Charlotte Foust
cfoust at infostatsystems.com
Fri Mar 20 10:33:03 CDT 2009
Yes that explains it nicely. They are, in fact, looking for a tool, not an application. Our products actually go through similar rounds of testing with some of our clients before they deploy even an upgrade, so that part I can understand. Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hewson, Jim Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 6:13 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FMS Article on the new features in Access 2007 Let me explain, hopefully, a little better. I work for a company that most of the work is for the federal government. Most of the work that I do is for the military. One request for proposal (RFP) stipulated that Access 2007 with SQL Server 2005 would be used. The rationale is that the military and as far as I can ascertain most government agencies have strict rules on what can be placed on the LAN and what can be used over a WAN. Any "software" developed using tools such as VS2005 must meet a rigorous certification process. Sometimes this process can take several months. One example is a "software" product was developed for a base in Utah, the same product was going to be installed in Florida. The base in Florida must go through the certification process again... taking an additional six months or longer for the approval process. Office 2007 and SQL Server 2005 are classified as COTS (Commercial-Off-The-Shelf) applications. By using these two products no approval is needed. This particular contract is to develop an analysis tool to determine the probability a student will complete successfully a given academic course. This tool will be used at several "school" houses. It has been in the hands of several researchers (PhD types) for several years. It is now ready to be deployed. Is that better? Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:13 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FMS Article on the new features in Access 2007 That's about the most senseless thing I've ever heard! Most IT departments we deal with don't want to come within a mile of an Access app and actively try to prevent their occurrence. Your customers wnt development without programming?? Are they looking for spreadsheets? Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hewson, Jim Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:55 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FMS Article on the new features in Access 2007 What I am finding that some of our customers do not want any .net development or any other development that involves any type of programming language. Some of their IT departments considered it a new developed software and it could take several months or longer to get approval to begin the project and/or deploy it. If the development is done in Access using the tools that came with Access then the IT department considers it COTS and no approval is necessary. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:43 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] FMS Article on the new features in Access 2007 I would expand that to the office suite, not just Access. Is it possible Access was never intended to be the development tool it became, but just a power user application. Now they are trying to reel it back in and move us to .net? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 4:19 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] FMS Article on the new features in Access 2007 I'll Just wait for the next version. It used to be every other version of Access was not that great. I think something got out of Sync. 1 -Never used it 2 - Good 95 - Bleh, hurl, <dry heave noise> 97 - My favorite 2000 - I liked it, but I think it wasnt well liked 2002 (Office XP) I never really used it 2003 - Like it 2007 - more dry heaving noises On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote: > With the single exception of the Datasheet Totals, there is nothing > fundamental,y improved for me as a developer. The quote "..get used > to it.." made me spit. I can get used to anything, but why have all > these new ways of doing what is essentially the same. Lots of "stuff" > is worse - David points them out below. > For me, I abhor the 2007. No "fundamental" improvements - with this > "update", beauty is not even skin deep. > > Max > > > On 3/19/09, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I agree with him on these A2007 problems: >> >> Not being able to see a list of object sorted by modified date the >> way you'd expect in Windows Explorer. >> >> Losing Alt+D as a way to put the current object in design mode >> >> Losing the toolbar item to automatically jump to a form or report's >> module code >> >> Missing right mouse click items like import/export >> >> As for the Ribbon, I don't like the "Once you get used to it, its not >> that bad" that I hear quite often. >> I don't feel so many command/tol bar buttons need to be seen. As a >> programer, I feel I need to know what the user needs to have >> available to them, If they do need something that can navigate view >> the menus (oops, they removed them!). >> >> "Overcoming Resistance to Change >> >> For years, the Access community complained that Microsoft was >> abandoning Access, that they didn't invest enough in it, that the Jet >> Engine and DAO was dead, etc. Well, the Microsoft Access development >> team for Access 2007 was the largest ever and Microsoft made a huge >> investment that added considerable new features to Access." >> >> I never really requested change. I hoped that they wouldn't abandon >> Access, like was always rumored. >> >> There are a few new cool features, but they never fixed some old bugs >> that still go back to early versions of Access. >> >> They still haven't made a list box with .fontcolor or >> .selectedrowBackColor property. >> >> The datasheet totals are cool, but I should provide that for my users >> in their form. Remember, users shouldnt be accessing the >> tables/queries directly. >> >> "In Access 2007, a different approach is necessary for finding your >> object. Rather than visually finding it, enter some letters of the >> object name in the Search Bar, and the list of objects gets filtered >> to just those names. This makes it very easy to find objects by name >> -- especially text within an object name -- that wasn't possible >> before. Once you are used to this, it's very difficult to go back." >> >> Nah, give me my detail view. The ability to sort by Name and or date >> is more important to me. My naming conventions is another way for me >> to quickly find what I need. >> >> The Date picker is nice, but is there a way to turn it off? THey may >> be times where you don't want it to be displayed, or use your own >> instead. >> >> Just my worthless 2 cents, >> David >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 1:04 PM, <rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com> wrote: >> > >> > I just thought I'd throw this out there and see everyone thinks. >> > >> > http://www.fmsinc.com/MicrosoftAccess/2007/Top-Features.html >> > <http://www.fmsinc.com/MicrosoftAccess/2007/Top-Features.html> >> > >> > It does sound like there are some nice new features. Whether they >> outweigh >> > the drawbacks... >> > >> > >> > Rusty Hammond >> > >> > >> > ******************************************************************* >> > *** >> > WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, >> > scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan >> > Consultants, Inc. >> > corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or >> > review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. >> > ******************************************************************* >> > *** >> > -- >> > AccessD mailing list >> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ********************************************************************** WARNING: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received, scanned or otherwise recorded by the CPI Qualified Plan Consultants, Inc. corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. ********************************************************************** -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ################################################################################ If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender immediately and be aware that the use, copying, or dissemination of this information is prohibited. 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