Arthur Fuller
artful at rogers.com
Tue Dec 13 17:45:48 CST 2005
Glad to see that I hit your nail at least somewhat on its head. I would stress that you need more than one beta client. Since I do not live in the USA, I cannot anticipate the local differences (given my decidedly limited knowledge of the intricacies of fed v. state arrangements) but my guess would be that you need at least one client per major jurisdiction, so each client could represent one state's perspective and speak for its laws etc. All the jurisdictional issues aside, IMO your best bet is to find the state that wants the most data and design your model around its requirements. Then you can supply state-specific subsets to any interested client. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco Sent: December 13, 2005 4:03 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is this possible (X-posted) Thanks for the comments Arthur. >>1. construct an abstract model of all the data you are willing to capture >>and store; Our app is client/server with the user organization hosting their own copy of the SQL BE. The plan is to give local gov't agencies the ability to create a schema that tells the health plans what data they need from our app (schema defined and downloadable via the web portal). Health plans can download the schema and implement it when exporting data for a given county. >>2. find a beta customer We do have one organization currently using the app and we'll test the web access scenario with them (and we'll use our BE to see that we can access data in both locations from our portal). After that it's a marketing game. >> you can certainly do this as a web service, and >> such an approach provides the additional benefit of abstracting the location >> of the data. This is really my key issue. .NET Remoting may do the trick. I'm researching now. >>willingness to customize the app for a given customer Customization is a key element of the portal as different counties have different needs for the data. These range from using our client/server app to process data to simply importing data into internal systems to using tools provided on the portal to do data entry and other data processing tasks w/o our app installed locally. Target market is identified in my original post and willingness to pay is really an outstanding issue right now. Electronic data transfer of this data to local agencies is a huge political item right now and we are at the forefront of the issue. There is no other product or health plan pursuing this as actively as we are (and not just to sell our app; we're a health plan first and foremost). Jim D. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 3:24 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is this possible (X-posted) I would suggest that you: 1. construct an abstract model of all the data you are willing to capture and store; 2. find a beta customer in each of your top 10 potential locales (this based presumably on population, but perhaps not); 3. show each beta customer your model and await feedback; 4. redesign your model based on feedback. As Shamil has pointed out, you can certainly do this as a web service, and such an approach provides the additional benefit of abstracting the location of the data. (I.e. you could host it yourself or contract an ISP to host it for you.) As Shamil also pointed out, various aspects of the project are decidedly unclear.... your intended market, their ability and willingness to pay, your ability and willingness to customize the app for a given customer, and so on. This stuff needs some clarity before you design the actual model that you would sell, IMO. A. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov Sent: December 12, 2005 12:10 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is this possible (X-posted) <<< The question is: Can I do this via web services? >>> No. And yes - I mean if you local PC will have Web Server with exposed to the Outer World Web Services then these Web Services can communicate with central web server's Web Services. But such system architecture would look weird to say the least... <<< That done, can I then create data entry forms against their local copy of the apps database? >>> You can export/import data using Web Services - that's clear. The rest sounds unclear - you wanted your users to connect to the Web Server, pass their ID and then Web Server's application use data entry forms generated on Web Server to access user's local data via user's local Web Server's Web Services? Looks confusing but probably doable. Why not have data entry forms running in local application and use data export/import via Web Services? Do you mean you wanted to have one Web Server with WebServices and one ASP.NET application running on your server, and connecting to the local PCs' database via "something like Web Services"? Shamil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim DeMarco" <Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org> To: "VB List (E-mail)" <dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com>; "AccessD (E-mail)" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 7:08 PM Subject: [AccessD] Is this possible (X-posted) > dba-VB > AccessD > > List, > > We have a VB/SQL app that we are actively marketing to other health plans and county social service agencies that handles enrollments into Medicaid and other government funded health programs. I have a need to transmit the apps data electronically from a health plan to a county agency. Yes we can simply FTP a file and let an agency pull the data down but it's not quite that simple. Different agencies have different needs for the data (some have IT resources, some don't, some need data input to send data back to plan some don't). > > My vision is a web portal where the county can define what data the plan should send them and define a file of what data they'll send back to the plan. My app should read the file and generate the appropriate export file and import data correctly based on the county's export (if any). > > Using .NET technologies I'd like the portal to also have the ability to connect to the local copy of my app's database for authentication and data access. The question is: Can I do this via web services? Can a user log on to my portal passing me a site ID so I know where their local database resides for authentication? 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