[AccessD] OT: RE:Tag Line of William Hindman

Wortz, Charles CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
Wed Apr 9 13:54:36 CDT 2003


Freedom is not free.  Some of those that have only known the benefits of
freedom are among the least willing to bear the responsibilities of
freedom.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Greg S [mailto:weeden1949 at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 Apr 09 13:48
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: RE:Tag Line of William Hindman

Lambert:

So, freedom is a fiasco?  Strange way to think.

Greg

PS:  Please pardon my response OT to another OT...I'll cease it now.
<vbg>



----- Original Message -----
From: "Heenan, Lambert" <Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 1:29 PM
Subject: [AccessD] RE:Tag Line of William Hindman


William,

You quote a J.S. Mill comment about war.

"War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and
degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing
is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is
willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal
safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless
made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."  John
Stuart Mill

Is it to justify the present fiasco? To further put down those people
who did not agree with the US/UK invading Iraq for the reasons their
governments stated? Are you yet another of those who cannot / will not
see the difference between supporting our troops and supporting our
government? The republican masses and mass media - encouraged by their
leaders - continue to perpetuate the false notion that to disagree with
the president and the war is to wish harm to our troops - to be
unpatriotic - but any plain thinking person who can see beyond the
blinkers knows this is simply A LIE to foster discontent come polling
time.

It's a shame that you use a quote from a philosopher who was writing in
the context, and within the shores of the greatest single example of
imperial pillage that the world has ever know: the British Empire, who's
expansion was in full swing at the time. It is also ironic as Mill was
amongst the most radically Liberal politicians of his time. Though never
a socialist, he advocated public ownership of natural resources, women's
rights, birth control and universal suffrage  to mention just a few.
None of which appear to be foremost in the minds of the republican
administration. There may well be something more ugly thing than 'the
decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks
that nothing is worth war', it could just be the current USA
administration which shows no limit to its hypocrisy.

Sorry off the O/T nature of this post, but if we have to read the such
out of context remarks in peoples' tag lines I think they need
responding to on the main list - at least once!

Lambert


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