[AccessD] OT Wrist/Arm Pain - was Short Date Input Mask quest ion

Dan Waters dwaters at usinternet.com
Thu Mar 18 13:25:01 CST 2004


Gee Charlotte!  I LOVE split keyboards!  I just keep my elbows resting on
the arms of my chair next to my side, my wrists stay straight, and all works
fine.

It is really interesting to learn how many different specific solutions
people have come up with to solve these RSI problems.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 10:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT Wrist/Arm Pain - was Short Date Input Mask quest
ion

I've never had wrist problems from typing, only from reaching out and up
to use the mouse.  A keyboard shelf with and articlating mouse shelf
puts the mouse level with the wrist rest for the keyboard, and I haven't
had any problems since.

PS/ I *hate* split keyboards and those ergonomic nightmares.  I CANNOT
type with my elbows stuck out like open doors!

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 6:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT Wrist/Arm Pain - was Short Date Input Mask
quest ion


For me two things have eliminated all wrist pain.

First is that I try to use a split keyboard as much as possible.  This
lets my wrists stay straight while typing.  It took me about 2 weeks to
get used to it.

Second is that I use a very lightweight mouse.  I'm currently using a
Fellowes Mini Web Pro, which only weighs 2 or 3 ounces.  

Before doing the two things above, I occasionally had to stop for
several hours due to wrist pain, but not any more!

Most of my work is typing text/code and creating forms and reports.

Dan


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 1:30 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT Wrist/Arm Pain - was Short Date Input Mask
quest ion

I've switched my mouse to left handed at work as well.  What has really
helped the most for me is a quick set of wrist excercises I do each
morning. Takes about 2 minutes to do.

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 1:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Short Date Input Mask question


My solution for wrist/arm pain was to learn to use the mouse
left-handed. Back when I was working and consulting in the evenings, I
would use the left hand at work and right hand in the evenings.

Now I just switch off.  Nothing but occasional soreness now and again
for the last 4 years.

Mark

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 8:38 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Short Date Input Mask question
> 
> 
> Hah!  I got tendonitis in my thumb using a trackball.  Had to
> go back to
> a mouse.  That just shows that there is no single right answer. :-}
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 9:25 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Short Date Input Mask question
> 
> 
> ...shortcut keys/number pad activate each calendar function
> ...and I've
> got every client converted to trackballs instead of mice ...I used to
> have severe CTS using a mouse but since moving to trackballs I've been
> symptom free :)
> 
> William Hindman
> You know the world is upside down when Bill Clinton wins a Grammy and 
> Janet Jackson is the subject of a government sex investigation. Argus 
> Hamilton.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Heenan, Lambert" <Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 10:52 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Short Date Input Mask question
> 
> 
> > Bryan,
> >
> > Point taken. This was why I made the comment about mass
> data input. In
> point
> > of fact it is possible, though a bit clunky, to select a
> date with the
> 
> > keyboard, and I should perhaps revisit the design on the
> form to make
> > it easier to do so.
> >
> > RSI is a serious problem, and I sympathize with your for having to
> > deal
> with
> > it. However it's not confined to mouse use, indeed I
> remember it first
> being
> > reported back in the 80's before mice very prevalent. In those days
> > the blame was laid at the door of the extreme ease with 
> which computer
> keyboards
> > operated vs. manual typewriters. This allowed for very rapid
> > keystrokes, which was thought to be the root cause of RSI.
> >
> > I also see people who have bizarre ideas about how they should
> > position their keyboards and mice. In short there are lots 
> of factors
> > involved, and at the end of the day the user has to figure out the
> > best way to use the d*mned machines. So, to reiterate, I think I'll 
> > take the time to redesign
> my
> > date picker form to allow for better keyboard use of it.
> >
> > Lambert
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Bryan Carbonnell [SMTP:Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 9:52 AM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Short Date Input Mask question
> > >
> > > Lambert,
> > >
> > > It may work fine for you, but does it work for your users? Do you
> > > force them to use the mouse to select the date, or can they do 
> > > everything they need to from the keyboard?
> > >
> > > The only reason I bring this up is that I have had RSI
> from moving
> > > between the mouse and keyboard for data entry too much. It got to
> > > the point where by 10 AM I could not feel my little 
> finger and half
> > > of my lower arm becaude of it.
> > >
> > > As soon as I got one application that I used on a regular
> basis more
> 
> > > keyboard friendly it helped.
> > >
> > > Just try to keep that in mind. I know I always do. I let
> users use
> > > the mouse or enter with the keyboard. Their choice.
> > >
> > > Bryan Carbonnell
> > > bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca
> > >
> > >
> > > >>> Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com 17-Mar-04 9:21:45 AM >>>
> > > My solution to date entry is simple - I never let user's
> type in a
> > > date. They always pick the date from a simple calendar
> form (though
> > > I don't use
> > > the MS Calendar control). Click on a date field and up
> pops the date
> > > picker.
> > > While this would not be suitable, perhaps, in applications where 
> > > massive numbers of dates need to be entered, I find it works just 
> > > fine for
> me.
> > >
> > > Lambert
> > >
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