Drew Wutka
DWUTKA at marlow.com
Fri Aug 22 09:36:37 CDT 2003
I don't know, if my company set something like that up, I think I would just hack into the system, and completely remove any possibility of them getting any data out whatsoever! Drew -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Bruen [mailto:bbruen at bigpond.com] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 6:35 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: RE: [AccessD] A "Real World Example" of Piss Poor Programming Pra ctice Alan, This sounds very much like an input only system created by people with little technical skill and too much time on their hands. I suggest you persevere, enter all your resume, all your resume, back to preschool at least, and don't forget to include your college holiday employment as a portable whale trainer and that 23 year stint as an eskimo wrangler. Get your colleges to contribute likewise. Speak quietly to your boss, convince him of your need to engage the services of a left handed Adelphi code repositioner fluent in the Swiss language and have him sent the request to HR 3 or 4 days after the "critical" deadline. I am sure that any fears your have and all of your doubts about the usefuleness of the employee resume database will be allayed by the speed at which your request is addressed. Cheers Bruce -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawhon, Alan C Contractor/Morgan Research Sent: Thursday, 21 August 2003 7:07 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: RE: [AccessD] A "Real World Example" of Piss Poor Programming Pra ctice Arthur: That's what I was doing, Arthur, but on one of the text boxes, (i.e. my current job with my current employer), I had to do "creative writing" - composing on the fly as I had not updated my resume in quite some time. Apparently, I took too long to come up with those 1,000 words. Yea, you're right: Always assume the worst. :-((( Alan -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 3:42 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: RE: [AccessD] A "Real World Example" of Piss Poor Programming Practice Write it in NotePad or NoteTab or whatever then paste the bits into the appropriate controls. You're far too experienced to fall for this, Alan. I've read lots of your posts and you are far from stupid. Always assume the worst. Arthur -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Lawhon, Alan C Contractor/Morgan Research Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 3:43 PM To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com Cc: 'Elam, Debbie' Subject: [AccessD] A "Real World Example" of Piss Poor Programming Practice Several weeks ago the HR (Human Resources) Department in my company sent out an email informing all of us that we had to enter our resumes into a "new" HR database that they had developed. We were given a deadline (this coming Friday) for entering the data and told how important it was to complete this task. The HR Manager stated (in the email) that any employee failing to meet the Friday deadline would be reported to his/her immediate supervisor. So I spent two hours (yesterday afternoon) entering my data only to experience the following calamity: -----Original Message----- From: Lawhon, Alan C Contractor/Morgan Research [mailto:alan.lawhon at us.army.mil] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:40 AM To: <addressee deleted to protect the guilty> Subject: Problem With the Morgan HR Database ... Dear HR Database Problem Fixer: I spent a considerable amount of time yesterday afternoon loading my resume into Morgan's new HR database. I had completed "Step 11" of the process, (loading Employment Information), when time ran out - I had to vacate the building. In accordance with the printed instructions, I clicked the "Save & Exit" button. The screen immediately went blank and an error message: "HTTP 404 Termination" or "HTTP 403 error" (or some similar wording) appeared in the upper left-hand corner of the screen. As my heart sank, I immediately reentered the program and my worst fear was confirmed: Not a single character of the entered data (not even the blank spaces) was saved. :-((( I was VERY CAREFUL to follow the program instructions precisely and to NOT exceed the 1,000 character limit - including spaces - in any of the fields. (There were a few fields that I left blank as I did not know - or could not remember - the information.) Obviously, I will have to reenter all the data and try again, but before I do that I have two questions. First, have you had similar reports (from other users) of this problem with the program? Since I was concentrating my effort almost exclusively on the information I was entering, I didn't click the "Save & Exit" button until the very end - which may have been a mistake on my part. I guess my second question is as follows: What assurance is there that this program will function properly and actually save entered data? Alan C. Lawhon -------------- I received the following response to my inquiry. -----Original Message----- From: Tim <a Support Tech with the Company that Developed This Kludge> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:47 AM To: Lawhon, Alan C Contractor/Morgan Research; Subject: RE: Problem With the Morgan HR Database ... Alan, My apologies for your trouble, but you must click the "Save & Exit" buttons to save each screen's data. This is clearly posted at the top of each screen in red, stating: "If you do not click one of the "Save" buttons your information will not be saved." Regarding the termination problem, the error you received indicates it was not a problem with the software, but with your connection. Here is a note from our lead programmer: """If he had received an application error, it would have logged it to the windows even log, sent us email, and forwarded him on to the Error.aspx form page for further feedback. As none of these things happened, then there was some error that was external (and out of our hands) to the B2Secure application. It sounds like his internet connection dropped. Just for reference, the session time out is set to 90 minutes. Had he exceeded this amount of time without clicking anything, he would have been sent to the login page (without error) and his information would have been lost as well.""" As for the integrity of the system functioning properly and saving data, we have received no other complaints. Thanks, Tim ------------- Following is my reply to "Tim" (and his "lead programmer" ...) Tim: I would be grateful if you relayed a brief message to your lead programmer. In a well designed GUI interface, if you have not implemented a periodic "auto backup" feature which executes seamlessly in the background, (let's say once every ten minutes), you should design and implement a "warning" dialogue box which displays a message to the user approximately five minutes before any session timeout occurs. This dialogue should inform the user that he/she must save their work immediately. Allowing a session timeout to occur, with a subsequent loss of data, is indicative of poor programming design and inadequate testing. As for your contention that "... the system is functioning properly and we have received no other complaints," that does not jell with what I am hearing. Alan C. Lawhon Debbie Elam: I feel your pain! :-((( _______________________________________________ AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. 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