Jim Dettman
jimdettman at verizon.net
Wed Aug 26 08:39:52 CDT 2009
Susan, I don't agree. How many of us on this very list have identified HD's, NIC cards, checked for registry entries, existence of files, etc. all in an effort to protect our software? And the search you state is limited to verifying that indeed the copy of Windows/Office is legitimate. It's not like they are going through every Excel spreadsheet on my system to verify that it was created with a valid copy of Office. <<Jim, what you're saying is -- that if I want to run a Windows os, I have to let MS search my system? And, I should be happy to let them do so?>> Yes, exactly that. If you don't want to use their software under their terms, which as developers we all do with our own software, then use another OS and be subject to someone else's terms or write your own. Of course given the substantial amount of work required for the latter, you might want to use some form of copy protection... Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:23 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft. Jim, what you're saying is -- that if I want to run a Windows os, I have to let MS search my system? And, I should be happy to let them do so? It's intrusive beyond what's necessary. It goes beyond protecting their rights. I've registered my software as required. That needs to be it. Susan H. > Paul, > > I've never had a problem with it either on any machine I've worked on. > And I think your thinking on this is incorrect. Just because Microsoft is > "the biggest, wealthiest company in the IT world" doesn't mean it doesn't > have rights. > > WGA would not exist if not for pirated copies of their software; how > often on this list have we discussed means of protecting our own software? > Would you deny them the same right? > > And sorry, but they don't just "stroll in"; you either purchased a PC > with Windows (their software) and accepted the EULA or you went out and > bought it. Detectives and the tax man don't own anything on your PC. > Microsoft does. So the comparison you gave is comparing apples and > oranges. > > If your really that unhappy with a software company protecting its > rights, > then go and use another OS on *your* PC, which BTW is the only thing that > you truly own. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:09 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft. > > The point is, Charlotte, that Microsoft circulate snoop software that gets > onto your computer without your authority, and without asking you. If you > don't install WGA, it just keeps appearing every time you start (or > restart). It's somewhere among the startup programs, but you won't find > it. > > Of course, that's nothing compared to what happens if you do accidentally > install it. So many forums talk of the absolute nuisance it becomes > through > alleging legitimately bought software is pirated. It harasses the owner > every time it starts, apparently. > > The conservatives among us will say, 'Well, if you have pirated software > on > your machine, you have only yourself to blame.' > > But detectives don't suddenly walk into your home on the off chance that > you > might have something you shouldn't have. The taxman doesn't just stroll in > and look through your computer. > > There MIGHT be some empathy if it was being done by a company that was > against the wall through so much of its software being pirated. But this > is > the biggest, wealthiest company in the IT world, owned by the richest man > in > the world, acting as no other organisation and no democratic country can. > And, Charlotte, we made them wealthy, and him the wealthiest. Yet we, the > computer user, is treated appallingly and undemocratically by them. > > So my point is that before we start loving Microsoft, they should deserve > to > be loved. In my book, WGA is proof that they don't deserve it and nor do > they deserve our support. > Cheers > paul > > 2009/8/25 Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> > >> Sounds a lot like Windows! LOL >> And your point is? >> >> Charlotte Foust >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers >> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:06 AM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft. >> >> Interesting that the pro-microsofties haven't mentioned the >> euphemistically-named Windows Genuine Advantage which arrives on >> machines unannounced, unwelcome, and is just about impossible to get >> rid of. >> Cheers >> paul >> >> 2009/8/24 Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> >> >> > Are you volunteering again, JC? >> > >> > Charlotte >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >> > Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:42 AM >> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft. >> > >> > But who will we hate instead? >> > >> > John W. 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