[AccessD] OT: The Great Primary Debate

Arthur,

  Sorry, but it seems to me that when everyone discusses this, this point is
often missed.

<< IMO relational theory has NOTHING to do with
actual implementations or relational databases or any such physical
crap. It has ONLY to do with logic.>>

  Yeah, like I said, but no one said it as yet.

Jim
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
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>> Everyone misses the point that fundamentally, relational theory has
nothing to do with computers per say. (sic)

I don't want to break your mold, but I most emphatically DO NOT agree
with your casigation. IMO relational theory has NOTHING to do with
actual implementations or relational databases or any such physical
crap. It has ONLY to do with logic.

So please don't be so casual with that "Everyone" phrase. Personally, I
find it hurtful. I'm a philosophy major by discipline, and databases are
one instance of a set of rules.

Please don't castigate us all because our intellectual skin colour
diffes from yours.

Thank you,
Arthur

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 8:41 AM
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: The Great Primary Debate



  I've kept my mouth shut too even though I don't agree with all the
things that have been stated<g>.

 Everyone misses the point that fundamentally, relational theory has
nothing to do with computers per say.  It deals with organizing the
relations between pieces of data.  Since computing systems store data,
they fall under the theory, but the theory doesn't exist because of
computers.  It's a branch of mathematics in dealing with set relations.

  But we've gone through this several times.  Anyone who's interested
can look in the archives.

  And for the record, I'm not grouping myself with Joe Celko or Fabin
Pascal.  Suffice to say I fall somewhere in between the two camps in
terms of living in the real world.  There are times when using a
surrogate makes sense and then there are others where it just adds
complexity.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net


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