Shamil Salakhetdinov
shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru
Fri Apr 25 09:12:51 CDT 2008
Jim, Let me tell briefly about my experience with my transition from VB6/VBA -> VB.NET -> C#: when one comes from VB6/VBA to .NET then they feel rather comfortable with VB.NET from the very beginning, and usually not so comfortable (sometimes quite stressful) with C# - at least that was in my case despite the fact that in the past (before VB6/VBA programming for almost ten years) I did program quite a few on C and C++... But be strong and find time to get feeling easy when programming in C#, and you'll be rewarded manifold, I mean that :) -- Shamil -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hewson, Jim Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 5:18 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Access 2007 (and other rants) William, Why did you move to C# instead of staying with VB? I've attempted to "read" C# code and it really doesn't make sense to me. It could be that I'm not accustomed to it. Jim jhewson at nciinc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 8:08 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Access 2007 (and other rants) ...I tried both Iron Speed and CCS as code generators and wound up throwing them out in favor of coding it myself ...just too many compromises and restrictions for me ...I wasn't willing to settle for what they put out and thus spent as much or more time customizing their code than if I'd just done it myself ...the real productivity tool for me was finding some really good net resources and then building my own code library ...once that was in place, I could really start using the huge variety of tools in the .net framework where a simple one liner can bring a lot more results than you could ever dream of in Access. ...I will make one comment though ...I knew AccessD was invaluable to me in learning and working with Access ...but it wasn't until I got into asp.net and c# and found no similar resource community that I realized just how valuable it truly was and remains even now ...don't know why that is but I've looked all over the net for more than a year now and just not found the equivalent ...not even close. William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:30 AM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Access 2007 (and other rants) > Hi Doug, > > It's nearly as RAD as using MS Access - sometimes (much) quicker sometimes > slower, but if one starts from zero level coming from VBA world then > rather > long learning curve should be taken into account... > > Using native ASP.NET controls in web apps development didn't create any > problems here with users working in IE7 (and IE6), FF, even Safari... > > To make simple ASP.NET application with just several (or even many) data > entry/edit/retrieval forms is relatively easy task but making the same > application ready to go scaled to enterprise level is a very different > task, > which will take much more efforts, still with good experience in ASP.NET > even enterprise level development could be as RAD as usual MS Access > development... > > Consider using one or another third-party (or hand-made) code generators > and > ORM frameworks: the LINQ for SQL, which MS targets to this ORM role > haven't > yet got proven to be the best ORM framework/tool (but I must say I could > have missed latest news/articles/books on this 'LINQ for SQL as ORM > framework' subject)... > > -- > Shamil > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 6:02 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Access 2007 (and other rants) > > Does anyone have a rough idea of how long it takes to code a Web app > versus > a comparable Access database? > > Doug Steele > > On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > ...otoh, I can't say enough good things about Visual Studio 8 and .net >> > ...MS >> > hit a home run there imnsho ...I'm moving clients into browser based > apps >> > as >> > fast as I can write the code. >> >> =========The link I posted yesterday is about that very subject, only >> specific to Access database applications. >> >> Susan H. >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ############################################################################ #### This email transmission contains information from NCI Information Systems, Inc. that may be considered privileged or confidential and is intended solely for the named recipient. 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