Drew Wutka
DWUTKA at marlow.com
Thu Jun 12 13:13:03 CDT 2003
I haven't seen that email yet. But I would say that a discussion about the Education system in relation to academic authority is a valid topic (somewhat). A lot of Access developers (both hopeful and salty) have run into situations where a degree or certification has overruled actual facts or experience. Who knows, we may come up with a new solution...let's make DBA the world wide authority on all relational database issues! <grin> Drew -----Original Message----- From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:02 PM To: accessd Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: the "Education" system Sorry Bob. Just seen your email. Bob has a point folks. OT is for this stuff. Even if I am taking part. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 6:56 PM Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: the "Education" system > I wasn't even taking gender into account. I have seen both men and women > 'bow' to someone with a degree. I know I am a little stubborn <evilgrin>, > but I stick to my guns with what I know. > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 11:22 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: the "Education" system > > > Drew, > > I think it is a cultural thing. Many women are trained from childhood > to be submissive. Thus, unless they get assertiveness training, or have > made a significant accomplishment such as getting a degree, they tend to > be submissive as adults. > > Charles Wortz > Software Development Division > Texas Education Agency > 1701 N. Congress Ave > Austin, TX 78701-1494 > 512-463-9493 > CWortz at tea.state.tx.us > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] > Sent: Thursday 2003 Jun 12 11:11 > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: the "Education" system > > Interesting. > > I have never really felt 'downhill' though. In fact, many times I feel > like I am uphill from people with degrees, because I see the solution, > and they are flapping in the wind. Oh well. > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tina Norris Fields [mailto:tinanfields at torchlake.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 6:59 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: the "Education" system > > > Martin, you may have to go get that degree, just to shut them up. > > After some 14 years of experience as an export manager, with a side > interest in office automation and the stuff that supports it, I one day > found myself needing a new job. I had no degree, just knowledge. I had > > come from the midwest, where "equivalent experience" was a qualifier for > > those without the academic credentials. But, I was in New England > (Boston, to be exact), and "equivalent experience" carried no weight > whatsoever. I actually got turned down for a position where the only > other candidate was a recent graduate with a degree and no experience - > degree NOT in international trade or business, by the way. The > interviewer said: "I couldn't justify choosing you over a degreed > person." Wow! I did go back to school at New Hampshire College (now > Southern New Hampshire University) and got my degree in Business and > Computer Science. Now, I teach adults how to use computers - from the > complete "newbie" who doesn't know where the ON switch is, to folks > wanting to learn any of the Microsoft Office Suite programs. I also > develop Access database applications and stuff for private clients. > It's fun. > > The thing that really surprised me was that after I had my degree, I > felt different in those meetings with other staff. I hadn't realized > that I had felt "down hill" from everybody before the degree - but I did > > notice the change in my level of confidence once I was wearing my gold > key (yes Summa Cum Laude - motivation is a wonderful thing). So, in > your "free" time, Martin, why not enroll in a college or university that > > offers a complete degree in your area of interest via the Internet? > When you get your gold key, those pompous jerks will have to shut up. > > My local college hired me from time-to-time as adjunct faculty when they > > needed my knowledge and they couldn't get anyone with the academic > credentials to teach the class (summers, especially). I still work as a > > contract instructor for the Extended Education Services division of the > college - teaching adults who really want to know the stuff. > > Tina > _______________________________________________ > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _______________________________________________ AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com