Eric Barro
ebarro at verizon.net
Fri Apr 7 23:09:40 CDT 2006
Jim, That wasn't really a serious suggestion...it is Friday after all. :) I do think that there is a mis-conception that non-US developers don't know what they are doing and cannot deliver the same quality of software that US developers can. As a developer it does help if the code is commented but that is not the most important part of the code for me. Even if the comments are in English it would still not make a whole lot of sense if the comments were sparse or if you could not figure out exactly what the comments meant. Most of the finest programmers after all are not good communicators since they let the code speak for itself. Of course if your expertise happened to be VB and you were trying to debug something in C, the difficulty would be understandable. The point of course is that each one of us has their level of expectation of how much it will cost to do business. It just so happens that non-US developers don't have the same overhead (or the need to maintain a certain standard of living) as US developers do so they can very well afford the "cheap rates". For countries whose average daily wage is equivalent to a cup of Starbucks coffee, $5/hr is really good money. We just need to put things in perspective. Eric -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 12:54 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost Eric, I won't do that. The problem with that setup is that the thinking and the culture are just too different. Folks overseas don't really understand how we do business here. I've seen way too many apps developed overseas that were just trash because of this. And you'll end up paying later as well; ever try to debug a program commented with poor English or even worse, another language? I'd say to that fellow best of luck.... Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 1:21 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost Jim, Go ahead and tell him you will take on the project for $12.00 an hour and then go back and have the East Indian programmers work on it for $5.00 per hour turning in a $7.00 per hour "profit". Eric -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:42 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Access Application - per unit cost These are interesting times. Yesterday a programmer who is working with my company went to see a new client as I was out of the city for a couple of days on business. The client would like a custom made complex piece of code that would 'screen scrape' from other web sites so his site would be able to present a list of the best prices... a good idea. We had previously agreed on principle but had not negotiated a price. The client presented the young programmer with his position. First, we were to be on an hourly rate or when ever the client called. Second, the client would pay the programmer directly and not go through the company. Third, the maximum rate he would pay would be $12.00 and hour as he had two 'east Indian' programmers, who had submitted bids of $5.00 per hour but felt that he should try and support local talent. .. and a rider.. The client wants all code made to be his and if we ever used similar code again, in another paying contract we would pay him 50% of gross profits. I must say, I am almost speechless but please feel free to comment. Jim -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005