Heenan, Lambert
Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com
Wed Jul 9 15:00:12 CDT 2003
Ho hum... With a data sample of four (major versions of a 32 bit MS operating system, home and office use) the use of the word "usually" is doubtful at best (statistically speaking, and we should all know what Benjamin Disraeli had to say about statistics *). The approximate release dates were: Business O/S (workstation versions - not server versions - that's a whole other story) NT 3.5, 1992 NT 4.0, 1996 Win 2000,1999 Win XP, 2002 Home O/S Win 95, 1995 Win 98, 1998 Win 98 SE, 1999? Win ME, 2000 Win XP home, 2002 With the solitary exception of XP, none of these home O/Ss was ever characterized as a "home version/edition" of any of the business O/Ss. Nor have any home O/Ss been release with any regard to what was going on in the Business O/S side of the house, until XP, nor was there release timetable tied to that of the business O/Ss. They are two different animals. Home O/Ss are "designed" to just about run and not lock the poor users out because they forget their password. They all are deficient one way or another when compared to their distant relatives in the business O/S range. Lambert :-) * Benjamin Disraeli said "There are lies, damned lies and statistics." (often attributed to Mark Twain - though HE sites Disraeli in his autobiography.) > -----Original Message----- > From: Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 2:24 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: WinXP Personal > > The Home and Professional editions usually aren't released on the same > day. > What I mean by Home 'release' is that it's an OS release 'update' to the > home version, which usually is close to the next release of the current > 'professional' package. NT came before 98, and ME came before W2k...I > don't > know if XP was released with Home and Pro at the exact same time or not. > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 11:50 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: WinXP Personal > > > Not a lot :-) > > What's the difference between "Home version" and "Home release". And NT 4 > came out well before Win 98 (July 1996 in fact). > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 12:30 PM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: WinXP Personal > > > > I didn't mean that ME was a 'Home version' of W2k, what I meant was it > was > > the Home 'release' for Windows 2000. It was introduced about the same > > time > > as W2k, just like NT 4.0 and 98. Yes ME was built on 9x technology, XP > > Home > > is the first 'home' windows version that is actually built on NT > > technology, > > but it is built to emulate 9x functionality. Make sense? > > > > Drew > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 11:09 AM > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: WinXP Personal > > > > > > Nonsense. Millennium edition was just a tweaked version of Win 98. In no > > way > > could you call it a home version of Windows 2000, it has/had none of the > > security features of W2K and the O/S kernel was essentially the same as > > Win > > 98, including the stupid 64k of resources (I believe) that were always > > running out. About the only things the Millennium had in common with W2K > > were it's ability to 'hide' important O/S files and it could run Media > > Player 7.0. > > > > I agree with the rest of your comments though. XP Pro is the M$ effort > to > > keep the revenue coming in. W2K was too stable and people were getting > > stuck > > on it. So push out a new O/S, wait a 'decent' interval before > withdrawing > > support for W2K and at the same time introduce 'subscription' licenses. > > There you go - a never ending stream of revenue. > > > > Lambert > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 11:54 AM > > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: WinXP Personal > > > > > > Actually, there was a Home version of Windows 2000, it was called > > > MILLENIUM > > > Edition. > > > > > > Also, Windows XP Pro does have a few features that are nice, but > > comparing > > > Windows 2000 to ANY of it's predecessors, including NT 4.0, and then > > > comparing XP to 2k is like apples and oranges. 2k was a major > > improvement > > > in almost every way. XP is prettier, and has a few (very few) bonus > > > features. The boot time on XP is nice, but quite frankly, who cares? > I > > > usually leave my machines on 99% of the time, so during that tiny 1%, > 2k > > > usually boots by the time I get a glass of water anyways! > > > > > > A lot of XP's 'bonus' features are also just features that were > > available > > > with relatively free software packages, such as Winzip, ZoneAlarm, > etc. > > > > > > I'm not saying XP Pro is bad, I'm just saying it is not very > impressive > > > compared to it's predecessor. > > > > > > Also, for your 'example', look at Access. You have Access, then you > > have > > > the developers addition. Access is for everyone, including the 'Home' > > > Users. The developers addition has extra features for the Experts. > > > However, with Windows, you have the Server Edition, then you have 2 > > client > > > versions, a normal one, and a stripped down one. It would be like > > selling > > > an Access version that didn't have report or query capabilities. > > > > > > Just my 2 cents > > > > > > Drew > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au] > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 8:10 PM > > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: WinXP Personal > > > > > > > > > 1. Never said *you* bought XP Home, nor was referring to you in my > > > comments. > > > 2. Define the *huge* amount of functionality that XP Home doesn't > have. > > > 3. You seem to have a lot of knowledge on the product (XP) considering > > you > > > dont use it. > > > 4. The reason Win2k Pro had all those features was because there was > no > > > clear distinction in the home/server product lines at that stage. > > > 5. Users who are not smart enought to work out where everything has > > > 'moved' > > > to in XP can change the layout to classic 2K mode. > > > 6. I was referring to other vendors operating systems when comparing > > > features, not Windows. > > > > > > Just sick of people bagging software to which they either have limited > > > amount of knowledge, have had a bad experience which warps there > > opinions > > > or > > > are simply MS bashers. > > > > > > The fact remains it is the HOME version of a product. It shouldn't > have > > > these features. The web server is a perfect example. The majority of > > users > > > will never use it. Worse still, some of them might turn it on by > > > accident, > > > opening up a huge number of vulnerabilities. > > > > > > It would be great to buy the cheapest version of a product and get all > > the > > > features. Unfortunately, we live in the real world and thats not how > > > businesses operate. If I was the CEO of one of these business I > should > > be > > > fired. > > > > > > (I can't believe my 'middle of the range' Holden Commodore doesn't > have > > > SunRoof, Power Windows, Heated Mirrors & Seat Position Memory - the > top > > > model does!) > > > > > > Regards, > > > Andrew > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, 9 July 2003 10:17 AM > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: WinXP Personal > > > > > > > > > Take Win2K Professional, strip out 1/2 the functionality, add "pretty" > > > graphics, move everything around to a different position so it annoys > > the > > > hell out of previous windows users and looks different, and call it XP > > > Home. > > > > > > I run Win2K Pro on my desktops, and Win2K Server on my server. I > bought > > a > > > Toshiba laptop with Win98 in Ireland (thanks Mark Breen) and > IMMEDIATELY > > > fdisked and installed Win2K Pro. This was November 1997. > > > > > > Where you get this "most stable version yet I cannot guess. And what, > > > pray > > > tell, is this "amazing functionality"? Win2K is ROCK SOLID. The only > > > time > > > I reboot is when I download bug fixes that require reboots. > > > > > > I didn't pay for the "extra features" with Win2K Pro. M$ stripped a > > huge > > > amount of functionality out when they created "Home". You end up with > > the > > > Win98 of the XP line - "sucky software for the ignorant". If that is > > what > > > you want, by all means buy it. > > > > > > Or just continue using Win2K? > > > > > > And I did NOT buy XP Home (and never will, thank you), and am not now > > > complaining that I can't develop web pages on it. I am simply > pointing > > > out > > > YET ANOTHER piece of missing functionality, in case some misguided > > person > > > should be contemplating their navel and trying to decide whether to > buy > > XP > > > Home. DON'T DO IT! JUST SAY NO! ETC. ETC. > > > > > > John W. Colby > > > www.colbyconsulting.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Haslett, > > > Andrew > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 8:06 PM > > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: WinXP Personal > > > > > > > > > CASSINI is the web server included with the matrix. > > > > > > I don't see why people are bagging XP Home. Why should it include all > > the > > > features of XP Pro.. Thats why its called PRO!! > > > > > > Its a product designed for the average 'HOME' user of which most would > > > never > > > need to develop web pages. You can't base a product line on a > majority. > > > > > > If people want extra features - pay for it! Its up to users to > 'review' > > a > > > products features *before* buying it, so I've got no sympathy for > people > > > who > > > have purchased HOME and now complain about not having a web server. > > > > > > XP is the most stable version yet (barring Win2003) and has amazing > > > functionality compared to the other 'operating systems' available, yet > > it > > > receives much criticism of which *most* is undeserved. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Andrew > > > ** comfortably sitting on the optimistic side of pessimism ** :=) > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com