > > > > Outbak Technologies, LLC > > > > > Racine, WI > > > > > jeff.developer at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dba-VB mailing list > > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Dec 1 18:11:29 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 04:11:29 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= Message-ID: Hi All -- FYI:? I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how smooth his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but with Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even using one hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - the thumb one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows Phone 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a project with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? Thank you. -- Shamil From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 2 15:17:52 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 22:17:52 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil et al Very well! Quite often app development starts with just some sketches. I've learned that this is called UX sketching (for User eXperience). Tools exist for this. Here is one by Sara Summers for the panorama view of Metro: http://www.uxarray.com/2010/11/18/prototyping-sketch-sheets-wp7/ and the sheet to print and cut and draw upon: http://www.uxarray.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/PaperPrototype_Sketchbook_WP7_Metro.pdf Another one by Rashid Ali is here: Windows Phone 7 UX Sketch Templates http://blog.merrycode.com/windows-phone-7-ux-sketch-templates/ The official guide is here: User Experience Design Guidelines for Windows Phone http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202915(v=VS.92).aspx Also, a single, full download of everything needed to get started with WP7+ development is here: Windows Phone SDK 7.1 http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27570 The Windows Phone SDK includes a major collection of software: * Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone * Windows Phone Emulator * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Assemblies * Silverlight 4 SDK and DRT * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Extensions for XNA Game Studio 4.0 * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone 7 * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone OS 7.1 * WCF Data Services Client for Window Phone * Microsoft Advertising SDK for Windows Phone Please note the upscaled system requirements. No WinXP here, and DirectX 9 is an absolute minimum (DirectX 10 is needed for games). The 3 GB is a minimum too, as the Windows Phone Emulator (which on-screen mimics a physical phone) alone eats a whopping 800 MB. Note that the Ultimate ($)version of Expression Blend does feature SketchFlow to create sketches on screen: http://blogs.microsoft.nl/blogs/ux/archive/2011/06/16/sketchflow-for-windows-phone-the-real-one.aspx As for the Northwind.Net porting to WP7, I'll have to think about it. Some challenge - both for the UI design as well as the database connection. Not the first project to work with for me. Finally, don't forget the free 1000-page Microsoft Press ebook: Programming Windows Phone 7: http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24519 /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> Hi All -- FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how smooth his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but with Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even using one hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - the thumb one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows Phone 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a project with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? Thank you. -- Shamil From dbdoug at gmail.com Fri Dec 2 15:27:39 2011 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 13:27:39 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wow! Thanks, Gustav Doug On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Shamil et al > > Very well! > > Quite often app development starts with just some sketches. I've learned > that this is called UX sketching (for User eXperience). > > Tools exist for this. Here is one by Sara Summers for the panorama view of > Metro: > > http://www.uxarray.com/2010/11/18/prototyping-sketch-sheets-wp7/ > > and the sheet to print and cut and draw upon: > > http://www.uxarray.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/PaperPrototype_Sketchbook_WP7_Metro.pdf > > Another one by Rashid Ali is here: > Windows Phone 7 UX Sketch Templates > http://blog.merrycode.com/windows-phone-7-ux-sketch-templates/ > > The official guide is here: > User Experience Design Guidelines for Windows Phone > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202915(v=VS.92).aspx > > > Also, a single, full download of everything needed to get started with > WP7+ development is here: > Windows Phone SDK 7.1 > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27570 > > The Windows Phone SDK includes a major collection of software: > > * Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone > * Windows Phone Emulator > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Assemblies > * Silverlight 4 SDK and DRT > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Extensions for XNA Game Studio 4.0 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone 7 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone OS 7.1 > * WCF Data Services Client for Window Phone > * Microsoft Advertising SDK for Windows Phone > > Please note the upscaled system requirements. No WinXP here, and DirectX 9 > is an absolute minimum (DirectX 10 is needed for games). The 3 GB is a > minimum too, as the Windows Phone Emulator (which on-screen mimics a > physical phone) alone eats a whopping 800 MB. > > Note that the Ultimate ($)version of Expression Blend does feature > SketchFlow to create sketches on screen: > > > http://blogs.microsoft.nl/blogs/ux/archive/2011/06/16/sketchflow-for-windows-phone-the-real-one.aspx > > > As for the Northwind.Net porting to WP7, I'll have to think about it. Some > challenge - both for the UI design as well as the database connection. Not > the first project to work with for me. > > > Finally, don't forget the free 1000-page Microsoft Press ebook: > Programming Windows Phone 7: > > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24519 > > /gustav > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> > Hi All -- > > FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. > > First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) > > I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something > useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. > > One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how > well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how > smooth his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) > > And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this > device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself > comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but > with Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even > using one hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - > the thumb one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! > > I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse > Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! > > Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net > project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows > Phone 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a > project with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Dec 2 17:42:26 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 03:42:26 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your notes and links - I have got a few other ones (see P.S.), which allowed me to start WP7 test development I have already got all the development stuff installed and I can create WP7 solutions, build and run them in emulation mode on my PC... So we are just two here - happy owners on Windows Phone 7/7.5? Anybody else? BTW, I have given my WP7.5 to play to my son (he is 10+ years old) and to compare to his Samsung Fit with Android 2.x - and my son wasn't impressed by my WP at all :( (:) Yes, MS has to do quite a lot on this "frontline" to get kids and teens "back to Windows (Phones)". "Angry Birds", "Doodle Jump" and many other popular games are free for Android - very important option for kids. Even with 1-3USD price for "Angry Birds" and "Doodle Jump" MS risks to miss WP market for children... Have you got registered on Windows Phone Development Registration page http://create.msdn.com/en-US/ ? I'm considering registering there if it will give some additional information on WP7, if not, then I will stay unregistered till I'll get something ready to publish on that site. Registration is 99USD/year. I'm also interested will WP7.5 Internet Tethering work here in Russia with my mobile provider or not (http://www.winrumors.com/windows-phone-7-5-internet-tethering-feature-only-available-on-new-devices/) - they say this feature is opened/blocked by mobile operators. I have mobile USB modem which I use with my laptop when on the road or outside of my broadband Internet connection - if WP7 Internet Tethering will be available here then I will use it instead of USB modem... As for Northwind.WP7 - I do not plan to make it having "fancy graphics" interface - I plan to use the basic Silverlight controls for this interface - the main challenges I see currently are: - 1) to make it working and looking well in both portrait and landscape layouts; - 2) to simulate combo-box selection by using Silverlight list control - as e.g. it's done in WP7 "Alarm clock" application when selecting date or time - have you seen any samples presenting this UI development technique? - 3) to make reports by using grid controls hosting other controls; And I do not plan to have any backend communication for the first version of Northwind.WP7 - I'm going to just put all the sample data into resources, which will be compiled and deployed together with application... We will see - as I noted previously I'd currently setting deadline for this project as 6 months as I have quite some other work to do and as WP7 "learning curve" promise to be rather steep.. P.S. Some WP7 resources Windows Phone Development - fundamential concepts http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff626521(v=vs.92).aspx Windows Phone Development http://create.msdn.com/en-us/home/getting_started Silverlight QuickStart http://create.msdn.com/en-US/education/quickstarts/Navigation 03 ??????? 2011, 01:14 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil et al > > Very well! > > Quite often app development starts with just some sketches. I've learned that this is called UX sketching (for User eXperience). > > Tools exist for this. Here is one by Sara Summers for the panorama view of Metro: > > http://www.uxarray.com/2010/11/18/prototyping-sketch-sheets-wp7/ > > and the sheet to print and cut and draw upon: > http://www.uxarray.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/PaperPrototype_Sketchbook_WP7_Metro.pdf > > Another one by Rashid Ali is here: > Windows Phone 7 UX Sketch Templates > http://blog.merrycode.com/windows-phone-7-ux-sketch-templates/ > > The official guide is here: > User Experience Design Guidelines for Windows Phone > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202915(v=VS.92).aspx > > Also, a single, full download of everything needed to get started with WP7+ development is here: > Windows Phone SDK 7.1 > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27570 > > The Windows Phone SDK includes a major collection of software: > > * Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone > * Windows Phone Emulator > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Assemblies > * Silverlight 4 SDK and DRT > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Extensions for XNA Game Studio 4.0 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone 7 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone OS 7.1 > * WCF Data Services Client for Window Phone > * Microsoft Advertising SDK for Windows Phone > > Please note the upscaled system requirements. No WinXP here, and DirectX 9 is an absolute minimum (DirectX 10 is needed for games). The 3 GB is a minimum too, as the Windows Phone Emulator (which on-screen mimics a physical phone) alone eats a whopping 800 MB. > > Note that the Ultimate ($)version of Expression Blend does feature SketchFlow to create sketches on screen: > > http://blogs.microsoft.nl/blogs/ux/archive/2011/06/16/sketchflow-for-windows-phone-the-real-one.aspx > > As for the Northwind.Net porting to WP7, I'll have to think about it. Some challenge - both for the UI design as well as the database connection. Not the first project to work with for me. > > Finally, don't forget the free 1000-page Microsoft Press ebook: Programming Windows Phone 7: > > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24519 > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> > Hi All -- > > FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. > > First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) > > I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. > > One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how smooth his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) > > And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but with Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even using one hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - the thumb one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! > > I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! > > Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows Phone 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a project with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Dec 3 20:06:28 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 21:06:28 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Subversion repositories and server Message-ID: <4EDAD5A4.3020505@colbyconsulting.com> I use subversion here at my office. I have to say I find it confusing and "just use it" without really understanding it. I am trying to set it up at my clients as I am about to start doing some VS 2010 / C# stuff there to replace some less reliable Access stuff. I want the repositories to reside on the server with all of its raid and backup safety net. Here at my office I use the file:// method of accessing the repository which the way I understand it is nothing more than allowing VSN on the workstation to check in and out through a shared directory. When I started research on Google I am getting "shared directories is a bad idea, use a server", but I do not know how to do that. I have set up the server simply by downloading the VisualSVN Server msi and installing it. I created a group and a user and ser my user into the group. I then created two repositories for two different projects and added the group to the project with R/W access and disabled the Everyone user. My question is how do I get my workstation to use the server now? I am using VS 2010, and it has the VisualSVN package installed. I just need to "hook up" the VisualSVN in my workstation to get data from the repository server. Onw would think that there would be a place to go to tell VisualSVN in the workstation "your server is named XYZ" etc but I am not finding that. The "Get solution from Subversion" has a Repository URL line but it does not automatically look for and find my repository and I have no clue what the URL is. IMHO this is the shakiest part of using this stuff. Any help is much appreciated. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Dec 3 20:47:12 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 21:47:12 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Subversion repositories and server In-Reply-To: <4EDAD5A4.3020505@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EDAD5A4.3020505@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4EDADF30.2030909@colbyconsulting.com> Well I got it. The server side software gave me a url. I ended up getting an error about xml not parsing correctly and got a clue (though not an answer) from Google that basically told me I needed to add the trunk portion . I had to add the trunk to the server URL. Then I had to change the default username jcolby (apparently returned from windows?) to the user I set up in the VSNServer and it "took". Sorry for the ring. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 12/3/2011 9:06 PM, jwcolby wrote: > I use subversion here at my office. I have to say I find it confusing and "just use it" without > really understanding it. > > I am trying to set it up at my clients as I am about to start doing some VS 2010 / C# stuff there to > replace some less reliable Access stuff. I want the repositories to reside on the server with all of > its raid and backup safety net. > > Here at my office I use the file:// method of accessing the repository which the way I understand it > is nothing more than allowing VSN on the workstation to check in and out through a shared directory. > > When I started research on Google I am getting "shared directories is a bad idea, use a server", but > I do not know how to do that. > > I have set up the server simply by downloading the VisualSVN Server msi and installing it. I created > a group and a user and ser my user into the group. I then created two repositories for two different > projects and added the group to the project with R/W access and disabled the Everyone user. > > My question is how do I get my workstation to use the server now? I am using VS 2010, and it has the > VisualSVN package installed. I just need to "hook up" the VisualSVN in my workstation to get data > from the repository server. Onw would think that there would be a place to go to tell VisualSVN in > the workstation "your server is named XYZ" etc but I am not finding that. The "Get solution from > Subversion" has a Repository URL line but it does not automatically look for and find my repository > and I have no clue what the URL is. > > IMHO this is the shakiest part of using this stuff. Any help is much appreciated. > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Dec 3 21:39:42 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 22:39:42 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] VSN right click isn't working Message-ID: <4EDAEB7E.1090208@colbyconsulting.com> I use VSN with right click context stuff to check in and out some DLLs such as NLog which are referenced by my projects but are not stuff that I can directly open in VS and use that to do the checkin. The problem is that while the right click menu works on my systems at the office, at my client they cause Windows Explorer to crash, as in close and explorer reopens a few seconds later. Right clicking on any file or directory causes the explorer crash. I eventually found this thing called ShellExView that allows one to see the right click processes that are hooking into Explorer's right click widget, and from there I caused all of the VSNTortoise stuff to stop and the crashes stopped. So I can't use VSN's stuff on my dev machine at the client to check directories in and out of tortoise / VSN and so I have no way to check in initially. I decided to try and do this on the server directly and the right click menu works just fine there, or at least doesn't page fault explorer. However when I try to check it in, it complains about a different user or something. Sigh. AFAIC I do not have to have this in source control, i.e. the reference that I am trying to check in are just dlls which are referenced at a specific path on my hard disk and for that purpose having them in source control doesn't matter. However putting it in source control allows me to "check them out" from any other machine which needs them, and further if I get a new version of a file (nlogs.dll for example) I can check it in and then check it out on other machines to get the latest. The whole point of source control really. So long term I really want to get this working. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Dec 3 22:53:28 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 23:53:28 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Using SQL Server SMO with .Net Message-ID: <4EDAFCC8.1030203@colbyconsulting.com> I am trying to port some pre-written code from my home office to my client where I am setting up to use VS 2010. We use SMO heavily here at my office, but I discovered that SMO is not part of the framework. Ifyou use SMO this is the page that discuses getting a SQL Server 2008 R2 Feature pack which contains standalone stuff including SMO. This apparently has to be installed on each workstation running VisualStudio so that you can reference the SMO in your project references. http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=16978 It appears that they break out a whole bunch of things individually so that you download just a piece you are interested in. SMO is about 3/4 of the way down a very long page of these things. It is precisely things like this that I assume need to go in a source controlled References (my directory name) project so that they can just be downloaded, though in this case it is an MSI and thus has to be installed. I have no clue how bug fixes get applied in cases like this. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sun Dec 4 03:50:28 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 01:50:28 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] Subversion repositories and server In-Reply-To: <4EDADF30.2030909@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EDAD5A4.3020505@colbyconsulting.com> <4EDADF30.2030909@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Hi john, Having a proper svn server is definitely the best in terms of transactional integrity. Seems like you have things worked out, but the apache svn module is pretty straightforward to use and I could easily as you up with a minimal Debian-based svn apache virtual(box) machine within 15 min if that helps. By the way, have you ever toyed wit Git? You don't even have to stop using svn. git can happily work as a wrapper around a svn repo. Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 3 Dec 2011, at 18:47, jwcolby wrote: > Well I got it. > > The server side software gave me a url. I ended up getting an error about xml not parsing correctly and got a clue (though not an answer) from Google that basically told me I needed to add the trunk portion . I had to add the trunk to the server URL. Then I had to change the default username jcolby (apparently returned from windows?) to the user I set up in the VSNServer and it "took". > > Sorry for the ring. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 12/3/2011 9:06 PM, jwcolby wrote: >> I use subversion here at my office. I have to say I find it confusing and "just use it" without >> really understanding it. >> >> I am trying to set it up at my clients as I am about to start doing some VS 2010 / C# stuff there to >> replace some less reliable Access stuff. I want the repositories to reside on the server with all of >> its raid and backup safety net. >> >> Here at my office I use the file:// method of accessing the repository which the way I understand it >> is nothing more than allowing VSN on the workstation to check in and out through a shared directory. >> >> When I started research on Google I am getting "shared directories is a bad idea, use a server", but >> I do not know how to do that. >> >> I have set up the server simply by downloading the VisualSVN Server msi and installing it. I created >> a group and a user and ser my user into the group. I then created two repositories for two different >> projects and added the group to the project with R/W access and disabled the Everyone user. >> >> My question is how do I get my workstation to use the server now? I am using VS 2010, and it has the >> VisualSVN package installed. I just need to "hook up" the VisualSVN in my workstation to get data >> from the repository server. Onw would think that there would be a place to go to tell VisualSVN in >> the workstation "your server is named XYZ" etc but I am not finding that. The "Get solution from >> Subversion" has a Repository URL line but it does not automatically look for and find my repository >> and I have no clue what the URL is. >> >> IMHO this is the shakiest part of using this stuff. Any help is much appreciated. >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Sun Dec 4 03:53:21 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 01:53:21 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] VSN right click isn't working In-Reply-To: <4EDAEB7E.1090208@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EDAEB7E.1090208@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: No clue about vsvn unfortunately, but one thing I did learn was how important it was to know have to use svn on the command line and that is all I do anymore (instead of visual GUI apps). Pays in the long run, IMO. Best regards, Hans-Christian Andersen On 3 Dec 2011, at 19:39, jwcolby wrote: > I use VSN with right click context stuff to check in and out some DLLs such as NLog which are referenced by my projects but are not stuff that I can directly open in VS and use that to do the checkin. The problem is that while the right click menu works on my systems at the office, at my client they cause Windows Explorer to crash, as in close and explorer reopens a few seconds later. Right clicking on any file or directory causes the explorer crash. > > I eventually found this thing called ShellExView that allows one to see the right click processes that are hooking into Explorer's right click widget, and from there I caused all of the VSNTortoise stuff to stop and the crashes stopped. > > So I can't use VSN's stuff on my dev machine at the client to check directories in and out of tortoise / VSN and so I have no way to check in initially. > > I decided to try and do this on the server directly and the right click menu works just fine there, or at least doesn't page fault explorer. However when I try to check it in, it complains about a different user or something. > > Sigh. AFAIC I do not have to have this in source control, i.e. the reference that I am trying to check in are just dlls which are referenced at a specific path on my hard disk and for that purpose having them in source control doesn't matter. However putting it in source control allows me to "check them out" from any other machine which needs them, and further if I get a new version of a file (nlogs.dll for example) I can check it in and then check it out on other machines to get the latest. The whole point of source control really. So long term I really want to get this working. > > -- > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sun Dec 4 13:33:44 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 14:33:44 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Automation API, is it needed? Message-ID: <4EDBCB18.4040000@colbyconsulting.com> I got a "speed up VS popup which took me to this page. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/981741 It doesn't sound like it is for the dev environment but rather when running an app with a pen or touch. Am I right there? -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 9 05:59:57 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 12:59:57 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi all I went to the two-day course in programming Windows Phone 7. A developer track and a UX track were offered; I picked the UX track as I found it best to have a solid foundation here - the coding stuff is easier to pick up later. That was a good pick. The session was lead by Arturo Toledo, Sr. User Experience Designer at Microsoft for the Windows Phone Design Studio. He also runs a comprehensive site which I believe contains or links to anything you may wish to know about design for WP7: http://ux.artu.tv/ His partner was Jared Potter (Design Integration Lead) - also called the Pixel Manager as his team approves any graphics going to the phone interface. Should you ever come across a session with either of these, do sign in. They know just about anything about what's happening at the screen surface of a Windows Phone, and both are men of great humour who it's a pleasure to spend some time with. /gustav >>> Gustav at cactus.dk 02-12-2011 22:17 >>> Hi Shamil et al Very well! Quite often app development starts with just some sketches. I've learned that this is called UX sketching (for User eXperience). Tools exist for this. Here is one by Sara Summers for the panorama view of Metro: http://www.uxarray.com/2010/11/18/prototyping-sketch-sheets-wp7/ and the sheet to print and cut and draw upon: http://www.uxarray.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/PaperPrototype_Sketchbook_WP7_Metro.pdf Another one by Rashid Ali is here: Windows Phone 7 UX Sketch Templates http://blog.merrycode.com/windows-phone-7-ux-sketch-templates/ The official guide is here: User Experience Design Guidelines for Windows Phone http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202915(v=VS.92).aspx Also, a single, full download of everything needed to get started with WP7+ development is here: Windows Phone SDK 7.1 http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27570 The Windows Phone SDK includes a major collection of software: * Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone * Windows Phone Emulator * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Assemblies * Silverlight 4 SDK and DRT * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Extensions for XNA Game Studio 4.0 * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone 7 * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone OS 7.1 * WCF Data Services Client for Window Phone * Microsoft Advertising SDK for Windows Phone Please note the upscaled system requirements. No WinXP here, and DirectX 9 is an absolute minimum (DirectX 10 is needed for games). The 3 GB is a minimum too, as the Windows Phone Emulator (which on-screen mimics a physical phone) alone eats a whopping 800 MB. Note that the Ultimate ($)version of Expression Blend does feature SketchFlow to create sketches on screen: http://blogs.microsoft.nl/blogs/ux/archive/2011/06/16/sketchflow-for-windows-phone-the-real-one.aspx As for the Northwind.Net porting to WP7, I'll have to think about it. Some challenge - both for the UI design as well as the database connection. Not the first project to work with for me. Finally, don't forget the free 1000-page Microsoft Press ebook: Programming Windows Phone 7: http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24519 /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> Hi All -- FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how smooth his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but with Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even using one hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - the thumb one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows Phone 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a project with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? Thank you. -- Shamil _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Dec 9 06:18:29 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 16:18:29 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your information. So you're ready to start your custom Windows Phone 7.5 Development? Did they tell how "scrolling selection" UI feature is implemented, e.g. when you set date (selecting day, month, year) while setting a calendar appointment? Thank you. -- Shamil 09 ??????? 2011, 15:56 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi all > > I went to the two-day course in programming Windows Phone 7. A developer track and a UX track were offered; I picked the UX track as I found it best to have a solid foundation here - the coding stuff is easier to pick up later. > > That was a good pick. The session was lead by Arturo Toledo, Sr. User Experience Designer at Microsoft for the Windows Phone Design Studio. > He also runs a comprehensive site which I believe contains or links to anything you may wish to know about design for WP7: > > http://ux.artu.tv/ > > His partner was Jared Potter (Design Integration Lead) - also called the Pixel Manager as his team approves any graphics going to the phone interface. > > Should you ever come across a session with either of these, do sign in. They know just about anything about what's happening at the screen surface of a Windows Phone, and both are men of great humour who it's a pleasure to spend some time with. > > /gustav > > >>> Gustav at cactus.dk 02-12-2011 22:17 >>> > Hi Shamil et al > > Very well! > > Quite often app development starts with just some sketches. I've learned that this is called UX sketching (for User eXperience). > > Tools exist for this. Here is one by Sara Summers for the panorama view of Metro: > > http://www.uxarray.com/2010/11/18/prototyping-sketch-sheets-wp7/ > > and the sheet to print and cut and draw upon: > http://www.uxarray.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/PaperPrototype_Sketchbook_WP7_Metro.pdf > > Another one by Rashid Ali is here: > Windows Phone 7 UX Sketch Templates > http://blog.merrycode.com/windows-phone-7-ux-sketch-templates/ > > The official guide is here: > User Experience Design Guidelines for Windows Phone > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202915(v=VS.92).aspx > > Also, a single, full download of everything needed to get started with WP7+ development is here: > Windows Phone SDK 7.1 > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27570 > > The Windows Phone SDK includes a major collection of software: > > * Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone > * Windows Phone Emulator > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Assemblies > * Silverlight 4 SDK and DRT > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Extensions for XNA Game Studio 4.0 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone 7 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone OS 7.1 > * WCF Data Services Client for Window Phone > * Microsoft Advertising SDK for Windows Phone > > Please note the upscaled system requirements. No WinXP here, and DirectX 9 is an absolute minimum (DirectX 10 is needed for games). The 3 GB is a minimum too, as the Windows Phone Emulator (which on-screen mimics a physical phone) alone eats a whopping 800 MB. > > Note that the Ultimate ($)version of Expression Blend does feature SketchFlow to create sketches on screen: > > http://blogs.microsoft.nl/blogs/ux/archive/2011/06/16/sketchflow-for-windows-phone-the-real-one.aspx > > As for the Northwind.Net porting to WP7, I'll have to think about it. Some challenge - both for the UI design as well as the database connection. Not the first project to work with for me. > > Finally, don't forget the free 1000-page Microsoft Press ebook: Programming Windows Phone 7: > > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24519 > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> > Hi All -- > > FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. > > First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) > > I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. > > One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how smooth his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) > > And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but with Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even using one hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - the thumb one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! > > I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! > > Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows Phone 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a project with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 9 06:27:28 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 13:27:28 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Localizing SQL Server Reporting Services Reports Message-ID: Hi all http://www.codeproject.com/KB/reporting-services/SQLServer2008Reporting.aspx This is a step-by-step walk-through of how to implement localization for SQL Server Reporting Services (SQL 2008). .. An additional item this article covers .. is the ability to use the un-compiled resource files (*.resx) rather than a compiled DLL. /gustav From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 9 08:40:43 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 15:40:43 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil Yes, I've even signed up at the App Hub: http://create.msdn.com/en-US/home/about/developer_registration_walkthrough as we received a one-year subscription in favour of the registration fee (only ~USD18.00). Also, I learned that more attention should be payed to Microsoft Expression Blend. This is an amazing design environment capable of all sorts of web-centric graphics, including animations, and with a amazing Windows Phone graphics designer and emulator featuring drag-n-drop design of many things with automatic sync to and from a code window as well. You have to work with it to believe it. Requires DirectX 10 minimum. It contains some additional tools/controls too, and I did see special controls like the one for the alarm selector, but I can't remember the name of the dlls. /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 09-12-2011 13:18 >>> Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your information. So you're ready to start your custom Windows Phone 7.5 Development? Did they tell how "scrolling selection" UI feature is implemented, e.g. when you set date (selecting day, month, year) while setting a calendar appointment? Thank you. -- Shamil 09 ??????? 2011, 15:56 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi all > > I went to the two-day course in programming Windows Phone 7. A developer track and a UX track were offered; I picked the UX track as I found it best to have a solid foundation here - the coding stuff is easier to pick up later. > > That was a good pick. The session was lead by Arturo Toledo, Sr. User Experience Designer at Microsoft for the Windows Phone Design Studio. > He also runs a comprehensive site which I believe contains or links to anything you may wish to know about design for WP7: > > http://ux.artu.tv/ > > His partner was Jared Potter (Design Integration Lead) - also called the Pixel Manager as his team approves any graphics going to the phone interface. > > Should you ever come across a session with either of these, do sign in. They know just about anything about what's happening at the screen surface of a Windows Phone, and both are men of great humour who it's a pleasure to spend some time with. > > /gustav > > >>> Gustav at cactus.dk 02-12-2011 22:17 >>> > Hi Shamil et al > > Very well! > > Quite often app development starts with just some sketches. I've learned that this is called UX sketching (for User eXperience). > > Tools exist for this. Here is one by Sara Summers for the panorama view of Metro: > > http://www.uxarray.com/2010/11/18/prototyping-sketch-sheets-wp7/ > > and the sheet to print and cut and draw upon: > http://www.uxarray.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/PaperPrototype_Sketchbook_WP7_Metro.pdf > > Another one by Rashid Ali is here: > Windows Phone 7 UX Sketch Templates > http://blog.merrycode.com/windows-phone-7-ux-sketch-templates/ > > The official guide is here: > User Experience Design Guidelines for Windows Phone > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202915(v=VS.92).aspx > > Also, a single, full download of everything needed to get started with WP7+ development is here: > Windows Phone SDK 7.1 > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27570 > > The Windows Phone SDK includes a major collection of software: > > * Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone > * Windows Phone Emulator > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Assemblies > * Silverlight 4 SDK and DRT > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Extensions for XNA Game Studio 4.0 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone 7 > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone OS 7.1 > * WCF Data Services Client for Window Phone > * Microsoft Advertising SDK for Windows Phone > > Please note the upscaled system requirements. No WinXP here, and DirectX 9 is an absolute minimum (DirectX 10 is needed for games). The 3 GB is a minimum too, as the Windows Phone Emulator (which on-screen mimics a physical phone) alone eats a whopping 800 MB. > > Note that the Ultimate ($)version of Expression Blend does feature SketchFlow to create sketches on screen: > > http://blogs.microsoft.nl/blogs/ux/archive/2011/06/16/sketchflow-for-windows-phone-the-real-one.aspx > > As for the Northwind.Net porting to WP7, I'll have to think about it. Some challenge - both for the UI design as well as the database connection. Not the first project to work with for me. > > Finally, don't forget the free 1000-page Microsoft Press ebook: Programming Windows Phone 7: > > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24519 > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> > Hi All -- > > FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. > > First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) > > I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. > > One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how smooth his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) > > And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but with Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even using one hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - the thumb one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! > > I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! > > Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows Phone 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a project with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 10:06:19 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 11:06:19 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Being unable to afford a Win7 phone, is that an impediment to development, or can I fake it using the IDE? Arthur On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Shamil > > Yes, I've even signed up at the App Hub: > > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/home/about/developer_registration_walkthrough > > as we received a one-year subscription in favour of the registration fee > (only ~USD18.00). > > Also, I learned that more attention should be payed to Microsoft > Expression Blend. This is an amazing design environment capable of all > sorts of web-centric graphics, including animations, and with a amazing > Windows Phone graphics designer and emulator featuring drag-n-drop design > of many things with automatic sync to and from a code window as well. You > have to work with it to believe it. Requires DirectX 10 minimum. > > It contains some additional tools/controls too, and I did see special > controls like the one for the alarm selector, but I can't remember the name > of the dlls. > > /gustav > > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 9 10:18:47 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 17:18:47 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Arthur You can fake it - actually are expected to do so during development - using the Windows Phone 7 Emulator (from the free SDK) which on-screen mimics most things. It requires 800 MB of ram and DirectX 10 graphics minimum. /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 09-12-2011 17:06 >>> Being unable to afford a Win7 phone, is that an impediment to development, or can I fake it using the IDE? Arthur On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Shamil > > Yes, I've even signed up at the App Hub: > > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/home/about/developer_registration_walkthrough > > as we received a one-year subscription in favour of the registration fee > (only ~USD18.00). > > Also, I learned that more attention should be payed to Microsoft > Expression Blend. This is an amazing design environment capable of all > sorts of web-centric graphics, including animations, and with a amazing > Windows Phone graphics designer and emulator featuring drag-n-drop design > of many things with automatic sync to and from a code window as well. You > have to work with it to believe it. Requires DirectX 10 minimum. > > It contains some additional tools/controls too, and I did see special > controls like the one for the alarm selector, but I can't remember the name > of the dlls. > > /gustav From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 10:34:34 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 11:34:34 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for that, Gustav. As it happens, I have an idea in mind for an app, which I may donate to the world (since I really don't see how to make loot from it, despite its demonstrable usefulness to a small minority of the populace). I'll grab the resources soon and knock together the first sketch of same. That prompts another question: supposing that I have everything installed to create an app, is it possible for me to send said files to you (or anyone else so equipped) so that you could load it and run it and criticize it and maybe even contribute additional modules to it? I ask this because the amount of data my app would require is huge. However, I can see this working (perhaps) in several ways: a) everything is somewhere in some cloud; b) the fifteen or twenty topics of interest can be downloaded into your phone; c) a mix of both, in which your core interests are stored in your phone, but you still have access to the whole repository, and ability to add new selections to your core interests, which causes immediate download to your phone/tablet/whatever. Without giving the whole idea away, it's an encyclopedia for engineers, construction contractors, etc. I already have created a bunch of the tables required for such an app, but I have several thousand more to go, until it's the ultimate reference. Thx, A. On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Arthur > > You can fake it - actually are expected to do so during development - > using the Windows Phone 7 Emulator (from the free SDK) which on-screen > mimics most things. It requires 800 MB of ram and DirectX 10 graphics > minimum. > > /gustav > > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 9 10:52:49 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 17:52:49 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Arthur Feel free. I think your option c) would be fine but it would depend a lot on how your data should be browsed. Data communication with WP7 is somewhat special as you will not have, say, a direct connection to an SQL Server. If I recall correctly, everything is done via web services. As you describe your app, it sounds like a pro tool that could be charged for. I mean: How many amateur construction contractors exist out there? In the Third World perhaps ...? /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 09-12-2011 17:34 >>> Thanks for that, Gustav. As it happens, I have an idea in mind for an app, which I may donate to the world (since I really don't see how to make loot from it, despite its demonstrable usefulness to a small minority of the populace). I'll grab the resources soon and knock together the first sketch of same. That prompts another question: supposing that I have everything installed to create an app, is it possible for me to send said files to you (or anyone else so equipped) so that you could load it and run it and criticize it and maybe even contribute additional modules to it? I ask this because the amount of data my app would require is huge. However, I can see this working (perhaps) in several ways: a) everything is somewhere in some cloud; b) the fifteen or twenty topics of interest can be downloaded into your phone; c) a mix of both, in which your core interests are stored in your phone, but you still have access to the whole repository, and ability to add new selections to your core interests, which causes immediate download to your phone/tablet/whatever. Without giving the whole idea away, it's an encyclopedia for engineers, construction contractors, etc. I already have created a bunch of the tables required for such an app, but I have several thousand more to go, until it's the ultimate reference. Thx, A. On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Arthur > > You can fake it - actually are expected to do so during development - > using the Windows Phone 7 Emulator (from the free SDK) which on-screen > mimics most things. It requires 800 MB of ram and DirectX 10 graphics > minimum. > > /gustav From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 11:51:49 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 12:51:49 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You have a point! Aside from students, the only other market is professionals. Point taken. I'm thinking of a $6.54 price point. It sort of rhymes. A. From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Dec 9 13:11:07 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 23:11:07 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Gustav, Ok, I will also register for App Hub. Thank you. Shamil P.S. Replied from Nokia Lumia 800 - rural area 70+ km from St.Petersburg 09 ??????? 2011, 18:37 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > Yes, I've even signed up at the App Hub: > > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/home/about/developer_registration_walkthrough > > as we received a one-year subscription in favour of the registration fee (only > ~USD18.00). > > Also, I learned that more attention should be payed to Microsoft Expression > Blend. This is an amazing design environment capable of all sorts of > web-centric graphics, including animations, and with a amazing Windows Phone > graphics designer and emulator featuring drag-n-drop design of many things > with automatic sync to and from a code window as well. You have to work with > it to believe it. Requires DirectX 10 minimum. > > It contains some additional tools/controls too, and I did see special controls > like the one for the alarm selector, but I can't remember the name of the > dlls. > > /gustav > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 09-12-2011 13:18 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Thank you for your information. > So you're ready to start your custom Windows Phone 7.5 Development? > > Did they tell how "scrolling selection" UI feature is implemented, e.g. when > you set date (selecting day, month, year) while setting a calendar > appointment? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > 09 ??????? 2011, 15:56 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > Hi all > > > > I went to the two-day course in programming Windows Phone 7. A developer > track and a UX track were offered; I picked the UX track as I found it best to > have a solid foundation here - the coding stuff is easier to pick up later. > > > > That was a good pick. The session was lead by Arturo Toledo, Sr. User > Experience Designer at Microsoft for the Windows Phone Design Studio. > > He also runs a comprehensive site which I believe contains or links to > anything you may wish to know about design for WP7: > > > > http://ux.artu.tv/ > > > > His partner was Jared Potter (Design Integration Lead) - also called the > Pixel Manager as his team approves any graphics going to the phone interface. > > > > Should you ever come across a session with either of these, do sign in. They > know just about anything about what's happening at the screen surface of a > Windows Phone, and both are men of great humour who it's a pleasure to spend > some time with. > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> Gustav at cactus.dk 02-12-2011 22:17 >>> > > Hi Shamil et al > > > > Very well! > > > > Quite often app development starts with just some sketches. I've learned > that this is called UX sketching (for User eXperience). > > > > Tools exist for this. Here is one by Sara Summers for the panorama view of > Metro: > > > > http://www.uxarray.com/2010/11/18/prototyping-sketch-sheets-wp7/ > > > > and the sheet to print and cut and draw upon: > > > http://www.uxarray.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/PaperPrototype_Sketchbook_WP7_Metro.pdf > > > > Another one by Rashid Ali is here: > > Windows Phone 7 UX Sketch Templates > > http://blog.merrycode.com/windows-phone-7-ux-sketch-templates/ > > > > The official guide is here: > > User Experience Design Guidelines for Windows Phone > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202915(v=VS.92).aspx > > > > Also, a single, full download of everything needed to get started with WP7+ > development is here: > > Windows Phone SDK 7.1 > > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27570 > > > > The Windows Phone SDK includes a major collection of software: > > > > * Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Express for Windows Phone > > * Windows Phone Emulator > > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Assemblies > > * Silverlight 4 SDK and DRT > > * Windows Phone SDK 7.1 Extensions for XNA Game Studio 4.0 > > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone 7 > > * Microsoft Expression Blend SDK for Windows Phone OS 7.1 > > * WCF Data Services Client for Window Phone > > * Microsoft Advertising SDK for Windows Phone > > > > Please note the upscaled system requirements. No WinXP here, and DirectX 9 > is an absolute minimum (DirectX 10 is needed for games). The 3 GB is a minimum > too, as the Windows Phone Emulator (which on-screen mimics a physical phone) > alone eats a whopping 800 MB. > > > > Note that the Ultimate ($)version of Expression Blend does feature > SketchFlow to create sketches on screen: > > > > > http://blogs.microsoft.nl/blogs/ux/archive/2011/06/16/sketchflow-for-windows-phone-the-real-one.aspx > > > > As for the Northwind.Net porting to WP7, I'll have to think about it. Some > challenge - both for the UI design as well as the database connection. Not the > first project to work with for me. > > > > Finally, don't forget the free 1000-page Microsoft Press ebook: Programming > Windows Phone 7: > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24519 > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> > > Hi All -- > > > > FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. > > > > First impression: it's a very nice toy and a very user friendly device. :) > > > > I have never used smart-phones before (I have been waiting when something > useful will come released by MS) - and here I have got it. > > > > One have to touch it, feel its weight and to use it to get a feeling how > well it's done - Gustav noted here at Access-D/dba-VB several times how smooth > his Windows phone is - and now I understand Gustav :) > > > > And, again as Gustav noted here previously, getting accustomed to use this > device virtual keyboard takes a few minutes - and I have never felt myself > comfortable with mobile phones keyboards when typing SMS messages - but with > Windows Phone virtual keyboard typing text is an easy exercise, even using one > hand to keep the phone and the same hand palm's just one finger - the thumb > one - I can type text rather quickly - well done! > > > > I have got connected to my Wi-Fi WAP and used Windows Phone to browse > Internet, follow hyperlinks, type search keywords and run searches - nice! > > > > Now an interesting and useful challenge would be to make our Northwind.Net > project's (http://northwind.codeplex.com/) ASP.NET version with Windows Phone > 7.5 friendly UI - anybody interested to discuss/participate in such a project > with deadline currently set for, say, 6 months? > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com From hans.andersen at phulse.com Fri Dec 9 13:14:34 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 11:14:34 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9FF29215-68B6-4AE3-979E-38103904348A@phulse.com> There are emulators for all platforms - android, iphone, blackberry and windows phone. Very handy when you want to experiment with a platform that you do not own or is new to you. - Hans Sent from my iPhone On 2011-12-09, at 8:18 AM, "Gustav Brock" wrote: > Hi Arthur > > You can fake it - actually are expected to do so during development - using the Windows Phone 7 Emulator (from the free SDK) which on-screen mimics most things. It requires 800 MB of ram and DirectX 10 graphics minimum. > > /gustav > > >>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 09-12-2011 17:06 >>> > Being unable to afford a Win7 phone, is that an impediment to development, > or can I fake it using the IDE? > > Arthur > > On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > >> Hi Shamil >> >> Yes, I've even signed up at the App Hub: >> >> http://create.msdn.com/en-US/home/about/developer_registration_walkthrough >> >> as we received a one-year subscription in favour of the registration fee >> (only ~USD18.00). >> >> Also, I learned that more attention should be payed to Microsoft >> Expression Blend. This is an amazing design environment capable of all >> sorts of web-centric graphics, including animations, and with a amazing >> Windows Phone graphics designer and emulator featuring drag-n-drop design >> of many things with automatic sync to and from a code window as well. You >> have to work with it to believe it. Requires DirectX 10 minimum. >> >> It contains some additional tools/controls too, and I did see special >> controls like the one for the alarm selector, but I can't remember the name >> of the dlls. >> >> /gustav > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Dec 9 14:50:25 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 00:50:25 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arthur -- You can emulate WinPhone 7 http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff402563(v=vs.92).aspx... Thank you. -- Shamil 09 ??????? 2011, 20:07 ?? Arthur Fuller : > Being unable to afford a Win7 phone, is that an impediment to development, > or can I fake it using the IDE? > > Arthur > > On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi Shamil > > > > Yes, I've even signed up at the App Hub: > > > > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/home/about/developer_registration_walkthrough > > > > as we received a one-year subscription in favour of the registration fee > > (only ~USD18.00). > > > > Also, I learned that more attention should be payed to Microsoft > > Expression Blend. This is an amazing design environment capable of all > > sorts of web-centric graphics, including animations, and with a amazing > > Windows Phone graphics designer and emulator featuring drag-n-drop design > > of many things with automatic sync to and from a code window as well. You > > have to work with it to believe it. Requires DirectX 10 minimum. > > > > It contains some additional tools/controls too, and I did see special > > controls like the one for the alarm selector, but I can't remember the name > > of the dlls. > > > > /gustav > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From gustav at cactus.dk Sun Dec 11 04:45:04 2011 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 11:45:04 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil et al Did you enjoy the footage of the launch in London on Nov. 28th of your Lumia 800 phone? One of the most ambitious projection events ever made using 16 high-power cinema video projectors to light up the 120 m tall Millbank Tower from a 300 meters distance at the other side of the river Thems - with state of the art 3D graphics joined by live music performed by DeadMau5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX2Gd-kqV5s Some background here: http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/11/29/nokia-brings-down-the-hua5-with-deadmau5/ and in the obtuse teaser video (watch closely for details): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlr6tXi7LoU /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> Hi All -- FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun Dec 11 11:08:08 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 21:08:08 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- No, I didn't. I just wanted to get WP 7.5 from Nokia as I recently have had issues with rather simple smart-phone form Samsung and I have never had any issues with Nokia phones. But I currently suppose I did make my purchase in a hurry - I didn't evaluate all the available/soon to be available options - Samsung OMNIA 7 have just been released and it's 1/3 less expensive. And I have got purchased Samsung Fit (with Android) to my kid before I have got my Nokia Lumia 800, and I must admit that Samsung Fit "toy", which is only 1/3 price of Nokia Lumia 800 impresses me and it has some features (camera, free games, even keyboard) which do outperform/look more useful/user-friendly IMO/come free comparing to my Nokia Lumia 800... Anyway, I'm "bound" to MS and so I have to adapt to what I have got :) This WP7 "Metro" (?) interface usability is questionable for me currently, and WP7 AMOLED surface sensibility is too sensible IMO - is there any way to make it less sensible till I'll get adapted to it? :) That promise to be very interesting how MS with their mobile phones manufacturing partners will get their current OS, device and its interface evolved in a more user-friendly thing as e.g. my kid's Samsung Fit with Android is now... Thank you. -- Shamil 11 ??????? 2011, 14:41 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil et al > > Did you enjoy the footage of the launch in London on Nov. 28th of your Lumia 800 phone? One of the most ambitious projection events ever made using 16 high-power cinema video projectors to light up the 120 m tall Millbank Tower from a 300 meters distance at the other side of the river Thems - with state of the art 3D graphics joined by live music performed by DeadMau5: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX2Gd-kqV5s > > Some background here: > http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/11/29/nokia-brings-down-the-hua5-with-deadmau5/ > > and in the obtuse teaser video (watch closely for details): > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlr6tXi7LoU > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> > Hi All -- > > FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From gustav at cactus.dk Sun Dec 11 11:44:50 2011 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 18:44:50 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil That's how it is. New top-level models are always quite expensive - so was my Omnia7 a year ago, today it's an "old" model more moderately priced. I don't know of a way to tighten the sensibility - you may need to join one of the hacker/flashing-forums to gain knowledge, for example: http://forum.xda-developers.com/ /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 11-12-2011 18:08 >>> Hi Gustav -- No, I didn't. I just wanted to get WP 7.5 from Nokia as I recently have had issues with rather simple smart-phone form Samsung and I have never had any issues with Nokia phones. But I currently suppose I did make my purchase in a hurry - I didn't evaluate all the available/soon to be available options - Samsung OMNIA 7 have just been released and it's 1/3 less expensive. And I have got purchased Samsung Fit (with Android) to my kid before I have got my Nokia Lumia 800, and I must admit that Samsung Fit "toy", which is only 1/3 price of Nokia Lumia 800 impresses me and it has some features (camera, free games, even keyboard) which do outperform/look more useful/user-friendly IMO/come free comparing to my Nokia Lumia 800... Anyway, I'm "bound" to MS and so I have to adapt to what I have got :) This WP7 "Metro" (?) interface usability is questionable for me currently, and WP7 AMOLED surface sensibility is too sensible IMO - is there any way to make it less sensible till I'll get adapted to it? :) That promise to be very interesting how MS with their mobile phones manufacturing partners will get their current OS, device and its interface evolved in a more user-friendly thing as e.g. my kid's Samsung Fit with Android is now... Thank you. -- Shamil 11 ??????? 2011, 14:41 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil et al > > Did you enjoy the footage of the launch in London on Nov. 28th of your Lumia 800 phone? One of the most ambitious projection events ever made using 16 high-power cinema video projectors to light up the 120 m tall Millbank Tower from a 300 meters distance at the other side of the river Thems - with state of the art 3D graphics joined by live music performed by DeadMau5: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX2Gd-kqV5s > > Some background here: > http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/11/29/nokia-brings-down-the-hua5-with-deadmau5/ > > and in the obtuse teaser video (watch closely for details): > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlr6tXi7LoU > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 02-12-2011 01:11 >>> > Hi All -- > > FYI:* I have got purchased today Nokia Lumia 800 with WP 7.5 Mango. > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 14:07:09 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 15:07:09 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Control tab order in C# Message-ID: I'm just starting out, so forgive the simple question. How do I control the tab order of a collection of textBoxes within a given Windows form? TIA, Arthur -- Cell: 647.710.1314 Thirty spokes converge on a hub but it's the emptiness that makes a wheel work -- from the Daodejing From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun Dec 11 14:41:17 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 00:41:17 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Control_tab_order_in_C=23?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arthur -- With Windows form opened in design mode IDE menu entry View -> Tab Order toggles tab order setting mode - when it's 'On' you'll see the current tab order. To change tab order just click on controls in the the sequence you wanted them to be "tab ordered". Thank you. -- Shamil 12 ??????? 2011, 00:07 ?? Arthur Fuller : > I'm just starting out, so forgive the simple question. How do I control the > tab order of a collection of textBoxes within a given Windows form? > > TIA, > Arthur > > -- > Cell: 647.710.1314 > > Thirty spokes converge on a hub > but it's the emptiness > that makes a wheel work > -- from the Daodejing > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 07:13:00 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 08:13:00 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Control tab order in C# In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's where I expected to find it, but I don't see it there. I'm using VC# 2010 Express. Maybe it's not in that version? A. On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi Arthur -- > > With Windows form opened in design mode IDE menu entry > > View -> Tab Order > > toggles tab order setting mode - when it's 'On' you'll see the current tab > order. > To change tab order just click on controls in the the sequence you wanted > them to be "tab ordered". > > From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Mon Dec 12 08:53:28 2011 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:53:28 +0000 Subject: [dba-VB] Control tab order in C# In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you mean the tab order of a field on a form, same as usual in my version I have just installed at home, I created a form placed a textbox on t, right click, properties and you can change the tab order number there, just above the tab stop being true or false. On 12 December 2011 13:13, Arthur Fuller wrote: > That's where I expected to find it, but I don't see it there. I'm using VC# > 2010 Express. Maybe it's not in that version? > A. > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil >wrote: > > > Hi Arthur -- > > > > With Windows form opened in design mode IDE menu entry > > > > View -> Tab Order > > > > toggles tab order setting mode - when it's 'On' you'll see the current > tab > > order. > > To change tab order just click on controls in the the sequence you wanted > > them to be "tab ordered". > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 10:40:21 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:40:21 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Control tab order in C# In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ah! I'll try that in a moment. I was looking on the View menu as in Access. Thanks. Arthur On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Paul Hartland wrote: > If you mean the tab order of a field on a form, same as usual in my version > I have just installed at home, I created a form placed a textbox on t, > right click, properties and you can change the tab order number there, > just above the tab stop being true or false. > > From marklbreen at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 16:54:32 2011 From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 22:54:32 +0000 Subject: [dba-VB] How to problematically (or by other automation) control an ActiveX control in IE Message-ID: Hello All, I arrived into a customer today with the intention of preparing for a project to automate a process for placing orders in an online database. The process today is that the user sits for four hours and copy and pastes from Excel into a browser. I was hoping to use Selenium to automate that. However, I was disappointed to note that the website is actually an ActiveX control running in IE. That leaves me with options such as a) using other macro software, attempt to automate the process b) find out how to programatically manipulate an ActiveX c) some other option not thought of yet. I am asking the list whether you have any advice to give? If this ActiveX has been installed on the PC and runs well, how difficult would it be to execute all the functionality it offers? I may have no documentation. Does my question even make sense? Your advice, as always, is appreciated. thanks Mark PS, Happy Birthday to Rocky From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Mon Dec 12 17:27:08 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:27:08 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] How to problematically (or by other automation) control an ActiveX control in IE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EE68DCC.24699.DD6B17B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Two approaches which I would use in this situation: 1. Put Wireshark or similar on the PC and monitor the HTTP(S?) traffic when orders are being placed with the current system. Then you'll know exactly what needs to be sent to the online application and what responses it generates. Having done that, decide if it feasible to write another application to send and receive the same HTTP(S?) traffic. (Hint PowerBASIC is great for that sort of thing ) If that it is not feasible: - 2. Write an AutoIt application to extract the data from the spreadsheet and feed it to the ActiveX screen. -- Stuart On 12 Dec 2011 at 22:54, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello All, > > I arrived into a customer today with the intention of preparing for a > project to automate a process for placing orders in an online database. > > The process today is that the user sits for four hours and copy and pastes > from Excel into a browser. I was hoping to use Selenium to automate that. > > However, I was disappointed to note that the website is actually an ActiveX > control running in IE. > > That leaves me with options such as > > a) using other macro software, attempt to automate the process > b) find out how to programatically manipulate an ActiveX > c) some other option not thought of yet. > > I am asking the list whether you have any advice to give? If this ActiveX > has been installed on the PC and runs well, how difficult would it be to > execute all the functionality it offers? I may have no documentation. > > Does my question even make sense? > > Your advice, as always, is appreciated. > > thanks > > Mark > > PS, Happy Birthday to Rocky > _______________________________________________ > dba-SQLServer mailing list > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From fhtapia at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 12:58:06 2011 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:58:06 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] [dba-SQLServer] How to problematically (or by other automation) control an ActiveX control in IE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: First, Happy belated birthday Rocky! Second, Does the customer have control of the online database? if so the automation could just be made at the Excel spreadsheet to push out to the online db. right? if it's a 3rd party database, then automation might just be key, take a look at http://www.autohotkey.com/ we use it here to help control our touchscreen kiosk. -Francisco http://bit.ly/sqlthis | Tsql and More... On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 14:54, Mark Breen wrote: > Hello All, > > I arrived into a customer today with the intention of preparing for a > project to automate a process for placing orders in an online database. > > The process today is that the user sits for four hours and copy and pastes > from Excel into a browser. I was hoping to use Selenium to automate that. > > However, I was disappointed to note that the website is actually an ActiveX > control running in IE. > > That leaves me with options such as > > a) using other macro software, attempt to automate the process > b) find out how to programatically manipulate an ActiveX > c) some other option not thought of yet. > > I am asking the list whether you have any advice to give? If this ActiveX > has been installed on the PC and runs well, how difficult would it be to > execute all the functionality it offers? I may have no documentation. > > Does my question even make sense? > > Your advice, as always, is appreciated. > > thanks > > Mark > > PS, Happy Birthday to Rocky > _______________________________________________ > dba-SQLServer mailing list > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From fhtapia at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 13:48:34 2011 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:48:34 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] Sql Server 2008 VTF and SQL CLR Message-ID: have any of you worked with Table Valued Functions yet? I know how to create a SQL value table function in pure TSQL, but getting one to work that's built off of SQL CLR is something new entirely to me :phew: My sample here is simple, but the idea is that I'm going to be calling a webservice to collect some data. I'd like to have at least a two column table returned so that I can create labels or maybe a multi-column with the appropriate column name. here is my working code from c# and this does yield me a working returned table. As always your help is appreciated! [Microsoft.SqlServer.Server.SqlFunction(FillRowMethodName = "getFillRow", TableDefinition = "Field1 nvarchar(20)")] public static IEnumerable fngetTEST(string strSomeInput) { ArrayList myList = new ArrayList(); myList.Add("test1"); myList.Add("test2"); return new ArrayList(myList); } private static void getFillRow(object obj, out SqlString strField1 ) { strField1 = Convert.ToString(obj); } -Francisco http://bit.ly/sqlthis | Tsql and More... From fhtapia at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 18:38:03 2011 From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 16:38:03 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] Sql Server 2008 VTF and SQL CLR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: this works now... working demo code: private class myRows { public SqlInt32 PKID; public SqlString strValue; public myRows(SqlInt32 pkid, SqlString strvalue) { PKID = pkid; strValue = strvalue; } } [Microsoft.SqlServer.Server.SqlFunction(FillRowMethodName = "getFillRow", TableDefinition = "pkid int,Field1 nvarchar(20)")] public static IEnumerable fngetTEST(string strSomeInput) { ArrayList myArray = new ArrayList(); myArray.Add(new myRows(0, "Field1")); myArray.Add(new myRows(1, "Field2")); myArray.Add(new myRows(2, "Field3")); myArray.Add(new myRows(3, "Field4")); return new ArrayList(myArray); } private static void getFillRow( object arrayObj, out SqlInt32 intPKID, out SqlString strField1 ) { myRows MyRows = (myRows)arrayObj; intPKID = MyRows.PKID; strField1 = MyRows.strValue; } -Francisco http://bit.ly/sqlthis | Tsql and More... On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 11:48, Francisco Tapia wrote: > have any of you worked with Table Valued Functions yet? I know how to > create a SQL value table function in pure TSQL, but getting one to work > that's built off of SQL CLR is something new entirely to me :phew: My > sample here is simple, but the idea is that I'm going to be calling a > webservice to collect some data. I'd like to have at least a two column > table returned so that I can create labels or maybe a multi-column with the > appropriate column name. > > here is my working code from c# and this does yield me a working returned > table. > > As always your help is appreciated! > > [Microsoft.SqlServer.Server.SqlFunction(FillRowMethodName = "getFillRow", > TableDefinition = "Field1 nvarchar(20)")] > public static IEnumerable fngetTEST(string strSomeInput) > { > ArrayList myList = new ArrayList(); > myList.Add("test1"); > myList.Add("test2"); > return new ArrayList(myList); > } > private static void getFillRow(object obj, > out SqlString strField1 > > ) > { > strField1 = Convert.ToString(obj); > } > > > -Francisco > http://bit.ly/sqlthis | Tsql and More... > > > > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sat Dec 17 12:28:18 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 22:28:18 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Sql_Server_2008_VTF_and_SQL_CLR?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Francisco -- Thank you for your sample code. I will put it in my code snippets. -- Shamil 17 ??????? 2011, 04:39 ?? Francisco Tapia : > this works now... > > working demo code: > > private class myRows > { > public SqlInt32 PKID; > public SqlString strValue; > > public myRows(SqlInt32 pkid, SqlString strvalue) > { > PKID = pkid; > strValue = strvalue; > } > } > [Microsoft.SqlServer.Server.SqlFunction(FillRowMethodName = > "getFillRow", > TableDefinition = "pkid int,Field1 nvarchar(20)")] > public static IEnumerable fngetTEST(string strSomeInput) > { > > ArrayList myArray = new ArrayList(); > > myArray.Add(new myRows(0, "Field1")); > myArray.Add(new myRows(1, "Field2")); > myArray.Add(new myRows(2, "Field3")); > myArray.Add(new myRows(3, "Field4")); > > return new ArrayList(myArray); > > } > private static void getFillRow( > object arrayObj, > out SqlInt32 intPKID, > out SqlString strField1 > ) > { > myRows MyRows = (myRows)arrayObj; > intPKID = MyRows.PKID; > strField1 = MyRows.strValue; > > } > > -Francisco > http://bit.ly/sqlthis | Tsql and More... > > > On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 11:48, Francisco Tapia wrote: > > > have any of you worked with Table Valued Functions yet? I know how to > > create a SQL value table function in pure TSQL, but getting one to work > > that's built off of SQL CLR is something new entirely to me :phew: My > > sample here is simple, but the idea is that I'm going to be calling a > > webservice to collect some data. I'd like to have at least a two column > > table returned so that I can create labels or maybe a multi-column with the > > appropriate column name. > > > > here is my working code from c# and this does yield me a working returned > > table. > > > > As always your help is appreciated! > > > > [Microsoft.SqlServer.Server.SqlFunction(FillRowMethodName = "getFillRow", > > TableDefinition = "Field1 nvarchar(20)")] > > public static IEnumerable fngetTEST(string strSomeInput) > > { > > ArrayList myList = new ArrayList(); > > myList.Add("test1"); > > myList.Add("test2"); > > return new ArrayList(myList); > > } > > private static void getFillRow(object obj, > > out SqlString strField1 > > > > ) > > { > > strField1 = Convert.ToString(obj); > > } > > > > > > -Francisco > > http://bit.ly/sqlthis | Tsql and More... > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From gustav at cactus.dk Sun Dec 18 07:25:34 2011 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 14:25:34 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil Finally, today I installed the latest version 7.5 Mango on our phones. Looks exiting. Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time. One, however, I've missed - a QR code reader. /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 03-12-2011 00:42 >>> Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your notes and links - I have got a few other ones (see P.S.), which allowed me to start WP7 test development I have already got all the development stuff installed and I can create WP7 solutions, build and run them in emulation mode on my PC... So we are just two here - happy owners on Windows Phone 7/7.5? Anybody else? BTW, I have given my WP7.5 to play to my son (he is 10+ years old) and to compare to his Samsung Fit with Android 2.x - and my son wasn't impressed by my WP at all :( (:) Yes, MS has to do quite a lot on this "frontline" to get kids and teens "back to Windows (Phones)". "Angry Birds", "Doodle Jump" and many other popular games are free for Android - very important option for kids. Even with 1-3USD price for "Angry Birds" and "Doodle Jump" MS risks to miss WP market for children... Have you got registered on Windows Phone Development Registration page http://create.msdn.com/en-US/ ? I'm considering registering there if it will give some additional information on WP7, if not, then I will stay unregistered till I'll get something ready to publish on that site. Registration is 99USD/year. I'm also interested will WP7.5 Internet Tethering work here in Russia with my mobile provider or not (http://www.winrumors.com/windows-phone-7-5-internet-tethering-feature-only-available-on-new-devices/) - they say this feature is opened/blocked by mobile operators. I have mobile USB modem which I use with my laptop when on the road or outside of my broadband Internet connection - if WP7 Internet Tethering will be available here then I will use it instead of USB modem... From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Dec 19 02:13:01 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:13:01 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? Thank you. -- Shamil 18 ??????? 2011, 17:21 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > Finally, today I installed the latest version 7.5 Mango on our phones. > Looks exiting. Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time. One, however, I've missed - a QR code reader. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 03-12-2011 00:42 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Thank you for your notes and links - I have got a few other ones (see P.S.), which allowed me to start WP7 test development > I have already got all the development stuff installed and I can create WP7 solutions, build and run them in emulation mode on my PC... > > So we are just two here - happy owners on Windows Phone 7/7.5? > Anybody else? > > BTW, I have given my WP7.5 to play to my son (he is 10+ years old) and to compare to his Samsung Fit with Android 2.x - and my son wasn't impressed by my WP at all :( (:) > Yes, MS has to do quite a lot on this "frontline" to get kids and teens "back to Windows (Phones)". > "Angry Birds", "Doodle Jump" and many other popular games are free for Android - very important option for kids. > Even with 1-3USD price for "Angry Birds" and "Doodle Jump" MS risks to miss WP market for children... > > Have you got registered on > > Windows Phone Development Registration page > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/ ? > > I'm considering registering there if it will give some additional information on WP7, if not, then I will stay unregistered till I'll get something ready to publish on that site. Registration is 99USD/year. > > I'm also interested will WP7.5 Internet Tethering work here in Russia with my mobile provider or not (http://www.winrumors.com/windows-phone-7-5-internet-tethering-feature-only-available-on-new-devices/) - they say this feature is opened/blocked by mobile operators. I have mobile USB modem which I use with my laptop when on the road or outside of my broadband Internet connection - if WP7 Internet Tethering will be available here then I will use it instead of USB modem... > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Dec 19 03:59:29 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 10:59:29 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil Yes, I found one (free) which reads common barcodes as EAN/UPC, PDF417, Datamatrix, as well as QR-codes: Leadtools Barcode Demo It works very well and is intended to demonstrate a SDK offered by Leadtools. /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 09:13 >>> Hi Gustav -- Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? Thank you. -- Shamil 18 ??????? 2011, 17:21 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > Finally, today I installed the latest version 7.5 Mango on our phones. > Looks exiting. Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time. One, however, I've missed - a QR code reader. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 03-12-2011 00:42 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Thank you for your notes and links - I have got a few other ones (see P.S.), which allowed me to start WP7 test development > I have already got all the development stuff installed and I can create WP7 solutions, build and run them in emulation mode on my PC... > > So we are just two here - happy owners on Windows Phone 7/7.5? > Anybody else? > > BTW, I have given my WP7.5 to play to my son (he is 10+ years old) and to compare to his Samsung Fit with Android 2.x - and my son wasn't impressed by my WP at all :( (:) > Yes, MS has to do quite a lot on this "frontline" to get kids and teens "back to Windows (Phones)". > "Angry Birds", "Doodle Jump" and many other popular games are free for Android - very important option for kids. > Even with 1-3USD price for "Angry Birds" and "Doodle Jump" MS risks to miss WP market for children... > > Have you got registered on > > Windows Phone Development Registration page > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/ ? > > I'm considering registering there if it will give some additional information on WP7, if not, then I will stay unregistered till I'll get something ready to publish on that site. Registration is 99USD/year. > > I'm also interested will WP7.5 Internet Tethering work here in Russia with my mobile provider or not (http://www.winrumors.com/windows-phone-7-5-internet-tethering-feature-only-available-on-new-devices/) - they say this feature is opened/blocked by mobile operators. I have mobile USB modem which I use with my laptop when on the road or outside of my broadband Internet connection - if WP7 Internet Tethering will be available here then I will use it instead of USB modem... > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Dec 19 05:40:29 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 15:40:29 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your reply. ? Did you try http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/search?q=Barcode%20Reader it returns a set of available programs Microsoft? Tag Reader Ratings: 564 Free Pic2shop Ratings: 98 Free QuickMark Ratings: 79 Free Butterkiss QR Scanner Ratings: 22 Free PSA barcode scanner Ratings: 66 $1.99 Barcode Reader Ratings: 12 Free Quick Reader Ratings: 78 Free NeoReader Ratings: 19Free QRCode ReaderRatings: 12 $0.99 Fun2D_QR_Code_ReaderRatings: 12 Free Barcode Scanner Ratings: 6 Free i-nigma Ratings: 6 Free QuickBarcodeReader No ratings Free Let's try to evaluate them although I must note I have not that much experience with working with barcodes and QR code. I'd be interested to find and purchase a program which will reliably and quickly read barcodes (and QR codes) , will send them to a web service (which can be defined in program settings) and gets back (maybe in another program which will run on WP7 in parallel) some information about a product/services, which barcode was scanned/shot by camera Thank you. -- Shamil 19 ??????? 2011, 13:55 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > Yes, I found one (free) which reads common barcodes as EAN/UPC, PDF417, Datamatrix, as well as QR-codes: > > Leadtools Barcode Demo > > It works very well and is intended to demonstrate a SDK offered by Leadtools. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 09:13 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". > And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > 18 ??????? 2011, 17:21 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > Hi Shamil > > > > Finally, today I installed the latest version 7.5 Mango on our phones. > > Looks exiting. Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time. One, however, I've missed - a QR code reader. > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 03-12-2011 00:42 >>> > > Hi Gustav -- > > > > Thank you for your notes and links - I have got a few other ones (see P.S.), which allowed me to start WP7 test development > > I have already got all the development stuff installed and I can create WP7 solutions, build and run them in emulation mode on my PC... > > > > So we are just two here - happy owners on Windows Phone 7/7.5? > > Anybody else? > > > > BTW, I have given my WP7.5 to play to my son (he is 10+ years old) and to compare to his Samsung Fit with Android 2.x - and my son wasn't impressed by my WP at all :( (:) > > Yes, MS has to do quite a lot on this "frontline" to get kids and teens "back to Windows (Phones)". > > "Angry Birds", "Doodle Jump" and many other popular games are free for Android - very important option for kids. > > Even with 1-3USD price for "Angry Birds" and "Doodle Jump" MS risks to miss WP market for children... > > > > Have you got registered on > > > > Windows Phone Development Registration page > > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/ ? > > > > I'm considering registering there if it will give some additional information on WP7, if not, then I will stay unregistered till I'll get something ready to publish on that site. Registration is 99USD/year. > > > > I'm also interested will WP7.5 Internet Tethering work here in Russia with my mobile provider or not (http://www.winrumors.com/windows-phone-7-5-internet-tethering-feature-only-available-on-new-devices/) - they say this feature is opened/blocked by mobile operators. I have mobile USB modem which I use with my laptop when on the road or outside of my broadband Internet connection - if WP7 Internet Tethering will be available here then I will use it instead of USB modem... > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Mon Dec 19 06:15:03 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 13:15:03 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil No, I picked the Leadtools app because its description sounded trustworthy and it was free. As it proved to work clever and reliable, I haven't looked further. You click a code, a voice tells you if the app can read it, and next you are offered to search for the code if a barcode was found, or - if a QR-code - it just looks up the URL. Later research showed that they label themselves as "The World Leader in Imaging SDKs" which may not be false. I don't know, but the app works fine and, of course, uses their SDK for QR/barcode scanning. The SDK for Windows Phone is described here: http://www.leadtools.com/sdk/silverlight/windows-phone.htm Quite comprehensive and at a price ... cheapest package seems to be listed at USD 995 - well beyond my budget. For your purpose, custom programming is probably needed. I've seen some open-source projects for reading QR-codes and I guess you can find one as well for barcodes, but I haven't looked for such. /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 12:40 >>> Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your reply. ? Did you try http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/search?q=Barcode%20Reader it returns a set of available programs Microsoft? Tag Reader Ratings: 564 Free Pic2shop Ratings: 98 Free QuickMark Ratings: 79 Free Butterkiss QR Scanner Ratings: 22 Free PSA barcode scanner Ratings: 66 $1.99 Barcode Reader Ratings: 12 Free Quick Reader Ratings: 78 Free NeoReader Ratings: 19Free QRCode ReaderRatings: 12 $0.99 Fun2D_QR_Code_ReaderRatings: 12 Free Barcode Scanner Ratings: 6 Free i-nigma Ratings: 6 Free QuickBarcodeReader No ratings Free Let's try to evaluate them although I must note I have not that much experience with working with barcodes and QR code. I'd be interested to find and purchase a program which will reliably and quickly read barcodes (and QR codes) , will send them to a web service (which can be defined in program settings) and gets back (maybe in another program which will run on WP7 in parallel) some information about a product/services, which barcode was scanned/shot by camera Thank you. -- Shamil 19 ??????? 2011, 13:55 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > Yes, I found one (free) which reads common barcodes as EAN/UPC, PDF417, Datamatrix, as well as QR-codes: > > Leadtools Barcode Demo > > It works very well and is intended to demonstrate a SDK offered by Leadtools. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 09:13 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". > And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Dec 19 06:46:21 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 16:46:21 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your remark. I have got LeadTools Barcode Reader app installed on my WP7. Did you get managed to run its 'Live capture' feature? Any Barcode reading feature? Did you read comments here: http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/cbda342b-8fc5-4c9b-9063-079417a809e6 ? FYI: I have used LEADTools package for one of the applications for one of my customers. That was almost 10 years ago. And it was very impressive that times already. Yes, LEADTools should be reliablle ... and pricey. Yes, if you can find open source projects for bar code reading of QR-codes I'd be interested to look at it. Thank you. -- Shamil 19 ??????? 2011, 16:10 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > No, I picked the Leadtools app because its description sounded trustworthy and it was free. As it proved to work clever and reliable, I haven't looked further. > You click a code, a voice tells you if the app can read it, and next you are offered to search for the code if a barcode was found, or - if a QR-code - it just looks up the URL. > > Later research showed that they label themselves as "The World Leader in Imaging SDKs" which may not be false. I don't know, but the app works fine and, of course, uses their SDK for QR/barcode scanning. > > The SDK for Windows Phone is described here: > http://www.leadtools.com/sdk/silverlight/windows-phone.htm > > Quite comprehensive and at a price ... cheapest package seems to be listed at USD 995 - well beyond my budget. > > For your purpose, custom programming is probably needed. I've seen some open-source projects for reading QR-codes and I guess you can find one as well for barcodes, but I haven't looked for such. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 12:40 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Thank you for your reply. > > ? Did you try > > http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/search?q=Barcode%20Reader > > it returns a set of available programs > > Microsoft? Tag Reader Ratings: 564 Free > Pic2shop Ratings: 98 Free > QuickMark Ratings: 79 Free > Butterkiss QR Scanner Ratings: 22 Free > PSA barcode scanner Ratings: 66 $1.99 > Barcode Reader Ratings: 12 Free > Quick Reader Ratings: 78 Free > NeoReader Ratings: 19Free > QRCode ReaderRatings: 12 $0.99 > Fun2D_QR_Code_ReaderRatings: 12 Free > Barcode Scanner Ratings: 6 Free > i-nigma Ratings: 6 Free > QuickBarcodeReader No ratings Free > > Let's try to evaluate them although I must note I have not that much experience with working with barcodes and QR code. > > I'd be interested to find and purchase a program which will reliably and quickly read barcodes (and QR codes) , will send them to a web service (which can be defined in program settings) and gets back (maybe in another program which will run on WP7 in parallel) some information about a product/services, which barcode was scanned/shot by camera > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > 19 ??????? 2011, 13:55 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > Hi Shamil > > > > Yes, I found one (free) which reads common barcodes as EAN/UPC, PDF417, Datamatrix, as well as QR-codes: > > > > Leadtools Barcode Demo > > > > It works very well and is intended to demonstrate a SDK offered by Leadtools. > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 09:13 >>> > > Hi Gustav -- > > > > Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". > > And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Dec 19 07:05:07 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 17:05:07 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- Additional note: - LeadTools didn't work for me or I used it improperly, - Pic2Shop didn't work also but - i-nigma - http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/828c4e78-1d2b-4fd2-ad22-fde9c553e263 - worked well for flat surface printed barcodes and it even read bar code from a bottle of wine label... So I plan to remove LedTools and Pic2Shop and use i-nigma for technology demonstration purposes. Thank you. -- Shamil 19 ??????? 2011, 16:10 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > No, I picked the Leadtools app because its description sounded trustworthy and it was free. As it proved to work clever and reliable, I haven't looked further. > You click a code, a voice tells you if the app can read it, and next you are offered to search for the code if a barcode was found, or - if a QR-code - it just looks up the URL. > > Later research showed that they label themselves as "The World Leader in Imaging SDKs" which may not be false. I don't know, but the app works fine and, of course, uses their SDK for QR/barcode scanning. > > The SDK for Windows Phone is described here: > http://www.leadtools.com/sdk/silverlight/windows-phone.htm > > Quite comprehensive and at a price ... cheapest package seems to be listed at USD 995 - well beyond my budget. > > For your purpose, custom programming is probably needed. I've seen some open-source projects for reading QR-codes and I guess you can find one as well for barcodes, but I haven't looked for such. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 12:40 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Thank you for your reply. > > ? Did you try > > http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/search?q=Barcode%20Reader > > it returns a set of available programs > > Microsoft? Tag Reader Ratings: 564 Free > Pic2shop Ratings: 98 Free > QuickMark Ratings: 79 Free > Butterkiss QR Scanner Ratings: 22 Free > PSA barcode scanner Ratings: 66 $1.99 > Barcode Reader Ratings: 12 Free > Quick Reader Ratings: 78 Free > NeoReader Ratings: 19Free > QRCode ReaderRatings: 12 $0.99 > Fun2D_QR_Code_ReaderRatings: 12 Free > Barcode Scanner Ratings: 6 Free > i-nigma Ratings: 6 Free > QuickBarcodeReader No ratings Free > > Let's try to evaluate them although I must note I have not that much experience with working with barcodes and QR code. > > I'd be interested to find and purchase a program which will reliably and quickly read barcodes (and QR codes) , will send them to a web service (which can be defined in program settings) and gets back (maybe in another program which will run on WP7 in parallel) some information about a product/services, which barcode was scanned/shot by camera > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > 19 ??????? 2011, 13:55 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > Hi Shamil > > > > Yes, I found one (free) which reads common barcodes as EAN/UPC, PDF417, Datamatrix, as well as QR-codes: > > > > Leadtools Barcode Demo > > > > It works very well and is intended to demonstrate a SDK offered by Leadtools. > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 09:13 >>> > > Hi Gustav -- > > > > Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". > > And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Dec 19 13:14:39 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 23:14:39 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?jQuery_Mobile_1=2E0?= Message-ID: Hi All -- FYI: jQuery Mobile 1.0 http://jquerymobile.com/demos/1.0/? Thank you. -- Shamil? From mcp2004 at mail.ru Mon Dec 19 15:57:42 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 01:57:42 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav -- > Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of t Did you try to setup and use AppFlow? (free) http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/578ef361-c265-46b7-b6f4-63cbd7fbefe0 "Browse and discover apps in a new, engaging and beautiful way. AppFlow presents a unique way to explore the marketplace via its Lists, Discovery and Stats features." Thank you. -- Shamil 18 ??????? 2011, 17:21 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > Finally, today I installed the latest version 7.5 Mango on our phones. > Looks exiting. Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time. One, however, I've missed - a QR code reader. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 03-12-2011 00:42 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Thank you for your notes and links - I have got a few other ones (see P.S.), which allowed me to start WP7 test development > I have already got all the development stuff installed and I can create WP7 solutions, build and run them in emulation mode on my PC... > > So we are just two here - happy owners on Windows Phone 7/7.5? > Anybody else? > > BTW, I have given my WP7.5 to play to my son (he is 10+ years old) and to compare to his Samsung Fit with Android 2.x - and my son wasn't impressed by my WP at all :( (:) > Yes, MS has to do quite a lot on this "frontline" to get kids and teens "back to Windows (Phones)". > "Angry Birds", "Doodle Jump" and many other popular games are free for Android - very important option for kids. > Even with 1-3USD price for "Angry Birds" and "Doodle Jump" MS risks to miss WP market for children... > > Have you got registered on > > Windows Phone Development Registration page > http://create.msdn.com/en-US/ ? > > I'm considering registering there if it will give some additional information on WP7, if not, then I will stay unregistered till I'll get something ready to publish on that site. Registration is 99USD/year. > > I'm also interested will WP7.5 Internet Tethering work here in Russia with my mobile provider or not (http://www.winrumors.com/windows-phone-7-5-internet-tethering-feature-only-available-on-new-devices/) - they say this feature is opened/blocked by mobile operators. I have mobile USB modem which I use with my laptop when on the road or outside of my broadband Internet connection - if WP7 Internet Tethering will be available here then I will use it instead of USB modem... > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Mon Dec 19 23:58:43 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 21:58:43 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] jQuery Mobile 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <194C9F6A-82AC-4996-812C-5EF4EF228F11@phulse.com> I am a loyal jQuery fan, but jQuery Mobile still feels really slow compared to something like Sencha Touch. I was hoping they would have improved it significantly by now, but it appears that they just haven't been able to achieve as much as is necessary for a good, smooth experience. - Hans On 2011-12-19, at 11:14 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi All -- > > FYI: jQuery Mobile 1.0 > > http://jquerymobile.com/demos/1.0/ > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue Dec 20 00:18:06 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 10:18:06 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?jQuery_Mobile_1=2E0?= In-Reply-To: <194C9F6A-82AC-4996-812C-5EF4EF228F11@phulse.com> References: <194C9F6A-82AC-4996-812C-5EF4EF228F11@phulse.com> Message-ID: Hi Hans -- Thank you for your remark. I have tried on WP7 (Nokia Lumia 800) several jQuery Mobile demos from the link I've posted - and I have found it good, not perfect but good and smooth enough. I was unaware of Sencha Touch - I have found it now after your remark (http://www.sencha.com/products/touch) - I will check it. Although jQuery is a kind of "de-facto standard" JavaScript framework used even in ASP.NET ... Thank you. -- Shamil 20 ??????? 2011, 09:58 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : > I am a loyal jQuery fan, but jQuery Mobile still feels really slow compared to something like Sencha Touch. I was hoping they would have improved it significantly by now, but it appears that they just haven't been able to achieve as much as is necessary for a good, smooth experience. > > - Hans > > On 2011-12-19, at 11:14 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > > > Hi All -- > > > > FYI: jQuery Mobile 1.0 > > > > http://jquerymobile.com/demos/1.0/ > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Dec 20 00:38:27 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 22:38:27 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] jQuery Mobile 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <194C9F6A-82AC-4996-812C-5EF4EF228F11@phulse.com> Message-ID: <1C71E894-9B32-4DAD-9A2E-5092D5F65668@phulse.com> > Although jQuery is a kind of "de-facto standard" JavaScript framework used even in ASP.NET ? Agreed, but, in my case, I decided that I had to go with what felt like the best experience to a user. Hopefully they will get query on par with sencha touch, because, if they do, I will switch in a heartbeat. Give it a go. You will see what difference there is. - Hans On 2011-12-19, at 10:18 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi Hans -- > > Thank you for your remark. > > I have tried on WP7 (Nokia Lumia 800) several jQuery Mobile demos from the link I've posted - and I have found it good, not perfect but good and smooth enough. > > I was unaware of Sencha Touch - I have found it now after your remark (http://www.sencha.com/products/touch) - I will check it. > > Although jQuery is a kind of "de-facto standard" JavaScript framework used even in ASP.NET ... > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > 20 ??????? 2011, 09:58 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : >> I am a loyal jQuery fan, but jQuery Mobile still feels really slow compared to something like Sencha Touch. I was hoping they would have improved it significantly by now, but it appears that they just haven't been able to achieve as much as is necessary for a good, smooth experience. >> >> - Hans >> >> On 2011-12-19, at 11:14 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: >> >>> Hi All -- >>> >>> FYI: jQuery Mobile 1.0 >>> >>> http://jquerymobile.com/demos/1.0/ >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> -- Shamil >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-VB mailing list >>> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Dec 20 02:01:51 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 09:01:51 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil Thanks, i-nigma looks promising indeed. I'll check it out. Another reason to get hold on a bottle of wine ... /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 14:05 >>> Hi Gustav -- Additional note: - LeadTools didn't work for me or I used it improperly, - Pic2Shop didn't work also but - i-nigma - http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/828c4e78-1d2b-4fd2-ad22-fde9c553e263 - worked well for flat surface printed barcodes and it even read bar code from a bottle of wine label... So I plan to remove LedTools and Pic2Shop and use i-nigma for technology demonstration purposes. Thank you. -- Shamil 19 ??????? 2011, 16:10 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > No, I picked the Leadtools app because its description sounded trustworthy and it was free. As it proved to work clever and reliable, I haven't looked further. > You click a code, a voice tells you if the app can read it, and next you are offered to search for the code if a barcode was found, or - if a QR-code - it just looks up the URL. > > Later research showed that they label themselves as "The World Leader in Imaging SDKs" which may not be false. I don't know, but the app works fine and, of course, uses their SDK for QR/barcode scanning. > > The SDK for Windows Phone is described here: > http://www.leadtools.com/sdk/silverlight/windows-phone.htm > > Quite comprehensive and at a price ... cheapest package seems to be listed at USD 995 - well beyond my budget. > > For your purpose, custom programming is probably needed. I've seen some open-source projects for reading QR-codes and I guess you can find one as well for barcodes, but I haven't looked for such. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 12:40 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Thank you for your reply. > > ? Did you try > > http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/search?q=Barcode%20Reader > > it returns a set of available programs > > Microsoft? Tag Reader Ratings: 564 Free > Pic2shop Ratings: 98 Free > QuickMark Ratings: 79 Free > Butterkiss QR Scanner Ratings: 22 Free > PSA barcode scanner Ratings: 66 $1.99 > Barcode Reader Ratings: 12 Free > Quick Reader Ratings: 78 Free > NeoReader Ratings: 19Free > QRCode ReaderRatings: 12 $0.99 > Fun2D_QR_Code_ReaderRatings: 12 Free > Barcode Scanner Ratings: 6 Free > i-nigma Ratings: 6 Free > QuickBarcodeReader No ratings Free > > Let's try to evaluate them although I must note I have not that much experience with working with barcodes and QR code. > > I'd be interested to find and purchase a program which will reliably and quickly read barcodes (and QR codes) , will send them to a web service (which can be defined in program settings) and gets back (maybe in another program which will run on WP7 in parallel) some information about a product/services, which barcode was scanned/shot by camera > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > 19 ??????? 2011, 13:55 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > Hi Shamil > > > > Yes, I found one (free) which reads common barcodes as EAN/UPC, PDF417, Datamatrix, as well as QR-codes: > > > > Leadtools Barcode Demo > > > > It works very well and is intended to demonstrate a SDK offered by Leadtools. > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 09:13 >>> > > Hi Gustav -- > > > > Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". > > And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Dec 20 02:02:43 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 09:02:43 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil Thanks. No, I used the web page on my pc which allows for a better view of the screenshots. But this one looks very good if you only have the phone at hand. /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 22:57 >>> Hi Gustav -- > Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time Did you try to setup and use AppFlow? (free) http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/578ef361-c265-46b7-b6f4-63cbd7fbefe0 "Browse and discover apps in a new, engaging and beautiful way. AppFlow presents a unique way to explore the marketplace via its Lists, Discovery and Stats features." Thank you. -- Shamil From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue Dec 20 03:24:56 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:24:56 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?Windows_Phone_7=2E5_Mango_is_here=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav at all -- Have a look I have made a "micro research" on bar- and QR- code reading programs for WP7: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/BarCodeReaders.htm Yes, i-nigma is surely a "favorite toy" now but I didn't get setup a few programs mentioned in my research because they are not available on Russian market. The above page is a copy and paste from MS Excel worksheet. If you're interested in the published info please make a copy of it as I'm planning to remove this web page in a few days and probably publish a short note with this info on a Russian web site Thank you. -- Shamil 20 ??????? 2011, 11:57 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > Thanks, i-nigma looks promising indeed. I'll check it out. > Another reason to get hold on a bottle of wine ... > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 14:05 >>> > Hi Gustav -- > > Additional note: > > - LeadTools didn't work for me or I used it improperly, > - Pic2Shop didn't work also but > - i-nigma - http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/828c4e78-1d2b-4fd2-ad22-fde9c553e263 - worked well for flat surface printed barcodes and it even read bar code from a bottle of wine label... > > So I plan to remove LedTools and Pic2Shop and use i-nigma for technology demonstration purposes. > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > 19 ??????? 2011, 16:10 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > Hi Shamil > > > > No, I picked the Leadtools app because its description sounded trustworthy and it was free. As it proved to work clever and reliable, I haven't looked further. > > You click a code, a voice tells you if the app can read it, and next you are offered to search for the code if a barcode was found, or - if a QR-code - it just looks up the URL. > > > > Later research showed that they label themselves as "The World Leader in Imaging SDKs" which may not be false. I don't know, but the app works fine and, of course, uses their SDK for QR/barcode scanning. > > > > The SDK for Windows Phone is described here: > > http://www.leadtools.com/sdk/silverlight/windows-phone.htm > > > > Quite comprehensive and at a price ... cheapest package seems to be listed at USD 995 - well beyond my budget. > > > > For your purpose, custom programming is probably needed. I've seen some open-source projects for reading QR-codes and I guess you can find one as well for barcodes, but I haven't looked for such. > > > > /gustav > > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 12:40 >>> > > Hi Gustav -- > > > > Thank you for your reply. > > > > ? Did you try > > > > http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/search?q=Barcode%20Reader > > > > it returns a set of available programs > > > > Microsoft? Tag Reader Ratings: 564 Free > > Pic2shop Ratings: 98 Free > > QuickMark Ratings: 79 Free > > Butterkiss QR Scanner Ratings: 22 Free > > PSA barcode scanner Ratings: 66 $1.99 > > Barcode Reader Ratings: 12 Free > > Quick Reader Ratings: 78 Free > > NeoReader Ratings: 19Free > > QRCode ReaderRatings: 12 $0.99 > > Fun2D_QR_Code_ReaderRatings: 12 Free > > Barcode Scanner Ratings: 6 Free > > i-nigma Ratings: 6 Free > > QuickBarcodeReader No ratings Free > > > > Let's try to evaluate them although I must note I have not that much experience with working with barcodes and QR code. > > > > I'd be interested to find and purchase a program which will reliably and quickly read barcodes (and QR codes) , will send them to a web service (which can be defined in program settings) and gets back (maybe in another program which will run on WP7 in parallel) some information about a product/services, which barcode was scanned/shot by camera > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > > > 19 ??????? 2011, 13:55 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > > > Hi Shamil > > > > > > Yes, I found one (free) which reads common barcodes as EAN/UPC, PDF417, Datamatrix, as well as QR-codes: > > > > > > Leadtools Barcode Demo > > > > > > It works very well and is intended to demonstrate a SDK offered by Leadtools. > > > > > > /gustav > > > > > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 19-12-2011 09:13 >>> > > > Hi Gustav -- > > > > > > Yes, "Lots of apps to browse for a potential waste of time". > > > And do you know about a WP7 app for bar codes reading? > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > -- Shamil > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From Gustav at cactus.dk Tue Dec 20 04:34:30 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 11:34:30 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] Windows Phone 7.5 Mango is here... Message-ID: Hi Shamil Thanks a lot! I'll download the worksheet. As I've only tested Barcode Reader, I can add that it does read QR-code and it - at least - does work under some conditions. /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 20-12-2011 10:24 >>> Hi Gustav at all -- Have a look I have made a "micro research" on bar- and QR- code reading programs for WP7: http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/stest/BarCodeReaders.htm Yes, i-nigma is surely a "favorite toy" now but I didn't get setup a few programs mentioned in my research because they are not available on Russian market. The above page is a copy and paste from MS Excel worksheet. If you're interested in the published info please make a copy of it as I'm planning to remove this web page in a few days and probably publish a short note with this info on a Russian web site Thank you. -- Shamil From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue Dec 20 05:23:16 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 15:23:16 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?jQuery_Mobile_1=2E0?= In-Reply-To: <1C71E894-9B32-4DAD-9A2E-5092D5F65668@phulse.com> References: <1C71E894-9B32-4DAD-9A2E-5092D5F65668@phulse.com> Message-ID: Hi Hans -- I have tried to run http://dev.sencha.com/deploy/touch/examples/kitchensink/ on WP NOKIA Lumia 800 - it didn't work at all - "white screen" - completely white ans nothing else. I have then tried the same sample/demo on my kid Samsung Galaxy Fit (Android 2.x) and it worked well. Although: - on NOKIA Lumia 800 the above site root (www.sencha.com) is getting opened in mobile mode and - on Samsung Galaxy Fit in "normal browser mode" I've saved link to Sencha Touch to look at it from time to time to see when it will get working well on WP7 - it looks like the problem is with WP7's IE not (fully?) supporting HTML5? Thank you. -- Shamil 20 ??????? 2011, 10:38 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : > > > Although jQuery is a kind of "de-facto standard" JavaScript framework used even in ASP.NET ? > > Agreed, but, in my case, I decided that I had to go with what felt like the best experience to a user. Hopefully they will get query on par with sencha touch, because, if they do, I will switch in a heartbeat. Give it a go. You will see what difference there is. > > - Hans > > On 2011-12-19, at 10:18 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > > > Hi Hans -- > > > > Thank you for your remark. > > > > I have tried on WP7 (Nokia Lumia 800) several jQuery Mobile demos from the link I've posted - and I have found it good, not perfect but good and smooth enough. > > > > I was unaware of Sencha Touch - I have found it now after your remark (http://www.sencha.com/products/touch) - I will check it. > > > > Although jQuery is a kind of "de-facto standard" JavaScript framework used even in ASP.NET ... > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > > > > > 20 ??????? 2011, 09:58 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : > >> I am a loyal jQuery fan, but jQuery Mobile still feels really slow compared to something like Sencha Touch. I was hoping they would have improved it significantly by now, but it appears that they just haven't been able to achieve as much as is necessary for a good, smooth experience. > >> > >> - Hans > >> > >> On 2011-12-19, at 11:14 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > >> > >>> Hi All -- > >>> > >>> FYI: jQuery Mobile 1.0 > >>> > >>> http://jquerymobile.com/demos/1.0/ > >>> > >>> Thank you. > >>> > >>> -- Shamil > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> dba-VB mailing list > >>> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > >>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >>> > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dba-VB mailing list > > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > From hans.andersen at phulse.com Tue Dec 20 09:41:57 2011 From: hans.andersen at phulse.com (Hans-Christian Andersen) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 07:41:57 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] jQuery Mobile 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1C71E894-9B32-4DAD-9A2E-5092D5F65668@phulse.com> Message-ID: <590AB593-2804-4380-A3E3-01A55C8EBC14@phulse.com> Hi Shamil, Oh dear. Sorry for recommending something that doesn't even work for you. :) To be honest, this is the first time anyone I know has tested Sencha Touch on a WP7 phone (you're the only person I know who has a WP7 phone), so it didn't occur to me whether ST 1.x supported that platform. I looked into it briefly now and my understanding is that WP7 support has not been there yet, due to the fact that it was based on IE7/8. However, with Sencha Touch 2.0 being released imminently and WP7 adopting IE9, that will change (or perhaps already has?). That is as much as I know. I suppose I should mention that ST is different to jQuery (Mobile) in the sense that you build things as an HTML5/CSS3 application in ST (using ExtJS as the equivalent of jQuery), rather than cobbling things together manually like you do in jQuery, so that probably explains why their WP7 support needs to be worked on. - Hans On 2011-12-20, at 3:23 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Hi Hans -- > > I have tried to run > > http://dev.sencha.com/deploy/touch/examples/kitchensink/ > > on WP NOKIA Lumia 800 - it didn't work at all - "white screen" - completely white ans nothing else. > > I have then tried the same sample/demo on my kid Samsung Galaxy Fit (Android 2.x) and it worked well. > > Although: > > - on NOKIA Lumia 800 the above site root (www.sencha.com) is getting opened in mobile mode and > - on Samsung Galaxy Fit in "normal browser mode" > > I've saved link to Sencha Touch to look at it from time to time to see when it will get working well on WP7 - it looks like the problem is with WP7's IE not (fully?) supporting HTML5? > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > > 20 ??????? 2011, 10:38 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : >> >>> Although jQuery is a kind of "de-facto standard" JavaScript framework used even in ASP.NET ? >> >> Agreed, but, in my case, I decided that I had to go with what felt like the best experience to a user. Hopefully they will get query on par with sencha touch, because, if they do, I will switch in a heartbeat. Give it a go. You will see what difference there is. >> >> - Hans >> >> On 2011-12-19, at 10:18 PM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: >> >>> Hi Hans -- >>> >>> Thank you for your remark. >>> >>> I have tried on WP7 (Nokia Lumia 800) several jQuery Mobile demos from the link I've posted - and I have found it good, not perfect but good and smooth enough. >>> >>> I was unaware of Sencha Touch - I have found it now after your remark (http://www.sencha.com/products/touch) - I will check it. >>> >>> Although jQuery is a kind of "de-facto standard" JavaScript framework used even in ASP.NET ... >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> -- Shamil >>> >>> >>> 20 ??????? 2011, 09:58 ?? Hans-Christian Andersen : >>>> I am a loyal jQuery fan, but jQuery Mobile still feels really slow compared to something like Sencha Touch. I was hoping they would have improved it significantly by now, but it appears that they just haven't been able to achieve as much as is necessary for a good, smooth experience. >>>> >>>> - Hans >>>> >>>> On 2011-12-19, at 11:14 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi All -- >>>>> >>>>> FYI: jQuery Mobile 1.0 >>>>> >>>>> http://jquerymobile.com/demos/1.0/ >>>>> >>>>> Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> -- Shamil >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> dba-VB mailing list >>>>> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >>>>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dba-VB mailing list >>> dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb >>> http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Dec 28 14:20:35 2011 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 15:20:35 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] but does it run... Message-ID: <4EFB7A13.8040003@colbyconsulting.com> http://www.raspberrypi.org/ They are apparently close to production. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Dec 28 14:36:42 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 12:36:42 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] but does it run... In-Reply-To: <4EFB7A13.8040003@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4EFB7A13.8040003@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4BF6A99969CC41F4A00FB89BE229A109@creativesystemdesigns.com> By all comments it does in fact run and run well. Nothing fancy for $25 but it works. :-) Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:21 PM To: Paul Hollar; VBA; Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [dba-VB] but does it run... http://www.raspberrypi.org/ They are apparently close to production. -- John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Dec 28 14:42:55 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 12:42:55 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] So what is super hot in the tech world? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <049D77D9530A404F9C1B51EBD72D5BE5@creativesystemdesigns.com> You have to look no further than the NoSQL super database called Hadoop. Development in this product has been drawing the best and the brightest from all over the computer world. With databases now exceeded 100 million records the SQL structured DBs no longer functions well in this new environment. http://tinyurl.com/d28d3r6 Jim From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Dec 28 15:55:19 2011 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:55:19 +1000 Subject: [dba-VB] So what is super hot in the tech world? In-Reply-To: <049D77D9530A404F9C1B51EBD72D5BE5@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: , <049D77D9530A404F9C1B51EBD72D5BE5@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <4EFB9047.14178.47C997D4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Yada, yada, yada. Still evangelising I see :-) 100 million records is not per se a problem for a SQL structured DB. No matter how many times people claim that it is, NoSQL is NOT a replacement for SQL, NoSQL is just a group of solutions to manage types of data that SQL is not ideal for. You might just as well say: With images exceeding several megabytes in size, NoAccess is much better than Access for manipulating graphic data. Take for instance the NoAcess super application called PhotoShop. -- Stuart On 28 Dec 2011 at 12:42, Jim Lawrence wrote: > You have to look no further than the NoSQL super database called Hadoop. > Development in this product has been drawing the best and the brightest from > all over the computer world. > > With databases now exceeded 100 million records the SQL structured DBs no > longer functions well in this new environment. > > http://tinyurl.com/d28d3r6 > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Dec 28 16:20:26 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 14:20:26 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] So what is super hot in the tech world? In-Reply-To: <4EFB9047.14178.47C997D4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <049D77D9530A404F9C1B51EBD72D5BE5@creativesystemdesigns.com> <4EFB9047.14178.47C997D4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <2033A8BCA1D44F779154FFE8778189B1@creativesystemdesigns.com> It does not matter what you or I think, it what is important and real. That what is super hot in the computer business is Hadoop. I may never use the product other than to play with but we have to keep abreast on the market trends. The difference between NoSQL and SQL databases is like Mya and Photoshop...one processes thousands of images and one, just one image at a time. We may never need anything more than Photoshop but for those in the image and movie business, Mya is one of the products of choice. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 1:55 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'; 'Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.'; 'Discussion concerning MS SQL Server' Subject: Re: [dba-VB] So what is super hot in the tech world? Yada, yada, yada. Still evangelising I see :-) 100 million records is not per se a problem for a SQL structured DB. No matter how many times people claim that it is, NoSQL is NOT a replacement for SQL, NoSQL is just a group of solutions to manage types of data that SQL is not ideal for. You might just as well say: With images exceeding several megabytes in size, NoAccess is much better than Access for manipulating graphic data. Take for instance the NoAcess super application called PhotoShop. -- Stuart On 28 Dec 2011 at 12:42, Jim Lawrence wrote: > You have to look no further than the NoSQL super database called Hadoop. > Development in this product has been drawing the best and the brightest from > all over the computer world. > > With databases now exceeded 100 million records the SQL structured DBs no > longer functions well in this new environment. > > http://tinyurl.com/d28d3r6 > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com Thu Dec 29 10:32:09 2011 From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 11:32:09 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Administrivia - List Archives Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I just wanted to let you all know that the archives are back online after a lengthy delay. If you notice ANYTHING unusual about the archives, PLEASE let me know, listmaster at databaseadvisors.com or carbonnb at gmail.com. The search functionality should be up and running again very shortly too. I want to apologize for having the archives off-line for such a long time, but, unfortunately, life got in the way. :( I hope you all have a wonderful and prosperous New Year! -- Bryan Carbonnell - listmaster at databaseadvisors.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From fuller.artful at gmail.com Thu Dec 29 16:08:11 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 17:08:11 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] C# Newbie Question Message-ID: I've got a simple little RichTextEditor program working in C#, thanks to a book I'm working through. But the code I have makes a simple assumption, a hard-coded filename to load and read back. That works ok, as do all the buttons (Bold, etc.), but I want to move this up a notch and call the FileSave and FileOpen stuff rather than use the hard-coded filename. Can anyone help me do this? I want the Open button to invoke the standard dialog and the Save button to invoke the standard FileSaveAs dialog. I'm guessing this can be done in a line or two, and I know how to do it from Access, but I don't have any idea how to do it from C#. Any advice most gratefully appreciated. Thanks and to one and all, Happy New Year! You can deduce how exciting is my life, by the fact that I'm doing this as opposed to roasting chestnuts on a fire with a lovely loved one :) -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. From michael at ddisolutions.com.au Thu Dec 29 18:38:47 2011 From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 11:38:47 +1100 Subject: [dba-VB] C# Newbie Question References: Message-ID: <99266C61B516644D9727F983FAFAB46511B9D2@remote.ddisolutions.com.au> Hi Arthur, Doesn't get much more newbie than this ;-) In the old VB world I assume that like me we all had a dialog class that we reused from project to project. That class would have included various win32 api calls. The dotnet framework libraries are huge and it will take time to suss out where the objects you need are. MSDN and help are pretty good these days, I recommend browsing the contents and reading what seems interesting or useful. VS2010 comes with a number of standard dialogs in the toolbox by default, color, browser, font, open and save. You have 2 options. Drag the control onto a form or declare an instance in your code. Drag onto form and set properties in the property window. Call the openFileDialog1.ShowDialog ( ) method and you are in business. If you declare an instance in your code you just need to make sure you ref 'using System.Windows.Forms;' Then create the dialog using ' private OpenFileDialog dlg = new OpenFileDialog ( );' or however you want to create and scope the object. HTH Michael M Subject: [dba-VB] C# Newbie Question I've got a simple little RichTextEditor program working in C#, thanks to a book I'm working through. But the code I have makes a simple assumption, a hard-coded filename to load and read back. That works ok, as do all the buttons (Bold, etc.), but I want to move this up a notch and call the FileSave and FileOpen stuff rather than use the hard-coded filename. Can anyone help me do this? I want the Open button to invoke the standard dialog and the Save button to invoke the standard FileSaveAs dialog. I'm guessing this can be done in a line or two, and I know how to do it from Access, but I don't have any idea how to do it from C#. Any advice most gratefully appreciated. Thanks and to one and all, Happy New Year! You can deduce how exciting is my life, by the fact that I'm doing this as opposed to roasting chestnuts on a fire with a lovely loved one :) -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1416 / Virus Database: 2109/4110 - Release Date: 12/29/11 From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Dec 30 02:45:36 2011 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 09:45:36 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] C# Newbie Question Message-ID: Hi Arthur A coding life is a happy life! /gustav >>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 29-12-2011 23:08 >>> I've got a simple little RichTextEditor program working in C#, thanks to a book I'm working through. But the code I have makes a simple assumption, a hard-coded filename to load and read back. That works ok, as do all the buttons (Bold, etc.), but I want to move this up a notch and call the FileSave and FileOpen stuff rather than use the hard-coded filename. Can anyone help me do this? I want the Open button to invoke the standard dialog and the Save button to invoke the standard FileSaveAs dialog. I'm guessing this can be done in a line or two, and I know how to do it from Access, but I don't have any idea how to do it from C#. Any advice most gratefully appreciated. Thanks and to one and all, Happy New Year! You can deduce how exciting is my life, by the fact that I'm doing this as opposed to roasting chestnuts on a fire with a lovely loved one :) -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Dec 30 08:47:02 2011 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 09:47:02 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] C# Newbie Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, Michael. I hadn't noticed those controls in the toolbox. But as you said, I'm a true newbie. On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 3:45 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Arthur > > A coding life is a happy life! > > /gustav > > From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Dec 30 12:05:28 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 22:05:28 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?So_what_is_super_hot_in_the_tech_world=3F?= In-Reply-To: <2033A8BCA1D44F779154FFE8778189B1@creativesystemdesigns.com> References: <4EFB9047.14178.47C997D4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <2033A8BCA1D44F779154FFE8778189B1@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: Hi Jim -- NewSQL (ScalableSQL) seems to be "more hot" than NoSQL, doesn't it? "What we talk about when we talk about NewSQL" http://blogs.the451group.com/information_management/2011/04/06/what-we-talk-about-when-we-talk-about-newsql/ Thank you. -- Shamil 29 ??????? 2011, 02:21 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : > It does not matter what you or I think, it what is important and real. > > That what is super hot in the computer business is Hadoop. > > I may never use the product other than to play with but we have to keep > abreast on the market trends. > > The difference between NoSQL and SQL databases is like Mya and > Photoshop...one processes thousands of images and one, just one image at a > time. We may never need anything more than Photoshop but for those in the > image and movie business, Mya is one of the products of choice. > > Jim > From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Dec 30 16:59:05 2011 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 14:59:05 -0800 Subject: [dba-VB] So what is super hot in the tech world? In-Reply-To: References: <4EFB9047.14178.47C997D4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <2033A8BCA1D44F779154FFE8778189B1@creativesystemdesigns.com> Message-ID: <1CAE4AFDE5C841B0B4DFAA250474F484@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi Shamil: That is a very interesting article and will require a fair bit of research. I have heard nothing about the inhabitants of this genera other than MySQL and not the extensions mentioned. (...Clustrix, GenieDB, ScalArc, Schooner, VoltDB, RethinkDB, ScaleDB, Akiban, CodeFutures, ScaleBase, Translattice, and NimbusDB, as well as Drizzle, MySQL Cluster with NDB, and MySQL with HandlerSocket. The latter group includes Tokutek and JustOne DB...) Thanks for posting this. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 10:05 AM To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] So what is super hot in the tech world? Hi Jim -- NewSQL (ScalableSQL) seems to be "more hot" than NoSQL, doesn't it? "What we talk about when we talk about NewSQL" http://blogs.the451group.com/information_management/2011/04/06/what-we-talk- about-when-we-talk-about-newsql/ Thank you. -- Shamil 29 ??????? 2011, 02:21 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : > It does not matter what you or I think, it what is important and real. > > That what is super hot in the computer business is Hadoop. > > I may never use the product other than to play with but we have to keep > abreast on the market trends. > > The difference between NoSQL and SQL databases is like Mya and > Photoshop...one processes thousands of images and one, just one image at a > time. We may never need anything more than Photoshop but for those in the > image and movie business, Mya is one of the products of choice. > > Jim > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From gustav at cactus.dk Sat Dec 31 07:55:52 2011 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 14:55:52 +0100 Subject: [dba-VB] So what is super hot in the tech world? Message-ID: Hi Shamil I didn't study all the links but aren't we just talking about proxies and in-memory database engines like TimesTen (now of Oracle) and kdb: http://kx.com/kdb+.php The common dominator of these seems to be extremely high cost - but I may be wrong. /gustav >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 30-12-2011 19:05 >>> Hi Jim -- NewSQL (ScalableSQL) seems to be "more hot" than NoSQL, doesn't it? "What we talk about when we talk about NewSQL" http://blogs.the451group.com/information_management/2011/04/06/what-we-talk-about-when-we-talk-about-newsql/ Thank you. -- Shamil 29 ??????? 2011, 02:21 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : > It does not matter what you or I think, it what is important and real. > > That what is super hot in the computer business is Hadoop. > > I may never use the product other than to play with but we have to keep > abreast on the market trends. > > The difference between NoSQL and SQL databases is like Mya and > Photoshop...one processes thousands of images and one, just one image at a > time. We may never need anything more than Photoshop but for those in the > image and movie business, Mya is one of the products of choice. > > Jim From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sat Dec 31 11:59:00 2011 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 21:59:00 +0400 Subject: [dba-VB] =?utf-8?q?So_what_is_super_hot_in_the_tech_world=3F?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gustav and all -- I must tell you neither I did study all the links, and I'm not aware of TimesTen you mention. I posted the links on "NewSQL" just to note that the new SQL "buzz-technology" is here already and NoSQL is getting obsolete(?)... But I will have to skip "NewSQL" (just no time to get familiar with all that stuff) waiting for something similar to come released from Microsoft - would that be called Distributed (/Scaled) Parallel Language Integrated Query (DPLINQ) or else - being C# developer using (P)LINQ in my everyday development practice I should be able to master DPLINQ in short time... Thank you. -- Shamil 31 ??????? 2011, 17:51 ?? "Gustav Brock" : > Hi Shamil > > I didn't study all the links but aren't we just talking about proxies and in-memory database engines like TimesTen (now of Oracle) and kdb: > > http://kx.com/kdb+.php > > The common dominator of these seems to be extremely high cost - but I may be wrong. > > /gustav > > >>> Salakhetdinov Shamil 30-12-2011 19:05 >>> > Hi Jim -- > > NewSQL (ScalableSQL) seems to be "more hot" than NoSQL, doesn't it? > > "What we talk about when we talk about NewSQL" > http://blogs.the451group.com/information_management/2011/04/06/what-we-talk-about-when-we-talk-about-newsql/ > > Thank you. > > -- Shamil > > 29 ??????? 2011, 02:21 ?? "Jim Lawrence" : > > It does not matter what you or I think, it what is important and real. > > > > That what is super hot in the computer business is Hadoop. > > > > I may never use the product other than to play with but we have to keep > > abreast on the market trends. > > > The difference between NoSQL and SQL databases is like Mya and > > Photoshop...one processes thousands of images and one, just one image at a > > time. We may never need anything more than Photoshop but for those in the > > image and movie business, Mya is one of the products of choice. > > > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >