jwcolby
jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
Sat Aug 11 17:10:34 CDT 2007
Bryan, >Well you are doing the same thing by going through the list of messages that get held by your CR system aren't you? Yes, I am, but that is simply a "get up to speed week or two to manually handle all of the things that I know need to be handled. After that I will not do this. They get responded to or don't talk to me. >Everybody is rabid about things John. Even you. What? How in the WORLD can you say I AM RABID about ANYTHING? ;-) >I was going to go through all these points you raise, but quite frankly I see your mind as being made up and nothing I can say, or the experts that deal with this day in or day out say will change your mind. And quite frankly I see your mind is made up too. Brian, what you see is someone who has done the normal and even not so normal stuff which just didn't work. I have stated several times that my mind is NOT made up, I am watching to see whether this works or not, and if not it will be abandoned. Let me tell you something. In my mind the "anti-spam community" is a bunch of whining spineless jellyfish. The ONE and ONLY organization who actually did ANYTHING AT ALL in terms of hurting the spamming community was Blue Frog. Blue Frog was driven out of business buy a DOS attack BECAUSE THEY WERE MAKING A DIFFERENCE and the spineless jellyfish AS community did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to assist them. Blue Frog making progress. I was a blue frog system and my spam actually did drop a LOT because the spammers were reaching agreements with Blue Frog to cleanse their lists. One specific criminal (and yes, they are all criminals) used a huge botnet to put Blue Frog out of business. And guess what the jellyfish did. Whimper and whine about how blue frog was hurting the innocents instead of hurting the spammers. As if ANYTHING that the jellyfish were doing hurt the spammers AT ALL and as if any criminal would train a huge botnet on any company FOR THE PURPOSE OF DRIVING THEM OUT OF BUSINESS unless they were being hurt by that company. Whine, whine whine. Brian, I like you, and I respect your opinion but I have ABSOLUTELY NO USE for the "anti-spam community". They have done almost NOTHING real. ALL OF THE WHINING responses to CR are (IMNSHO) just more examples of their uselessness. CR could work if the "anti-spam community" wanted to make it work. They don't, they just want to whine and protect their own (pretty much useless) AS methods and programs. I did not see anything in that entire list that could not be addressed if they wanted to address them. It is far easier to whine than to do the things required to make a REAL difference. So is my mind made up? YEA, in fact I am PISSED. There ARE technologies to do MANY THINGS. The experts can trace each bot back. A PITA but it can be done. There have been talks about installing programs on systems with holes that the spammers use to grab a bot but "whine whine whine we can't do that because whine whine whine". You will never make ANY difference until you a) close the holes that allow botnets and b) take away their bots, and c) whack em where it hurts. Whine whine whine. NONE of them have done ANY of these three things. Whine whine whine. In the meantime the headlines are quoting big names in the "anti-spam" community saying "the war is lost, the spammers have won." Whine, whine, whine. Make a difference or get out of my face. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:00 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Comodo AntiSpam On 8/11/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote: > It takes exactly as long as it does to hit delete which is my point. > What good does it do to move all the emails off to a spam folder, hide > a couple out of 100 that are real, and then force me to go through the > list of 100 looking for the good ones? I might as well just leave the > spam in the in box and hit delete on each one. Well you are doing the same thing by going through the list of messages that get held by your CR system aren't you? > I know quite well that the Bayesian guys are RABID about Bayesian > stuff and how well it works, and yea, a 98% rate is pretty good, but not good enough. > I know that anti- > CR guys are PARTICULARLY rabid about CR. Oh well. Everybody is rabid about things John. Even you. > >From the Anti-web page: <HUGE snip> I was going to go through all these points you raise, but quite frankly I see your mind as being made up and nothing I can say, or the experts that deal with this day in or day out say will change your mind. I've said my peace and I'm outta here to enjoy my birthday. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com