MartyConnelly
martyconnelly at shaw.ca
Thu Mar 4 16:04:31 CST 2004
For those above Mere Mortals (current Canadian Political joke) Another view of framework definitions What Is the Zachman Framework for Enterprise Architecture? essentially a 6 by 6 matrix enterprise development checklist http://www.ftponline.com/ea/magazine/spring/online/druby/ or http://www.enterprise-architect.net John W. Colby wrote: >That would be it. Mere mortals. > >John W. Colby >www.ColbyConsulting.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman >Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 12:00 PM >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Frameworks, what are they? > > >John, > ><<Back when I was supervising that VP project I mentioned at lunch, we found >and bought something called Framework for normal people or something like >that. >> > > You might be thinking me "Mere Mortals" > ><<Basically starting with a purchased framework is good... they just >don't seem to exist for Access. I have thought about trying to develop and >sell one but reality always intervenes.>> > > Yes I would agree and I've been thinking of why there are not any for >Access. It's certainly been around long enough. > >I've thought of a couple things: > >1. Most Access apps are "developed" by non-professionals, so they have a >tendency to use what's in front of them. >2. Because of #1, most of the apps developed are fairly simple. >3. For a professional developer, Access already provides significant tools >and features to use for development (i.e. Main/Subforms). > ><< I have thought about trying to develop and >sell one but reality always intervenes.>> > > I hear you there. During the A2 release, I really started digging into >the MDB structure with the intent of offering database utilities. Took a >lot of time and I had to pay the bills. So I gave up on it. I figured that >by the time I did it, the JET team would either come out with utilities or >take care of the corruption issue. > > Now I could kick myself in the butt for not sticking with it. > >Jim >(315) 699-3443 >jimdettman at earthlink.net > >-----Original Message----- >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby >Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 10:26 AM >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Frameworks, what are they? > > >Back when I was supervising that VP project I mentioned at lunch, we found >and bought something called Framework for normal people or something like >that. Basically starting with a purchased framework is good... they just >don't seem to exist for Access. I have thought about trying to develop and >sell one but reality always intervenes. > >John W. Colby >www.ColbyConsulting.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman >Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 9:58 AM >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Frameworks, what are they? > > >John, > > I hate to mention VFP on the Access list, but in terms of Frameworks it >has many and the features that they offer are listed here: > >http://fox.wikis.com/wc.dll?Wiki~FrameworkFeatureChart~VFP > > Items compared are things like Developer Tools, End User Features, etc. >Quite a bit of info there on frameworks in general. > > If you wanted to look at one more specifically, I use VMP, which has a >downloadable help file that you can look at. You can find that here: > >http://www.visionds.com/vmpsite/ > > Look under VMP 2004, Download VMPHELP.CHM > >Jim Dettman >President, >Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc. >(315) 699-3443 >jimdettman at earthlink.net > >-----Original Message----- >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby >Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:44 PM >To: AccessD >Subject: [AccessD] Frameworks, what are they? > > >Robert, > >The only example I have of a running framework is my own. Unfortunately it >is so complex at this point it would be undecipherable to anyone but me I'm >afraid. You have heard me discuss the various functionalities I have placed >into my framework. In order to understand my stuff you would have to wade >through all that stuff I have mentioned. I am certainly willing to post it >somewhere with an application that uses it so that you can see how I do >things but I'm truly uncertain whether a discussion could address my >framework without getting pretty deep pretty fast. > >A framework is really nothing more than a skeleton upon which you hang an >application. As you need more functionality, if it is generic and useful to >the next app you add it to the framework. In this day and age, you really >need to be thinking classes however since they allow you to set up >containers for related functionality. > >I am going to cc the list however. We have many developers who have >developed their own framework. I have never seen anyone else's so I can't >vouch for how complex they are now how conceptually similar to what I do, >but if we address the list, perhaps we can get a discussion going on this >stuff. > >John W. Colby >www.ColbyConsulting.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: Robert Gracie [mailto:Robert at servicexp.com] >Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:18 PM >To: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com >Subject: I have a question > > >John, > I have really appreciated the help over the last few months in regards to >"DEEP" programming, your examples have been very helpful. I'm intrigued with >"framework" idea however I have no idea where to get started. My question >is; do you have any examples of a running "framework", or any books that >explain how to set this sort of thing up? > >Thanks Again!! >Robert Gracie > > >-- >_______________________________________________ >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >-- >_______________________________________________ >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > >-- >_______________________________________________ >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >-- >_______________________________________________ >AccessD mailing list >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. 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