Jim Lawrence
accessd at shaw.ca
Sun Dec 2 17:10:01 CST 2007
One interesting point about FF is that is just has a core of Mozilla but is 80% JavaScript/CSS/XML code.... if you do not believe it see: http://www.ohloh.net/projects/9/analyses/latest. Another interesting point is that MONO, the framework environment written for Linux that parallels Windows FrameWork, is actually 80% C#, VB and JavaScript. This open-source MS challenge is written using MS products. There are an estimated 270 Contributors/Programmers that have and are currently working on this product. (MONO claims that it can run virtually 100% .Net 1.1, 98% .Net 2.0 and are currently working to the .Net 3.0 Framework. and it is now being used in many commercial applications.) With a MS SQL BE, using a combination of ASP.Net mixed with 'roll you own JavaScript' very finely balanced/distributive applications can be written. A little bit of Flash can be added to make it all look pretty. As well as Microsoft's offering of Office Live, there is Writeboard, Writely, Zoho Writer, ThinkFree, Google Docs (and spreadsheet) and Glide Write that are all browser based word processors. (Most of their code is in JavaScript, Flash and Java.... and of course HTML/CSS/XML) IMO web based applications are the way of the future. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 6:44 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interesting Laptop / Vista commentary ...I have a sweet dell laptop that I use for practically everything now ...it came with vista and 4gb and was an horrendous pig ...formatted the disk and installed XP Pro and she is now the best system I've ever owned. ...I've tried a couple flavors of Linux and Open Office and my opinion remains that they are geek toys ...allright if you like running servers but death on the desktop ...the users drive you batty. ...the only major piece of the puzzle that is breaking through the MS juggernaut is on the web where google and firefox are eating up the MS competition ...firefox 2 is so much better than than ie7 that it pains me to do web work anymore because practically everything has to be dumbed down to ie6/7 ...how in the heck MS let Vista and ie7 out the door is a real puzzle ...both are bloated pieces of s**t imnsho. ...otoh, asp.net, framework 3.5, SQL Server Express and vs2008 Express Editions are pure joy-joy to work with and you just can't beat the price ...I have the full vs'8 setting in a box and have not found a reason yet to go through the pain of installing it ...with the add-in hacks to vs'8 express, I just may not ever open the box. ...I'm still doing a lot of Access maintenance work but all my new program development is asp.net/ss unless a client demands otherwise ...and why in the heck would they? William ----- Original Message ----- From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 3:10 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interesting Laptop / Vista commentary >I have a top end Dell for development. I chose to order it with XP. I >have > Vista from the action pack but have never installed it. I probably will > someday in a virtual machine. In the meantime I have never even seen it > to > my knowledge, not that I get out much. But maybe it really is just an > urban > legend? > > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Bozarth > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 9:41 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interesting Laptop / Vista commentary > > Right now, the good folk at M$ are competing with themselves. They want > to > do away with XP, but due to the poor quality of Vista, vendors have had to > offer XP as an option. There are many folks who want nothing to do with > Vista at this point... myself among them. > > M$ has the nasty habit of releasing software long before it's ready for > prime time... and let the unfortunate users be their Beta testers. > > If they don't get their act together one of these days they will begin > (and > that's generous) to loose business to other platforms. Biggest hurdle is > the enormous embedded base of M$ products. > > Don B. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 5:14 PM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Interesting Laptop / Vista commentary > > >> Yes John: That article is sad but the true... My current lap top, that >> does >> have 2GB of RAM on it is my only Desktop (top of the line Toshiba as of >> last >> spring) that could run Vista and the graphics is still second tier. >> >> During the last 6 months I have been installing OSs on a variety of >> systems, >> for a variety of continental wide chains and banking groups. Without >> exception they are all using Windows2000 and sometimes Linux. The >> company's >> senior IT people do not even trust XP and merely laugh when Vista is >> brought >> up and suggest it is no more than a pretty but unstable desk-top toy. >> >> I hope MS gets their business together before they find themselves >> competing >> one on one with various flavours of Linux. I use to be able to make a >> fair >> bit selling MS network installs but no more. >> >> Jim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 9:35 AM >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >> Subject: [AccessD] Interesting Laptop / Vista commentary >> >> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2222303,00.asp?kc=EWKNLBOE120107STR1 >> >> John W. 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