From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Apr  3 09:41:35 2017
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 14:41:35 +0000
Subject: [dba-VS] CodePlex will be shut down
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB1165B46BE81C1112F717A9EBCA080@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all

https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/bharry/2017/03/31/shutting-down-codeplex/

It will remain in read-only mode for a while, but move live projects to GitHub.

/gustav

From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Apr  3 12:37:53 2017
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 11:37:53 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [dba-VS] CodePlex will be shut down
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Unfortunate, but that seemed inevitable.

Jim

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From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Development in Visual Studio" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 7:41:35 AM
Subject: [dba-VS] CodePlex will be shut down

Hi all

https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/bharry/2017/03/31/shutting-down-codeplex/

It will remain in read-only mode for a while, but move live projects to GitHub.

/gustav
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Apr 10 03:31:01 2017
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 08:31:01 +0000
Subject: [dba-VS] Xamarin Studio Community
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB11653CE003DA16EB9369EAF9CA010@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all

Xamarin Studio Community is free for individual developers, open source projects, academic research, education, and small professional teams:

    https://www.xamarin.com/download

Write your apps entirely in C# and share the same code on iOS, Android, Windows, Mac and more.

Also for OS X.

/gustav

From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Apr 20 02:18:05 2017
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 07:18:05 +0000
Subject: [dba-VS] LightSwitch
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB11653E9D4EC2D2DAEB458CBACA1B0@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all

It appears that VS2015 was the last version of Visual Studio to include LightSwitch:

    https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/lightswitch/2016/10/14/lightswitch-update/

Though it will be supported like VS2015 until 2020, it may be the time to look for alternatives.
Microsoft recommends PowerApps but, as you may know, this at the current state is not a programming tool but a drag-n-drop type environment living in the cloud (Azure) only.

So, browsing the numerous comments in the above link, I've located some potential alternatives:

DotVVM:
    https://www.dotvvm.com

Serene:
   https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=VolkanCeylan.SereneSerenityApplicationTemplate

I've never heard of these before. Anyone having experience with these?

/gustav



From mcp2004 at mail.ru  Thu Apr 20 12:17:09 2017
From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?UTF-8?B?U2FsYWtoZXRkaW5vdiBTaGFtaWw=?=)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 20:17:09 +0300
Subject: [dba-VS] =?utf-8?q?LightSwitch?=
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Hi Gustav --

The alternatives look interesting, especially DotVMM (for me).

Although I'm learning Angular 4 here and as I have got to develop a real life project using Angular 4 for FE and ASP.NET Core/MS SQL for back-end.

As for Silverlight (Lightswitch's engine) - I have a Silverlight/RIA Services web app working for 1.5 years in a large local corporation. So far - no any issues.?

Thank you.

-- Shamil


>Thursday, April 20, 2017 10:23 AM +03:00 from Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>:
>
>Hi all
>
>It appears that VS2015 was the last version of Visual Studio to include LightSwitch:
>
>???? https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/lightswitch/2016/10/14/lightswitch-update/
>
>Though it will be supported like VS2015 until 2020, it may be the time to look for alternatives.
>Microsoft recommends PowerApps but, as you may know, this at the current state is not a programming tool but a drag-n-drop type environment living in the cloud (Azure) only.
>
>So, browsing the numerous comments in the above link, I've located some potential alternatives:
>
>DotVVM:
>???? https://www.dotvvm.com
>
>Serene:
>??? https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=VolkanCeylan.SereneSerenityApplicationTemplate
>
>I've never heard of these before. Anyone having experience with these?
>
>/gustav
>
>
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From jwcolby at gmail.com  Thu Apr 20 16:00:03 2017
From: jwcolby at gmail.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 17:00:03 -0400
Subject: [dba-VS] [AccessD] LightSwitch
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB11653E9D4EC2D2DAEB458CBACA1B0@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB11653E9D4EC2D2DAEB458CBACA1B0@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <58F92153.3040400@Gmail.com>

One of many reasons I so love MS.  Ohhh the latest and greatest... 
ooohhh we're abandoning yet ANOTHER technology we pushed you to use.

On 4/20/2017 3:18 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi all
>
> It appears that VS2015 was the last version of Visual Studio to include LightSwitch:
>
>      https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/lightswitch/2016/10/14/lightswitch-update/
>
> Though it will be supported like VS2015 until 2020, it may be the time to look for alternatives.
> Microsoft recommends PowerApps but, as you may know, this at the current state is not a programming tool but a drag-n-drop type environment living in the cloud (Azure) only.
>
> So, browsing the numerous comments in the above link, I've located some potential alternatives:
>
> DotVVM:
>      https://www.dotvvm.com
>
> Serene:
>     https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=VolkanCeylan.SereneSerenityApplicationTemplate
>
> I've never heard of these before. Anyone having experience with these?
>
> /gustav
>
>

-- 
John W. Colby


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Apr 20 20:04:57 2017
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 11:04:57 +1000
Subject: [dba-VS] [AccessD] LightSwitch
In-Reply-To: <58F92153.3040400@Gmail.com>
References: <VI1PR06MB11653E9D4EC2D2DAEB458CBACA1B0@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>,
	<58F92153.3040400@Gmail.com>
Message-ID: <58F95AB9.19040.1E141C25@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

One of the many reasons I'm very reluctant to adopt new MS technologies.  :(

dotVVM and Serenity  are yet more systems that rely on MS Servers and .Net.

I host websites on both *nix and MS servers.  Invariably the MS sites use far more resources 
(processing, storage and bandwidth) than similar sites running on Apache/MySQL/PHP.


-- 
Stuart


On 20 Apr 2017 at 17:00, John Colby wrote:

> One of many reasons I so love MS.  Ohhh the latest and greatest...
> ooohhh we're abandoning yet ANOTHER technology we pushed you to use.
> 
> On 4/20/2017 3:18 AM, Gustav Brock wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> > It appears that VS2015 was the last version of Visual Studio to
> > include LightSwitch:
> >
> >      https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/lightswitch/2016/10/14/lightsw
> >      itch-update/
> >
> > Though it will be supported like VS2015 until 2020, it may be the
> > time to look for alternatives. Microsoft recommends PowerApps but,
> > as you may know, this at the current state is not a programming tool
> > but a drag-n-drop type environment living in the cloud (Azure) only.
> >
> > So, browsing the numerous comments in the above link, I've located
> > some potential alternatives:
> >
> > DotVVM:
> >      https://www.dotvvm.com
> >
> > Serene:
> >     https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=VolkanCeylan
> >     .SereneSerenityApplicationTemplate
> >
> > I've never heard of these before. Anyone having experience with
> > these?
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Apr 21 01:47:44 2017
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 06:47:44 +0000
Subject: [dba-VS] LightSwitch
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB11654F6577DCBF9C8D4A7E5CCA1A0@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jim (and Shamil)

Yes, it looks interesting. But I've never heard about it until now, so zero experience.

There is also Electron:

    https://electron.atom.io/

which you can program in TypeScript - the superset of JavaScript:

    http://www.typescriptlang.org/

If you have ever struggled with JavaScript (who hasn't), you will love the use of classes and strong typing that is adds to JavaScript while still producing pure JavaScript.

By the way, did you know that Visual Studio Code:

    https://code.visualstudio.com/

is programmed entirely in TypeScript? The combo of VSCode and TypeScript adds Intellisense to JavaScript. A must-have - and open source so free to use at zero cost.

Recently, I attended a lecture with Anders Hejlsberg (the creator of TypeScript). He is a gifted lecturer (don't ever miss to attend if you get the chance). You know - from childhood you remember the single teacher you loved because he/she always could catch your attention and interest and the bell rang before you expected it. Anders does just that.

He also told, that he got the idea for TypeScript after having seen at the team in charge of OWA (the web interface for Outlook 365) how they had built a major construction in C# to manage and generate the huge amount of JavaScript code that drives the client.

So - back to where I came form - it was at that lecture Anders mentioned Electron, because the question about JavaScript on the desktop once again was raised.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 20. april 2017 21:19
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] LightSwitch

"DotVVM" looks like a very interesting product. Have you done any work it? 

There are so many applications out there, in the world of the internet, it is really difficult to decide which is the best horse to hitch to. Do you think the industry is heading towards more specialized wed applications or should the approach be more generic and possibly more stable (...given the example of LightSwitch)?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>, "Development in Visual Studio" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 12:18:05 AM
Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch

Hi all

It appears that VS2015 was the last version of Visual Studio to include LightSwitch:

    https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/lightswitch/2016/10/14/lightswitch-update/

Though it will be supported like VS2015 until 2020, it may be the time to look for alternatives.
Microsoft recommends PowerApps but, as you may know, this at the current state is not a programming tool but a drag-n-drop type environment living in the cloud (Azure) only.

So, browsing the numerous comments in the above link, I've located some potential alternatives:

DotVVM:
    https://www.dotvvm.com

Serene:
   https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=VolkanCeylan.SereneSerenityApplicationTemplate

I've never heard of these before. Anyone having experience with these?

/gustav 


From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Apr 24 02:31:08 2017
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 07:31:08 +0000
Subject: [dba-VS] LightSwitch
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB116581EF164F6CC3D2CB1156CA1F0@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jim

At the landing page of Visual Studio Code:

    https://code.visualstudio.com/

and here:

    https://code.visualstudio.com/#alt-downloads

you'll see downloads for Windows, MacOS, and Linux/Debian 32/64-bit

Visual Studio IDE (the new name for the full-featured VS) is in preview for Mac:

    https://www.visualstudio.com/vs/

Due to the vast count of Linux distributions I doubt VS will ever be available for Linux; it would be an overwhelming task to maintain the installation options of this extremely complex IDE including its hypervisors. It is already difficult enough with five Windows versions (7-10, 2012 R2/2016) plus Mac.

As for TypeScript, please note that it is not a framework for JavaScript, it is a superset of JavaScript generating pure JavaScript. 
Frameworks often are hard to manage which is why Angular 2 is built with TypeScript:

    https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/typescript/2015/03/05/angular-2-built-on-typescript/

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 24. april 2017 07:00
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] LightSwitch

Hi Gustav:

I understood that Electron is a framework for creating native applications that can run on various platforms. Didn't Microsoft use Electron to compile Visual Studio Code so it could run on OSx, Free BSD and Linux?  

As long as TypeScript is going to always be fully open source and have no dependencies on specific platforms its future is assured. TypeScript sounds like a advanced JavaScript framework of which there are many excellent ones...

Here is a lecture given by Anders Hejlsberg on TypeScript that seems very interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g48K9LEhHWs

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>, "Development in Visual Studio" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 11:47:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] LightSwitch

Hi Jim (and Shamil)

Yes, it looks interesting. But I've never heard about it until now, so zero experience.

There is also Electron:

    https://electron.atom.io/

which you can program in TypeScript - the superset of JavaScript:

    http://www.typescriptlang.org/

If you have ever struggled with JavaScript (who hasn't), you will love the use of classes and strong typing that is adds to JavaScript while still producing pure JavaScript.

By the way, did you know that Visual Studio Code:

    https://code.visualstudio.com/

is programmed entirely in TypeScript? The combo of VSCode and TypeScript adds Intellisense to JavaScript. A must-have - and open source so free to use at zero cost.

Recently, I attended a lecture with Anders Hejlsberg (the creator of TypeScript). He is a gifted lecturer (don't ever miss to attend if you get the chance). You know - from childhood you remember the single teacher you loved because he/she always could catch your attention and interest and the bell rang before you expected it. Anders does just that.

He also told, that he got the idea for TypeScript after having seen at the team in charge of OWA (the web interface for Outlook 365) how they had built a major construction in C# to manage and generate the huge amount of JavaScript code that drives the client.

So - back to where I came form - it was at that lecture Anders mentioned Electron, because the question about JavaScript on the desktop once again was raised.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 20. april 2017 21:19
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] LightSwitch

"DotVVM" looks like a very interesting product. Have you done any work it? 

There are so many applications out there, in the world of the internet, it is really difficult to decide which is the best horse to hitch to. Do you think the industry is heading towards more specialized wed applications or should the approach be more generic and possibly more stable (...given the example of LightSwitch)?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>, "Development in Visual Studio" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 12:18:05 AM
Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch

Hi all

It appears that VS2015 was the last version of Visual Studio to include LightSwitch:

    https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/lightswitch/2016/10/14/lightswitch-update/

Though it will be supported like VS2015 until 2020, it may be the time to look for alternatives.
Microsoft recommends PowerApps but, as you may know, this at the current state is not a programming tool but a drag-n-drop type environment living in the cloud (Azure) only.

So, browsing the numerous comments in the above link, I've located some potential alternatives:

DotVVM:
    https://www.dotvvm.com

Serene:
   https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=VolkanCeylan.SereneSerenityApplicationTemplate

I've never heard of these before. Anyone having experience with these?

/gustav 


From darren at activebilling.com.au  Thu Apr 20 02:23:15 2017
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren - Active Billing)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 17:23:15 +1000
Subject: [dba-VS] LightSwitch
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From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren - Active Billing)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 03:24:48 +1000
Subject: [dba-VS] LightSwitch
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Thu Apr 20 16:05:57 2017
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren - Active Billing)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 07:05:57 +1000
Subject: [dba-VS] [AccessD] LightSwitch
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Thu Apr 20 20:06:15 2017
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren - Active Billing)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 11:06:15 +1000
Subject: [dba-VS] [AccessD] LightSwitch
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From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren - Active Billing)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 16:57:30 +1000
Subject: [dba-VS] LightSwitch
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Mon Apr 24 02:41:43 2017
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Subject: [dba-VS] LightSwitch
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Apr 26 01:03:38 2017
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 06:03:38 +0000
Subject: [dba-VS] LightSwitch
Message-ID: <VI1PR06MB11656D1BE55752BF9C9AE721CA110@VI1PR06MB1165.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jm

Thanks for the RAM info. I tried open VSCode, but on Windows it eats just 200 MB, so that seems quite different to me.

Everything speaks for TypeScript, if you ask me. Classes, strong typing, and IntelliSense at nearly the same level as in Visual Studio says it all.

As for frameworks, you'll get as many answers as people you ask because none fits everything and you tend to use what already feel comfortable with.
However, exactly Angular and React are very different animals, so you cannot claim one to be better or more preferable than the other. One opinion at SitePoint which I noticed from a link on CodeProject yesterday can be found here:

    Choosing between React and Angular: An in-Depth Comparison
    https://www.codeproject.com/News.aspx?ntag=19837497599856371&_z=3276586

Neither of these will be depreciated in the near future.

/gustav

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 25. april 2017 21:03
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] LightSwitch

Hi Gustav:

I already have VisualStudio Code installed on one machines. It is definitely a nice editor.

All my Linux systems are Debian based so compatibility is a non-issue. The code version of VS, is just a webbed version of the editor, compiled under Electron (https://electron.atom.io/), an OSS application. The one big draw-back to compiling web apps under Electron, is that each app, under-the-hood is an almost complete version of the Chrome browser. I have found that unless you have a computer with at least 8GB of RAM (preferred 16GB) a system will do a lot of disk swapping. I like to have FF, Chrome and VS code running at the same time which is impossible on anything but my newest rig.  

I have not checked out TypeScript yet...the link you gave was a couple of years old (20 years in computer time. ;-)) You would strongly recommend getting up to speed in TypeScript?  

I am just getting a handle on AngularJS but I have been told by some millennium developers, that the framework is now passe. They are saying I should be learning React JS and Vue JS instead as they are more specific, dynamic, modular and faster. Have you heard anything about these two frameworks? (I don't what to spend too much time on any tech that might depreciate in a year or so.)

Jim
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>, "Development in Visual Studio" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 12:31:08 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] LightSwitch

Hi Jim

At the landing page of Visual Studio Code:

    https://code.visualstudio.com/

and here:

    https://code.visualstudio.com/#alt-downloads

you'll see downloads for Windows, MacOS, and Linux/Debian 32/64-bit

Visual Studio IDE (the new name for the full-featured VS) is in preview for Mac:

    https://www.visualstudio.com/vs/

Due to the vast count of Linux distributions I doubt VS will ever be available for Linux; it would be an overwhelming task to maintain the installation options of this extremely complex IDE including its hypervisors. It is already difficult enough with five Windows versions (7-10, 2012 R2/2016) plus Mac.

As for TypeScript, please note that it is not a framework for JavaScript, it is a superset of JavaScript generating pure JavaScript. 
Frameworks often are hard to manage which is why Angular 2 is built with TypeScript:

    https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/typescript/2015/03/05/angular-2-built-on-typescript/

/gustav

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Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 24. april 2017 07:00
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] LightSwitch

Hi Gustav:

I understood that Electron is a framework for creating native applications that can run on various platforms. Didn't Microsoft use Electron to compile Visual Studio Code so it could run on OSx, Free BSD and Linux?  

As long as TypeScript is going to always be fully open source and have no dependencies on specific platforms its future is assured. TypeScript sounds like a advanced JavaScript framework of which there are many excellent ones...

Here is a lecture given by Anders Hejlsberg on TypeScript that seems very interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g48K9LEhHWs

Jim

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From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>, "Development in Visual Studio" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 11:47:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] LightSwitch

Hi Jim (and Shamil)

Yes, it looks interesting. But I've never heard about it until now, so zero experience.

There is also Electron:

    https://electron.atom.io/

which you can program in TypeScript - the superset of JavaScript:

    http://www.typescriptlang.org/

If you have ever struggled with JavaScript (who hasn't), you will love the use of classes and strong typing that is adds to JavaScript while still producing pure JavaScript.

By the way, did you know that Visual Studio Code:

    https://code.visualstudio.com/

is programmed entirely in TypeScript? The combo of VSCode and TypeScript adds Intellisense to JavaScript. A must-have - and open source so free to use at zero cost.

Recently, I attended a lecture with Anders Hejlsberg (the creator of TypeScript). He is a gifted lecturer (don't ever miss to attend if you get the chance). You know - from childhood you remember the single teacher you loved because he/she always could catch your attention and interest and the bell rang before you expected it. Anders does just that.

He also told, that he got the idea for TypeScript after having seen at the team in charge of OWA (the web interface for Outlook 365) how they had built a major construction in C# to manage and generate the huge amount of JavaScript code that drives the client.

So - back to where I came form - it was at that lecture Anders mentioned Electron, because the question about JavaScript on the desktop once again was raised.

/gustav

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Fra: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Jim Lawrence
Sendt: 20. april 2017 21:19
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Emne: Re: [AccessD] LightSwitch

"DotVVM" looks like a very interesting product. Have you done any work it? 

There are so many applications out there, in the world of the internet, it is really difficult to decide which is the best horse to hitch to. Do you think the industry is heading towards more specialized wed applications or should the approach be more generic and possibly more stable (...given the example of LightSwitch)?

Jim

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From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>, "Development in Visual Studio" databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 12:18:05 AM
Subject: [AccessD] LightSwitch

Hi all

It appears that VS2015 was the last version of Visual Studio to include LightSwitch:

    https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/lightswitch/2016/10/14/lightswitch-update/

Though it will be supported like VS2015 until 2020, it may be the time to look for alternatives.
Microsoft recommends PowerApps but, as you may know, this at the current state is not a programming tool but a drag-n-drop type environment living in the cloud (Azure) only.

So, browsing the numerous comments in the above link, I've located some potential alternatives:

DotVVM:
    https://www.dotvvm.com

Serene:
   https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=VolkanCeylan.SereneSerenityApplicationTemplate

I've never heard of these before. Anyone having experience with these?

/gustav