From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Mar 1 14:57:15 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2015 13:57:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-VB] Visual Studio community edition In-Reply-To: <54F1E9C0.2050804@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1727332322.12928972.1425243435072.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> It should be noted, at least here and I would suspect everywhere else, the banks and the car dealer headquarters do not use Windows servers. They use Linux and/or Unix servers. To be honest with you, I know of no major companies that rely on Windows Servers. Even Microsoft doesn't. All their communications systems and yes, their Azure is written on top of Linux (Ubuntu Linux for that matter). I would truly like to hear of a major company the completely relies on Microsoft servers for their core infrastructure. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Colby" To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 8:16:00 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Visual Studio community edition >>is potential licensing cost the only reason No. It is major though. This client is a little virtual company. He supports about 6 people total, spread out over the Atlantic NE. As a developer I acquired a bunch of licenses through various channels which I have used to support my business, and thus his business. At some point however he has to stand on his own. So the licensing costs are not trivial to him. As an example, I custom (hand) built a SQL Server back in around 2008. MS SWORE that they would NEVER charge on a per core basis. So I purchased and assembled an AMD based machine with two processors and 16 cores (8 cores per chip), looking at replacing each chip with 12 or 16 core chips as required, to end up with a 24 or 32 core SQL Server. SQL Server likes cores!!! Well guess what, MS changed their tune and now charges PER CORE. So to buy (not upgrade) his own SQL Server license would cost somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 THOUSAND dollars for the current 16 core server. PLUS OS licenses, plus... Ooooops. So while licensing costs are not the only consideration, they are $100 K worth of the considerations. And that is really just the start. For a bank or a car manufacturer, $100K+ is chump change. For a small business, not so chump. John W. Colby On 2/28/2015 10:47 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi John > > I may have missed something but is potential licensing cost the only reason why you are up to this Linux challenge? > > /gustav > > ________________________________________ > Fra: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com p? vegne af John W. Colby > Sendt: 28. februar 2015 16:32 > Til: Salakhetdinov Shamil; Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. > Emne: Re: [dba-VB] Visual Studio community edition > > >>Yes, I remember your driven by a large MS SQL backend DB application > development story. Is it up&running? > > It is up and running. I have been using it for years. > > >>No any plans to migrate it to Linux/noSQL - Map Reduce ( > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MapReduce ) / CouchDB ( > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CouchDB ) ? > > I would love to migrate it to MariaDB, however the C# code was written > to target SQL Server specifically. The bigger problem is that the > database is used to pull data sets for sale. I have an entire template > database that I copy for each client order, and that template database > has defined tables, views and stored procedures that I use to fill the > order. Once the order is filled, the order database becomes a history > of what was done to fill the order, as well as a history of records not > to be sold again should the client order another data set. > > In the end there is simply no compelling reason to make the move. Yet. > > The compelling reason long term is that the SQL Server is hosted on > Windows 2008, and SQL Server itself is 2008 as well. As we know, MS > likes to force us to upgrade by dropping support (including bug / > security fixes). I don't know if you have ever looked, but licenses for > new versions are EXPENSIVE!!! Particularly for tiny companies. > > So someday, in the next few years, I will likely be forced to do something. > > I am in fact trying to get MariaDB running on my Linux Mint server / > workstation here at my office. Sadly, doing anything in Linux is a > serious exercise in frustration compared to doing the equivalent in > Windows. MariaDB is installed. I can't log in. Breaking in as the > root user isn't working as the Google search says it should. > > I have an old Areca RAID controller which has to be firmware updated to > work with the modern drives larger than 2 tb size. In Windows, that > involves downloading the file and using a program from Areca to find a > firmware file and upgrade. Dead simple. The same exact process is > required for Linux except... > > Since I am just bringing this card up for the first time (in Linux) I > have to start from scratch installing drivers, installing the software > etc. That involves figuring out what version of Linux... downloading > the right thing from Areca... Typing in loads of crap in the command > window... dealing with the inevitable (and I do mean inevitable) error > messages. > > So a simple (in Windows) 15 minute install turns into an hours long > exercise in frustration (all of last night), and this morning the Areca > card and three spanking new 3 tb drives are still a useless paperweight > hooked up to the Linux machine. > > For some reason, the Linux crowd seems to think this is supposed to be > fun??? I have PILES of work backed up behind "simple" (on Windows) > things that just aren't progressing on Linux Mint. Something always goes > wrong somewhere. And figuring it out ALWAYS starts with "what version > of Linux" and goes downhill from there. > > Google (And SUDO, and the command window for GOD's sake) is my friend. > Except the last two are only very uneasy allies. > > In my opinion the core of the Linux problem is simply that with so many > distros out there, no company selling into the Linux environment can do > anything in a consistent manner because nothing works the same on every > distro. And so the poor guy (me) trying to get anything done is tasked > with sorting it all out for the specific distro chosen. > > Linux is supposed to be free. The problem is that the Linux cost is in > all the stunningly stupid crap that has to be figured out to get > anything more than the simplest install done. And all that comes > BEFORE, and stands in the way of, actually getting any work done. > > Boy did that end up off-topic or what? My frustration is showing. > > On a lighter note, I have come to the conclusion that approximately 50% > of ALL the internet content is "how to" articles for getting stuff done > in Linux. > > ;) > > John W. Colby > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From accessd at shaw.ca Sun Mar 1 17:48:40 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2015 16:48:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-VB] Visual Studio community edition In-Reply-To: <54F1DF9E.4090701@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1705963484.13025720.1425253720467.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Desktop stations of any kind are always brain-dead simple. A well configured server is a bear and that is if everything goes right. I do remember how long I worked and you did as well to get Windows based servers and their associated software operational. After about fifty installs, hundreds of hours of reading, and maybe some MS instruction, it all starts to look real easy. Linux servers are just another OS, nothing magic or simple. I have been working for a couple of weeks to get a headless Ubuntu server box optimized. OpenSSL installed...check; SAMBA server, user shares and communication running correctly...check; Telnet services, locally and remotely running...check. My direction is to have a detachable GUI, the networks Active-Directory, DNS, DHCP, webserver (IIS, Apache, InginX (?)) operational. The toys will be MondoDB, MariaDB, Elasticsearch ELK stack, Nodejs, a number of web languages and libraries would be fun...but my ultimate goal is to get ownCloud sharing stack fully operational. At the rate I am going, another month is a real possibility. ...But if my SiL was doing it, he would probably take afternoon to do the entire install while watching vids on his laptop. If he did it, I wouldn't learn that much though. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Colby" To: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" , "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 7:32:46 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Visual Studio community edition >>Yes, I remember your driven by a large MS SQL backend DB application development story. Is it up&running? It is up and running. I have been using it for years. >>No any plans to migrate it to Linux/noSQL - Map Reduce ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MapReduce ) / CouchDB ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CouchDB ) ? I would love to migrate it to MariaDB, however the C# code was written to target SQL Server specifically. The bigger problem is that the database is used to pull data sets for sale. I have an entire template database that I copy for each client order, and that template database has defined tables, views and stored procedures that I use to fill the order. Once the order is filled, the order database becomes a history of what was done to fill the order, as well as a history of records not to be sold again should the client order another data set. In the end there is simply no compelling reason to make the move. Yet. The compelling reason long term is that the SQL Server is hosted on Windows 2008, and SQL Server itself is 2008 as well. As we know, MS likes to force us to upgrade by dropping support (including bug / security fixes). I don't know if you have ever looked, but licenses for new versions are EXPENSIVE!!! Particularly for tiny companies. So someday, in the next few years, I will likely be forced to do something. I am in fact trying to get MariaDB running on my Linux Mint server / workstation here at my office. Sadly, doing anything in Linux is a serious exercise in frustration compared to doing the equivalent in Windows. MariaDB is installed. I can't log in. Breaking in as the root user isn't working as the Google search says it should. I have an old Areca RAID controller which has to be firmware updated to work with the modern drives larger than 2 tb size. In Windows, that involves downloading the file and using a program from Areca to find a firmware file and upgrade. Dead simple. The same exact process is required for Linux except... Since I am just bringing this card up for the first time (in Linux) I have to start from scratch installing drivers, installing the software etc. That involves figuring out what version of Linux... downloading the right thing from Areca... Typing in loads of crap in the command window... dealing with the inevitable (and I do mean inevitable) error messages. So a simple (in Windows) 15 minute install turns into an hours long exercise in frustration (all of last night), and this morning the Areca card and three spanking new 3 tb drives are still a useless paperweight hooked up to the Linux machine. For some reason, the Linux crowd seems to think this is supposed to be fun??? I have PILES of work backed up behind "simple" (on Windows) things that just aren't progressing on Linux Mint. Something always goes wrong somewhere. And figuring it out ALWAYS starts with "what version of Linux" and goes downhill from there. Google (And SUDO, and the command window for GOD's sake) is my friend. Except the last two are only very uneasy allies. In my opinion the core of the Linux problem is simply that with so many distros out there, no company selling into the Linux environment can do anything in a consistent manner because nothing works the same on every distro. And so the poor guy (me) trying to get anything done is tasked with sorting it all out for the specific distro chosen. Linux is supposed to be free. The problem is that the Linux cost is in all the stunningly stupid crap that has to be figured out to get anything more than the simplest install done. And all that comes BEFORE, and stands in the way of, actually getting any work done. Boy did that end up off-topic or what? My frustration is showing. On a lighter note, I have come to the conclusion that approximately 50% of ALL the internet content is "how to" articles for getting stuff done in Linux. ;) John W. Colby On 2/28/2015 3:14 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > Yes, I remember your driven by a large MS SQL backend DB application development story. Is it up&running? No any plans to migrate it to Linux/noSQL - Map Reduce (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MapReduce ) / CouchDB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CouchDB ) ? _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jbartow at winhaven.net Mon Mar 16 23:48:39 2015 From: jbartow at winhaven.net (John R Bartow) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 23:48:39 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Administrivia - Google Sheet of DBA Member Info Message-ID: Hi All, Some folks on the DBA-Off Topic list have been discussing planning a get together. I placed a Google Sheet with location information in it at: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1O8G3DgNVCG_nZ9wRW4sarLEyzqBEH4bYh0jE Woz0dHg/edit#gid=511389216 If you'd like to have your information on the list (including whether you're interested in meeting up) please feel free to add or edit the information in the spreadsheet. We also have a Google Map that we update via this spreadsheet. Knowing where everyone is may help in locating where the meet up will take place. Please don't pass this link around as only subscribers should be using it. Thanks, John B From jwcolby at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 10:30:17 2015 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W. Colby) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 11:30:17 -0400 Subject: [dba-VB] Where are we discussing .Net? Message-ID: <55099A09.4050305@gmail.com> I just installed VS 2013 community on a VM that I will use as my ned dev environment. When I opened a new project it automatically offered to use source control and GIT. When I chose GIT it automatically created a new GIT repository. How cool is that. I was under the impression however that GIT required a "server" (service) running. Did VS also set that up and turn it on? -- John W. Colby From df.waters at outlook.com Wed Mar 18 10:34:33 2015 From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 10:34:33 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Where are we discussing .Net? In-Reply-To: <55099A09.4050305@gmail.com> References: <55099A09.4050305@gmail.com> Message-ID: MS has created a VS Online site. I think that's where GIT repositories are stored - you'll have to check as I do not use GIT. https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/products/what-is-visual-studio-online-vs. aspx Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-VB [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:30 AM To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.; Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [dba-VB] Where are we discussing .Net? I just installed VS 2013 community on a VM that I will use as my ned dev environment. When I opened a new project it automatically offered to use source control and GIT. When I chose GIT it automatically created a new GIT repository. How cool is that. I was under the impression however that GIT required a "server" (service) running. Did VS also set that up and turn it on? -- John W. Colby _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 12:22:34 2015 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W. Colby) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 13:22:34 -0400 Subject: [dba-VB] Where are we discussing .Net? In-Reply-To: References: <55099A09.4050305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5509B45A.1080009@gmail.com> No, it told me that it created the repository in the same directory as the project. John W. Colby On 3/18/2015 11:34 AM, Dan Waters wrote: > MS has created a VS Online site. I think that's where GIT repositories are > stored - you'll have to check as I do not use GIT. > > https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/products/what-is-visual-studio-online-vs. > aspx > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-VB [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John > W. Colby > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:30 AM > To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.; > Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [dba-VB] Where are we discussing .Net? > > I just installed VS 2013 community on a VM that I will use as my ned dev > environment. When I opened a new project it automatically offered to use > source control and GIT. When I chose GIT it automatically created a new GIT > repository. > > How cool is that. > > I was under the impression however that GIT required a "server" > (service) running. Did VS also set that up and turn it on? > > -- > John W. Colby > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Mar 18 12:28:52 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 11:28:52 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [dba-VB] Where are we discussing .Net? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1811667390.26521410.1426699732349.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Hi Dan: Cool. :-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Waters" To: "Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues." Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 8:34:33 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Where are we discussing .Net? MS has created a VS Online site. I think that's where GIT repositories are stored - you'll have to check as I do not use GIT. https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/products/what-is-visual-studio-online-vs. aspx Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-VB [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 10:30 AM To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues.; Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [dba-VB] Where are we discussing .Net? I just installed VS 2013 community on a VM that I will use as my ned dev environment. When I opened a new project it automatically offered to use source control and GIT. When I chose GIT it automatically created a new GIT repository. How cool is that. I was under the impression however that GIT required a "server" (service) running. Did VS also set that up and turn it on? -- John W. Colby _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Fri Mar 20 02:45:12 2015 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 07:45:12 +0000 Subject: [dba-VB] Visual Basic 2012 - Simple Gauge Tool Message-ID: To all, I have posted to vb group and access as I don't seem to get many responses from the vb group for some reason. Anyway I am looking for a simple gauge tool and wondered if anyone on here had any recommendations, basically I have a form with a grid and what I (well the management want) is something above the grid similar (I suppose to a speedometer) to show percentages, it will need to have two needles/pointers which will indicate current gross margin percent and new gross margin percent when the user enters a new price, I have all the calculations in place for the percentages, just need a nice simple to use gauge tool. Thanks in advance for any help on this... -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com Thu Mar 26 09:13:06 2015 From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 10:13:06 -0400 Subject: [dba-VB] Administrivia - New and Deprecated Lists Message-ID: Hi all, A while back there was a suggestion to create a new list, dba-VS, to discuss Visual Studio development. We are going to go ahead with that suggestion. Since this list would include VB.net development, the dba-VB list will be deprecated and no new posts will be allowed. The archives will remain for the foreseeable future however. All existing members of the dba-VB list will automatically transferred to the new list. These changes will take place by the end of the week and an announcement will be made. As always, if you have any questions/concerns please don't hesitate to get in touch. Your friendly neighborhood listmaster, Bryan -- Bryan Carbonnell - listmaster at databaseadvisors.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From df.waters at outlook.com Thu Mar 26 10:42:59 2015 From: df.waters at outlook.com (Dan Waters) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 10:42:59 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Administrivia - New and Deprecated Lists In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Very Nice! Thanks Bryan, Dan -----Original Message----- From: dba-VB [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 9:13 AM To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-VB] Administrivia - New and Deprecated Lists Hi all, A while back there was a suggestion to create a new list, dba-VS, to discuss Visual Studio development. We are going to go ahead with that suggestion. Since this list would include VB.net development, the dba-VB list will be deprecated and no new posts will be allowed. The archives will remain for the foreseeable future however. All existing members of the dba-VB list will automatically transferred to the new list. These changes will take place by the end of the week and an announcement will be made. As always, if you have any questions/concerns please don't hesitate to get in touch. Your friendly neighborhood listmaster, Bryan -- Bryan Carbonnell - listmaster at databaseadvisors.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 11:37:52 2015 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 09:37:52 -0700 Subject: [dba-VB] Administrivia - New and Deprecated Lists In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you sir! On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:42 AM, Dan Waters wrote: > Very Nice! > > Thanks Bryan, > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-VB [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Bryan > Carbonnell > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 9:13 AM > To: administrivia at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [dba-VB] Administrivia - New and Deprecated Lists > > Hi all, > > A while back there was a suggestion to create a new list, dba-VS, to > discuss > Visual Studio development. We are going to go ahead with that suggestion. > > Since this list would include VB.net development, the dba-VB list will be > deprecated and no new posts will be allowed. The archives will remain for > the foreseeable future however. > > All existing members of the dba-VB list will automatically transferred to > the new list. > > These changes will take place by the end of the week and an announcement > will be made. > > As always, if you have any questions/concerns please don't hesitate to get > in touch. > > Your friendly neighborhood listmaster, > Bryan > > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - listmaster at databaseadvisors.com Life's journey is not > to > arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in > sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com Thu Mar 26 14:27:22 2015 From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 15:27:22 -0400 Subject: [dba-VB] Administrivia - dba-VS List is LIVE!!! Message-ID: Hi All, The new dba-VS list, to discuss Visual Studio development is now live and ready for use (but please no abuse :) All the old DBA-VB members have been migrated over to the dba-VS list and should have received a subscription notice. You shouldn't have to do anything, except post to the new list using dba-vs at databaseadvisors.com. If you weren't subscribed to dba-VB and want to get in on the party that will be happening over at dba-VS, please head on over to http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vs and subscribe. As always, if you have any problems, please get in touch. -- Bryan Carbonnell - listmaster at databaseadvisors.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!"