Jim Lawrence
accessd at shaw.ca
Wed Feb 13 16:11:44 CST 2013
Hi Gustav: It is hardly that I do not trust a company like Google, it is just the realization that if you are not paying for a product then you are the product. When, I was still in the business and was working with many banks and trading houses all their correspondence was done through encrypted VPNs Some using a proprietary 512 bit double encryption system...far beyond the capabilties of any person or government to de-encrypt...today at least. (Talk about paranoid) They took no chances that private and personal information would be open to the general public or some third-party mail distributor. While within their institutions there was no employee access to such clients as Facebook or GMail period...for obvious reasons. I also worked for CSIS, the Canadian version of the US CIA, through the provincial government and they were even more paranoid. Needless to say, all their mail services were in house. As the old saying goes, "If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear." Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:54 PM To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SPAM filter for Windows SBS 2011 Hi Jim I don't know really. The add match thing is mostly relevant if you use the Gmail web-interface but who knows if Google also compares your IP address when searching with the IP address used by your IMAP or POP3 client? If you are paranoid, dark ages are certainly facing you. We have a spamfilter service here like the one Stuart mentions. Once I called them on behalf of a client because of some trouble, and the first-line techie could at once from the log list the in and outgoing mail traffic by senders and receivers during the last hours. It was an eye-opener. The client was a Public Relations Agency, and you know what kind of confidential stuff may be interchanged in that business. And there you were with a who-know-what youngster able to follow that traffic and, probably, reading it as well should he wish to. The client even paid these people. This is where the ISPs may be different. I don't think they read your mail because it serves no purpose only adding costs. It's different for Google and Yahoo - it is fuel for them - and the authorities who scan for very different purposes not related to money. So I think I prefer to run my own mail server and own spam filter and believe in the "open postcard" scenario; the postman doesn't read all postcards he brings out - there is not enough time, and the obtained information would be mostly useless. /gustav >>> accessd at shaw.ca 13-02-13 19:16 >>> Hi Gustav: So what you are saying is that be safe, install and use your own mail server? Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 2:34 AM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SPAM filter for Windows SBS 2011 Hi John and Stuart > you could just as well get a corporate account at Google mail .. I think I'll reconsider that advice ... at least advice to think twice. http://www.scroogled.com/ <quote> Even if you're not a Gmail user, Google still goes through your personal email sent to [and from] Gmail .. </quote> Scary. Outlook.com claims to be different, but we only have MS' words for it. /gustav -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] På vegne af Gustav Brock Sendt: 12. februar 2013 15:28 Til: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] SPAM filter for Windows SBS 2011 Hi John and Stuart One severe issue with such services is, that you don't know who else might be reading your incoming mail. I know, e-mail is like open postcards but still. If you (your client) is ready to take the step anyway, you could just as well get a corporate account at Google mail or Microsoft, move your primary MX to that, and set automatic forwarding of all mail to your local mail server. This way you will even have automatic archiving of all incoming mail at no added cost. /gustav -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 4:32 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] SPAM filter for Windows SBS 2011 Depending on your cicrumstances, onlline filtering may the the way to go. I resell these guys in PNG and am very impressed with them: http://onlinespamsolutions.com/ -- Stuart _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com