Charlotte Foust
cfoust at infostatsystems.com
Mon Feb 23 14:37:06 CST 2009
One big difference between the express and full versions is that express doesn't support add-ins. I'm working on an article using express and am bemoaning the absence of my beloved MZ-Tools! Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 2:24 PM To: Discussion concerning Visual Basic and related programming issues. Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access toVB.Net(cross-posted) ...just in case you've not noticed it but the visual studio express versions of vb.net and c#.net are free and there is a LOT of high quality video training available gratis on ms ...I finally coughed up for the vs pro 8 but don't think you have to have it to build your first apps ...ms has done vs right ...real developers writing tools they would be pleased to use themselves ...to damn bad some of that talent wasn't used on Ak27. ...for instance, with access you build tree views according to what ms gives you ...a few properties here and there but basically you're stuck with what you can push the mscomctl6 to do ...with vs and .net, you can pretty much build whatever pleases you or your client's fancy and you don't have to start from scratch either ...and there is soooooooooo much sample code available that your problem becomes not finding help but filtering out the really good stuff from the chaff ...and don't let us scare you into thinking you have to move to c# ...I started with vb.net and when I found a good code source that was available only in c#, I also found that there are some excellent web sites that do pretty good c# to vb translations for free ...so even though its an extra step, its there and easy to use ...but if you're like gustav or even me, you start seeing the obvious ...the code really isn't that different and if you can write one, you can write and use the other. William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:23 AM To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>; "<dba-vb" <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [dba-VB] [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net(cross-posted) > Hi Dan > > Nearly my words, except that I haven't spent a single Euro on neither > tools nor resources. I was prepared to for reporting but the report > viewer of VS2008 is great. Also, I've found that VS and .Net can > easily keep you busy 24 hours a day should you feel so, so no need for > further items to investigate. > > I too moved to C#. After 15 years with Access Basic and VBA I felt > that a challenge would be fine. MS does a good job to provide code > examples in both VB.NET and C# but, if you look around for tips and > code, C# is the rule and VB.NET is the exception. > > It tool me half a year to feel that my feet was on the ground. Now I > love it. Visual Studio is really a star of MS. > > /gustav > >>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 21-02-2009 07:41 >>> > Dan > > ...first time out you will have a significant learning curve ...plus > outlays of money and time for tools and resources necessary to dupe > what Access does by its lonesome ...time to build your own code > library ...time to learn which web resources know what they are doing > and which don't (too damn many of those) ...and looking for a > replacement for AccessD which there isn't even as much as dba-vb tries > (maybe you can help) ...and you will spend a lot more time getting a > prototype to work. > > ...depends on how much of that cost you can absorb and how much you > want to charge the client for ...my rough guess would be a minimum of > 2.5 x the same app in Access ...but that's me and my apps and there > are a LOT of things you could run into that will take you days to > figure out ...things that are givens in Access or simply don't exist > in the .net world. > > ...but then you learn classes and inheritance and you start to figure > out that .net has one heck of a lot of more stuff already built in > than access if you just know how to find and use it ...and then you > find yourself doing things you never thought possible ...and your next > .net app is a lot easier and quicker to produce ...and a lot more fun. > > ...I'm working in access again now because that's what the client > wants ...I find it ...um ...stodgy ...for lack of a better word > ...what it does, it does pretty well and I've built a nice gui over > the years so it doesn't look like access ...but if you can get over > that first hump, you'll find that .net and visual studio are awesome > by comparison. > > ...btw ...don't just assume that vb.net is the right tool for you > ...its not vba and the syntax is deceptively different ...I spent a > lot of time in vb.net before I swallowed hard and started playing with > c#.net because, among other reasons, the quality and quantity of .net > code resources in c# is much higher than it is in vb > > ...if you take the work, sign up for the dba-vb list ...gustav and > shamil are already there waiting. > > ...hth > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com> > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:54 PM > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>; "'Discussion concerning Visual Basic > and related programming issues.'" <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com> > Subject: [AccessD] Conversion Time: Access to VB.Net (cross-posted) > >> Does anyone have any rough estimates on converting an Access FE to a >> VB.Net FE? I know this depends on many factors, but a client has >> asked me to provide a rough estimate today. I have just begun >> learning this, so I don't know yet. >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Thanks! >> Dan > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-VB mailing list > dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb > http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com