Lavsa, Rich
Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com
Fri Mar 28 12:34:36 CST 2003
I agree with Jim on that one. I have a quick little motivating story to pass on, hope it helps a little. I was out with some buddy's of mine having a few beers and ran into an engineer who needed a database built for Document Control. We started BS'ing and well he made me an offer. Keep in mind I was still a student in college but told him of my Access experience and he offered me $100/hr to develop, on the spot without even checking my resume, grades, prior access applications, or contacts. And that was in the Low cost of living city of Pittsburgh. As I mentioned it was over a few beers and though it would never solidify into anything, I mean after all we all have made great promises and told great stories while holding a beer in our hand. That is until I got an email Monday from him asking when we can sit down and talk about what his requirements were, and what he expected out of the application. I haven't done a side project since I landed a full time position but imagine I could do it at the same price without a problem. The money isn't as good being Salaried, but it is nice to have benefits, and a steady paycheck. Rich -----Original Message----- From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 1:10 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: RE: Re[2]: [AccessD] OT:Building your business was... Rate for firsttime One last comment from me before you do this Virginia. I've seen it mentioned in this thread already but I'll say it again for good measure. It's not a bad idea to tell them that $50 is discounted off your usual rate of $75 an hour. As mentioned, this will give you room to grow and add some value to your work. If the company is on the East coast they probably will not blink at that ($100/hr. or more is not unusual for consultants here). Jim DeMarco -----Original Message----- From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 1:02 PM To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' Subject: RE: Re[2]: [AccessD] OT:Building your business was... Rate for firsttime I am in the Mid West, but the company is in the East. Thank you, I will do that - 50.00 it is. I guess everyone felt like this their first time. Curious - where is Blacksburg? Virginia -----Original Message----- From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 11:41 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: RE: Re[2]: [AccessD] OT:Building your business was... Rate for firsttime Virginia, I don't know whether you are in a high cost area near DC, or a lower cost area such as Blacksburg, but I suggest starting at $50 or higher, not $25-35. Even in Blacksburg $25 an hour seems cheap for somebody with your experience. Charles Wortz Software Development Division Texas Education Agency 1701 N. Congress Ave Austin, TX 78701-1494 512-463-9493 CWortz at tea.state.tx.us -----Original Message----- From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com] Sent: Friday 2003 Mar 28 11:28 To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' Subject: RE: Re[2]: [AccessD] OT:Building your business was... Rate for firsttime Well, I don't make anywhere even near 40K a year. That is very interesting to know, how underpayed I really am and what they are getting for next to nothing :-(. I have a degree and some experience - so I fit somewhere in between, I do not have the experience most have on the list. My databases all turn out to be very similar. I am going to do the job as a contractor, it will be nights & weekends. Still need to discuss the pay with the company - this has been a big help. I especially liked the (Virgin comment & I am "cheap" LOL) I really got a good laugh out of that :-). When I got my personalized license plates I wanted my name on the plate - well Virginia was too many characters - sure didn't want to abbreviate and use "Virgin". Anyway, this is a big step for me. Like Ron, there is always that worry of messing up or running into a problem I can't solve. It is different developing where I work full time, I am here to fix the problems or even add new features the user wants. Still undecided on the fee - thinking somewhere in the 25-35 range or a bit higher for negotiating purposes, sure not 10.00! Like someone suggested, start high & negotiate from there. 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