[AccessD] Data Export Spec - Rev1

Hi Shamil

I've found that most clients don't have a clue on what and how things are programmed. They are only interested in results and working apps.

Thus, programming anything "for the future" we do on our own, either for fun, for testing new techniques or for being prepared for the client's next step. Should he take this next step, we charge in full even though it can be programmed in a fraction of the time for programming the first step.

/gustav

>>> shamil at users.mns.ru 21-10-2005 23:42:19 >>>

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Clients are very pragmatic.
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Yes, I know.
And I saw it many times and I'm continuing to see how this client's
pragmatism results in bad software and then they blaim bad developers.
I'm pragmatic too I think - let's try to educate clients step by step? IT
industry is mature enough now for this clients educatiion work. (Yes, I know
I sound too optimistic, real life isn't like that, Been there, seen that. Or
I'd better say I'm still there and see that everyday troubles in my own work
with "badly educated in software development" customers. It's not easy to
convince clients to wait a little bit more for end results they needed
"yesterday". It's even more complicated to convince them to pay today for
additional work, which results in their own savings in long run. It's often
necessary to invest our own time. But when customers see good final
results then the next steps for the next projects are easier...)

It's just silly (as John said) to see how resources are wasted when
relatively small additional efforts used on project envision and solution
architecture design phase result in savings in short and long runs and in a
flexible ready for future changes solution, which may find application in
the areas, where "quick&dirty" will never find....

Recap
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1. I'm not pretending to develop a universal solution.
2. I'm pragmatic
3. I believe(I see) that IT industry is mature enough for simple but
flexible, ready for future changes, mature software design and development
solutions.

Shamil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data Export Spec - Rev1


> Hi John and Shamil
>
> Interesting to follow this thread. It demonstrates what happens when you
move from a fixed to-the-point solution (like my example) over a generic
solution as John is suggesting to a universal solution as Shamil has in
mind - and all the considerations that move causes.
>
> I'm pretty much in line with Shamil on this. However, time has shown me
that such thoughts most often are over the head and/or pockets of the client
and you'll have to compromise. Clients are very pragmatic. But during this
at least you have a nice intellectual time with yourself realizing that you
are ahead of the client!