Francisco H Tapia
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Thu Mar 18 14:44:51 CST 2004
I found that rather interesting as well, for me I do the obligatory stretch at the beginning of the day and at break time. I found the most successful device to reduce the pain was a trackball mouse, so much that I bought one for home... the idea is that you MUST place it in a very comfortable location on your desk/keyboard shelf... At my job sometimes i get a chance to work from home, I end up VNCing (telecommuting to work.) but getting a chance to work on an ergonomic desk/keyboard/mouse is a very nice benny :) -- -Francisco Dan Waters wrote: >Gee Charlotte! I LOVE split keyboards! I just keep my elbows resting on >the arms of my chair next to my side, my wrists stay straight, and all works >fine. > >It is really interesting to learn how many different specific solutions >people have come up with to solve these RSI problems. > >Dan > >-----Original Message----- >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust >Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 10:28 AM >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT Wrist/Arm Pain - was Short Date Input Mask quest >ion > >I've never had wrist problems from typing, only from reaching out and up >to use the mouse. A keyboard shelf with and articlating mouse shelf >puts the mouse level with the wrist rest for the keyboard, and I haven't >had any problems since. > >PS/ I *hate* split keyboards and those ergonomic nightmares. I CANNOT >type with my elbows stuck out like open doors! > >Charlotte Foust > >-----Original Message----- >From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] >Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 6:34 AM >To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT Wrist/Arm Pain - was Short Date Input Mask >quest ion > > >For me two things have eliminated all wrist pain. > >First is that I try to use a split keyboard as much as possible. This >lets my wrists stay straight while typing. It took me about 2 weeks to >get used to it. > >Second is that I use a very lightweight mouse. I'm currently using a >Fellowes Mini Web Pro, which only weighs 2 or 3 ounces. > >Before doing the two things above, I occasionally had to stop for >several hours due to wrist pain, but not any more! > >Most of my work is typing text/code and creating forms and reports. > >Dan > > >-----Original Message----- >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of >rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com >Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 1:30 PM >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT Wrist/Arm Pain - was Short Date Input Mask >quest ion > >I've switched my mouse to left handed at work as well. What has really >helped the most for me is a quick set of wrist excercises I do each >morning. Takes about 2 minutes to do. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] >Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 1:09 PM >To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Short Date Input Mask question > > >My solution for wrist/arm pain was to learn to use the mouse >left-handed. Back when I was working and consulting in the evenings, I >would use the left hand at work and right hand in the evenings. > >Now I just switch off. Nothing but occasional soreness now and again >for the last 4 years. > >Mark > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] >>Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 8:38 AM >>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Short Date Input Mask question >> >> >>Hah! I got tendonitis in my thumb using a trackball. Had to >>go back to >>a mouse. That just shows that there is no single right answer. :-} >> >>Charlotte Foust >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net] >>Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 9:25 AM >>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Short Date Input Mask question >> >> >>...shortcut keys/number pad activate each calendar function >>...and I've >>got every client converted to trackballs instead of mice ...I used to >>have severe CTS using a mouse but since moving to trackballs I've been >>symptom free :) >> >>William Hindman >>You know the world is upside down when Bill Clinton wins a Grammy and >>Janet Jackson is the subject of a government sex investigation. Argus >>Hamilton. >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Heenan, Lambert" <Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com> >>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" >><accessd at databaseadvisors.com> >>Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 10:52 AM >>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Short Date Input Mask question >> >> >> >> >>>Bryan, >>> >>>Point taken. This was why I made the comment about mass >>> >>> >>data input. In >>point >> >> >>>of fact it is possible, though a bit clunky, to select a >>> >>> >>date with the >> >> >> >>>keyboard, and I should perhaps revisit the design on the >>> >>> >>form to make >> >> >>>it easier to do so. >>> >>>RSI is a serious problem, and I sympathize with your for having to >>>deal >>> >>> >>with >> >> >>>it. However it's not confined to mouse use, indeed I >>> >>> >>remember it first >>being >> >> >>>reported back in the 80's before mice very prevalent. In those days >>>the blame was laid at the door of the extreme ease with >>> >>> >>which computer >>keyboards >> >> >>>operated vs. manual typewriters. This allowed for very rapid >>>keystrokes, which was thought to be the root cause of RSI. >>> >>>I also see people who have bizarre ideas about how they should >>>position their keyboards and mice. In short there are lots >>> >>> >>of factors >> >> >>>involved, and at the end of the day the user has to figure out the >>>best way to use the d*mned machines. So, to reiterate, I think I'll >>>take the time to redesign >>> >>> >>my >> >> >>>date picker form to allow for better keyboard use of it. >>> >>>Lambert >>> >>> >>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: Bryan Carbonnell [SMTP:Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca] >>>>Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 9:52 AM >>>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >>>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Short Date Input Mask question >>>> >>>>Lambert, >>>> >>>>It may work fine for you, but does it work for your users? Do you >>>>force them to use the mouse to select the date, or can they do >>>>everything they need to from the keyboard? >>>> >>>>The only reason I bring this up is that I have had RSI >>>> >>>> >>from moving >> >> >>>>between the mouse and keyboard for data entry too much. It got to >>>>the point where by 10 AM I could not feel my little >>>> >>>> >>finger and half >> >> >>>>of my lower arm becaude of it. >>>> >>>>As soon as I got one application that I used on a regular >>>> >>>> >>basis more >> >> >> >>>>keyboard friendly it helped. >>>> >>>>Just try to keep that in mind. I know I always do. I let >>>> >>>> >>users use >> >> >>>>the mouse or enter with the keyboard. Their choice. >>>> >>>>Bryan Carbonnell >>>>bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com 17-Mar-04 9:21:45 AM >>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>My solution to date entry is simple - I never let user's >>>> >>>> >>type in a >> >> >>>>date. They always pick the date from a simple calendar >>>> >>>> >>form (though >> >> >>>>I don't use >>>>the MS Calendar control). Click on a date field and up >>>> >>>> >>pops the date >> >> >>>>picker. >>>>While this would not be suitable, perhaps, in applications where >>>>massive numbers of dates need to be entered, I find it works just >>>>fine for >>>> >>>> >>me. >> >> >>>>Lambert >>>> >>>> >>>>