[AccessD] OT Friday: Comodo AntiSpam

jwcolby jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
Sat Aug 11 17:10:34 CDT 2007


Bryan,

>Well you are doing the same thing by going through the list of messages
that get held by your CR system aren't you?
 
Yes, I am, but that is simply a "get up to speed week or two to manually
handle all of the things that I know need to be handled.  After that I will
not do this.  They get responded to or don't talk to me.  

>Everybody is rabid about things John. Even you.
 
What?  How in the WORLD can you say I AM RABID about ANYTHING?  ;-)

>I was going to go through all these points you raise, but quite frankly I
see your mind as being made up and nothing I can say, or the experts that
deal with this day in or day out say will change your mind.

And quite frankly I see your mind is made up too.

Brian, what you see is someone who has done the normal and even not so
normal stuff which just didn't work.  I have stated several times that my
mind is NOT made up, I am watching to see whether this works or not, and if
not it will be abandoned.

Let me tell you something.  In my mind the "anti-spam community" is a bunch
of whining spineless jellyfish.  The ONE and ONLY organization who actually
did ANYTHING AT ALL in terms of hurting the spamming community was Blue
Frog.  Blue Frog was driven out of business buy a DOS attack BECAUSE THEY
WERE MAKING A DIFFERENCE and the spineless jellyfish AS community did
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to assist them.  Blue Frog making progress.  I was a blue
frog system and my spam actually did drop a LOT because the spammers were
reaching agreements with Blue Frog to cleanse their lists.  One specific
criminal (and yes, they are all criminals) used a huge botnet to put Blue
Frog out of business.  And guess what the jellyfish did.  Whimper and whine
about how blue frog was hurting the innocents instead of hurting the
spammers.  As if ANYTHING that the jellyfish were doing hurt the spammers AT
ALL and as if any criminal would train a huge botnet on any company FOR THE
PURPOSE OF DRIVING THEM OUT OF BUSINESS unless they were being hurt by that
company.  Whine, whine whine.

Brian, I like you, and I respect your opinion but I have ABSOLUTELY NO USE
for the "anti-spam community".  They have done almost NOTHING real.  ALL OF
THE WHINING responses to CR are (IMNSHO) just more examples of their
uselessness.  CR could work if the "anti-spam community" wanted to make it
work.  They don't, they just want to whine and protect their own (pretty
much useless) AS methods and programs.  I did not see anything in that
entire list that could not be addressed if they wanted to address them.  

It is far easier to whine than to do the things required to make a REAL
difference.

So is my mind made up?  YEA, in fact I am PISSED. There ARE technologies to
do MANY THINGS.  The experts can trace each bot back.  A PITA but it can be
done.  There have been talks about installing programs on systems with holes
that the spammers use to grab a bot but "whine whine whine we can't do that
because whine whine whine".  You will never make ANY difference until you a)
close the holes that allow botnets and b) take away their bots, and c) whack
em where it hurts.  Whine whine whine.  NONE of them have done ANY of these
three things.  Whine whine whine.

In the meantime the headlines are quoting big names in the "anti-spam"
community saying "the war is lost, the spammers have won."  

Whine, whine, whine. 

Make a difference or get out of my face.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Comodo AntiSpam

On 8/11/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> It takes exactly as long as it does to hit delete which is my point.  
> What good does it do to move all the emails off to a spam folder, hide 
> a couple out of 100 that are real, and then force me to go through the 
> list of 100 looking for the good ones?  I might as well just leave the 
> spam in the in box and hit delete on each one.

Well you are doing the same thing by going through the list of messages that
get held by your CR system aren't you?

> I know quite well that the Bayesian guys are RABID about Bayesian 
> stuff and how well it works, and yea, a 98% rate is pretty good, but not
good enough.
> I know that anti-
> CR guys are PARTICULARLY rabid about CR.  Oh well.

Everybody is rabid about things John. Even you.

> >From the Anti-web page:

<HUGE snip>

I was going to go through all these points you raise, but quite frankly I
see your mind as being made up and nothing I can say, or the experts that
deal with this day in or day out say will change your mind.

I've said my peace and I'm outta here to enjoy my birthday.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved
body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a
great ride!"
--
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




More information about the AccessD mailing list