[AccessD] OT: But only Partly

JWColby jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
Wed Mar 21 10:57:50 CDT 2007


Definitely not the ones.  These had 3 drives in drawers, the cabinet was
head high and about as long as a couch.  All to contain (3) 80 megabyte
drives. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 11:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: But only Partly

Oops, they were actually 2311's. Only 7.25 MB each drive.  Found a picture

http://www.columbia.edu/acis/history/2311.html

GK

On 3/21/07, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:
> Close John. These were IBM 2314's 29Mb per drive.11 platters, 20 
> heads. We had four drives but all of our stuff was set up to use only
> 3 because one was often broken ;-)  They had a plug thing in the front 
> as I recall that you could change which was which by changing the plug 
> from one to another. One drive was for the Operating system and our 
> programs, the other two had the data files and workspaces for sorting 
> etc.
>
> Wikipedia has a nice description of them here
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_IBM_disk_storage#IBM_2314
>
> We got to know our Field Engineers very well. They were there every 
> week to do preventive maintenance and there were many weeks when they 
> were there almost every day for something or another. I remember one 
> time when we had been down for a while and there were about 4 FE's 
> there working on the drives, our company president came in and was 
> trying to pressure them to get it fixed faster and asked "so how long 
> is it going to be down?" and the senior FE replied that "if we knew 
> what was the matter it would already be fixed" The president went off 
> in a huff and they had it fixed an hour or so later and we were off 
> and running. Everybody in the room was happy to see the president
> storm off in a rage as we all thought him a blow-hard.   Ah, the good
> old days. ;-)
>
> GK
>
> On 3/21/07, JWColby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> > >In those days, disks on mainframes were removable from the drives
> > themselves which were about the size of a washing machine. The disk 
> > packs were about the diameter of a LP record and the ones we used 
> > were about 8 inches tall.
> >
> > Must have been one of the old IBM hard disk cabinets.  It had 
> > drawers that you could pull out and then unlock and remove the disk 
> > packs.  Those were 80 mb packs if memory serves me.  Something like 
> > 8 platters, heads on each side, hydraulically actuated heads.
> >
> > In 1972/73 I was trained by the USN to fix that disk drive system.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > Colby Consulting
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:37 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: But only Partly
> >
> > Ouch. We used to do Disaster Recovery Firedrills back in my early 
> > mainframe days when I was a computer operator. We had an arrangement 
> > with another local company that had a similar hardware configuration 
> > to ours that we were backup sites for each other. In those days, 
> > disks on mainframes were removable from the drives themselves which 
> > were about the size of a washing machine. The disk packs were about 
> > the diameter of a LP record and the ones we used were about 8 inches
tall.
> > We would take our disks or maybe it was just backup tapes over to 
> > this other company and they would let us use their system over night 
> > and we would attempt to run our orders and print the picking 
> > documents. Since the hardware configuration was slightly different 
> > we had different execution job control that referenced the hardware 
> > they had there. I was mostly just along to carry stuff in the early 
> > days but later on I was called on to run the stuff too. When fixed 
> > hard drives and online terminals came along in about 1980 that 
> > ceased to be an option anymore as we would have had to actually 
> > overwrite their files on the disk or they would have needed enough 
> > empty space for us to load our stuff on and as disk was failrly 
> > expensive in those days that wasn't a viable option. So instead we 
> > concentrated on getting better covereage from our hardware 
> > maintenance group. And we used our backup tapes pretty often when 
> > stuff got corrupted and had daily, weekly and monthly full backups 
> > for an entire year of generations, so we were really quite secure 
> > and fully tested backup wise. Noplace I have worked since has had 
> > anywhere near that level of backup. But hardware failed a lot more 
> > then than it does now too, so we get lulled into a sense of security
that drives don't fail. But in this case it wasn't even a drive failure that
caused it, it was a human mistake.
> >
> > We had an occurance of the "can't read the backups" here a while back.
> > It was a very bad thing. There had been a change to the backup 
> > software itself and maybe the hardware too. I don't remember exactly 
> > what the end result was as far as data loss - don't think we lost 
> > anything - but we were down for an entire day - no sales entered.
> > Order takers had to write orders down on paper to be entered later. 
> > I think our website still took orders as it's seperate but there 
> > were no confirmations etc. It wasn't a total loss as some of that 
> > business came to us in the following days, but some of those orders 
> > went to other sellers instead of us and perhaps some of those customers
went away disgruntled too.
> >
> > GK
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