[AccessD] Good laptop cheap

John W. Colby jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
Thu Dec 9 10:41:24 CST 2004


I have read that the OEM versions are ONLY for use on the system that the
install disk is for.  It is not legal to, and the manufacturers put a check
in to prevent, using the install disk with any other hardware.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 11:09 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good laptop cheap


It may be different for the versions supplied with a system, but for the
retail purchased versions you certainly can transfer to another system as
long as you remove from the original system. You are also allowed to install
on both a desktop and a portable system as long as it is the same person
using the software on both systems.

See
http://download.microsoft.com/download/1/2/5/12538ba0-3d24-4f00-aab1-dd9ff4a
acfc9/en_client_eula.pdf


On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:17:46 -0600, Lawhon, Alan C Contractor/Morgan Research
<alan.lawhon at us.army.mil> wrote:
> John:
> 
> Excuse me for asking this silly question, but doesn't the EULA license 
> agreement for Windows and Office state explicitly that you are 
> licensed ONLY to use your copy of Windows (and Office) on a SINGLE 
> COMPUTER and you may NOT install - or transfer - your copy of Windows 
> (and Office) to another computer?  Of course, I know that [probably] 
> 99.9 percent of Windows and Office users do this when they buy a new 
> box, but strictly speaking you are in violation of a legal agreement 
> when you reinstall your software on a new computer.
> 
> Is this correct, or I am just confused?
> 
> I purposely wait at least 2-3 years between major hardware/system 
> upgrades because by the time two or three years have passed, CPU 
> speeds have [at least] doubled (if not tripled) and major new versions 
> of Windows and Office have been released - which are usually 
> preinstalled with the new box.  In effect, I auto-upgrade my software 
> whenever I buy new hardware - and I always stay totally legal - 
> although it does seem like I spend an awful lot on things like 
> anti-virus software, firewall software, "Anonymizer" software - not to 
> mention all the database and developer tool software ...  Now I 
> realize why I always have a high credit card balance!
> 
> 
> 
> Alan C. Lawhon
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John W. Colby [mailto:jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 8:15 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good laptop cheap
> 
> Alan,
> 
> You are definitely too demanding.  Look at the prices for notebooks.  
> Sure you can get a DELL, you can get it with Office installed.  But 
> you pay a LOT for the privilege.  I already own office, I purchased it 
> separately.  I own it and I can move it from system to system as I 
> please.  If you get a version installed on a laptop, it comes in that 
> laptop's install / restore disk which won't install on any other 
> machine.  That's just plain silly.
> 
> Buy a good laptop, get the best price possible.  Buy Office, get the 
> best price possible.
> 
> Because you refused to buy a laptop without Office installed you 
> missed out on the best price for a laptop of that value I have EVER 
> seen.  So go ahead, drop an extra 350 dollars and get less of a laptop 
> with Office on it from Dell.
> 
> Not me!
> 
> In fact I became a Microsoft "partner" and bought the action pack for 
> $300. I get TEN LICENSES for Office, Windows XP, SQL Server 2000 and a 
> TON of other stuff.  Why in the world would I pay for a laptop with 
> that stuff installed?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawhon, 
> Alan C Contractor/Morgan Research
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 3:45 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good laptop cheap
> 
> Bob:
> 
> You ask a good question ...  I may be "too demanding" or whatever, 
> but, at a minimum, I expect a computer to come with the current 
> version of Windows - and a decent version of Microsoft Office - 
> irrespective of "how good" the price may be.  (I read an article 
> several months ago on /. to the effect that mass market PC sellers 
> like Dell, Gateway, Toshiba and eMachines pay Microsoft something like 
> $49.00 for each copy of Windows; so the software IS NOT a major 
> component of system cost.)  I figure that bundled "home editions" of 
> Windows and Office [together] probably cost the retail seller 
> somewhere around $125.00.
> 
> I went down to Best Buy last Friday to check out the $750.00 (after
> rebates) eMachines model M5405 notebook computer that John Colby had 
> tipped us about.  Once I discovered that the M5405 DID NOT have 
> Microsoft Office installed, (it had some puny collection of utilities 
> that it called "Microsoft Works"), I said "Sayonara" on that deal and 
> left the store.
> 
> Alan C. Lawhon
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Heygood [mailto:bheygood at abestsystems.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 2:03 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good laptop cheap
> 
> curious, did either of these come with actual disks for windows and 
> such. seems there is a trend towards not including such...
> 
> sorry if too OT,
> 
> bob heygood
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark Breen
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 10:38 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good laptop cheap
> 
> Don't do it John,
> 
> I never look at PC specs after I have purchased a PC, because no 
> matter what, you will see a better deal.
> 
> I hope that you enjoy the new machine,
> 
> Mark
> 
> On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 17:38:59 -0500, John W. Colby 
> <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > For all those who were not able to take advantage of the Emachines 
> > laptop (or didn't trust the brand)
> >
> >
> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=1093468419744&type=product&
> skuId=
> > 6851267&tab=6
> >
> > A nice Toshiba for $650 after rebates.  Not as much machine as the
> Emachines
> > but still a good deal.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: 
> > http://folding.stanford.edu/
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