From gustav at cactus.dk Tue Dec 1 01:58:37 2015 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 07:58:37 +0000 Subject: [dba-VS] [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control Message-ID: Hi Jim Interesting video - indeed if you operate at that scale. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-VS [mailto:dba-vs-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence Sendt: 1. december 2015 00:36 Til: Development in Visual Studio Emne: Re: [dba-VS] [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control Hi John: Well of course you are not downloading the entire core with all the rigs and every version that will run on you smartphone up to a 3D Imax, of the movie just you can rip and view it on your TV but all that detail is saved. What you have is an excellent application along with the biggest and baddest home computer anyone could assemble. That said, today, few individuals would ever consider that as an option for resolving their big data problems. Most system admins would move their needs off to the web (Cloud). It is basically cheaper, faster and easier...how much would you calculate all your hours times say $65 per hour... Add the price of components, assemble, shipping, self-training, ongoing maintenance and so on. What you database server look like to me is a beautiful, hand-built, high performance sports-car...a real thing of beauty. If you were starting from scratch today would you follow the same route? You wouldn't necessarily have to move everything to a public Cloud. I would bet that with maybe ten beater boxes, not particularly tricked-out, connected in a single network, a single file-system, where all the systems work as a single entity, the same functionality (or far greater) could be obtained along with superior performance, far greater reliability and probably for a lot cheaper...right in your basement. I have used this video before but it does lend its self towards the new way data is managed. It shows a IBM system but really what we are seeing is a system with a number motherboards, cores and memory all connected into a single entity. With all those cores, memory and access to a group of OSS programs (services) all abstracted and assembled through an application like Juju (https://jujucharms.com/ ...which is actually what Microsoft Azure uses.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWBNoIwGEjo Aside: I have been playing at this for a while with this tech with some success but given a combination of, my life is not my own and laziness, the progress has been slow. ;-) Jim From accessd at shaw.ca Wed Dec 2 22:53:01 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 21:53:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-VS] [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1408690052.19710973.1449118381487.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Hi Gustav: Wouldn't we all love have that sort of toy to play with. What is most interesting is the applications and technology that went into making this system possible. A few years ago, this capability was not available, to anyone, at any scale, at any price. Today, some smart fellow could run up a smaller but similar mashup in his/her basement for a few thousand dollars...in fact hundreds of startups have been doing exactly that. Aside: In fact I have family members working in these type of businesses and the sky is truly the limit. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Development in Visual Studio" Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 11:58:37 PM Subject: Re: [dba-VS] [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control Hi Jim Interesting video - indeed if you operate at that scale. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-VS [mailto:dba-vs-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence Sendt: 1. december 2015 00:36 Til: Development in Visual Studio Emne: Re: [dba-VS] [AccessD] Visual Studio and source control Hi John: Well of course you are not downloading the entire core with all the rigs and every version that will run on you smartphone up to a 3D Imax, of the movie just you can rip and view it on your TV but all that detail is saved. What you have is an excellent application along with the biggest and baddest home computer anyone could assemble. That said, today, few individuals would ever consider that as an option for resolving their big data problems. Most system admins would move their needs off to the web (Cloud). It is basically cheaper, faster and easier...how much would you calculate all your hours times say $65 per hour... Add the price of components, assemble, shipping, self-training, ongoing maintenance and so on. What you database server look like to me is a beautiful, hand-built, high performance sports-car...a real thing of beauty. If you were starting from scratch today would you follow the same route? You wouldn't necessarily have to move everything to a public Cloud. I would bet that with maybe ten beater boxes, not particularly tricked-out, connected in a single network, a single file-system, where all the systems work as a single entity, the same functionality (or far greater) could be obtained along with superior performance, far greater reliability and probably for a lot cheaper...right in your basement. I have used this video before but it does lend its self towards the new way data is managed. It shows a IBM system but really what we are seeing is a system with a number motherboards, cores and memory all connected into a single entity. With all those cores, memory and access to a group of OSS programs (services) all abstracted and assembled through an application like Juju (https://jujucharms.com/ ...which is actually what Microsoft Azure uses.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWBNoIwGEjo Aside: I have been playing at this for a while with this tech with some success but given a combination of, my life is not my own and laziness, the progress has been slow. ;-) Jim _______________________________________________ dba-VS mailing list dba-VS at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vs http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun Dec 13 16:48:08 2015 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 01:48:08 +0300 Subject: [dba-VS] =?utf-8?q?Microsoft_Action_Pack_Subscription_benefits?= Message-ID: <1450046888.931882752@f168.i.mail.ru> Hi All -- When you get an?Microsoft Action Pack Subscription ( https://mspartner.microsoft.com/en/us/Pages/Membership/action-pack.aspx ) does your set of benefits ( https://mspartner.microsoft.com/en/us/Pages/Membership/core-benefits.aspx ) include all of the the following options: 1.SharePoint online or Office365 subscription. 2.Windows Azure subscription. 3.Sellerdashboard account ? The above services/subscriptions are needed to build and to run the samples as this one: https://code.msdn.microsoft.com/officeapps/Office365-Provision-Lists-481ff25d Thank you. -- ???????????? ?????? From gustav at cactus.dk Sun Dec 13 17:02:21 2015 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 23:02:21 +0000 Subject: [dba-VS] Microsoft Action Pack Subscription benefits Message-ID: Hi Shamil Yes. 1. Five E3 licenses 2. is an around USD 100 monthly credit 3. This may be a separate sign up. Once there was a small fee, not it?s free as I recall it But do check out the list of benefits at the link. /gustav Fra: Salakhetdinov Shamil Sendt: 13. december 2015 23:49 Til: Development in Visual Studio Emne: [dba-VS] Microsoft Action Pack Subscription benefits Hi All -- When you get an Microsoft Action Pack Subscription ( https://mspartner.microsoft.com/en/us/Pages/Membership/action-pack.aspx ) does your set of benefits ( https://mspartner.microsoft.com/en/us/Pages/Membership/core-benefits.aspx ) include all of the the following options: 1.SharePoint online or Office365 subscription. 2.Windows Azure subscription. 3.Sellerdashboard account ? The above services/subscriptions are needed to build and to run the samples as this one: https://code.msdn.microsoft.com/officeapps/Office365-Provision-Lists-481ff25d Thank you. -- ???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-VS mailing list dba-VS at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vs http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Sun Dec 13 18:10:32 2015 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 03:10:32 +0300 Subject: [dba-VS] =?utf-8?q?Microsoft_Action_Pack_Subscription_benefits?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1450051832.830010770@f123.i.mail.ru> Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your reply. Do you have just one individual / company MS Account or you have them separated? Have you developed any MS Office 365 real apps? -- Shamil >Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:02 PM UTC from Gustav Brock : > >Hi Shamil > >Yes. >1. Five E3 licenses >2. is an around USD 100 monthly credit >3. This may be a separate sign up. Once there was a small fee, not it?s free as I recall it > >But do check out the list of benefits at the link. > >/gustav > > > >Fra: Salakhetdinov Shamil >Sendt: 13. december 2015 23:49 >Til: Development in Visual Studio >Emne: [dba-VS] Microsoft Action Pack Subscription benefits > > >Hi All -- > >When you get an Microsoft Action Pack Subscription ( https://mspartner.microsoft.com/en/us/Pages/Membership/action-pack.aspx ) does your set of benefits ( https://mspartner.microsoft.com/en/us/Pages/Membership/core-benefits.aspx ) include all of the the following options: > >1.SharePoint online or Office365 subscription. >2.Windows Azure subscription. >3.Sellerdashboard account ? > >The above services/subscriptions are needed to build and to run the samples as this one: > >https://code.msdn.microsoft.com/officeapps/Office365-Provision-Lists-481ff25d > >Thank you. > >-- >???????????? ?????? > From gustav at cactus.dk Mon Dec 14 04:12:54 2015 From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 10:12:54 +0000 Subject: [dba-VS] Microsoft Action Pack Subscription benefits Message-ID: Hi Shamil We have one account - you can only have one per location - and that includes a limited access to MSDN as well with some more downloads, though for testing purposes only. No, I haven't touched MS Office 365 apps, neither any plans. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-VS [mailto:dba-vs-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil Sendt: 14. december 2015 01:11 Til: Development in Visual Studio Emne: Re: [dba-VS] Microsoft Action Pack Subscription benefits Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your reply. Do you have just one individual / company MS Account or you have them separated? Have you developed any MS Office 365 real apps? -- Shamil >Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:02 PM UTC from Gustav Brock : > >Hi Shamil > >Yes. >1. Five E3 licenses >2. is an around USD 100 monthly credit >3. This may be a separate sign up. Once there was a small fee, not it?s free as I recall it > >But do check out the list of benefits at the link. > >/gustav > > > >Fra: Salakhetdinov Shamil >Sendt: 13. december 2015 23:49 >Til: Development in Visual Studio >Emne: [dba-VS] Microsoft Action Pack Subscription benefits > > >Hi All -- > >When you get an Microsoft Action Pack Subscription ( https://mspartner.microsoft.com/en/us/Pages/Membership/action-pack.aspx ) does your set of benefits ( https://mspartner.microsoft.com/en/us/Pages/Membership/core-benefits.aspx ) include all of the the following options: > >1.SharePoint online or Office365 subscription. >2.Windows Azure subscription. >3.Sellerdashboard account ? > >The above services/subscriptions are needed to build and to run the samples as this one: > >https://code.msdn.microsoft.com/officeapps/Office365-Provision-Lists-481ff25d > >Thank you. > >-- >???????????? ?????? From jwcolby at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 08:21:57 2015 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 09:21:57 -0500 Subject: [dba-VS] automating Excel Message-ID: <566ED085.4070809@Gmail.com> I need to add some Excel automation to my C# application. Currently I run a set of queries by hand, then take the resulting data sets, insert sheets into workbooks, and insert the data into the sheets. I have to manually rename the pages to reflect the data set (geo location). About 8 sheets total, and about three different workbooks. I then close the workbook just created, attach to an email and email to my client. I am looking for experience, code samples, web pages to read etc. Are any of you folks doing this? -- John W. Colby From dw-murphy at cox.net Mon Dec 14 10:35:11 2015 From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 08:35:11 -0800 Subject: [dba-VS] automating Excel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006101d1368d$66c8f670$345ae350$@cox.net> John, You might query CodeProject. I have seen a number of C#/Excel articles posted there. Doug -----Original Message----- From: dba-VS [mailto:dba-vs-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 6:22 AM To: Development in Visual Studio Subject: [dba-VS] automating Excel I need to add some Excel automation to my C# application. Currently I run a set of queries by hand, then take the resulting data sets, insert sheets into workbooks, and insert the data into the sheets. I have to manually rename the pages to reflect the data set (geo location). About 8 sheets total, and about three different workbooks. I then close the workbook just created, attach to an email and email to my client. I am looking for experience, code samples, web pages to read etc. Are any of you folks doing this? -- John W. Colby _______________________________________________ dba-VS mailing list dba-VS at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vs http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dbdoug at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 10:35:21 2015 From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 08:35:21 -0800 Subject: [dba-VS] automating Excel In-Reply-To: <566ED085.4070809@Gmail.com> References: <566ED085.4070809@Gmail.com> Message-ID: I do this from some of my Access dbs. Would VBA code samples be of any use? I generally use one of two different techniques: 1. Have a pre-formatted template worksheet in Excel, which I then open, push the data into it, and save under a new name. 2. Create a blank worksheet, fill it with the recordset data, then do all necessary formatting in code. This is a lot fussier, but more flexiblel. Doug On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 6:21 AM, John Colby wrote: > I need to add some Excel automation to my C# application. > > Currently I run a set of queries by hand, then take the resulting data > sets, insert sheets into workbooks, and insert the data into the sheets. I > have to manually rename the pages to reflect the data set (geo location). > About 8 sheets total, and about three different workbooks. I then close the > workbook just created, attach to an email and email to my client. > > I am looking for experience, code samples, web pages to read etc. Are any > of you folks doing this? > > -- > John W. Colby > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VS mailing list > dba-VS at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vs > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Dec 18 02:19:29 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 01:19:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-VS] Microsoft Action Pack Subscription benefits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <909248953.33808799.1450426769376.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Hi Gustav and Shamil: I just read this article and wonder if it is timely. OwnCloud and Collabora Announce LibreOffice Online for your ownCloud Server. This is a product similar to 365 Office, also fully featured but can be setup within an office network or on a home managed Cloud server, on the network, or across the internet. http://bit.ly/1TTsplq Here is a description and video describing the features: http://bit.ly/1NAZCOP Aside: Have been using Google Docs to edit a book and it worked out very well. Sometime in the spring...but for now a full beta version can downloaded. We have been using our OwnCloud for passing pictures, managing the group calender, playing music anywhere and transferring documents back and forth. https://www.collaboraoffice.com/code/ It also seems that Western Digital and OwnCloud are getting together to create a simple network plugin Cloud server for the price of a 1 TB WD hard drive and a Raspberry PI 2 with OwnCloud and an OS pre-intalled. http://bit.ly/1NsHTuW Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustav Brock" To: "Development in Visual Studio" Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 2:12:54 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VS] Microsoft Action Pack Subscription benefits Hi Shamil We have one account - you can only have one per location - and that includes a limited access to MSDN as well with some more downloads, though for testing purposes only. No, I haven't touched MS Office 365 apps, neither any plans. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-VS [mailto:dba-vs-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Salakhetdinov Shamil Sendt: 14. december 2015 01:11 Til: Development in Visual Studio Emne: Re: [dba-VS] Microsoft Action Pack Subscription benefits Hi Gustav -- Thank you for your reply. Do you have just one individual / company MS Account or you have them separated? Have you developed any MS Office 365 real apps? -- Shamil >Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:02 PM UTC from Gustav Brock : > >Hi Shamil > >Yes. >1. Five E3 licenses >2. is an around USD 100 monthly credit >3. This may be a separate sign up. Once there was a small fee, not it?s free as I recall it > >But do check out the list of benefits at the link. > >/gustav > > > >Fra: Salakhetdinov Shamil >Sendt: 13. december 2015 23:49 >Til: Development in Visual Studio >Emne: [dba-VS] Microsoft Action Pack Subscription benefits > > >Hi All -- > >When you get an Microsoft Action Pack Subscription ( https://mspartner.microsoft.com/en/us/Pages/Membership/action-pack.aspx ) does your set of benefits ( https://mspartner.microsoft.com/en/us/Pages/Membership/core-benefits.aspx ) include all of the the following options: > >1.SharePoint online or Office365 subscription. >2.Windows Azure subscription. >3.Sellerdashboard account ? > >The above services/subscriptions are needed to build and to run the samples as this one: > >https://code.msdn.microsoft.com/officeapps/Office365-Provision-Lists-481ff25d > >Thank you. > >-- >???????????? ?????? _______________________________________________ dba-VS mailing list dba-VS at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vs http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Dec 18 08:40:56 2015 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 17:40:56 +0300 Subject: [dba-VS] =?utf-8?q?Microsoft_Action_Pack_Subscription_benefits?= In-Reply-To: <909248953.33808799.1450426769376.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> References: <909248953.33808799.1450426769376.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <1450449656.215369842@f54.i.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- Thank you but it looks like I'm destined to stay with MS Windows and MS Office 265 and MS Azure :) - read: no time to learn Linux-only technologies - the ones coming these days from MS are consuming all the working and even free time.... BTW, do you know that Docker and?nodejs are becoming "native development and deployment" tools for Visual Studio ? Visual Studio 2015 Tools for Docker - November Preview? http://tinyurl.com/p4geu39 ? Node.js Tools for Visual Studio http://tinyurl.com/p38d32o ? -- Shamil >Friday, December 18, 2015 1:19 AM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence : > >Hi Gustav and Shamil: > >I just read this article and wonder if it is timely. OwnCloud and Collabora Announce LibreOffice Online for your ownCloud Server. This is a product similar to 365 Office, also fully featured but can be setup within an office network or on a home managed Cloud server, on the network, or across the internet. > >http://bit.ly/1TTsplq > >Here is a description and video describing the features: > >http://bit.ly/1NAZCOP > >Aside: Have been using Google Docs to edit a book and it worked out very well. Sometime in the spring...but for now a full beta version can downloaded. We have been using our OwnCloud for passing pictures, managing the group calender, playing music anywhere and transferring documents back and forth. > >https://www.collaboraoffice.com/code/ > >It also seems that Western Digital and OwnCloud are getting together to create a simple network plugin Cloud server for the price of a 1 TB WD hard drive and a Raspberry PI 2 with OwnCloud and an OS pre-intalled. > >http://bit.ly/1NsHTuW > >Jim <<< skipped >>> > From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Dec 18 13:08:37 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 12:08:37 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-VS] Microsoft Action Pack Subscription benefits In-Reply-To: <1450449656.215369842@f54.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <550459112.34225842.1450465717653.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Hi Shamil: Ha ha ha... You don't have time to learn Linux technology? You are actually learning it anyways; Azure, Nodejs, Docker etc...along with the other open licensed products. The only difference is that you are accessing this technology through a Microsoft GUI...or distro. Canonical (Ubuntu), Redhat, Suse and Apache, to name a few, are under full contract to build Microsoft its new infrastructure. All Microsoft products were built using the "integration" design method while Linux products are built on a "layered" design. That is why Microsoft, at this time, finds it so difficult to migrate their products to different platforms and hardware. It also makes Windows extremely unstable in unstable hardware environments. The Windows OS has to be completely debundled and basically rebuilt from scratch. There is an ongoing project within Microsoft that will allow the Windows core to install on a Raspberry PI but it is not an easy task... Microsoft is not standing still and is quickly moving towards the Linux world. They even have their own, in-shop Linux version distro (http://bit.ly/1NBTiX7). I spoke to an old friend who is running a development shop, mostly using .Net, Visual Studio on Windows. He remarked, "I am too young for UNIX and too old for Linux so I work with Windows." He says by early in the new year his development team will have more Linux application programmers than Windows. I for one, really like the new direction Microsoft is going, under Satya Nadella. I believe that within ten years, the entire under-pinnings, of Microsoft will be Linux and their product line will be layer designed like Linux. So in summary, you will not have to move to Linux, Linux will move to you. ;-) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Development in Visual Studio" Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 6:40:56 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VS] Microsoft Action Pack Subscription benefits Hi Jim -- Thank you but it looks like I'm destined to stay with MS Windows and MS Office 265 and MS Azure :) - read: no time to learn Linux-only technologies - the ones coming these days from MS are consuming all the working and even free time.... BTW, do you know that Docker and?nodejs are becoming "native development and deployment" tools for Visual Studio ? Visual Studio 2015 Tools for Docker - November Preview? http://tinyurl.com/p4geu39 ? Node.js Tools for Visual Studio http://tinyurl.com/p38d32o ? -- Shamil >Friday, December 18, 2015 1:19 AM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence : > >Hi Gustav and Shamil: > >I just read this article and wonder if it is timely. OwnCloud and Collabora Announce LibreOffice Online for your ownCloud Server. This is a product similar to 365 Office, also fully featured but can be setup within an office network or on a home managed Cloud server, on the network, or across the internet. > >http://bit.ly/1TTsplq > >Here is a description and video describing the features: > >http://bit.ly/1NAZCOP > >Aside: Have been using Google Docs to edit a book and it worked out very well. Sometime in the spring...but for now a full beta version can downloaded. We have been using our OwnCloud for passing pictures, managing the group calender, playing music anywhere and transferring documents back and forth. > >https://www.collaboraoffice.com/code/ > >It also seems that Western Digital and OwnCloud are getting together to create a simple network plugin Cloud server for the price of a 1 TB WD hard drive and a Raspberry PI 2 with OwnCloud and an OS pre-intalled. > >http://bit.ly/1NsHTuW > >Jim <<< skipped >>> > _______________________________________________ dba-VS mailing list dba-VS at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vs http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Fri Dec 18 13:56:21 2015 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 22:56:21 +0300 Subject: [dba-VS] =?utf-8?q?Microsoft_Action_Pack_Subscription_benefits?= In-Reply-To: <550459112.34225842.1450465717653.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> References: <1450449656.215369842@f54.i.mail.ru> <550459112.34225842.1450465717653.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <1450468581.972752876@f177.i.mail.ru> Hi Jim -- <<< So in summary, you will not have to move to Linux, Linux will move to you. ;-) >>> Yes, this is exactly what I meant: why spend time with "pure Linux" when "MS Windows-powered Linux" is being brought to me by MS developers? <<< I believe that within ten years, the entire under-pinnings, of Microsoft will be Linux and their product line will be layer designed like Linux. >>> It will happen next year with MS Windows vNext, MS Windows Nano-Server, ASP.NET vNext... - all that products are in beta-phase now... -- Shamil >Friday, December 18, 2015 12:08 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence : > >Hi Shamil: > >Ha ha ha... > >You don't have time to learn Linux technology? You are actually learning it anyways; Azure, Nodejs, Docker etc...along with the other open licensed products. The only difference is that you are accessing this technology through a Microsoft GUI...or distro. Canonical (Ubuntu), Redhat, Suse and Apache, to name a few, are under full contract to build Microsoft its new infrastructure. > >All Microsoft products were built using the "integration" design method while Linux products are built on a "layered" design. That is why Microsoft, at this time, finds it so difficult to migrate their products to different platforms and hardware. It also makes Windows extremely unstable in unstable hardware environments. The Windows OS has to be completely debundled and basically rebuilt from scratch. There is an ongoing project within Microsoft that will allow the Windows core to install on a Raspberry PI but it is not an easy task... > >Microsoft is not standing still and is quickly moving towards the Linux world. They even have their own, in-shop Linux version distro ( http://bit.ly/1NBTiX7 ). > >I spoke to an old friend who is running a development shop, mostly using .Net, Visual Studio on Windows. He remarked, "I am too young for UNIX and too old for Linux so I work with Windows." He says by early in the new year his development team will have more Linux application programmers than Windows. > >I for one, really like the new direction Microsoft is going, under Satya Nadella. I believe that within ten years, the entire under-pinnings, of Microsoft will be Linux and their product line will be layer designed like Linux. > >So in summary, you will not have to move to Linux, Linux will move to you. ;-) > >Jim <<< skipped >>> > From accessd at shaw.ca Fri Dec 18 14:28:16 2015 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:28:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: [dba-VS] Microsoft Action Pack Subscription benefits In-Reply-To: <1450468581.972752876@f177.i.mail.ru> Message-ID: <98660678.34296478.1450470496135.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca> Hi Shamil: That I will agree with you. I did almost fifteen years coding at the command prompt then Windows appeared and now just give me a nice stable GUI. :-) OTOH, my only concern would be the price... Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" To: "Development in Visual Studio" Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 11:56:21 AM Subject: Re: [dba-VS] Microsoft Action Pack Subscription benefits Hi Jim -- <<< So in summary, you will not have to move to Linux, Linux will move to you. ;-) >>> Yes, this is exactly what I meant: why spend time with "pure Linux" when "MS Windows-powered Linux" is being brought to me by MS developers? <<< I believe that within ten years, the entire under-pinnings, of Microsoft will be Linux and their product line will be layer designed like Linux. >>> It will happen next year with MS Windows vNext, MS Windows Nano-Server, ASP.NET vNext... - all that products are in beta-phase now... -- Shamil >Friday, December 18, 2015 12:08 PM -07:00 from Jim Lawrence : > >Hi Shamil: > >Ha ha ha... > >You don't have time to learn Linux technology? You are actually learning it anyways; Azure, Nodejs, Docker etc...along with the other open licensed products. The only difference is that you are accessing this technology through a Microsoft GUI...or distro. Canonical (Ubuntu), Redhat, Suse and Apache, to name a few, are under full contract to build Microsoft its new infrastructure. > >All Microsoft products were built using the "integration" design method while Linux products are built on a "layered" design. That is why Microsoft, at this time, finds it so difficult to migrate their products to different platforms and hardware. It also makes Windows extremely unstable in unstable hardware environments. The Windows OS has to be completely debundled and basically rebuilt from scratch. There is an ongoing project within Microsoft that will allow the Windows core to install on a Raspberry PI but it is not an easy task... > >Microsoft is not standing still and is quickly moving towards the Linux world. They even have their own, in-shop Linux version distro ( http://bit.ly/1NBTiX7 ). > >I spoke to an old friend who is running a development shop, mostly using .Net, Visual Studio on Windows. He remarked, "I am too young for UNIX and too old for Linux so I work with Windows." He says by early in the new year his development team will have more Linux application programmers than Windows. > >I for one, really like the new direction Microsoft is going, under Satya Nadella. I believe that within ten years, the entire under-pinnings, of Microsoft will be Linux and their product line will be layer designed like Linux. > >So in summary, you will not have to move to Linux, Linux will move to you. ;-) > >Jim <<< skipped >>> > _______________________________________________ dba-VS mailing list dba-VS at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vs http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at gmail.com Sat Dec 26 10:10:25 2015 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W. Colby) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 11:10:25 -0500 Subject: [dba-VS] using mariadb with VS 2013 Message-ID: <567EBBF1.6070908@gmail.com> I am looking for a little help setting up mariadb on a windows dev machine running Server 2008. Once that is done setting up VS 2013 to use it. BTW has anyone used dbForgeFusion? https://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/EE6F81AD-5362-4BFF-902C-052162FA8881 If it does everything it claims it seems to be a very reasonable price. jwcolby From jwcolby at gmail.com Sat Dec 26 12:31:40 2015 From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John W. Colby) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:31:40 -0500 Subject: [dba-VS] Mariadb Message-ID: <567EDD0C.3050003@gmail.com> Well it ain't happening. I created a user, went around and round in the knowledge base until I finally stumbled on a download page which gave me a 64 bit install msi for windows which... wouldn't execute. The zip claimed to be corrupt. And folks wonder why MS has a lock on things. -- John W. Colby From mcp2004 at mail.ru Thu Dec 31 19:59:59 2015 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2016 04:59:59 +0300 Subject: [dba-VS] =?utf-8?q?WebBrowser_control_crashes_on_Windows_10?= Message-ID: <1451613599.789217774@f335.i.mail.ru> Hi All -- I have recently got the subject issue but with VS 2012 and Win 10 (latest build), different target web site. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/34540624/webbrowser-control-crashes-on-windows-10 Have you seen any solutions? -- ???????????? ??????