MartyConnelly
martyconnelly at shaw.ca
Thu May 31 19:58:29 CDT 2007
Since all the ribbon code or placement is stored as xml I just wonder if this was done to enable accdb xml templates It would also make it compatible with similar xml storage methods for Word and Excel 2007. There are $30 addins vailable that allow you to revert back to Access 2003 or any Office 2003 product menu styles. But that doesn't help in coding ribbons. William Hindman wrote: >...I am not at all "hasty" Arthur ...I too spent way too much time looking >for the basics before it dawned on me that the ribbon "designers" were more >interested in being "cool" than in being productive ...exit Access12 stage >left ...right along with bloody Vista. > >...afaic, Access12 is just continuing evidence that MS is congenitally >incapable of producing sequential versions of Access that real developers >actually adapt enmasse ...count me as patiently awaiting Access14, eh :) > >William Hindman > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com> >To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" ><accessd at databaseadvisors.com> >Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 7:09 PM >Subject: Re: [AccessD] VBA abandoned in Office 2008 for Mac > > > > >>I am not quite so hasty as you, William. I just wish that I could find the >>commands that I regularly use. I am most willing to accept that newbies >>think the ribbon is cool, but I just want to issue the familiar keystrokes >>and get where I want to go. >>I can't believe that I wasted an hour trying to deduce how to insert a row >>into a table. Who in the world woulda thunk that command would reside on >>the >>Format menu? What the hell does that have to do with format? >> >>I'm out of here soon, except for hobbyist reasons. I shall probably hang >>around for a few years, for hobbyist reasons. But I'm too old for this >>s**t >>anymore. >> >>A. >> >> >>On 5/31/07, William Hindman <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote: >> >> >>>...lol ...the "ribbon" is just plain dumb ...period. :) >>>William Hindman >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> >>>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" >>><accessd at databaseadvisors.com> >>>Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:10 AM >>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] VBA abandoned in Office 2008 for Mac >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hmmn ... And the ribbon is a move to make Office "more" user friendly >>>>and Mac-like. Sounds like an implication to me .... ;-> >>>> >>>>Charlotte Foust >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William >>>>Hindman >>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 2:51 PM >>>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] VBA abandoned in Office 2008 for Mac >>>> >>>>...Mac/Office VBA is only a shadow of Win/Office VBA ...think scripting >>>>macros, not a development language supporting extensive database >>>>development ...so the opt-out in favor of Apple Script is really a move >>>>on their part to make MS Office/Mac "more" Mac friendly ...and has zero >>>>implications for the future of VBA on its own platform ...imnsho, of >>>>course. >>>> >>>>William Hindman >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "John Skolits" <askolits at ot.com> >>>>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" >>>><accessd at databaseadvisors.com> >>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 5:20 PM >>>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] VBA abandoned in Office 2008 for Mac >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>"What you guys think is the number of years that it will take for the >>>>>number of those actually using VBA to drop below 50% of the >>>>>present count?" >>>>> >>>>>Based on the many legacy systems I see that still rely on the Dos >>>>>operating >>>>>systems, it will be a long time. Below 50%? 4-5 years. >>>>> >>>>>But, it all scares me a bit since Access as a front end and also VBA >>>>> >>>>> >>>>are >>>> >>>> >>>>>my >>>>>primary tools of development. Time to start changing careers? >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MF >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:05 PM >>>>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>>>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] VBA abandoned in Office 2008 for Mac >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>MF >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>______________________________ >>>>>At 04:38 PM 30/05/2007, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Boy will there be a BUNCH of companies not upgrading beyond that! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>How >>>> >>>> >>>>>many >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>apps are out there coded in vba? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>John W. Colby >>>>>>Colby Consulting >>>>>>www.ColbyConsulting.com >>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ismert >>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 3:16 PM >>>>>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>>Subject: [AccessD] VBA abandoned in Office 2008 for Mac >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>The first shoe has dropped: Microsoft has abandoned VBA in its latest >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Office >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>suite for the Macintosh: >>>>>> >>>>>>Mac Users Face Hurdles with New Office Versions >>>>>>http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2138349,00.asp?kc=EWKNLINF053007S >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>TR4 >>>> >>>> >>>>>>Although there is a converter tool for older Office documents, with >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>promises >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>for VBA support in the future, Mac developers are encouraged to use >>>>>>Applescript instead. >>>>>> >>>>>>Access developers have to at least consider the possibility that >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>Office >>>> >>>> >>>>>>2007 will be the last version of Office that will natively run VBA. >>>>>> >>>>>>-Ken >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>AccessD mailing list >>>>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>>>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>AccessD mailing list >>>>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>>>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>AccessD mailing list >>>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>>-- >>>>AccessD mailing list >>>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>-- >>>AccessD mailing list >>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>AccessD mailing list >>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> > > > > > -- Marty Connelly Victoria, B.C. 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