William Hindman
wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com
Thu Mar 19 16:51:20 CDT 2009
...the ribbon is driven by the other Office apps ...we are doomed to see it again in Access 14 ...I'm just hoping that the wholesale rejection of A2k7 by the Access developer community has woke a few people up in that supposedly larger Access team at MS ...they MUST provide a developer alternative to the ribbon environment or see it die as a development tool as people like me move to VS and dot.net :( ...as for the FMS article, they are wed to MS and not about to sing another tune ...besides which, if developers are not buying into A2k7, they're not buying FMS' new products for it ...so I'm not buying this sales pitch from them at all ...and I am an FMS customer, I use and promote their tools to others ...just not the new ones for A2k7 :( William -------------------------------------------------- From: "David McAfee" <davidmcafee at gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:18 PM To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [AccessD] FMS Article on the new features in Access 2007 > I'll Just wait for the next version. > > It used to be every other version of Access was not that great. I > think something got out of Sync. > > 1 -Never used it > 2 - Good > 95 - Bleh, hurl, <dry heave noise> > 97 - My favorite > 2000 - I liked it, but I think it wasnt well liked > 2002 (Office XP) I never really used it > 2003 - Like it > 2007 - more dry heaving noises > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> > wrote: >> With the single exception of the Datasheet Totals, there is nothing >> fundamental,y improved for me as a developer. The quote "..get used to >> it.." made me spit. I can get used to anything, but why have all these >> new >> ways of doing what is essentially the same. Lots of "stuff" is worse - >> David points them out below. >> For me, I abhor the 2007. No "fundamental" improvements - with this >> "update", beauty is not even skin deep. >> >> Max >> >> >> On 3/19/09, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I agree with him on these A2007 problems: >>> >>> Not being able to see a list of object sorted by modified date the way >>> you'd expect in Windows Explorer. >>> >>> Losing Alt+D as a way to put the current object in design mode >>> >>> Losing the toolbar item to automatically jump to a form or report's >>> module >>> code >>> >>> Missing right mouse click items like import/export >>> >>> As for the Ribbon, I don't like the "Once you get used to it, its not >>> that bad" that I hear quite often. >>> I don't feel so many command/tol bar buttons need to be seen. As a >>> programer, I feel I need to know what the user needs to have available >>> to them, >>> If they do need something that can navigate view the menus (oops, they >>> removed them!). >>> >>> "Overcoming Resistance to Change >>> >>> For years, the Access community complained that Microsoft was >>> abandoning Access, that they didn't invest enough in it, that the Jet >>> Engine and DAO was dead, etc. Well, the Microsoft Access development >>> team for Access 2007 was the largest ever and Microsoft made a huge >>> investment that added considerable new features to Access." >>> >>> I never really requested change. I hoped that they wouldn't abandon >>> Access, like was always rumored. >>> >>> There are a few new cool features, but they never fixed some old bugs >>> that still go back to early versions of Access. >>> >>> They still haven't made a list box with .fontcolor or >>> .selectedrowBackColor property. >>> >>> The datasheet totals are cool, but I should provide that for my users >>> in their form. Remember, users shouldnt be accessing the >>> tables/queries directly. >>> >>> "In Access 2007, a different approach is necessary for finding your >>> object. Rather than visually finding it, enter some letters of the >>> object name in the Search Bar, and the list of objects gets filtered >>> to just those names. This makes it very easy to find objects by name >>> -- especially text within an object name -- that wasn't possible >>> before. Once you are used to this, it's very difficult to go back." >>> >>> Nah, give me my detail view. The ability to sort by Name and or date >>> is more important to me. My naming conventions is another way for me >>> to quickly find what I need. >>> >>> The Date picker is nice, but is there a way to turn it off? THey may >>> be times where you don't want it to be displayed, or use your own >>> instead. >>> >>> Just my worthless 2 cents, >>> David >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 1:04 PM, <rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > I just thought I'd throw this out there and see everyone thinks. >>> > >>> > http://www.fmsinc.com/MicrosoftAccess/2007/Top-Features.html >>> > <http://www.fmsinc.com/MicrosoftAccess/2007/Top-Features.html> >>> > >>> > It does sound like there are some nice new features. Whether they >>> outweigh >>> > the drawbacks... >>> > >>> > >>> > Rusty Hammond >>> > >>> > >>> > ********************************************************************** >>> > WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, >>> > scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, >>> > Inc. >>> > corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or >>> > review >>> > by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. >>> > ********************************************************************** >>> > -- >>> > AccessD mailing list >>> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >