William Hindman
wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com
Thu Mar 19 17:20:51 CDT 2009
...amazing it is just how different our customer environments are ...in my world a client dba is someone I trust to reboot the server ...their "IT Department" is me. ...I prefer my world :) William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:13 PM To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [AccessD] FMS Article on the new features in Access 2007 > That's about the most senseless thing I've ever heard! Most IT > departments we deal with don't want to come within a mile of an Access app > and actively try to prevent their occurrence. > > Your customers wnt development without programming?? Are they looking for > spreadsheets? > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hewson, Jim > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:55 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] FMS Article on the new features in Access 2007 > > What I am finding that some of our customers do not want any .net > development or any other development that involves any type of programming > language. Some of their IT departments considered it a new developed > software and it could take several months or longer to get approval to > begin the project and/or deploy it. If the development is done in Access > using the tools that came with Access then the IT department considers it > COTS and no approval is necessary. > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:43 PM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] FMS Article on the new features in Access 2007 > > I would expand that to the office suite, not just Access. Is it possible > Access was never intended to be the development tool it became, but just a > power user application. Now they are trying to reel it back in and move > us to .net? > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:19 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] FMS Article on the new features in Access 2007 > > I'll Just wait for the next version. > > It used to be every other version of Access was not that great. I think > something got out of Sync. > > 1 -Never used it > 2 - Good > 95 - Bleh, hurl, <dry heave noise> > 97 - My favorite > 2000 - I liked it, but I think it wasnt well liked > 2002 (Office XP) I never really used it > 2003 - Like it > 2007 - more dry heaving noises > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> > wrote: >> With the single exception of the Datasheet Totals, there is nothing >> fundamental,y improved for me as a developer. The quote "..get used >> to it.." made me spit. I can get used to anything, but why have all >> these new ways of doing what is essentially the same. Lots of "stuff" >> is worse - David points them out below. >> For me, I abhor the 2007. No "fundamental" improvements - with this >> "update", beauty is not even skin deep. >> >> Max >> >> >> On 3/19/09, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I agree with him on these A2007 problems: >>> >>> Not being able to see a list of object sorted by modified date the >>> way you'd expect in Windows Explorer. >>> >>> Losing Alt+D as a way to put the current object in design mode >>> >>> Losing the toolbar item to automatically jump to a form or report's >>> module code >>> >>> Missing right mouse click items like import/export >>> >>> As for the Ribbon, I don't like the "Once you get used to it, its not >>> that bad" that I hear quite often. >>> I don't feel so many command/tol bar buttons need to be seen. As a >>> programer, I feel I need to know what the user needs to have >>> available to them, If they do need something that can navigate view >>> the menus (oops, they removed them!). >>> >>> "Overcoming Resistance to Change >>> >>> For years, the Access community complained that Microsoft was >>> abandoning Access, that they didn't invest enough in it, that the Jet >>> Engine and DAO was dead, etc. Well, the Microsoft Access development >>> team for Access 2007 was the largest ever and Microsoft made a huge >>> investment that added considerable new features to Access." >>> >>> I never really requested change. I hoped that they wouldn't abandon >>> Access, like was always rumored. >>> >>> There are a few new cool features, but they never fixed some old bugs >>> that still go back to early versions of Access. >>> >>> They still haven't made a list box with .fontcolor or >>> .selectedrowBackColor property. >>> >>> The datasheet totals are cool, but I should provide that for my users >>> in their form. Remember, users shouldnt be accessing the >>> tables/queries directly. >>> >>> "In Access 2007, a different approach is necessary for finding your >>> object. Rather than visually finding it, enter some letters of the >>> object name in the Search Bar, and the list of objects gets filtered >>> to just those names. This makes it very easy to find objects by name >>> -- especially text within an object name -- that wasn't possible >>> before. Once you are used to this, it's very difficult to go back." >>> >>> Nah, give me my detail view. The ability to sort by Name and or date >>> is more important to me. My naming conventions is another way for me >>> to quickly find what I need. >>> >>> The Date picker is nice, but is there a way to turn it off? THey may >>> be times where you don't want it to be displayed, or use your own >>> instead. >>> >>> Just my worthless 2 cents, >>> David >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 1:04 PM, <rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > I just thought I'd throw this out there and see everyone thinks. >>> > >>> > http://www.fmsinc.com/MicrosoftAccess/2007/Top-Features.html >>> > <http://www.fmsinc.com/MicrosoftAccess/2007/Top-Features.html> >>> > >>> > It does sound like there are some nice new features. 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