Bruce Bruen
bbruen at bigpond.com
Tue May 20 07:14:30 CDT 2003
Re: not more than 10 At my son's school they are using wireless routers with much much more that 10 connects. We reckon up to 60 active sessions at a time - AND up to more than 200 connect attempts per router at the beginning of lesson. Result - performance during the times that the kids try to log in = absolutely useless! Some can take up to 20 minutes of a lesson to get a clean session negotiated - thus wasting most of the students and teachers available time. I estimate that the negotiated connects never get any higher than 10mbps based on the experience of my wife who teaches there and says that the school network speed is less than out p2p 10 at home. At my daughters school they use mini 5 port hubs in the kids "work stations" ( 4 desks screwed together) and a cabled hub per classroom ( or at least 1 per pair of rooms) Result - 10/100 connections in the same time it takes them to plug in their blue worms! For 1200 kids, connecting up to 6 times per day. OTOH - as we live 300m by road from my son's school and probably <100m as the crow flies it does give him access to the school (and the net) without costing me a phone line! But is this a good thing - I think not! (who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of pubescent web surfers!) So I suppose it depends on what you need to do with wireless. If you want it so you can cart the laptop out to the doghouse when you are accused of ignoring your better half for a great AccessD debate session, then I suppose its great. But I reckon $15 worth of cat5 + a weekend of blue language and a couple of beers is a lot better. JM20CW Bruce -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Frank Tanner III Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 12:20 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines Yes, you can. In fact I am considering this myself, so that I can have network access in my back yard and driveway areas. Yes, I'm a geek at home too...ROFL Cabling can get very expensive, unless you can do it yourself. It's not so much the cable that's expensive. It's the labor. It's a b*tch to snake that cable throgh the rafters of the house and then down the inside walls. Especially if your inside walls are insulated too, which most are anymore. I was talking with one of the engineers at DLink, and they recomment not using more that ten wireless devices per wireless router. That's one of the reasons I could never fully network my house via wireless. I have too many network devices and will be adding more as I automate my home via computer. --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote: > Frank: > > Here's another question: Can I daisy chain a > wireless router to my wired > router? I'm out of ports. > > Rocky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" > <bchacc at san.rr.com> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:53 AM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone > lines > > > > Frank: > > > > Thanks for the heads up. I can get CAT5 to that > room but it will cost > > $500-600 because of where it is. :( > > > > Looks like wireless for me. > > > > Rocky > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Frank Tanner III" > <pctech at mybellybutton.com> > > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:29 AM > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone > lines > > > > > > > I highly recommend against this. Most telephone > > > wiring in homes is CAT3 *AT BEST*. In alot of > cases, > > > not even that good. > > > > > > Most home telephone wiring is so splices and mickey-moused > > > together that you will be lucky if > you > > > get any connection at all. And if you do, it > will > > > probably be spotty, at best, due to > electromagenetic > > > interferance from other devices. > > > > > > Network engineering is what I do for a living. > I'd go > > > wireless LONG before I'd trust home telco wiring > for > > > my LAN. Myself, I strung CAT5 in my house. But > > > that's because I know how to. For most home > users > > > wireless would be a perfect fit. If you're > worried > > > about people leeching your bandwidth or > "sniffing" off > > > of your wireless LAN, there are ways to lock it > down, > > > simply. Will it stop the determined leech? > Nope. > > > But it would stop 90% of the leeches that are > out > > > there, because most are just looking for free > > > bandwidth. Not to mention, I'd think you'd > notice > > > someone sitting in front of your house with a laptop....hehehee > > > > > > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear List(s): > > > > > > > > Got a new computer to put into a room where we > can't > > > > reach it with CAT-5. So I've been ready to go wireless, except > > > > someone suggested using the > phone > > > > lines in the house (just as a substitute wire) > > > > instead of wireless. Apparently, there's a > device > > > > that will connect the NIC and the phone jack > and you > > > > can use the phone wires in the house for > networking. > > > > > > > > Sounds, easy, and cheap, and low tech. Anyone > know > > > > about this? > > > > > > > > MTIA > > > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > > > Beach Access Software > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > AccessD mailing list > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > AccessD mailing list > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com