John W. Colby
jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
Thu Mar 4 11:48:05 CST 2004
That would be it. Mere mortals. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 12:00 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: RE: [AccessD] Frameworks, what are they? John, <<Back when I was supervising that VP project I mentioned at lunch, we found and bought something called Framework for normal people or something like that. >> You might be thinking me "Mere Mortals" <<Basically starting with a purchased framework is good... they just don't seem to exist for Access. I have thought about trying to develop and sell one but reality always intervenes.>> Yes I would agree and I've been thinking of why there are not any for Access. It's certainly been around long enough. I've thought of a couple things: 1. Most Access apps are "developed" by non-professionals, so they have a tendency to use what's in front of them. 2. Because of #1, most of the apps developed are fairly simple. 3. For a professional developer, Access already provides significant tools and features to use for development (i.e. Main/Subforms). << I have thought about trying to develop and sell one but reality always intervenes.>> I hear you there. During the A2 release, I really started digging into the MDB structure with the intent of offering database utilities. Took a lot of time and I had to pay the bills. So I gave up on it. I figured that by the time I did it, the JET team would either come out with utilities or take care of the corruption issue. Now I could kick myself in the butt for not sticking with it. Jim (315) 699-3443 jimdettman at earthlink.net -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 10:26 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: RE: [AccessD] Frameworks, what are they? Back when I was supervising that VP project I mentioned at lunch, we found and bought something called Framework for normal people or something like that. Basically starting with a purchased framework is good... they just don't seem to exist for Access. I have thought about trying to develop and sell one but reality always intervenes. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 9:58 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: RE: [AccessD] Frameworks, what are they? John, I hate to mention VFP on the Access list, but in terms of Frameworks it has many and the features that they offer are listed here: http://fox.wikis.com/wc.dll?Wiki~FrameworkFeatureChart~VFP Items compared are things like Developer Tools, End User Features, etc. Quite a bit of info there on frameworks in general. If you wanted to look at one more specifically, I use VMP, which has a downloadable help file that you can look at. You can find that here: http://www.visionds.com/vmpsite/ Look under VMP 2004, Download VMPHELP.CHM Jim Dettman President, Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc. (315) 699-3443 jimdettman at earthlink.net -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:44 PM To: AccessD Subject: [AccessD] Frameworks, what are they? Robert, The only example I have of a running framework is my own. Unfortunately it is so complex at this point it would be undecipherable to anyone but me I'm afraid. You have heard me discuss the various functionalities I have placed into my framework. In order to understand my stuff you would have to wade through all that stuff I have mentioned. I am certainly willing to post it somewhere with an application that uses it so that you can see how I do things but I'm truly uncertain whether a discussion could address my framework without getting pretty deep pretty fast. A framework is really nothing more than a skeleton upon which you hang an application. As you need more functionality, if it is generic and useful to the next app you add it to the framework. In this day and age, you really need to be thinking classes however since they allow you to set up containers for related functionality. I am going to cc the list however. We have many developers who have developed their own framework. I have never seen anyone else's so I can't vouch for how complex they are now how conceptually similar to what I do, but if we address the list, perhaps we can get a discussion going on this stuff. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert Gracie [mailto:Robert at servicexp.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:18 PM To: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com Subject: I have a question John, I have really appreciated the help over the last few months in regards to "DEEP" programming, your examples have been very helpful. I'm intrigued with "framework" idea however I have no idea where to get started. My question is; do you have any examples of a running "framework", or any books that explain how to set this sort of thing up? Thanks Again!! 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