Elam, Debbie
DElam at jenkens.com
Wed May 21 08:16:58 CDT 2003
Yes but how would you get them to stop playing with the cable, much less get them out the correct spot if at all. I have heard ferrets were used to string cable in tight places, but I am still trying to figure out how they were trained. Ferrets are smart, but do not take direction well, and consider anything and everything a toy. Debbie -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nancy.lytle at auatac.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:27 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines On a lighter note, for those really tight places for stringing cables - walls and low ceilings-, why not use a ferret, they can get into the most unusual places, they work on the cheap, on the other hand they can be tempermental. N Lytle :)) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:57 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines True enough - we only had to get across 2x4 stringers, luckily the rafters/upper floor bearers (2x10) ran the other way. The car negotiated the 2x4s without a problem. I would NEVER suggest running data through power conduit. Guess we were lucky again in that the house is full brick and there is a "fair" 10mm gap between the skins, the only obstacle to vertical drops being the brickies ties. Brick veneer and etc with studded walls is always a problem for any vertical cabling - I usually have opted for "dress" conduit except in the rare cases where I felt the job was worth replastering the wall. Bruce P.s. I have done it for a living. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Frank Tanner III Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:37 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines That works fine for an office build. But RC cars don't work well in raftered house ceilings. Most houses here use 2x6s or 2x8s for rafters. Or at least most of the ones that I've seen. If you're running network lines down the same conduit as electrical wiring you're violating about a dozen fire and safety codes. Not to mention every basic rule of network wiring that there is. Electrical wiring, ESPECIALLY two-phase and three-phase wiring emit large amounts of RF. RF kills data integrity. One of the most basic rules of network wiring is NEVER string your network wires across power conduits, junction boxes, or lighting fixtures. Don't believe me? Ask anyone that does it for a living. You, physically, can do it, but you shouldn't. You're asking for trouble. --- Bruce Bruen <bbruen at bigpond.com> wrote: > Try a $50 remote control 4WD model (ATV? For youse > yanquies?) - we wired > 200+ points in an office building several years ago > using a couple of > these - without removing the false ceiling. They > have a great advantage > over nerf balls as you can make them go around > things!. Also used one to > cast 240V twin core for ceiling downlights BETWEEN > the ceiling and the > upper floor in our "new" 1928 built house last year. > One sparky said "it > couldn't be done" without removing the original cast > plaster ceilings, > another said $4500+ (for running the cable). I > said "bullSh*t", and > did it myself, got a GOOD sparky to connect the > cabling to the house > circuit and certify the work for $60 + 2 coffees and > a couple of beers. > > The way to get cable down a cored wall is to use > that plastic strapping > they use on whitegoods - as long as you can get a > length of it - but > better still is the plastic jointer strip out of > quickclip flooring - > you can shape the end to a blunt point and feed it > UP a 1/2" or less > core, attach the cable in the ceiling space and whip > it down the core in > approx 1/8 the time it takes the cat to get inside > on a rainy day. > > If you DYI cat5, there is only one real tip - try > not to kink the cable, > otherwise I reckon its as good as $20/metre (or yard > speaker cable for > anything. Oh, and another, if you cr*p up a > connection on cat5 whether > its Krone or grub screwed or whatever - cut the > whole 4" off and start > again, its not worth the hassle of bad connectors. > > Have fun! Crawling in 18" high dusty, cramped, dark, > lumpy (with sharp > bits) spaces is what some idiots do for a sport! > > Bruce > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On > Behalf Of Frank Tanner > III > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:05 AM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone > lines > > > Yeah. Those work well for drop ceiling. We used to > use string tied to a Nerf football...hehehe > > It can be a little more problematic in housing > rafters > though, unless you have lots of space. Most houses > here in Phoenix don't have attics, so the rafters > have > like 3 feet of clearance or so tops. Makes it a > real > pain in the butt to string cable through....hehee > > --- MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote: > > Here is an article on tools and methods to use for difficult CAT-5 > > cabling. I really like the fly fishing rod and slingshot > > methods. > > > http://www.techrepublic.com/article.jhtml?id=r00320030218vgl01.htm&fromt > m=e101-3 > > > > Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote: > > > > >Frank: > > > > > >Thanks for the heads up. I can get CAT5 to that > > room but it will cost > > >$500-600 because of where it is. :( > > > > > >Looks like wireless for me. > > > > > >Rocky > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Frank Tanner III" > <pctech at mybellybutton.com> > > >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > > >Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:29 AM > > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone > > lines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I highly recommend against this. Most telephone > > >>wiring in homes is CAT3 *AT BEST*. In alot of > > cases, > > >>not even that good. > > >> > > >>Most home telephone wiring is so splices and mickey-moused > > >>together that you will be lucky if > > you > > >>get any connection at all. And if you do, it > will > > >>probably be spotty, at best, due to > > electromagenetic > > >>interferance from other devices. > > >> > > >>Network engineering is what I do for a living. > > I'd go > > >>wireless LONG before I'd trust home telco wiring > > for > > >>my LAN. Myself, I strung CAT5 in my house. But > > >>that's because I know how to. For most home > users > > >>wireless would be a perfect fit. If you're > > worried > > >>about people leeching your bandwidth or > "sniffing" > > off > > >>of your wireless LAN, there are ways to lock it > > down, > > >>simply. Will it stop the determined leech? > Nope. > > >>But it would stop 90% of the leeches that are > out > > >>there, because most are just looking for free > > >>bandwidth. Not to mention, I'd think you'd > notice > > >>someone sitting in front of your house with a > laptop....hehehee > > >> > > >>--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software > <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >>>Dear List(s): > > >>> > > >>>Got a new computer to put into a room where we > > can't > > >>>reach it with CAT-5. So I've been ready to go > > >>>wireless, except someone suggested using the > > phone > > >>>lines in the house (just as a substitute wire) > > >>>instead of wireless. Apparently, there's a > > device > > >>>that will connect the NIC and the phone jack > and > > you > > >>>can use the phone wires in the house for > > networking. > > >>> > > >>>Sounds, easy, and cheap, and low tech. Anyone > > know > > >>>about this? > > >>> > > >>>MTIA > > >>> > > >>>Rocky Smolin > > >>>Beach Access Software > > >>> > > >>> > > > >>>>_______________________________________________ > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>AccessD mailing list > > >>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > >>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > >>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>AccessD mailing list > > >>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >AccessD mailing list > > >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > > >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > === message truncated === _______________________________________________ AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com - JENKENS & GILCHRIST E-MAIL NOTICE - This transmission may be: (1) subject to the Attorney-Client Privilege, (2) an attorney work product, or (3) strictly confidential. 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