Drew Wutka
DWUTKA at marlow.com
Thu Jun 12 13:14:54 CDT 2003
Okay, this off shoot is definitely OT, but I'd like to say it has nothing to do with domination, but instead an even playing field. I prefer to treat everyone as an equal. I may know more about something, but I would bet my bottom dollar they know something that I don't. Drew -----Original Message----- From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:04 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: the "Education" system What, you're into domination?? <VBG> Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 9:58 AM To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: the "Education" system Couldn't agree more! Drew -----Original Message----- From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 11:57 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: the "Education" system Charlotte, "There aren't many "submissive" women on this list!" And that is good!! Now if that was true of all the rest of humankind, it would be even better. Charles Wortz Software Development Division Texas Education Agency 1701 N. Congress Ave Austin, TX 78701-1494 512-463-9493 CWortz at tea.state.tx.us -----Original Message----- From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] Sent: Thursday 2003 Jun 12 11:44 To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: the "Education" system Importance: Low Careful, Charles. There aren't many "submissive" women on this list! <VBG> I don't have a degree and have never missed it. Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 8:22 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: the "Education" system Drew, I think it is a cultural thing. Many women are trained from childhood to be submissive. Thus, unless they get assertiveness training, or have made a significant accomplishment such as getting a degree, they tend to be submissive as adults. Charles Wortz -----Original Message----- From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] Sent: Thursday 2003 Jun 12 11:11 To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: the "Education" system Interesting. I have never really felt 'downhill' though. In fact, many times I feel like I am uphill from people with degrees, because I see the solution, and they are flapping in the wind. Oh well. Drew -----Original Message----- From: Tina Norris Fields [mailto:tinanfields at torchlake.com] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 6:59 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: the "Education" system Martin, you may have to go get that degree, just to shut them up. After some 14 years of experience as an export manager, with a side interest in office automation and the stuff that supports it, I one day found myself needing a new job. I had no degree, just knowledge. I had come from the midwest, where "equivalent experience" was a qualifier for those without the academic credentials. But, I was in New England (Boston, to be exact), and "equivalent experience" carried no weight whatsoever. I actually got turned down for a position where the only other candidate was a recent graduate with a degree and no experience - degree NOT in international trade or business, by the way. The interviewer said: "I couldn't justify choosing you over a degreed person." Wow! I did go back to school at New Hampshire College (now Southern New Hampshire University) and got my degree in Business and Computer Science. Now, I teach adults how to use computers - from the complete "newbie" who doesn't know where the ON switch is, to folks wanting to learn any of the Microsoft Office Suite programs. I also develop Access database applications and stuff for private clients. It's fun. The thing that really surprised me was that after I had my degree, I felt different in those meetings with other staff. I hadn't realized that I had felt "down hill" from everybody before the degree - but I did notice the change in my level of confidence once I was wearing my gold key (yes Summa Cum Laude - motivation is a wonderful thing). So, in your "free" time, Martin, why not enroll in a college or university that offers a complete degree in your area of interest via the Internet? When you get your gold key, those pompous jerks will have to shut up. My local college hired me from time-to-time as adjunct faculty when they needed my knowledge and they couldn't get anyone with the academic credentials to teach the class (summers, especially). I still work as a contract instructor for the Extended Education Services division of the college - teaching adults who really want to know the stuff. Tina _______________________________________________ AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com