[AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote

I have nothing at all against XML (except the lack of security) and
think it's a great tool, but there is nothing inherently relational
about XML.  So are they introducing an entirely new object-based data
model, or what?  "Design a form and don't worry about the data
structure" ... Until later?  I think of the nightmare designs I've seen
in Excel and wonder just how far they intend to take this.  Just because
ADO and XML can give you very flexible access to data doesn't mean the
data can be shaped any ol' which way and still make sense!

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 9:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote


Yeah XML but inside a relational database.

Martin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote


> Am I the only one who thinks Access is history?  Heaven knows what 
> they intend to use to *analyze* that data they collect with InfoPath.

> I certainly won't volunteer to do it because I had too much experience

> trying to do something similar with data collected (similarly except 
> for the XML) in FileMaker!  Yuck!!  Relational design is apparently 
> too hard for people to learn so we're going to use XML instead.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:51 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MS InfoPath and OneNote
>
>
> Hi All
>
> Located this short article by Bill Ramos (Lead Program Manager, 
> Microsoft Office Access 2003) on InfoPath which addresses people like
> us:
>
>   http://accessvbsqladvisor.com/doc/13108
>
> and about the toolkit:
>
>   http://msadvisor.com/doc/13297
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > Hi all
>
> > Anyone familiar with these new products and if they somehow relate 
> > to Access?
>
> > I've tried to browse some brochures but they are so hyped that it is

> > just plain impossible to figure out wether these apps are fancy toys

> > which will bring any machine to a crawl or if they could be useful 
> > tools in cooperation with Access and database applications.
>
> > And how are the programmed if you wish to create custom build apps? 
> > I've located this link to a SDK related to InfoPath:
>
> > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=351f0616-93
> > aa
> > -4fe8-9238-d702f1bfbab4&displaylang=en
>
> > but it looks like you need to take a deep breath and have a weekend 
> > set aside.
>
> > Also, how much are they relying on specific MS server software like 
> > SharePoint or Exchange or pure MS environments or Office 2003 only? 
> > If
>
> > so, the usefulness is very limited as our clients use a variety of 
> > systems.
>
> > /gustav
>
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