Dan Waters
dwaters at usinternet.com
Sat Dec 15 09:27:09 CST 2007
I just finished watching the intro video for Visual Web Developer Express 2008. It has the same tools and layout as FP and Expression Web, plus a lot more. It looks like the tools I was using in Expression are the same tools as in VWD. And, VWD has more - which can of course be ignored. Given that VWD is free, I would go in that direction. Her learning curve will be identical between FP and VWD. And the guy who's teaching would be doing a favor to his clients by moving to VWD as well. Also, MS has a selection of videos which are quite helpful. The Intro to VWD is at: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/beginner/bb964635.aspx Also, MS is no longer supporting FP Server Extensions. They are still there, but will go away someday. I've also had problems uploading my site when FP Extensions are turned on (at my host site) and those problems went away when I turned FP Extensions off. The only reason I was using FP Extensions was to be able to upload using HTTP, which requires FP Extensions. Now I upload using FTP. Another choice I haven't tried is to upload using WebDAV - which IIRC is more secure than FTP. I'll be using VWD later today and I'll post my experiences tomorrow. Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 8:46 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: FrontPage Websites My sister-in-law Katie in Rochester, NY has hired this retired guy that does computer instruction for older people, quite the niche market. Anyway, Katie is retired from teaching and has opened a consulting business. This guy is helping her set up a web site using Front Page, because he knows that and because (he claims) the user can use FP to modify things themselves. thus he will show her how to use FP, help her get the web site hosted and running, and then she can do stuff herself, and he can help if she runs into trouble. Now I used FP back in the early 2000s and didn't much like it, but I imagine it has come a long ways since then and maybe it is a good answer for this scenario. Katie is NOT a computer person, though certainly not computer illiterate. I do not do web page stuff as anyone who has seen my site knows. Mine is DotNetNuke based precisely because I can at least just edit text to add stuff to the page. So for Katie, what is recommended? Is Expression as easy but more powerful? I can get ahold of her mentor to nudge him in that direction, but in the end Katie wants to be able to do the simple stuff herself. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 8:54 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: FrontPage Websites This is Just In Time! I was going to spend the day doing some web site work, so I'll try it out in WDE instead. Thanks! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 4:55 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: FrontPage Websites Dan Expression Web is the official successor to Front Page ...but with the release of VS8 WDE there is no longer any reason for anyone who writes code to use Expression ...VS8 WDE is free, has incorporated the CSS designer from Expression, adds more data controls, and offers so many, many other features Expression lacks ...I still have Expression installed but haven't used it since installing VS8. William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: FrontPage Websites > Also, > > MS Expression Web is a successor to FrontPage. If you have FP you qualify > for 'upgrade' pricing to Expression Web - I paid about $90. > > To the user it 'feels like' FrontPage, but it does support asp.net. > Expression Web leans more to the Designer side, while Web Developer > Express > leans more to the Developer side. You can work on the same site with both > programs if that turns out to be helpful. > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 2:15 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: FrontPage Websites > > ...sigh ...shakes head ...Asp and Front Page are dead ...long replaced by > Asp.Net and Visual Studio Web Designer Express Version 8, both of which > are > free, easier to use, and incredibly more capable. > > William > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 1:00 PM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: FrontPage Websites > > >> Ok, here's the first of the two classes in my SiteNav2006.dll. There is >> also a module, for my DBConnect function, which just sets the >> ADODB.Connection argument to a new ADODB.Connection, set's it's provider >> to Jet 4.0, then sets the extended proprerty for the workgroup file and >> opens the secured database. >> >> This is the Node Class: >> >> Option Explicit >> Public ID As Long >> Public ParentID As Long >> Public URL As String >> Public Title As String >> Public RootNode As Boolean >> Dim MyNodes As Collection >> Private Sub Class_Initialize() >> Set MyNodes = New Collection >> End Sub >> Property Get ChildCount() As Long >> ChildCount = MyNodes.Count >> End Property >> Friend Function AddChild(nd As Node) >> MyNodes.Add nd >> End Function >> Property Get ChildNode(intPos As Long) As Node >> Set ChildNode = MyNodes(intPos) >> End Property >> Public Function NewEnum() As IUnknown >> Set NewEnum = MyNodes.[_NewEnum] >> End Function >> >> My next email will have the Nodes class. The code is a little long, so >> I'm crossing my fingers that it will post. 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