Bruce Bruen
bbruen at bigpond.com
Thu Oct 2 19:34:22 CDT 2003
This may help, see especially the reference to C3 in the wiki
www.iconixsw.com/aliceinusecaseland.html
Rgrds
Bruce
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hadyn Morgan
Sent: Wednesday, 1 October 2003 2:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Project Official Start
The client does not want to pay for the time to write a spec. We have
spent the last 2 weeks doing this at our own cost. It is based on a web
application that was built and paid for on an hourly basis, because
again they did not want to pay for a spec. ~40% of the cost of it could
have been avoided on the stuff they requested then changed their minds
about.
They have paid a premium so far (our largest customer to date), and I
would like to keep them as a client. Then again I don't want to be
royally screwed either :(
Hadyn
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Christopher
Hawkins
Sent: Wednesday, 1 October 2003 15:49
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Project Official Start
You can still walk away from a client like this, and should - 1999 be
damned.
IMHO, a client that is trying to negotiate penalty clauses before
defining what it is the developer is supposed to be developing is a
client looking to screw a developer and get something for nothing. This
is a HUGE red flag.
-Christopher-
---- Original Message ----
From: Developer at ultradnt.com
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com,
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Project Official Start
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:38:42 -0400
>Remember the good old days of 1999 when you could just walk away from a
>client like this?
>
>BTW - I'm a newbie, just signed on the list. (NYC-based independent
>contractor: Access, VB, SQL, MS-Office training, and when I can't get
>out of it, a little networking)
>
>Short answer is, when both sides have signed, that's your begin date.
>
>As for the penalty, YES - get their responsibilities in writing ... I
>have a client who pays me to keep re-importing their old system's data
>because by the time they check the import, it's a month out of date
>and
>they want all the new entries from the old system in the new system
>...
>This is going on like this for six months, It's boring as hell and
>keeping me from getting started on their .net based intranet, but
>... As
>long as they are paying, it doesn't matter. In your case, though,
>since
>they are making noise about not paying, make sure that the "clock
>stops"
>when you are waiting for them to test or review or deploy or
>whatever.
>Try to get the wording to be a count of days from execution, since
>you
>could lose a month just getting the lawyers from both sides to accept
>the document ("project will be completed 77 days from execution of
>this
>contract", for example).
>
>Hth,
>Steve
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hadyn Morgan
>Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 10:22 PM
>To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Project Official Start
>
>
>When do you say a project has started? I have a client that has said
>'Yes' to a project, but has not signed off the spec, or the quote, and
>now wants to negotiate penalty clauses before they sign (if we don't
>deliver on time to the proposed end date (11 weeks from start of
>project) they reduce total payment by 8% for each full week we are
>late). I have managed to get them to exclude Acts of God etc, and
>have
>suggested that if they are to blame for the delay we should be
>allowed
>to charge them for the extra time.
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>Kind regards
>Hadyn
>
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