John W. Colby
jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
Thu Dec 9 10:41:24 CST 2004
I have read that the OEM versions are ONLY for use on the system that the install disk is for. It is not legal to, and the manufacturers put a check in to prevent, using the install disk with any other hardware. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 11:09 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good laptop cheap It may be different for the versions supplied with a system, but for the retail purchased versions you certainly can transfer to another system as long as you remove from the original system. You are also allowed to install on both a desktop and a portable system as long as it is the same person using the software on both systems. See http://download.microsoft.com/download/1/2/5/12538ba0-3d24-4f00-aab1-dd9ff4a acfc9/en_client_eula.pdf On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:17:46 -0600, Lawhon, Alan C Contractor/Morgan Research <alan.lawhon at us.army.mil> wrote: > John: > > Excuse me for asking this silly question, but doesn't the EULA license > agreement for Windows and Office state explicitly that you are > licensed ONLY to use your copy of Windows (and Office) on a SINGLE > COMPUTER and you may NOT install - or transfer - your copy of Windows > (and Office) to another computer? Of course, I know that [probably] > 99.9 percent of Windows and Office users do this when they buy a new > box, but strictly speaking you are in violation of a legal agreement > when you reinstall your software on a new computer. > > Is this correct, or I am just confused? > > I purposely wait at least 2-3 years between major hardware/system > upgrades because by the time two or three years have passed, CPU > speeds have [at least] doubled (if not tripled) and major new versions > of Windows and Office have been released - which are usually > preinstalled with the new box. In effect, I auto-upgrade my software > whenever I buy new hardware - and I always stay totally legal - > although it does seem like I spend an awful lot on things like > anti-virus software, firewall software, "Anonymizer" software - not to > mention all the database and developer tool software ... Now I > realize why I always have a high credit card balance! > > > > Alan C. Lawhon > > -----Original Message----- > From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 8:15 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good laptop cheap > > Alan, > > You are definitely too demanding. Look at the prices for notebooks. > Sure you can get a DELL, you can get it with Office installed. But > you pay a LOT for the privilege. I already own office, I purchased it > separately. I own it and I can move it from system to system as I > please. If you get a version installed on a laptop, it comes in that > laptop's install / restore disk which won't install on any other > machine. That's just plain silly. > > Buy a good laptop, get the best price possible. Buy Office, get the > best price possible. > > Because you refused to buy a laptop without Office installed you > missed out on the best price for a laptop of that value I have EVER > seen. So go ahead, drop an extra 350 dollars and get less of a laptop > with Office on it from Dell. > > Not me! > > In fact I became a Microsoft "partner" and bought the action pack for > $300. I get TEN LICENSES for Office, Windows XP, SQL Server 2000 and a > TON of other stuff. Why in the world would I pay for a laptop with > that stuff installed? > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawhon, > Alan C Contractor/Morgan Research > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 3:45 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good laptop cheap > > Bob: > > You ask a good question ... I may be "too demanding" or whatever, > but, at a minimum, I expect a computer to come with the current > version of Windows - and a decent version of Microsoft Office - > irrespective of "how good" the price may be. (I read an article > several months ago on /. to the effect that mass market PC sellers > like Dell, Gateway, Toshiba and eMachines pay Microsoft something like > $49.00 for each copy of Windows; so the software IS NOT a major > component of system cost.) I figure that bundled "home editions" of > Windows and Office [together] probably cost the retail seller > somewhere around $125.00. > > I went down to Best Buy last Friday to check out the $750.00 (after > rebates) eMachines model M5405 notebook computer that John Colby had > tipped us about. Once I discovered that the M5405 DID NOT have > Microsoft Office installed, (it had some puny collection of utilities > that it called "Microsoft Works"), I said "Sayonara" on that deal and > left the store. > > Alan C. Lawhon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Heygood [mailto:bheygood at abestsystems.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 2:03 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good laptop cheap > > curious, did either of these come with actual disks for windows and > such. seems there is a trend towards not including such... > > sorry if too OT, > > bob heygood > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark Breen > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 10:38 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good laptop cheap > > Don't do it John, > > I never look at PC specs after I have purchased a PC, because no > matter what, you will see a better deal. > > I hope that you enjoy the new machine, > > Mark > > On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 17:38:59 -0500, John W. Colby > <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote: > > For all those who were not able to take advantage of the Emachines > > laptop (or didn't trust the brand) > > > > > http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=1093468419744&type=product& > skuId= > > 6851267&tab=6 > > > > A nice Toshiba for $650 after rebates. Not as much machine as the > Emachines > > but still a good deal. > > > > John W. 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