Jim Lawrence
accessd at shaw.ca
Wed Mar 12 17:59:06 CDT 2008
Hi Roz:
I will confirm with you Roz on Bank speed. It is something you can not
perceive with the naked eye. I work as a small subcontractor for a number of
Banks and even though the servers may be the state-of-the-art, the server
software is many years out of date. They all use Windows2000 OS, after NT
was reluctantly abandoned but my understanding is that they have started on
researching 2003 and it will take a couple of years before it is tentatively
implemented.
Jim
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rosalyn.clarke at barclays.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 7:39 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Msadodc.ocx - or not
Jim - at risk of vexing the list by wandering off topic - !
They have a fantastically complicated IT support arrangement. In fact
arrangement is too gracious a word. Because the bank is so big, and has so
many sites and so many legacy systems, finding out who supports something
can
be fraught. There are local support people, central support people (two
entire sets), outsourced onshore support for specific systems or projects,
offshore support for others. I'm learning not to think of this as a company,
but as about 25 companies wrestling a big sack. The project I'm working on
is
staffed by a mixture of contractors and permanents. Some are small
independents (like me) some are the big guns (Accenture) and some come
bundled with a particular software package or whatever. Everyone wants their
butt covered!
It's fun.
Roz
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: 12 March 2008 14:17
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Msadodc.ocx - or not
Roz,
I'm curious; do they outsource their IT support? What I've found is that
if so, things move at a glacial pace.
Outsourcing companies want a change notice on *everything*, then full
testing, etc because they want to cover their butt contract wise (which
includes penalty clauses for non-performance).
When I deal with a client that has outsourced, it takes a minimum of a
week
to get anything done unless it's a crises and they are seen as bailing you
out.
Jim.
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 6:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Msadodc.ocx - or not
It's the procedure - you have to put in a request, they schedule the work,
they do the work, it gets scheduled into their testing programme - Lord
knows
why it's so expensive, except that the company is a monolith and it does.
not. move. easily. But this is a project that affects 20,000 users so I
suppose some bureacracy is inevitable.
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From: Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca>
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Sent: Tuesday, 11 March, 2008 10:12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Msadodc.ocx - or not
Hi Roz:
How anyone would dare charge £8000 for 10 minutes work is beyond
comprehension. At £48000 (or 65,000.00 US) per hour, the system guys
probably
makes more than you or I. ;-)
If the application connects with an Oracle DB, Access must have direct
ADO-OLE connections or no one will want to use it.... trust me an ODBC link
doesn't cut it.
Jim
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rosalyn.clarke at barclays.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 3:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Msadodc.ocx - or not
Thanks Jim, that's really useful.
For some reason, though other ADO tools are available and other .ocx files
are available, this one is not installed. I have raised a request to have it
added, but have been told that adding anything to the new environment takes
8-12 weeks and costs £8000. I am a small cog in a very big machine. :(
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: 11 March 2008 02:40
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Msadodc.ocx - or not
Hi Roz:
I have used these controls ADO-OLE for years (since 1997) but generally with
MS SQL databases. There is no advantage to using these with MDB as they are
not as optimized.
These controls should work in any Windows environment. They install by
default and are stored within your Program Files directory > common files >
System > ADO. I found these controls great as no matter where a remote
system
was setup the applications would always work without any further management.
That is why I find it hard to believe they do not work in your current
environment.
Another good reason to use them other than they are so standardized
virtually
the same code will work with any Oracle, MS SQL and MDB database... or any
DB
for that matter
There is also a whole group of great ADO functionality available like
steaming controls for images, video and large files and data shaping
capabilities (pseudo cubes and data arrays) that are very fast.
I would recommend you get this common directory block installed on your new
system and get the latest MSADOxxx files registered. It would be far better
than having to redo all the code and still not have a superior product.
HTH
Jim
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
rosalyn.clarke at barclays.com
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 10:30 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Msadodc.ocx - or not
Hi all
I have a bunch of Access databases I need to migrate from a local
environment
at one of my client's offices to their new standardised citrix environment.
The developers have made liberal use of msadodc.ocx controls, but this
control is not included in the new environment.
I've never used an active x data control so I'm not sure what I'm losing by
ditching these. Is there a performance benefit to using the data control?
Sample of how it's used below (long - please snip if responding!!)
TIA
Roz
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