William Hindman
wdhindman at bellsouth.net
Tue Jul 29 15:42:50 CDT 2003
...hhhmmm ...time to check your sources :) http://www.port80software.com/surveys/top1000webservers/ William Hindman ...It's a proven fact that if you smoke a pack of cigarettes a day for 90 years, you'll live to a ripe old age. :))) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 12:11 PM Subject: RE: [AccessD]OT: C# was no-ip.com > I'm pretty sure that is an accurate percentage. Why? Because far and away > the most popular web server on the market is Apache. No one else is even > close. Add to that the Linux factor (almost all large sites use Linux not > IIS), the ease of combining php and Linux (and MySQL, for data-driven > sites), and the cost factor, and it all adds up to a formidable combination. > Notice that Dreamweaver MX added support for php+mySQL in the latest rev. > Php is easy to learn and is object oriented. There are free on-line courses > and stuff available, too. > > Not that I have any current clients who use this combination. Most are small > businesses and are afraid to go Linux, or even to combine Oses. But at home > I have one Linux-dedicated box and another Win2K Advanced Server that houses > an instance of both MySQL and SQL 2K, so I can run .NET from one workstation > and Apache/php/mySQL from another. > > A. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence > (AccessD) > Sent: July 29, 2003 1:18 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: RE: [AccessD]OT: C# was no-ip.com > > > Hi All: > > I have seen a recent claim, have no way to validate it but the assertion > goes as follows: PHP as a server based web language now has almost forty > percent of the general market... > > This claim seems outrageous but that would leave PHP holding the largest > single market share of that genre of products. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Marcus, Scott > (GEAE, Contractor) > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 10:00 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: RE: [AccessD]OT: C# was no-ip.com > > > John, > > Thanks for your optimism on .Net. All I ever here are negative things about > MS products (which I make my living with). It is a good point you make about > being on the leading edge. I think the same way. I just get discouraged > cause very few tend to agree with that statement. It seems that most think > that software development will eventually be all off shore. I say that > moving off shore totally won't happen (small business needs physical > presence). JM2C > > Scott > > -----Original Message----- > From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 12:49 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: RE: [AccessD]OT: C# was no-ip.com > > > Scott, > > >My only doubts about .Net is that I'm not seeing very many job postings > >for > .Net developers (but allot more than Access development). > > I am seeing more and more .net openings, at least more and more "ya need the > kitchen sink and oh, by the way, ya need .net too" ads. I get the feeling > that not many companies really understand it yet - momentum. However my > feelings are that MS has spent a TON of money on developing the concept, and > are pushing .net big time. If they put their muscle behind it, it won't be > long till it's a "requirement" to get a job and I want to be on the leading > edge of this one. PLUS, the .net framework is truly impressive in the > capability it gives me "out of the box". > > >You must have read the same article as me (actually editors comments). > >I'm > leaning VB.Net first and then adding C# to my skills. Seems silly to me that > C# pulls in more money. > > Yea, it is silly considering the reality of the new .net environment. I'm > betting that it won't be long before managers start to listen to M$ saying > that any language is equally capable and stop paying more for C#. There are > still a very small handful of indirection capabilities that C# has that VB > doesn't, and if you need them then fine, go there. Otherwise VB is probably > faster to get something up and running in. > > And finally, no, my framework has no equivalents in .net for the simple > reason that my framework is about making form development in Access easier > (even more RAD). Since .net is so very different from Access, much of what > I do simply doesn't even make sense in .net. For example, I have a function > in my framework that keeps a record selector combo synced to the form > (bound) and the form synced to the combo. It turns out that in .net if you > set the form (or a data grid) and a combo to the same dataset, selecting a > record in the combo will just cause the two things to stay in sync (be on > the same record). AFAICT, that is because the combo actually sets a > "current record" property in the dataset object. > > Another example, in my framework I want to prevent the user from moving into > a subform if the main form goes to the new record. .Net doesn't even HAVE > subforms. > > Things like that. > > I am in the process of rewriting something that would "make sense" to port - > my Sysvars. Assuming that I leave my error handlers in place, that port is > really fairly straightforward. However I don't really have much hope of > "just porting" my framework. In the end though, there is enough work to be > done making .net as "database friendly" as Access that I am sure I will have > plenty of similar projects. > > John W. Colby > www.colbyconsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Marcus, Scott > (GEAE, Contractor) > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 12:03 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: RE: [AccessD]OT: C# was no-ip.com > > > John, > > You must have read the same article as me (actually editors comments). I'm > leaning VB.Net first and then adding C# to my skills. Seems silly to me that > C# pulls in more money. Like you, that is why I'm going to learn it also. > Have you seen any silly job postings like "C# developer with 5 years > experience..."? > > Have you found that your Access framework already has equivalents in .Net > framework? > > I'm not far enough into .Net to have an opinion yet. I can say that if it is > similar to how Java works, I won't like it. I hear that C# is very close to > Java. > > What I've learned in VB.Net so far seems pretty straight forward. > > My only doubts about .Net is that I'm not seeing very many job postings for > .Net developers (but allot more than Access development). > > Scott > > -----Original Message----- > From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 11:47 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: RE: [AccessD]OT: C# was no-ip.com > > > Scott, > > Not yet, though I think I will end up there. I'm thinking that learning > VB.Net and more importantly the .net framework FIRST will be most useful to > me. The framework is massive and being comfortable with that is a > requirement regardless of the language you then use for your programming. > > Once that is done I will probably move to C# for the simple reason that the > polls indicate C# programmers get better money. I did a controller project > down in Mexico in a custom 'C' language so it isn't totally foreign. > > Again though, the whole point of the .Net concept is that the framework > really provides about 90% of the functionality and it is used EXACTLY the > same regardless of the language you use. The language itself is really a > thin veneer over the top of the framework. Even things like variables are > framework objects so that any .net language can literally pass their > variables back and forth without the silly problems like you see with VB and > C not treating strings the same way. > > John W. 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