John W. Colby
jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
Fri Jul 22 11:04:11 CDT 2005
>VBExpress is supposed to be the answer to the cry, "why can't you make it easier for non-developers to use?" To me that is utter nonsense, since no one but a developer can make effective use of it anyhow! <grumble> LOL, I agree. What it does is lower the cost threshold for getting in to .net. .NET no matter how you slice it, is a huge, complex, very powerful object model with massive ability and massive learning curve. As a learning tool I am trying to move a simple 3 class set of data objects to .net and it has taken all of yesterday and all of today to get just to the point where I can start testing it. I fully expect another couple of days just to get them functioning. And this for three simple classes that already worked using ado in VBA. Of course I am pretty much starting from ground zero in terms of .net knowledge. I have studied the books intermittently over the last year but never really kept at it. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 11:38 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: RE: [AccessD] VBExpress videos VS Tools comes with a standard version of VB.Net. VBExpress is supposed to be the answer to the cry, "why can't you make it easier for non-developers to use?" To me that is utter nonsense, since no one but a developer can make effective use of it anyhow! <grumble> All the tools that were in the previous developers editions of Office (or the ADT for an earlier version of Access) are in VS Tools now, including the packaging wizard and the Access runtime. If you are developing Access 2003 apps and want to distribute the runtime, you need VS Tools, not VBExpress. Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: William Hindman [mailto:dejpolsys at hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 11:09 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] VBExpress videos ..thanks JC, I'll dl the videos and have a look then ...tap dancing around VB.net whenever I'm bored with everything else going on ...the VB name is similar but the ide keeps throwing me for a loop and nothing ports cleanly, at least for me ...but I admit to getting old :) ..as for the VS Tools, how does anyone that actually supports distributed Access based apps get by without it? ...that would mean clients having full Access installs and all the troubles that implies ...I'd rather starve first :( William ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 10:11 PM Subject: RE: [AccessD] VBExpress videos > William, > > Apparently Express is a simplified version of the one that comes in > the Visual Studio. As for the videos being useful, I think mostly > yes. The videos are about how to manipulate the various windows, the > controls, the forms etc. All that is pretty much just like the > version in Visual Studio. > > My email was aimed at those lost souls (like myself) who either have > never managed to really "get there" with Visual Studio, or never even > purchased it because of the expense. VBExpress is free (for the beta > which is very > stable) and will be $50 when released at the end of the year. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: > http://folding.stanford.edu/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William > Hindman > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 9:57 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] VBExpress videos > > > JC > > ..how is this different than the VB.Net that comes with Visual Studio > Tools? ...since MS compels me to pay for the standard version of > VB.net in order to get the equivalent of the old ODE, why might I want > to go the VBExpress route instead? > > ..and are the videos of use in the VB.net ide? > > William > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> > To: "VBA" <dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com>; "AccessD" > <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 2:50 PM > Subject: [AccessD] VBExpress videos > > >> In case you haven't found them, there is a beta available for >> VBExpress which is really just VB.Net light version, with its own IDE >> instead of being embedded in Visual Studio. The IDE looks and feels >> almost identical to the Visual Studio however. >> >> http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/express/beginner/ >> >> Once you download and install the VBExpress notice the videos >> available. I >> discovered this guy a couple of years ago but he has now done (some) >> videos >> for this VBExpress and I am finding them very useful I think they would >> allow anyone who frequents this board to get up to speed pretty quickly, >> and >> I have to tell you, VBExpress.net is waaay cool. The videos will show >> you >> how to do stuff in the user interface (all that I have gotten to so far) >> that we can only dream of in VBA. >> >> Check it out - it looks very good to me. I am working through the >> video series right now. >> >> John W. 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