Charlotte Foust
cfoust at infostatsystems.com
Fri Mar 28 12:11:10 CST 2003
Don't believe RFPs. Trust me, they do not necessarily go to the person who meets all the credential requirements. Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 9:47 AM To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' Subject: RE: Re[2]: [AccessD] OT:Building your business was... Rate for fi rst tim e Regarding the qualifications comments, it's not just the corporate world. I just had to pass on bidding a contract because in the RFP it was specified that the VB developer hold a MCSD and 5 years experience. Further education or experience was not substitutable for the cert. The scope of the job didn't warrant 5 years experience, let alone a cert. I do not even know anyone in my area with the MCSD that I could pass it on to either. I do hope this isn't an indicator of a trend. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 7:22 PM To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' Subject: RE: Re[2]: [AccessD] OT:Building your business was... Rate for fi rst tim e Ron, I am in a similar situation, though I do contract stuff on the side, and work a LOT more hours (well, I used too, lately I have only worked 45 hours a week). I am a little over your 'argument's sake' salary, if I only work 40 hours a week. I consider myself to be making about 60% of what I should be making. However, with the current job market, it's extremely difficult to find other work. In fact, I just was turned down for a job recently. Right now the market is flooded with all sorts of IT folks, and most of them have degrees and certifications. I have very little faith in either of those, personally. However, even though most companies are hiring off of experience versus quals, it seems as if they are paying more for quals then knowledge/capabilities. I'm afraid that's just part of the business world. It's hard to nail down, but I'm pretty sure the problem lies with Accounts in general. They find it nearly impossible to quantify someone's value by their knowledge or capabilities, however, it is very easy for them to quantify someones education. For example, have you ever seen a salary comparison sheet that showed something like this: Knowledge: Salary: Genius. Can't stump this guy/girl. $250,000 Extremely smart, learns everything thrown at him/her. $180,000 Pretty smart, knows what he's paid to do and a little more. $110,000 Smart, knows his/her job. $70,000 Average, can do his/her job as long as there are instructions. $40,000 A little slow, needs to constantly be shown what to do. $25,000 Pretty stupid, can barely do his/her job with lots of help. $10,000 Dumb as a post, can barely tie his/her shoes. -$1,000 Of course you haven't seen a salary list like that. Instead, salary lists are made up of a job title, along with certifications and degrees. Obviously a perfect system! <evil grin>. What I like most about being employed full time though, is I get to work on random stuff during idle time (when there is idle time), so I am constantly learning! Drew <snip> _______________________________________________ AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This transmittal may contain confidential information intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmittal in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmittal is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply or by telephone (collect at 907-564-1000) and ask to speak with the message sender. In addition, please immediately delete this message and all attachments. Thank you. _______________________________________________ AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com