DWUTKA at marlow.com
DWUTKA at marlow.com
Fri Mar 26 10:41:26 CST 2004
Ugh, know the feeling. I must admit, what I dispise more then comments like
that, lately, are marketers who don't have a clue of how the web works (I'm
not talking technical, just the Internet mindset), who then want to take a
well designed site, and complicate it beyond belief! UGH!
Drew
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 7:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Framework Discussion - set up question
Hi Drew:
...and expanding on your comments.
Just today, I was told by an Oracle guru that the 'Access toy' could not
connect to Oracle let alone connect to two separate Oracle DBs. Then when he
was shown that it did he said that some inline code must have been added
because Access was not capable of it.
It is difficult to deal with that mindset...
Jim
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DWUTKA at marlow.com
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 11:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Framework Discussion - set up question
I have to agree with Susan on this. Yes, it is a tool to build desktop
applications. However, so is Word, Excel, and even Outlook for that matter.
VBA is a POWERFUL tool, and can quite frankly do anything it wants too, to a
Windows OS. However, The Office Suite was ALSO meant to be a tool for the
average user. No coding experience necessary to use any of the Office
programs. This includes Access. Now, the fact that most users use
Excel/Word, where they should be using Access, is simply due to the fact
that most people hear the word 'database', and freak. Personally, I think
that is do to overly complex systems built by 'professional developers'.
The fact that the entire Office Suite is both easy to use, and powerful
enough to create actual applications, should be a kudos to Microsoft, not a
'hot issue' to debate between developers.
Now, what I feel needs to be 'fought' for, is the acceptance of Access
throughout the db development world. I get tired of listening to SQL Server
and Oracle developers who think of Access as a toy, instead of a database.
Just my two cents.
Drew
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 12:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Framework Discussion - set up question
>> I'm mostly in favor of anything that makes Access more available to
the average user -- it IS a desktop application after all.
Are you TRYING to start a fight, Susan?!!? Most of us have been trying
for years to convince Microsoft that this is NOT a desktop application,
it's a tool to *build* desktop applications. Let the flames begin!
Charlotte Foust
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From: Susan Harkins [mailto:ssharkins at bellsouth.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 10:03 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Framework Discussion - set up question
No. :) I'm talking about the built-in lookup field feature that lets you
display a related value from another table. Open a table in Design view
and click the Lookup tab in the Properties pane.
Developers soundly trash them, but I find them rather cool -- and if
abused, is that Access's fault? ;) I'm mostly in favor of anything that
makes Access more available to the average user -- it IS a desktop
application after all.
No, I don't use them, and I often have to "undo" them in Northwind when
I'm using that db in an article example, but I can see why users would
like and use them.
Here we goooooooooooooooooooo! ;)
Susan H.
Susan,
I've seen people joke about this before and I've just assumed I knew
what they were referring to ("hard coded" delimited lists that are not
stored in a table).
Is this a correct assumption?
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