Jim Lawrence
accessd at shaw.ca
Mon Feb 18 17:14:15 CST 2013
Hi Shamil: It is just that I will be struggling through a website and the owner, a small artist, wants MS functionality...and the client was not happy that the site will now cost more so they have limited the site size to match their budget...it is not pleasant situation as they hold me somehow responsible. So I was just rambling being on the immediate topic. Personally, I could care less about who makes a browser or who does not. The only one requirement I have is that it works and works right and, at the moment, up to my eyebrows in page hacks, I really could not care how this task is achieved. Now I know why, as of a January poll, only 12 percent of web developers develop in Microsoft, down from 15 percent last October. I apologies for not being very philosophical about this but Microsoft has the money and techs to make the Trident engine compatible so it is mandatory to get their house in order...or their worse fears and maybe ours, that the unfortunate uniculture of the Webkit will be a fact...and Microsoft will be to blame. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov Shamil Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 1:06 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FYI: Moving to "nirvana": if Microsoft were to shift to WebKit, you can thank Opera. Hi Jim -- Thank you for your reply. I must note I haven't written a word on defense of MS in my last posting you have replied to. Why do you repeat that "mantra": "Microsoft-bad-boys, Microsoft-bad-boys..."? BTW, I do suppose Microsoft does learn well from their own mistakes, and they do pay high price for that lessons - and it's everybody's own choice to use their technologies and tools (and "share their fails") or not. But the issue I mentioned wasn't about Microsoft - the issue, which was so well articulated by the author (from FireFox/Mozilla/Gecko/Servo "camp") I referred to, I have to repeat: "What we do know is that in technology, we've never been served well by monocultures - we know this for sure. I worry that in our desire for clearer definition, easier standards, faster progress, we're forgetting that we know this. Same as it ever was, I suppose." And so my question is: "Why do you and Hans expect that WebKit monoculture will play well in long run?" (Forks do not make Webkit "mutli-cultural" as it's explained in the article I've referred to). As far as I see "Mozilla-boys" do not have any strong objections on existence of Trident engine, actually they greet the fact that there are several competing rendering/Javascript engines, and they expect more to come in the near future... Thank you. -- Shamil Понедельник, 18 февраля 2013, 12:16 -08:00 от "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>: >Hi Shamil: > >From a developers point of view, I have never had any issues with Mozilla as >they have either made and/or adhered close to the industry standards. In >this business they are one of the good guys and I hope they keep doing what >they are doing. > >Imagine a railway that has half a dozen variations of track widths. That >would be a disaster in the making. All our equipment communicates via >standards in protocols and that does not mean each company using those >protocols is part of a uniculture. Imagine what would happen in a family if >every member spoke a different language and refused to communicate in a >common agreed upon dialect. > >Microsoft, with its browser has been the industry bad-boy. I suspect that >much their deviation from the industries standards stems from the time when >they were the computer uniculture and what was good for Microsoft was good >for the industry. I think the company has been a little bitter and has been >resistant to the new directions and has been muddying the browser market for >the last five years and now they are suffering appropriately. > >OTOH, I do think or at least hope, that Microsoft can get over themselves >and that they have learned to be a good citizen like Mozilla and the calls >for MS to change their FE to Webkit will no longer be necessary. > >Jim > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Salakhetdinov >Shamil >Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 9:59 AM >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] FYI: Moving to "nirvana": if Microsoft were to shift >to WebKit, you can thank Opera. > > Hi Jim -- > >Thank you for the link - what about the following opinions coming from >"Firefox-camp" (read the articles): > >"What we do know is that in technology, we've never been served well by >monocultures - we know this for sure. I worry that in our desire for clearer >definition, easier standards, faster progress, we're forgetting that we know >this. Same as it ever was, I suppose." > >http://lilly.tumblr.com/post/43088488614/a-few-folks-have-asked-me-what-i-t h >ink-of-the-news > >"Why Mozilla Matters" - "At the Mozilla mission level, monoculture > remains a problem that we must fight. The web needs multiple >implementations of its evolving standards to keep them interoperable." > >https://brendaneich.com/2013/02/why-mozilla-matters > >-- Shamil <<< skipped >>> > _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com