[AccessD] OT: But only Partly

Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com
Wed Mar 21 10:44:10 CDT 2007


Oops, they were actually 2311's. Only 7.25 MB each drive.  Found a picture

http://www.columbia.edu/acis/history/2311.html

GK

On 3/21/07, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:
> Close John. These were IBM 2314's 29Mb per drive.11 platters, 20
> heads. We had four drives but all of our stuff was set up to use only
> 3 because one was often broken ;-)  They had a plug thing in the front
> as I recall that you could change which was which by changing the plug
> from one to another. One drive was for the Operating system and our
> programs, the other two had the data files and workspaces for sorting
> etc.
>
> Wikipedia has a nice description of them here
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_IBM_disk_storage#IBM_2314
>
> We got to know our Field Engineers very well. They were there every
> week to do preventive maintenance and there were many weeks when they
> were there almost every day for something or another. I remember one
> time when we had been down for a while and there were about 4 FE's
> there working on the drives, our company president came in and was
> trying to pressure them to get it fixed faster and asked "so how long
> is it going to be down?" and the senior FE replied that "if we knew
> what was the matter it would already be fixed" The president went off
> in a huff and they had it fixed an hour or so later and we were off
> and running. Everybody in the room was happy to see the president
> storm off in a rage as we all thought him a blow-hard.   Ah, the good
> old days. ;-)
>
> GK
>
> On 3/21/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > >In those days, disks on mainframes were removable from the drives
> > themselves which were about the size of a washing machine. The disk packs
> > were about the diameter of a LP record and the ones we used were about 8
> > inches tall.
> >
> > Must have been one of the old IBM hard disk cabinets.  It had drawers that
> > you could pull out and then unlock and remove the disk packs.  Those were 80
> > mb packs if memory serves me.  Something like 8 platters, heads on each
> > side, hydraulically actuated heads.
> >
> > In 1972/73 I was trained by the USN to fix that disk drive system.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > Colby Consulting
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:37 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: But only Partly
> >
> > Ouch. We used to do Disaster Recovery Firedrills back in my early mainframe
> > days when I was a computer operator. We had an arrangement with another
> > local company that had a similar hardware configuration to ours that we were
> > backup sites for each other. In those days, disks on mainframes were
> > removable from the drives themselves which were about the size of a washing
> > machine. The disk packs were about the diameter of a LP record and the ones
> > we used were about 8 inches tall.
> > We would take our disks or maybe it was just backup tapes over to this other
> > company and they would let us use their system over night and we would
> > attempt to run our orders and print the picking documents. Since the
> > hardware configuration was slightly different we had different execution job
> > control that referenced the hardware they had there. I was mostly just along
> > to carry stuff in the early days but later on I was called on to run the
> > stuff too. When fixed hard drives and online terminals came along in about
> > 1980 that ceased to be an option anymore as we would have had to actually
> > overwrite their files on the disk or they would have needed enough empty
> > space for us to load our stuff on and as disk was failrly expensive in those
> > days that wasn't a viable option. So instead we concentrated on getting
> > better covereage from our hardware maintenance group. And we used our backup
> > tapes pretty often when stuff got corrupted and had daily, weekly and
> > monthly full backups for an entire year of generations, so we were really
> > quite secure and fully tested backup wise. Noplace I have worked since has
> > had anywhere near that level of backup. But hardware failed a lot more then
> > than it does now too, so we get lulled into a sense of security that drives
> > don't fail. But in this case it wasn't even a drive failure that caused it,
> > it was a human mistake.
> >
> > We had an occurance of the "can't read the backups" here a while back.
> > It was a very bad thing. There had been a change to the backup software
> > itself and maybe the hardware too. I don't remember exactly what the end
> > result was as far as data loss - don't think we lost anything - but we were
> > down for an entire day - no sales entered.
> > Order takers had to write orders down on paper to be entered later. I think
> > our website still took orders as it's seperate but there were no
> > confirmations etc. It wasn't a total loss as some of that business came to
> > us in the following days, but some of those orders went to other sellers
> > instead of us and perhaps some of those customers went away disgruntled too.
> >
> > GK
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