John Colby
jcolby at colbyconsulting.com
Wed Jun 11 22:11:30 CDT 2003
> So two weeks to learn Oracle, Toad, Cognos, Discover. Finished the first major report today. Good Job!!! John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence (AccessD) Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:54 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT? - Certification To add.... I was recently hired in a job in which I had no specific training. A previous employee had filled this position, after matching all the certificate requirements, from A to D. The poor fellow did not work out and left. The employer decided to look for someone, as he put it, can do E to Z. He assumed that some one who has been it the business long enough could figure out anything. So two weeks to learn Oracle, Toad, Cognos, Discover. Finished the first major report today. My two cents worth. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Hewson Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 9:48 AM To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT? - Certification I concur. I chose the higher education route and it has worked well for me. With the certification one seems to get pigeon-holed by the potential or current employer. They seem to think that with certification, a person's ability is linked to a certain set of skills and only those skills. While the degreed individual will have a broader sense of the business world and therefore their skill set is more diverse. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:08 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT? - Certification I agree with your statement completely. Personally, I not hold much weight in either higher education or certifications. Once you are in the door they are effectively toilet paper. However, with your degrees and certifications you have the option of presenting them if it is convenient for you to do so. My route was a judgement call for going for higher education rather than certifications. I always seem to be put in charge after a time and figured it to be the best choice. We'll see how it pans out. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:47 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT? - Certification As one that has acquired many degrees and many certifications over the years, I have found they are only good for getting hired at the types of organization that I don't want to work for. I prefer working where I enjoy the work and they value my performance, not my degrees and certificates. I no longer even list any of my degrees and certificates on my business card. Charles Wortz Software Development Division Texas Education Agency 1701 N. Congress Ave Austin, TX 78701-1494 512-463-9493 CWortz at tea.state.tx.us -----Original Message----- From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] Sent: Tuesday 2003 Jun 10 12:14 To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT? - Certification I got tired of the certification and recertification mess before I even passed my first one. New ones came out (or were comming out) before I could complete my current ones. I'm pursuing a Masters in IT instead. At least they don't expire. -----Original Message----- From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:24 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT? - Certification You hardly have to worry about that. In a year the entire set of technology from MS will be different, with new exams to take. Let's just hope that they get a raise for every exam they pass. That'll teach management to implement such silliness. John W. Colby www.colbyconsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Christopher Hawkins Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 12:12 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT? - Certification I apologize if this drives the discussion off-track, but I have to ask...what happens when you've passed all the exams? No more raises, ever? -Christopher- ---- Original Message ---- From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com, Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT? - Certification Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:03:06 +0100 >Hi > >Our management have decided to tie our salaries to passing MS .Net >certification exams. Does anyone one have any books recommendations >(or other resources) specific to passing MCSA and MCSE? > >Many thanks > >Richard _______________________________________________ AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This transmittal may contain confidential information intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmittal in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmittal is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply or by telephone (collect at 907-564-1000) and ask to speak with the message sender. In addition, please immediately delete this message and all attachments. 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